Jones showed impressive arm strength on that bomb to Slayton. Hit 60 yards (20 to 20) but probably like 65 yards given the angle. I think when he can step up he has more than enough arm strength, he'll never be Mahomes, but he can be Eli with legs if he can mature mentally.
1. Allen
2. Mahomes
3. Rodgers
4. Stafford
5. Wilson
6. Herbert
7. Watson
8. Lamar
9. Kyler
10. Prescott
I think you have Herbert too low, but at least this is reasonable.
Murray has a better arm than LJax, btw.
Tannehill has a very, very good arm. Better than Presott's...
Might have Herbert too low. I like how he slings it short to medium. Need to see more of the long ball. I'm sure he's great at it. I don't think he is any better than Mahomes or Rodgers though.
I have Watson on my list. Excellent arm talent. By the way Cosell has been in love with Stafford's arm talent for years. I think he still feels Stafford has the best arm in the game, based on ability to make every throw, and every tough throw.
Daniel jones is the highest rated deep ball passer in the NFL, right now, the kid puts a 50 yard pass in a tight window consistently despite having a sub-par receiving corps. Josh allen regularly misses by 5+ yards on deep balls. It's not a long-drive tournament. Ball placement is much more important.
because NOBODY here has any idea how to rank the QB's arm strength. Also, what is arm strength? How far someone can throw the ball? Show me where all of the QBs were lined up and tested for this. Otherwise, showing an occasional youtube video of a play is laughable.
Is a pretty good indicator of “arm strength”. Looking at the names on the list, “strongest arm” lower on the list of attributes for NFL success. Strong enough is what is needed. Velocity Combine results - ( New Window )
because NOBODY here has any idea how to rank the QB's arm strength. Also, what is arm strength? How far someone can throw the ball? Show me where all of the QBs were lined up and tested for this. Otherwise, showing an occasional youtube video of a play is laughable.
Arm strength isn’t so much distance (although it’s a factor). It’s the ability to get the ball to the target with velocity and zip. To throw the ball on a rope/line basically anywhere on the field. And you know it when you see it.
Watch the 3 TDs Mahomes threw to Hill on Sunday in Tampa. Those throws are missiles. On the 20 yarder to Hill, Carlton Davis is right there with tight coverage. All over Hill. But the ball is thrown with such velocity that once Davis turns to spot the ball it’s already in Hill’s hands.
I’ve been on enough college and pro sidelines - fortune enough to have a great friend in the press - to see and actually hear it. And then you can spot it on TV.
Right now Herbert has it. Allen has it. Rodgers has it. This uncanny ability to generate unusual velocity compared to their peers.
Eye for ball velocity I admit. Being up close and personal like Bw said could be an invaluable experience in regards to spotting velocity. I simply don't have it from my view, which is why I simply don't opine on the subject.
Mahomes makes throws that just leave you dumbfounded
I don't think I've ever seen anyone be able to throw on the run in the opposite direction with the kind of zip and accuracy he does every single week, not even John Elway.
RE: Mahomes makes throws that just leave you dumbfounded
I don't think I've ever seen anyone be able to throw on the run in the opposite direction with the kind of zip and accuracy he does every single week, not even John Elway.
Yeah, he's just different. Did you see the 75 yarder to Hill on Sunday? The ball traveled 62 yards in the air and it was probably 10 feet in the air at its peak. Just a laser with a flick of the wrist. The majority of the QBs are putting enough air under that ball that is looks like they just hit a pitching wedge.
To me, Elway, Marino and Rodgers were the best throwers of a football I have seen in my lifetime. Favre in the hunt, too.
But Mahomes is doing things with arm angles, body contortions, poor mechanics, etc that I've never seen. And still making winning plays...
Josh Allen is #1 in arm strength, but not even a top ten in accuracy. Hell I'd bet he's not top twenty in accuracy without checking advanced stats metrics.
Josh Allen is #1 in arm strength, but not even a top ten in accuracy. Hell I'd bet he's not top twenty in accuracy without checking advanced stats metrics.
In regular stats, he's 7th at 68.8%. Essentially tied with Mahomes and Watson. Oh, and he's 9th in yards per attempt.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone be able to throw on the run in the opposite direction with the kind of zip and accuracy he does every single week, not even John Elway.
Yeah, he's just different. Did you see the 75 yarder to Hill on Sunday? The ball traveled 62 yards in the air and it was probably 10 feet in the air at its peak. Just a laser with a flick of the wrist. The majority of the QBs are putting enough air under that ball that is looks like they just hit a pitching wedge.
