I agree with you re Gettleman. There is a core of fans who refuse to give him any credit. The Beckham trade is looking more and more like a steal for the Giants. 3 rookie OLs all playing and improving, and Gates undrafted and playing a solid C is great work.
(1) As you noted, Jabrill Peppers looked really good out there. His break-up of that deep sideline pass was huge;
(2) I may be the only one on BBI who won't feel so badly if Daniel Jones is shut down for the rest of the season. Why? Because I am not going to get all hot and bothered over whether or not the Giants make the playoffs; whereas I care quite a lot that the team showed improvement in second half, which I believe they have done.
(3) Our special teams were downright scary against Cincy. It is very rare that you see a 103-yard KO return with a guy going up the gut untouched save for an ole arm bar from the kicker. That was the Red Sea parting and it really sucked.
(4) I thought the Giants made one very bad conceptual call on offense. They were up by six points with about 4 minutes to go and were obviously trying to bleed the clock with one run after the another. It's third and about 3 at about Cincy's 40-yard line -- they should have just called another run and burn more clock. Instead, they go for a long pass down the sideline to Golden Tate. Incomplete. Clock stops.
(5) Definitely want to tip my hat to a great defensive effort that let up about 200 total yards from scrimmage, but it was just numbing to watch this same defense fall apart and allow that last TD drive by Cincy.
(6) Wayne Gallman looked great; ran hard. Saw only one mistake where he jitter-bugged with a gaping hole to the right and which he finally ran into for only a modest gain because it closed up on him.
I was surprised that you didn't seem to think the PI call on Holmes was a questionable one. I suppose on 3rd and long, he's got to be more careful but to my untrained eyes it just looked like really good coverage. Video linked here for others to see. Link - ( New Window )
I got nothing on Colt McCoy. If you're the OC for the Giants this week, what's in his tool box that you might be able to use to give the Giants a shot?
I know he went to Texas and was pretty good there - but he was a 3rd pick in 2010 who never really got a chance to be a starter in the NFL. So he's been around a long time, but seemingly as a "good in the room" kind of guy.
He looked pretty fast, it looked like he doesn't have superior arm strength, but that's from watching him play for a quarter and a half Sunday that he wasn't really planning on getting in.
I mean - are we looking at a legit NFL starter or does he give us no shot?
Its been really nice seeing Peppers make an impact, and glad to hear you emphasize his progress in your review. He's a really likable, high-energy guy out there.
I have had him out the door for a while and still believe he had made several curious decisions in his time here... BUT... when you start to see what good coaching does to his players (draftees and FAs) then it is easy to see him in a different light.
all that said, if we finish the year respectably, I can more easily see management keeping him around which is probably what they've wanted to do all along.
up, if you call Holmes a Dud. He made some really good plays as you mentioned.
We both know that the PI late in the game was an atrocious call. Ref had a bad angle and made the call on what he thought he saw. The non call on Tate was equally egregious.
(1) As you noted, Jabrill Peppers looked really good out there. His break-up of that deep sideline pass was huge;
(2) I may be the only one on BBI who won't feel so badly if Daniel Jones is shut down for the rest of the season. Why? Because I am not going to get all hot and bothered over whether or not the Giants make the playoffs; whereas I care quite a lot that the team showed improvement in second half, which I believe they have done.
(3) Our special teams were downright scary against Cincy. It is very rare that you see a 103-yard KO return with a guy going up the gut untouched save for an ole arm bar from the kicker. That was the Red Sea parting and it really sucked.
(4) I thought the Giants made one very bad conceptual call on offense. They were up by six points with about 4 minutes to go and were obviously trying to bleed the clock with one run after the another. It's third and about 3 at about Cincy's 40-yard line -- they should have just called another run and burn more clock. Instead, they go for a long pass down the sideline to Golden Tate. Incomplete. Clock stops.
(5) Definitely want to tip my hat to a great defensive effort that let up about 200 total yards from scrimmage, but it was just numbing to watch this same defense fall apart and allow that last TD drive by Cincy.
(6) Wayne Gallman looked great; ran hard. Saw only one mistake where he jitter-bugged with a gaping hole to the right and which he finally ran into for only a modest gain because it closed up on him.
