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Pass Interference Calls

fanoftheteam : 12/1/2020 10:17 am
Oh boy - what is happening here. In the beginning of the year we heard how eliminating ticky tacky penalties would be the initiative for the refs this year. But watching these games, the final scores and outcomes are really living and dieing by the PI flags. Last nights game showed this and even our own Giants game with Darnay.

Ive been joking saying - why not just throw a 20 yard pass every play. You dont think 1/3 will be caught or a PI/Holding/Illegal Contact gets thrown? I do believe were at that point. Would like to see the analytics of the 2020 season taking in account 20+ yards and their reception percentage and or penalty if anyone can do that.

3 PI flags that NEED to be reviewed in the offseason.

1. The classic QB underthrow of a reciever when the defender doesnt get its back turned. Last night we saw Wentz throw a terrible pass to Goedert well short of where it needed to be but it hit the defenders back while Goedert was trying to get his hands on it. This should be on the QB and they should not be bailed out by penalty if contact is minor.


2. Handfighting on Go Routes - let WR/CB battle along the sidelines. Too many times is contact not clear and/or obvious.

3. CB positioning on Dig Routes - usually the defender comes over the top and rests his outside arm on the WRs hip with minimal contact being used and uses other arm to bat ball/defend pass. Happened on the sideline in last nights game and went against Philly. This game is wayyy to fast for CBs to avoid complete contact with the wideout.

I just really think the quality of these games is nosediving with these penalties.
Same with holding calls  
Everyone Relax : 12/1/2020 10:20 am : link
the last few weeks. I know the league has made an effort to limit them and it showed the first few weeks, but it looks like they have reverted recently. We all know a hold can be called on essentially every play, but what drives me nuts is when they call a hold for something that had no effect on the play. Swallow the whistle! When there's a quick pass to the right and the left tackle gets called for a hold it doesnt change the play!
The NFL  
PaulN : 12/1/2020 10:46 am : link
Has made me question the integrity of the league because of the way they have screwed up the pass interference call, you can see a blatant call call not get called and an obvious non call get called, and it occurs every game, so why am I to assume its just a mistake, the league does nothing, the refs are not obviously held accountable, so if a ref is a Cowboy fan, why not call pass interference, its close enough, nobody is going to call him out, am I to believe he just wants to do a great job in this world where getting away with everything you can is the way of the world, no way, its no different in the NFL and they better fix this before the roof blows off.
Should also only be 15 yards not at the spot  
rasbutant : 12/1/2020 11:40 am : link
Automatically saying the receiver would have caught the pass if not interfered with is way to one sided to the offense. Yeah there will be times the CB's interfere on purpose.

Another thing, if the CB's can't touch the WR's then the WR's shouldn't be able to touch the CB's. So many WR's push off its pretty much on every contested throw and rarely called.
Not sure how the nfl would adjust if only 15  
fanoftheteam : 12/1/2020 11:50 am : link
You might see blatant interferences.

I also see alot back of the endzone on uncatchable balls and questionable contact.
Penalties  
Archer : 12/1/2020 12:14 pm : link
The problem as I see it is inconsistency in calls
Some officials eat the whistle while others seem to call every infraction

There also appear to be inconsistencies even with officials at the same game

I think that the infractions should not be vague
They should be specifically defined similar to a fumble

I also hate penalties that are called that are away from the action and no impact on the play.
RE: Penalties  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/1/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15063241 Archer said:
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The problem as I see it is inconsistency in calls
Some officials eat the whistle while others seem to call every infraction

There also appear to be inconsistencies even with officials at the same game

I think that the infractions should not be vague
They should be specifically defined similar to a fumble

I also hate penalties that are called that are away from the action and no impact on the play.


That inconsistency within the same crew is what drive players and coaches nuts. and it leads to the impression of bias.

Just look at last week or the first Philly and Dallas games. Just one drive after a call or no call, the next drive results in a crucial call that was very similar, yet interpreted the opposite way.

The drive before holmes was called for PI in the end zone (which almost always gifts a team a TD), Golden tate had his arm held on a 3rd down conversion attempt.
That call  
KebertXela : 12/1/2020 1:28 pm : link
on Holmes was a joke.
The problem is not the officiating... it is the rules  
EricJ : 12/1/2020 1:59 pm : link
yes I want to rewind the clock and take us back to the 80's.

We had fewer rules
We allowed more contact between the CB and WR
Less controversy over what is a catch
It was easier for officials to call a game
We let the players play

We had bad calls and that will never stop. To me there were fewer of them and not as many deciding the outcome of a game

please bring back the big QB hits and the concussions... thank you
Yeah. This is a hate the war not a solider  
fanoftheteam : 12/1/2020 2:02 pm : link
Type issue. The anger for the refs is misdirected as their taking orders to save their jobs.
RE: Not sure how the nfl would adjust if only 15  
BamaBlue : 12/1/2020 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15063212 fanoftheteam said:
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You might see blatant interferences.

I also see alot back of the endzone on uncatchable balls and questionable contact.


There would be situations where blatant interference was a smart play, but it is far better than the crap we're getting now. I would like to see a team have a choice... either take 15 yards, or an automatic first down at the line of scrimmage. Either way there is a first down, but eliminate the huge field position swings.
EVERYTHING should be reviewable  
Reale01 : 12/1/2020 2:16 pm : link
Still just two challenges. REALLY bad calls could be corrected.

Not perfect, but you never want the refs to be the only people on the planet that saw it wrong.
Automatic first down at LOS might be a probelm  
jsuds : 12/1/2020 2:19 pm : link
If interference happens over and over and over the offense stops matriculating the ball down the field.

Every call needs to be reviewed like college. Game is too fast on the field and TV doesn't lie. I know the replay result at home on my big screen before they figure it out on the NFL field.

Not a good formula.
The college targeting reviews are nauseating  
fanoftheteam : 12/1/2020 2:38 pm : link
Imo
Another thought.  
rasbutant : 12/1/2020 9:38 pm : link
What if there is an eye in the sky ref, someone sitting in the booth with tv option. Now without stopping or slowing down the game he either by watching it live or a quick replay if he has time if he sees something blatantly called wrong he can buzz down to the field. The refs on the field stop the game and huddle. They can talk it through and change the call or They can then review the play if they choose to. The key for me is the ref that made the call is the one that reviews the play and decides after a second look if he wants the call to stand. This would all need to happen super fast not to slow the game. So some calls will still be missed.

Would be cool to if the had an Iwatch type device that the replay clip could be sent to them.
RE: Automatic first down at LOS might be a probelm  
BamaBlue : 12/1/2020 9:41 pm : link
In comment 15063399 jsuds said:
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If interference happens over and over and over the offense stops matriculating the ball down the field.

Every call needs to be reviewed like college. Game is too fast on the field and TV doesn't lie. I know the replay result at home on my big screen before they figure it out on the NFL field.

Not a good formula.


You're right. That's why I proposed the team receiving the penalty can choose a 1st down at the LOS, or 15 yards...
I have  
jtfuoco : 12/1/2020 9:42 pm : link
Felt for years that PI should be only a 15 yard penalty and defensive holding should be 10 yards but not a automatic first down. In addition offensive PI should be 10 yards and loss of down but pick plays being a separate call and just a ten yard penalty.
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