To me, Elway, Marino and Rodgers were the best throwers of a football I have seen in my lifetime. Favre in the hunt, too.
But Mahomes is doing things with arm angles, body contortions, poor mechanics, etc that I've never seen. And still making winning plays...
Mahomes is as good as those guys, all things considered. He has equal velocity to anyone and he is the best thrower of the football when on the move. His ability to quick release lasers when on the move is his super power. Others have been good or great at it - Elway/Rodgers - but in that regard Mahomes is unmatched.
Josh Allen is #1 in arm strength, but not even a top ten in accuracy. Hell I'd bet he's not top twenty in accuracy without checking advanced stats metrics.
In regular stats, he's 7th at 68.8%. Essentially tied with Mahomes and Watson. Oh, and he's 9th in yards per attempt.
Im a big Allen guy, but was assuming he’d be middle of pack here, but checking the advanced metrics for QBs, holistically he’s top 10. Guy is the truth.
Josh Allen is #1 in arm strength, but not even a top ten in accuracy. Hell I'd bet he's not top twenty in accuracy without checking advanced stats metrics.
In regular stats, he's 7th at 68.8%. Essentially tied with Mahomes and Watson. Oh, and he's 9th in yards per attempt.
Im a big Allen guy, but was assuming he’d be middle of pack here, but checking the advanced metrics for QBs, holistically he’s top 10. Guy is the truth.
You know, I still don't think he sees the game all that well yet. But he has the arm talent to fit the ball into some tight spots. And now that he has Diggs, that dividend is really paying off...
If Allen ever really "gets it" - and sees the game like a Brady, Mahomes, etc - than the sky is really the limit.
Also, I don't know the stat, but the # of attempts matters too. You take 3 deep shots a game and hit on 1, you might be rated higher than QB who takes 8 and hits on 3.
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone be able to throw on the run in the opposite direction with the kind of zip and accuracy he does every single week, not even John Elway.
Yeah, he's just different. Did you see the 75 yarder to Hill on Sunday? The ball traveled 62 yards in the air and it was probably 10 feet in the air at its peak. Just a laser with a flick of the wrist. The majority of the QBs are putting enough air under that ball that is looks like they just hit a pitching wedge.
To me, Elway, Marino and Rodgers were the best throwers of a football I have seen in my lifetime. Favre in the hunt, too.
But Mahomes is doing things with arm angles, body contortions, poor mechanics, etc that I've never seen. And still making winning plays...
Mahomes is as good as those guys, all things considered. He has equal velocity to anyone and he is the best thrower of the football when on the move. His ability to quick release lasers when on the move is his super power. Others have been good or great at it - Elway/Rodgers - but in that regard Mahomes is unmatched.
I really like Mahomes, he's unquestionably awesome. But I feel like people overhype his talent in relation to Aaron Rodgers. Do people forget the kind of crazy stuff Rodgers was doing 10 years ago? He was capable of making just as impressive throws on the run as Mahomes, his bread and butter was literally rolling out and making an insane pass towards the sideline. He's older now but still tearing the league up and making ridiculous throws. He's right there with Mahomes in the MVP race this year and right there with him as an all-time arm talent.
Elway is hard to compare since his offensive system was ancient compared to the stuff you see today. But his arm was historically good which one reason why he was the single greatest QB prospect in NFL history so I can't say that Mahomes is clearly a better arm talent.
Ben Albright's compiled data from 2008-2019 (probably has 2020 too, but I can't find it), though some of the top prospects didn't throw.
Josh Allen 61
Mahomes 60
Logan Thomas 60 (now a TE...)
Cousins 59
Mayfield 57
Wentz 57
Garoppolo 56
Newton 56 - no where close to this now
Colt McCoy 56
Wilson 55
Trubisky 55
Drew Lock 55
Daniel Jones 54
Lamar Jackson 53 Link - ( New Window )
I don't know the specifics of the stat, but it had nothing to do with a strong arm. I believe it was just that Jones has the highest passer rating on deep passes, though I don't recall the min # of passes or what quantifies as "deep".
The combine numbers are such a silly metric because they dont
specifically tell those guys to drill the ball in there. They just go out and throw. If they instructed the guys to do it, it would certainly have more meaning and this has been discussed to death here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Mahomes makes throws that just leave you dumbfounded
I really like Mahomes, he's unquestionably awesome. But I feel like people overhype his talent in relation to Aaron Rodgers. Do people forget the kind of crazy stuff Rodgers was doing 10 years ago? He was capable of making just as impressive throws on the run as Mahomes, his bread and butter was literally rolling out and making an insane pass towards the sideline. He's older now but still tearing the league up and making ridiculous throws. He's right there with Mahomes in the MVP race this year and right there with him as an all-time arm talent.