As far as point 5 goes. They didn’t really fall apart. That’s by design when you are up 9 with under 4 minutes to go. In fact I had Giants -5.5 and knew they probably weren’t covering. The big fuck up on that drive was LWs boneheaded penalty. To get those 15 yards they would have needed a pass up the middle by design running another 30-40 seconds off clock. Obviously they didn’t play well on last drive, but wouldn’t consider it falling apart. In that situation it’s unnecessary for Dixon to bomb a punt and they have less than 30 seconds with no timeouts to get 30 yards.
Thanks for the review, Sy. I have a question on player usage
How do you attribute Peppers' improvement in play? To me, it seems like they're putting him in positions that better fit his skillset, not forcing him into action as a coverage safety as much. I know he's made some plays in coverage, but how often is he playing coverage vs playing more downhill?
Jabrill Peppers is really in a groove. His stat line continues to record numbers all over the place. He led the team with 6 tackles and he added a TFL, a pressure, and 2 pass break-ups. He brought a lot of energy to the defense and he is making plays each week. This is evolving into a top notch acquisition by Dave Gettleman, something that even his biggest critics have to respect. More on that below.
#HAIL
Pretty amazing to see how many afterthoughts and castoffs
and very deep.. A few things that I am curious about (your opinions on):
1) TE- with Smith out we basically had EE playing and Levine T.. Levine is supposed to be the blocking TE but, I have seen him miss a number of blocks (including this past weekend). Your thoughts on what he was signed for and what he is actually providing.
2) A lot of talk about Jason Garrett's play calls. I have said/argued, that my issue isn't the plays called but when they are called. Were you surprised the Giants didn't stick with running the ball and just looking for first downs on the immediate second drive of the game (coming off our long first drive and Cincy's KO ret TD)? I thought going WR trick play pass was a bad choice when you had a chance to really wear a defense down within the first couple of minutes of the game.
3) What happened with Austin Mack? I am surprised we haven't used his bigger body and walling off style more recently.
Is a pleasant surprise. He has been far more consistent this season and he should be a long term building block. Coming into this season I didn’t think that he would be re-signed when his contract expired due to inconsistent play but he’s really stepped up this season. Having a competent safety next to him also helps because some forget just how bad Bethea was last season.
The man is too talented. Too athletic. Played at that very top and for the very best program in all of college football.
First round draft pick. Those kinds of players don't grow on trees.. they are the tree.
It was never a question of talent. We all know that he’s a freak athlete. Peppers prior issues were mental. Sometimes he was late to react to plays or he made mental errors. He has been much better this season under Graham. Also not having to cover for a terrible safety next to him, like he did last season with Bethea, has also helped.
Could go down as one of the best draft classes in franchise history.
Andrew Thomas, Shane Lemieux, Matt Peart, and Xavier McKinney all look like long term starter. Darnay Holmes is the nickelback also which is basically a starting position as well.
Tae Crowder and Cam Brown have impressed the coaches also and could be future starters as well.
Thanks Sy.....D.Holmes as a Dud....is actually good news
I agree with you re Gettleman. There is a core of fans who refuse to give him any credit. The Beckham trade is looking more and more like a steal for the Giants. 3 rookie OLs all playing and improving, and Gates undrafted and playing a solid C is great work.
exactly
As an aside, since several players (for whatever reasons) have
Needs minor correction:
He finished with 129 catches on 4 yards
Jabrill Peppers is looking better, but he was never as bad as he has been made out to be on BBI. He was also starting to show last year just before he got hurt.
Jones getting hurt may have sunk the Giants for the season. The Cardinals and the Cowboys are their best two opportunities for Wins, with Jones' hamstring issue still a factor for the Cardinals game. If he plays, it would be valuable learning time for him even if he is limited to pocket passing until the last two or three games.
On the kickoff return for a TD, it looked like CJ Board vacated his lane leaving an opening right up the middle. He has had a few memorably bad plays that should factor into whether he stays or goes.
Could go down as one of the best draft classes in franchise history.
Andrew Thomas, Shane Lemieux, Matt Peart, and Xavier McKinney all look like long term starter. Darnay Holmes is the nickelback also which is basically a starting position as well.
Tae Crowder and Cam Brown have impressed the coaches also and could be future starters as well.
Carter Coughlin has also been getting more snaps and don’t forget the UDFAs like Murphy and Niko. Maybe it helped to have all of the coaches at the combine too.
I was surprised that you didn't seem to think the PI call on Holmes was a questionable one. I suppose on 3rd and long, he's got to be more careful but to my untrained eyes it just looked like really good coverage. Video linked here for others to see. Link - ( New Window )
Too grabby. I thought that little arm tug/hold was the source of the penalty. He needs to stop using/depending on his hands so much in coverage. Trust the feet.
I got nothing on Colt McCoy. If you're the OC for the Giants this week, what's in his tool box that you might be able to use to give the Giants a shot?
I know he went to Texas and was pretty good there - but he was a 3rd pick in 2010 who never really got a chance to be a starter in the NFL. So he's been around a long time, but seemingly as a "good in the room" kind of guy.
He looked pretty fast, it looked like he doesn't have superior arm strength, but that's from watching him play for a quarter and a half Sunday that he wasn't really planning on getting in.
I mean - are we looking at a legit NFL starter or does he give us no shot?
He is still in the league because he is a good locker room presence, a good team guy, and he is a really smart player. The arm talent, athletic ability, accuracy, adjustment speed...all of that is below average.
NYG will need to get creative with a lot of pre snap motion, a lot of play action, and get-it-out fast approach in the passing game.
Jabrill Peppers is really in a groove. His stat line continues to record numbers all over the place. He led the team with 6 tackles and he added a TFL, a pressure, and 2 pass break-ups. He brought a lot of energy to the defense and he is making plays each week. This is evolving into a top notch acquisition by Dave Gettleman, something that even his biggest critics have to respect. More on that below.
#HAIL
Actually unfortunately, some of the anti-DG crowd refuses too
RE: Thanks for the review, Sy. I have a question on player usage
How do you attribute Peppers' improvement in play? To me, it seems like they're putting him in positions that better fit his skillset, not forcing him into action as a coverage safety as much. I know he's made some plays in coverage, but how often is he playing coverage vs playing more downhill?
They have been using him the same way week to week...I think he simply looks more comfortable in the scheme and his role. Quicker decisions, more fluidity.
and very deep.. A few things that I am curious about (your opinions on):
1) TE- with Smith out we basically had EE playing and Levine T.. Levine is supposed to be the blocking TE but, I have seen him miss a number of blocks (including this past weekend). Your thoughts on what he was signed for and what he is actually providing.
2) A lot of talk about Jason Garrett's play calls. I have said/argued, that my issue isn't the plays called but when they are called. Were you surprised the Giants didn't stick with running the ball and just looking for first downs on the immediate second drive of the game (coming off our long first drive and Cincy's KO ret TD)? I thought going WR trick play pass was a bad choice when you had a chance to really wear a defense down within the first couple of minutes of the game.
3) What happened with Austin Mack? I am surprised we haven't used his bigger body and walling off style more recently.
Toilolo has been a pretty big disappointment. He was signed because of blocking and his reputation for helping young OTs. Add blocking TE to a Team Need this offseason.
I don't like to dive too deep into play calling. The one thing I did not like were the designed QB runs with McCoy knowing there weren't any other QBs on the roster.
Mack is not going to leap frog over Shepard/Tate/Slayton when it comes to playing time. He isn't going to leap frog over Engram for targets. Do the math...the only way he will see significant snaps is an injury or two.
He played for 1.5 quarters and might be our starter next week. Doesn't his play warrant inclusion under the QB section?
I could have, sure. Just didn't see his impact on the game being anything noteworthy.
I thought he came in and did what a backup QB normally does. Complete a few easy passes, missed a couple easy ones (one that could have been a walk-in TD for Lewis) and him being on the field hindered the usage of the complete playbook.
and it seems like the draft and FA period of 2020 was just about as good as you'd want it to be. Let's see if they can follow that up again this offseason with some quality signings (veteran DEs?) and load up on WR, LB, CB in the draft.
made a really good play on the opening series for CIN on the blitz. Great closing speed and laid a big hit on the QB. I'm surprised that wasn't a turnover - Bengals got lucky there. Holmes looks vicious on the blitz for a little guy.
2018 was basically seconds after the complete and utter collapse of 2017--NO ONE was picking through the ashes and soot of that 2017 and fixing things overnight, unless the QB was an all pro caliber player. Eli was not that guy in 2018. Shurmur was not that cheat code HC that this team desperately needed. The two guys running that team were ordinary, maybe eli was slightly underrated or better than that, but he wasn't carrying a trash team to great heights that year.