Elway is hard to compare since his offensive system was ancient compared to the stuff you see today. But his arm was historically good which one reason why he was the single greatest QB prospect in NFL history so I can't say that Mahomes is clearly a better arm talent.
All that is fair. And there is a flavor of the month feel with Mahomes. But he can sling it. He moves around like a great short stop and then unleashes these tight ropes everywhere on the field. So there is some extra style points he racks up. But the ball gets there is a hurry and it looks so effortless.
He's a true savant. And that, I believe, is what makes him so outstanding is because you can't teach it. He leaves you in awe.
It's really a gift from the football gods...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Mahomes makes throws that just leave you dumbfounded
I really like Mahomes, he's unquestionably awesome. But I feel like people overhype his talent in relation to Aaron Rodgers. Do people forget the kind of crazy stuff Rodgers was doing 10 years ago? He was capable of making just as impressive throws on the run as Mahomes, his bread and butter was literally rolling out and making an insane pass towards the sideline. He's older now but still tearing the league up and making ridiculous throws. He's right there with Mahomes in the MVP race this year and right there with him as an all-time arm talent.
Elway is hard to compare since his offensive system was ancient compared to the stuff you see today. But his arm was historically good which one reason why he was the single greatest QB prospect in NFL history so I can't say that Mahomes is clearly a better arm talent.
All that is fair. And there is a flavor of the month feel with Mahomes. But he can sling it. He moves around like a great short stop and then unleashes these tight ropes everywhere on the field. So there is some extra style points he racks up. But the ball gets there is a hurry and it looks so effortless.
He's a true savant. And that, I believe, is what makes him so outstanding is because you can't teach it. He leaves you in awe.
It's really a gift from the football gods...
Mahomes definitely seems to make off-balance throws more often than even Rodgers. He's just a very unique and fun player to watch, and is comfortable making all sorts of funky throws. Rodgers doesn't do it as often, but I've seen him throw his fair share of off balance lasers too.
I love Mahomes. I just think the media is a little quick to annoint him as "the most talented QB ever" when that was what they called Aaron Rodgers 5 years ago and Rodgers is still out there having an arguably superior season to Mahomes right now. My issue is more with the media than Mahomes himself.
I think Rodgers is the best QB of the generation after Manning and
I still think Mahomes is better than him. Just absolutely insane, but I can understand why people would take Rodgers at this point. Imagine if he had a real coach!
RE: The combine numbers are such a silly metric because they dont
specifically tell those guys to drill the ball in there. They just go out and throw. If they instructed the guys to do it, it would certainly have more meaning and this has been discussed to death here.
But at this point everyone knows that they're measuring your velocity.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Mahomes makes throws that just leave you dumbfounded
Elway is hard to compare since his offensive system was ancient compared to the stuff you see today. But his arm was historically good which one reason why he was the single greatest QB prospect in NFL history so I can't say that Mahomes is clearly a better arm talent.
Elway's arm is the best I've ever seen. He made two throws in the first half of Super Bowl XXI that defy logic. I've linked to the 2nd one, Elway rolls out to his left, sets his feet at the 26 just inside the numbers on the far side, and unleashes a throw all the way across the field to the near sideline at the 31 - technically 43 "air yards" and the ball never got higher than 20 feet off the ground.
It's so ridiculous that at first it doesn't even look impressive - then you look at the yard lines and have to watch it again. Imagine drawing that play up in a QB room with three human QBs. "Uh, coach..."
One other guy that could really fling it was Jeff George. The guy that threw an NFL ball like the original NERF Turbo. Link - ( New Window )
It's so ridiculous that at first it doesn't even look impressive - then you look at the yard lines and have to watch it again. Imagine drawing that play up in a QB room with three human QBs. "Uh, coach..."
One other guy that could really fling it was Jeff George. The guy that threw an NFL ball like the original NERF Turbo. Link - ( New Window )
Madden: How many quarterbacks do you think can do that ...
Summerall: (cutting him off) None.
is how fast and mobile he is. Yes, he can throw lasers from any angle and has an incredible arm -- but if he NEEDS to, he can operate as a scrambling QB. He's like Aaron Rodgers with crazier arm angles, while also having a bit of Lamar in him (not as much of a dazzling movemaker when he runs, but he has the speed and vision to).