Dg made on move in that 18 off-season that hurt long term, Solder, and I don't know how anyone can really blame him. Solder likely checked off all the boxes and passed every physical known to man. He was ok that year but fell apart in 2019--ok fine, kill DG for that but something tells me many other desperate teams would have paid Solder than too.
2019 - 2020 have been true developmental years. It's right there for everyone to see. The arrow is pointing up, the roots are stronger now than they have been since the late 2000s.
I cautiously hoped this team could win 7-8 games this year. I also went out of my way to say no excuses, even early on despite lack of practice time, and I stand by that. But this has been a weird and wacky year and something tells me we won't be giving away games to the likes of Chicago or Tampa type teams going forward.
Carter Coughlin has also been getting more snaps and don’t forget the UDFAs like Murphy and Niko. Maybe it helped to have all of the coaches at the combine too.
Coughlin has flashed as well. Kyle Murphy was my favorite UDFA signing and I hope that he replaces Pulley as the backup center who can also play guard and even tackle in a pinch. Hopefully Murphy is the next OL find by Gettleman but we have to wait until next year to see. A full offseason in the Giants strength and conditioning program will certainly help.
RE: I agree with the questioning of the designed QB runs.
But Darnay Holmes a dud after his pass breakup leads to an interception? The pass interference call could have gone either way imo. But maybe that's a good sign, that there's not another obvious dud out there..
RE: I agree with the questioning of the designed QB runs.
I wrote in a couple of weeks ago that it was too risky running Jones so often. Unfortunately, we are seeing the result.
Football is risky. You can't avoid risk.
Perspectives on this may be colored by the fact that Eli Manning never got significantly hurt doing anything, and that isn't reality. It's a massive exception that goes against the nature of game.
Hasn't running Jones more been one of the major reasons
I wrote in a couple of weeks ago that it was too risky running Jones so often. Unfortunately, we are seeing the result.
Football is risky. You can't avoid risk.
Perspectives on this may be colored by the fact that Eli Manning never got significantly hurt doing anything, and that isn't reality. It's a massive exception that goes against the nature of game.
When you're looking at whether a risk is worth it, you factor in the substitutability of the asset in question. As we're talking about the quarterback here, the loss is potentially immensely damaging to the team's prospects in a way that losing even your star running back isn't. Sy is correct in his warning. It should not be glibly dismissed.
I wrote in a couple of weeks ago that it was too risky running Jones so often. Unfortunately, we are seeing the result.
Football is risky. You can't avoid risk.
Perspectives on this may be colored by the fact that Eli Manning never got significantly hurt doing anything, and that isn't reality. It's a massive exception that goes against the nature of game.
When you're looking at whether a risk is worth it, you factor in the substitutability of the asset in question. As we're talking about the quarterback here, the loss is potentially immensely damaging to the team's prospects in a way that losing even your star running back isn't. Sy is correct in his warning. It should not be glibly dismissed.
You're not wrong, but these run plays aren't frivolous trick plays. They're all done with the goal in mind of winning.
Daniel Jones ability to run is arguably his most game-affecting value. Even the threat of his runs force the defense to account for it. It's not an exaggeration to state that his runs help him as a passer (through defensive concern).
Kyle Murphy was my favorite UDFA signing and I hope that he replaces Pulley as the backup center who can also play guard and even tackle in a pinch. Hopefully Murphy is the next OL find by Gettleman but we have to wait until next year to see. A full offseason in the Giants strength and conditioning program will certainly help.
Lots of folks here think Lemieux playing OK means Zeitler should or can be cut to save cap. But I'd suggest DG should not cut Zeitler unless or until the FO are sure Murphy is a quality starter level OL
That will likely take until.after the 2021 season, much like Gates, two years after he was signed.
Unless he's a swing and a miss, that they'll prolly know sooner.
Daniel Jones ability to run is arguably his most game-affecting value.
That's YOUR take, maybe Go Terps' take, but I'd bet every penny I own that's not what Garrett, Judge, or Gettleman thinks.
Heck it's not how Jones sees himself whatsoever if you listen to his interviews.
It's part of the offense for a reason. Because it's an important skill, and he has top level athleticism to do it.
You are probably going to take this as some kind of slight against jones (it is not), but to date, he's not some special Rodgers, Mahomes level thrower of the football or a surgeon against defenses. He is still learning to move around within a pocket to avoid the rush and make reads fast enough to beat good defenses in the NFL.
He's an elite runner on these plays. Maybe 5 QBs in the league can do what he does when he gets a lane to run.
And also, they're in a playoff race. Anything that gets you a chance to win the game has to be on the table, or else why are you competing?
For the longest time people here have wanted to play competitive football. Competitive football means scraping for every win however you have to get there. Win the game in front of you or else the next one doesn't matter.
But the offense has generally been more productive the more he runs. Early in the season, when he wasn't running much at all, the offense was unspeakably bad.
RE: That's really swell that Jones doesn't think that
But the offense has generally been more productive the more he runs. Early in the season, when he wasn't running much at all, the offense was unspeakably bad.
Correct, but it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that the offense is more successful when a QB is a threat to run and takes advantage of the opportunity to run.
Very informative!
My observations:
(1) As you noted, Jabrill Peppers looked really good out there. His break-up of that deep sideline pass was huge;
(2) I may be the only one on BBI who won't feel so badly if Daniel Jones is shut down for the rest of the season. Why? Because I am not going to get all hot and bothered over whether or not the Giants make the playoffs; whereas I care quite a lot that the team showed improvement in second half, which I believe they have done.
(3) Our special teams were downright scary against Cincy. It is very rare that you see a 103-yard KO return with a guy going up the gut untouched save for an ole arm bar from the kicker. That was the Red Sea parting and it really sucked.
(4) I thought the Giants made one very bad conceptual call on offense. They were up by six points with about 4 minutes to go and were obviously trying to bleed the clock with one run after the another. It's third and about 3 at about Cincy's 40-yard line -- they should have just called another run and burn more clock. Instead, they go for a long pass down the sideline to Golden Tate. Incomplete. Clock stops.
(5) Definitely want to tip my hat to a great defensive effort that let up about 200 total yards from scrimmage, but it was just numbing to watch this same defense fall apart and allow that last TD drive by Cincy.
(6) Wayne Gallman looked great; ran hard. Saw only one mistake where he jitter-bugged with a gaping hole to the right and which he finally ran into for only a modest gain because it closed up on him.
Link - ( New Window )
I know he went to Texas and was pretty good there - but he was a 3rd pick in 2010 who never really got a chance to be a starter in the NFL. So he's been around a long time, but seemingly as a "good in the room" kind of guy.
He looked pretty fast, it looked like he doesn't have superior arm strength, but that's from watching him play for a quarter and a half Sunday that he wasn't really planning on getting in.
I mean - are we looking at a legit NFL starter or does he give us no shot?
This team is dying for a WR1.
all that said, if we finish the year respectably, I can more easily see management keeping him around which is probably what they've wanted to do all along.
We both know that the PI late in the game was an atrocious call. Ref had a bad angle and made the call on what he thought he saw. The non call on Tate was equally egregious.
Any how, thank you. Appreciate your POV.
Very informative!
My observations:
(1) As you noted, Jabrill Peppers looked really good out there. His break-up of that deep sideline pass was huge;
(2) I may be the only one on BBI who won't feel so badly if Daniel Jones is shut down for the rest of the season. Why? Because I am not going to get all hot and bothered over whether or not the Giants make the playoffs; whereas I care quite a lot that the team showed improvement in second half, which I believe they have done.
(3) Our special teams were downright scary against Cincy. It is very rare that you see a 103-yard KO return with a guy going up the gut untouched save for an ole arm bar from the kicker. That was the Red Sea parting and it really sucked.
(4) I thought the Giants made one very bad conceptual call on offense. They were up by six points with about 4 minutes to go and were obviously trying to bleed the clock with one run after the another. It's third and about 3 at about Cincy's 40-yard line -- they should have just called another run and burn more clock. Instead, they go for a long pass down the sideline to Golden Tate. Incomplete. Clock stops.
(5) Definitely want to tip my hat to a great defensive effort that let up about 200 total yards from scrimmage, but it was just numbing to watch this same defense fall apart and allow that last TD drive by Cincy.
(6) Wayne Gallman looked great; ran hard. Saw only one mistake where he jitter-bugged with a gaping hole to the right and which he finally ran into for only a modest gain because it closed up on him.
As far as point 5 goes. They didn’t really fall apart. That’s by design when you are up 9 with under 4 minutes to go. In fact I had Giants -5.5 and knew they probably weren’t covering. The big fuck up on that drive was LWs boneheaded penalty. To get those 15 yards they would have needed a pass up the middle by design running another 30-40 seconds off clock. Obviously they didn’t play well on last drive, but wouldn’t consider it falling apart. In that situation it’s unnecessary for Dixon to bomb a punt and they have less than 30 seconds with no timeouts to get 30 yards.