That, to me, is why he's the most talented QB I've ever seen. There are zero holes in his game, and he can quickly switch the "type" of QB he is if needed.
is how fast and mobile he is. Yes, he can throw lasers from any angle and has an incredible arm -- but if he NEEDS to, he can operate as a scrambling QB. He's like Aaron Rodgers with crazier arm angles, while also having a bit of Lamar in him (not as much of a dazzling movemaker when he runs, but he has the speed and vision to).
That, to me, is why he's the most talented QB I've ever seen. There are zero holes in his game, and he can quickly switch the "type" of QB he is if needed.
Mahomes definitely has shown an ability to make clutch runs in big situations, he did it in the playoffs often last year. But I don't think he's any faster or better at running the ball than Aaron Rodgers was in his 20s/early 30s. Mahomes and Rodgers both average 17 Rushing Yards per game over their career and that's including Rodgers' last few years where he doesn't run as much. I believe Rodgers ran the faster 40yd dash at the combine as well.
Herbert's left arm is stronger than Cousins's right arm...
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Tannehill has a better arm.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Viking back-up Sean Mannion has a better arm than Cousins...
Wentz has a strong arm. Well, maybe not after he went vegan but before.
+1, even top 5
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+1, even top 5
Meant to say, definitely top 5
2. Mahomes
3. Rodgers
4. Stafford
5. Wilson
6. Herbert
7. Watson
8. Lamar
9. Kyler
10. Prescott
2. Mahomes
3. Rodgers
4. Stafford
5. Wilson
6. Herbert
7. Watson
8. Lamar
9. Kyler
10. Prescott
I think you have Herbert too low, but at least this is reasonable.
Murray has a better arm than LJax, btw.
Tannehill has a very, very good arm. Better than Presott's...
2. Allen
3. Stafford
4. Herbert
5. Rodgers
6. Wilson
7. Lock
8. Carr
9. Mayfield
10. Murray
HM: Darnold, Roethlisberger, Goff
Jones is probably not too far behind Goff
2. Allen
3. Stafford
4. Herbert
5. Rodgers
6. Wilson
7. Lock
8. Carr
9. Mayfield
10. Murray
HM: Darnold, Roethlisberger, Goff
Jones is probably not too far behind Goff
Forgot Tannehill..he and Ben are prob 11 and 12
Mayfield actually has a pretty good arm
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1. Allen
2. Mahomes
3. Rodgers
4. Stafford
5. Wilson
6. Herbert
7. Watson
8. Lamar
9. Kyler
10. Prescott
I think you have Herbert too low, but at least this is reasonable.
Murray has a better arm than LJax, btw.
Tannehill has a very, very good arm. Better than Presott's...
Might have Herbert too low. I like how he slings it short to medium. Need to see more of the long ball. I'm sure he's great at it. I don't think he is any better than Mahomes or Rodgers though.
I have Watson on my list. Excellent arm talent. By the way Cosell has been in love with Stafford's arm talent for years. I think he still feels Stafford has the best arm in the game, based on ability to make every throw, and every tough throw.
Velocity Combine results - ( New Window )
Arm strength isn’t so much distance (although it’s a factor). It’s the ability to get the ball to the target with velocity and zip. To throw the ball on a rope/line basically anywhere on the field. And you know it when you see it.
Watch the 3 TDs Mahomes threw to Hill on Sunday in Tampa. Those throws are missiles. On the 20 yarder to Hill, Carlton Davis is right there with tight coverage. All over Hill. But the ball is thrown with such velocity that once Davis turns to spot the ball it’s already in Hill’s hands.
I’ve been on enough college and pro sidelines - fortune enough to have a great friend in the press - to see and actually hear it. And then you can spot it on TV.
Right now Herbert has it. Allen has it. Rodgers has it. This uncanny ability to generate unusual velocity compared to their peers.
Yeah, he's just different. Did you see the 75 yarder to Hill on Sunday? The ball traveled 62 yards in the air and it was probably 10 feet in the air at its peak. Just a laser with a flick of the wrist. The majority of the QBs are putting enough air under that ball that is looks like they just hit a pitching wedge.
To me, Elway, Marino and Rodgers were the best throwers of a football I have seen in my lifetime. Favre in the hunt, too.
But Mahomes is doing things with arm angles, body contortions, poor mechanics, etc that I've never seen. And still making winning plays...