#HAIL
1) TE- with Smith out we basically had EE playing and Levine T.. Levine is supposed to be the blocking TE but, I have seen him miss a number of blocks (including this past weekend). Your thoughts on what he was signed for and what he is actually providing.
2) A lot of talk about Jason Garrett's play calls. I have said/argued, that my issue isn't the plays called but when they are called. Were you surprised the Giants didn't stick with running the ball and just looking for first downs on the immediate second drive of the game (coming off our long first drive and Cincy's KO ret TD)? I thought going WR trick play pass was a bad choice when you had a chance to really wear a defense down within the first couple of minutes of the game.
3) What happened with Austin Mack? I am surprised we haven't used his bigger body and walling off style more recently.
First round draft pick. Those kinds of players don't grow on trees.. they are the tree.
First round draft pick. Those kinds of players don't grow on trees.. they are the tree.
It was never a question of talent. We all know that he’s a freak athlete. Peppers prior issues were mental. Sometimes he was late to react to plays or he made mental errors. He has been much better this season under Graham. Also not having to cover for a terrible safety next to him, like he did last season with Bethea, has also helped.
Not sure how one comes to the conclusion they "fell apart".
Andrew Thomas, Shane Lemieux, Matt Peart, and Xavier McKinney all look like long term starter. Darnay Holmes is the nickelback also which is basically a starting position as well.
Tae Crowder and Cam Brown have impressed the coaches also and could be future starters as well.
Flemming should have been replaced during bye week...Corvid actually saved him.
exactly
He finished with 129 catches on 4 yards
Jabrill Peppers is looking better, but he was never as bad as he has been made out to be on BBI. He was also starting to show last year just before he got hurt.
Jones getting hurt may have sunk the Giants for the season. The Cardinals and the Cowboys are their best two opportunities for Wins, with Jones' hamstring issue still a factor for the Cardinals game. If he plays, it would be valuable learning time for him even if he is limited to pocket passing until the last two or three games.
On the kickoff return for a TD, it looked like CJ Board vacated his lane leaving an opening right up the middle. He has had a few memorably bad plays that should factor into whether he stays or goes.
Should that not be reversed he finished with 4 catches for a 129 yards?
Andrew Thomas, Shane Lemieux, Matt Peart, and Xavier McKinney all look like long term starter. Darnay Holmes is the nickelback also which is basically a starting position as well.
Tae Crowder and Cam Brown have impressed the coaches also and could be future starters as well.
Carter Coughlin has also been getting more snaps and don’t forget the UDFAs like Murphy and Niko. Maybe it helped to have all of the coaches at the combine too.
Too grabby. I thought that little arm tug/hold was the source of the penalty. He needs to stop using/depending on his hands so much in coverage. Trust the feet.
I know he went to Texas and was pretty good there - but he was a 3rd pick in 2010 who never really got a chance to be a starter in the NFL. So he's been around a long time, but seemingly as a "good in the room" kind of guy.
He looked pretty fast, it looked like he doesn't have superior arm strength, but that's from watching him play for a quarter and a half Sunday that he wasn't really planning on getting in.
I mean - are we looking at a legit NFL starter or does he give us no shot?
He is still in the league because he is a good locker room presence, a good team guy, and he is a really smart player. The arm talent, athletic ability, accuracy, adjustment speed...all of that is below average.
NYG will need to get creative with a lot of pre snap motion, a lot of play action, and get-it-out fast approach in the passing game.
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Jabrill Peppers is really in a groove. His stat line continues to record numbers all over the place. He led the team with 6 tackles and he added a TFL, a pressure, and 2 pass break-ups. He brought a lot of energy to the defense and he is making plays each week. This is evolving into a top notch acquisition by Dave Gettleman, something that even his biggest critics have to respect. More on that below.
#HAIL
Actually unfortunately, some of the anti-DG crowd refuses too
They have been using him the same way week to week...I think he simply looks more comfortable in the scheme and his role. Quicker decisions, more fluidity.
1) TE- with Smith out we basically had EE playing and Levine T.. Levine is supposed to be the blocking TE but, I have seen him miss a number of blocks (including this past weekend). Your thoughts on what he was signed for and what he is actually providing.