In regular stats, he's 7th at 68.8%. Essentially tied with Mahomes and Watson. Oh, and he's 9th in yards per attempt.
Million dollar arm, ten cent head...
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone be able to throw on the run in the opposite direction with the kind of zip and accuracy he does every single week, not even John Elway.
Yeah, he's just different. Did you see the 75 yarder to Hill on Sunday? The ball traveled 62 yards in the air and it was probably 10 feet in the air at its peak. Just a laser with a flick of the wrist. The majority of the QBs are putting enough air under that ball that is looks like they just hit a pitching wedge.
To me, Elway, Marino and Rodgers were the best throwers of a football I have seen in my lifetime. Favre in the hunt, too.
But Mahomes is doing things with arm angles, body contortions, poor mechanics, etc that I've never seen. And still making winning plays...
Mahomes is as good as those guys, all things considered. He has equal velocity to anyone and he is the best thrower of the football when on the move. His ability to quick release lasers when on the move is his super power. Others have been good or great at it - Elway/Rodgers - but in that regard Mahomes is unmatched.
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Josh Allen is #1 in arm strength, but not even a top ten in accuracy. Hell I'd bet he's not top twenty in accuracy without checking advanced stats metrics.
In regular stats, he's 7th at 68.8%. Essentially tied with Mahomes and Watson. Oh, and he's 9th in yards per attempt.
Im a big Allen guy, but was assuming he’d be middle of pack here, but checking the advanced metrics for QBs, holistically he’s top 10. Guy is the truth.
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Josh Allen is #1 in arm strength, but not even a top ten in accuracy. Hell I'd bet he's not top twenty in accuracy without checking advanced stats metrics.
In regular stats, he's 7th at 68.8%. Essentially tied with Mahomes and Watson. Oh, and he's 9th in yards per attempt.
Im a big Allen guy, but was assuming he’d be middle of pack here, but checking the advanced metrics for QBs, holistically he’s top 10. Guy is the truth.
You know, I still don't think he sees the game all that well yet. But he has the arm talent to fit the ball into some tight spots. And now that he has Diggs, that dividend is really paying off...
If Allen ever really "gets it" - and sees the game like a Brady, Mahomes, etc - than the sky is really the limit.
Jones doesn't have top-10 arm talent. Not even close.
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Jones arced a perfectly thrown ball to Slayton that easily went 60+ yards on Sunday. Baldy also mentioned that DJ is the #1 QB ranked on deep passes
Jones doesn't have top-10 arm talent. Not even close.
LOL, okay well you tell Baldinger that he's wrong about an NFL stat he threw out there
Also, I don't know the stat, but the # of attempts matters too. You take 3 deep shots a game and hit on 1, you might be rated higher than QB who takes 8 and hits on 3.
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone be able to throw on the run in the opposite direction with the kind of zip and accuracy he does every single week, not even John Elway.
Yeah, he's just different. Did you see the 75 yarder to Hill on Sunday? The ball traveled 62 yards in the air and it was probably 10 feet in the air at its peak. Just a laser with a flick of the wrist. The majority of the QBs are putting enough air under that ball that is looks like they just hit a pitching wedge.
To me, Elway, Marino and Rodgers were the best throwers of a football I have seen in my lifetime. Favre in the hunt, too.
But Mahomes is doing things with arm angles, body contortions, poor mechanics, etc that I've never seen. And still making winning plays...
Mahomes is as good as those guys, all things considered. He has equal velocity to anyone and he is the best thrower of the football when on the move. His ability to quick release lasers when on the move is his super power. Others have been good or great at it - Elway/Rodgers - but in that regard Mahomes is unmatched.
I really like Mahomes, he's unquestionably awesome. But I feel like people overhype his talent in relation to Aaron Rodgers. Do people forget the kind of crazy stuff Rodgers was doing 10 years ago? He was capable of making just as impressive throws on the run as Mahomes, his bread and butter was literally rolling out and making an insane pass towards the sideline. He's older now but still tearing the league up and making ridiculous throws. He's right there with Mahomes in the MVP race this year and right there with him as an all-time arm talent.
Elway is hard to compare since his offensive system was ancient compared to the stuff you see today. But his arm was historically good which one reason why he was the single greatest QB prospect in NFL history so I can't say that Mahomes is clearly a better arm talent.
Josh Allen 61
Mahomes 60
Logan Thomas 60 (now a TE...)
Cousins 59
Mayfield 57
Wentz 57
Garoppolo 56
Newton 56 - no where close to this now
Colt McCoy 56
Wilson 55
Trubisky 55
Drew Lock 55
Daniel Jones 54
Lamar Jackson 53
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I really like Mahomes, he's unquestionably awesome. But I feel like people overhype his talent in relation to Aaron Rodgers. Do people forget the kind of crazy stuff Rodgers was doing 10 years ago? He was capable of making just as impressive throws on the run as Mahomes, his bread and butter was literally rolling out and making an insane pass towards the sideline. He's older now but still tearing the league up and making ridiculous throws. He's right there with Mahomes in the MVP race this year and right there with him as an all-time arm talent.
Elway is hard to compare since his offensive system was ancient compared to the stuff you see today. But his arm was historically good which one reason why he was the single greatest QB prospect in NFL history so I can't say that Mahomes is clearly a better arm talent.
All that is fair. And there is a flavor of the month feel with Mahomes. But he can sling it. He moves around like a great short stop and then unleashes these tight ropes everywhere on the field. So there is some extra style points he racks up. But the ball gets there is a hurry and it looks so effortless.
He's a true savant. And that, I believe, is what makes him so outstanding is because you can't teach it. He leaves you in awe.
It's really a gift from the football gods...
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I really like Mahomes, he's unquestionably awesome. But I feel like people overhype his talent in relation to Aaron Rodgers. Do people forget the kind of crazy stuff Rodgers was doing 10 years ago? He was capable of making just as impressive throws on the run as Mahomes, his bread and butter was literally rolling out and making an insane pass towards the sideline. He's older now but still tearing the league up and making ridiculous throws. He's right there with Mahomes in the MVP race this year and right there with him as an all-time arm talent.
Elway is hard to compare since his offensive system was ancient compared to the stuff you see today. But his arm was historically good which one reason why he was the single greatest QB prospect in NFL history so I can't say that Mahomes is clearly a better arm talent.
All that is fair. And there is a flavor of the month feel with Mahomes. But he can sling it. He moves around like a great short stop and then unleashes these tight ropes everywhere on the field. So there is some extra style points he racks up. But the ball gets there is a hurry and it looks so effortless.
He's a true savant. And that, I believe, is what makes him so outstanding is because you can't teach it. He leaves you in awe.
It's really a gift from the football gods...
Mahomes definitely seems to make off-balance throws more often than even Rodgers. He's just a very unique and fun player to watch, and is comfortable making all sorts of funky throws. Rodgers doesn't do it as often, but I've seen him throw his fair share of off balance lasers too.
I love Mahomes. I just think the media is a little quick to annoint him as "the most talented QB ever" when that was what they called Aaron Rodgers 5 years ago and Rodgers is still out there having an arguably superior season to Mahomes right now. My issue is more with the media than Mahomes himself.
But at this point everyone knows that they're measuring your velocity.
Elway is hard to compare since his offensive system was ancient compared to the stuff you see today. But his arm was historically good which one reason why he was the single greatest QB prospect in NFL history so I can't say that Mahomes is clearly a better arm talent.
Elway's arm is the best I've ever seen. He made two throws in the first half of Super Bowl XXI that defy logic. I've linked to the 2nd one, Elway rolls out to his left, sets his feet at the 26 just inside the numbers on the far side, and unleashes a throw all the way across the field to the near sideline at the 31 - technically 43 "air yards" and the ball never got higher than 20 feet off the ground.
Preposterous.
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One other guy that could really fling it was Jeff George. The guy that threw an NFL ball like the original NERF Turbo.
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One other guy that could really fling it was Jeff George. The guy that threw an NFL ball like the original NERF Turbo. Link - ( New Window )
Madden: How many quarterbacks do you think can do that ...
Summerall: (cutting him off) None.
That, to me, is why he's the most talented QB I've ever seen. There are zero holes in his game, and he can quickly switch the "type" of QB he is if needed.
it's close though.
All time.
Best arm I have ever seen is Bert Jones. He was Elway before Elway.
That, to me, is why he's the most talented QB I've ever seen. There are zero holes in his game, and he can quickly switch the "type" of QB he is if needed.
Mahomes definitely has shown an ability to make clutch runs in big situations, he did it in the playoffs often last year. But I don't think he's any faster or better at running the ball than Aaron Rodgers was in his 20s/early 30s. Mahomes and Rodgers both average 17 Rushing Yards per game over their career and that's including Rodgers' last few years where he doesn't run as much. I believe Rodgers ran the faster 40yd dash at the combine as well.