2) A lot of talk about Jason Garrett's play calls. I have said/argued, that my issue isn't the plays called but when they are called. Were you surprised the Giants didn't stick with running the ball and just looking for first downs on the immediate second drive of the game (coming off our long first drive and Cincy's KO ret TD)? I thought going WR trick play pass was a bad choice when you had a chance to really wear a defense down within the first couple of minutes of the game.
3) What happened with Austin Mack? I am surprised we haven't used his bigger body and walling off style more recently.
Toilolo has been a pretty big disappointment. He was signed because of blocking and his reputation for helping young OTs. Add blocking TE to a Team Need this offseason.
I don't like to dive too deep into play calling. The one thing I did not like were the designed QB runs with McCoy knowing there weren't any other QBs on the roster.
Mack is not going to leap frog over Shepard/Tate/Slayton when it comes to playing time. He isn't going to leap frog over Engram for targets. Do the math...the only way he will see significant snaps is an injury or two.
I could have, sure. Just didn't see his impact on the game being anything noteworthy.
I thought he came in and did what a backup QB normally does. Complete a few easy passes, missed a couple easy ones (one that could have been a walk-in TD for Lewis) and him being on the field hindered the usage of the complete playbook.
Not so true, it appears in your view.
First round draft pick. Those kinds of players don't grow on trees.. they are the tree.
Dg made on move in that 18 off-season that hurt long term, Solder, and I don't know how anyone can really blame him. Solder likely checked off all the boxes and passed every physical known to man. He was ok that year but fell apart in 2019--ok fine, kill DG for that but something tells me many other desperate teams would have paid Solder than too.
2019 - 2020 have been true developmental years. It's right there for everyone to see. The arrow is pointing up, the roots are stronger now than they have been since the late 2000s.
I cautiously hoped this team could win 7-8 games this year. I also went out of my way to say no excuses, even early on despite lack of practice time, and I stand by that. But this has been a weird and wacky year and something tells me we won't be giving away games to the likes of Chicago or Tampa type teams going forward.
Just enjoy it. One week at a time.
Coughlin has flashed as well. Kyle Murphy was my favorite UDFA signing and I hope that he replaces Pulley as the backup center who can also play guard and even tackle in a pinch. Hopefully Murphy is the next OL find by Gettleman but we have to wait until next year to see. A full offseason in the Giants strength and conditioning program will certainly help.
He only ran about two of three times Sunday on RPOs, so I do not know what you are about. Some of the runs were scrambles.
Football is risky. You can't avoid risk.
Perspectives on this may be colored by the fact that Eli Manning never got significantly hurt doing anything, and that isn't reality. It's a massive exception that goes against the nature of game.
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I wrote in a couple of weeks ago that it was too risky running Jones so often. Unfortunately, we are seeing the result.
Football is risky. You can't avoid risk.
Perspectives on this may be colored by the fact that Eli Manning never got significantly hurt doing anything, and that isn't reality. It's a massive exception that goes against the nature of game.
When you're looking at whether a risk is worth it, you factor in the substitutability of the asset in question. As we're talking about the quarterback here, the loss is potentially immensely damaging to the team's prospects in a way that losing even your star running back isn't. Sy is correct in his warning. It should not be glibly dismissed.
Do you buy into the theory that he was being taught techniques that where not good for him?
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I wrote in a couple of weeks ago that it was too risky running Jones so often. Unfortunately, we are seeing the result.
Football is risky. You can't avoid risk.
Perspectives on this may be colored by the fact that Eli Manning never got significantly hurt doing anything, and that isn't reality. It's a massive exception that goes against the nature of game.
When you're looking at whether a risk is worth it, you factor in the substitutability of the asset in question. As we're talking about the quarterback here, the loss is potentially immensely damaging to the team's prospects in a way that losing even your star running back isn't. Sy is correct in his warning. It should not be glibly dismissed.
You're not wrong, but these run plays aren't frivolous trick plays. They're all done with the goal in mind of winning.
Daniel Jones ability to run is arguably his most game-affecting value. Even the threat of his runs force the defense to account for it. It's not an exaggeration to state that his runs help him as a passer (through defensive concern).
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Kyle Murphy was my favorite UDFA signing and I hope that he replaces Pulley as the backup center who can also play guard and even tackle in a pinch. Hopefully Murphy is the next OL find by Gettleman but we have to wait until next year to see. A full offseason in the Giants strength and conditioning program will certainly help.
Lots of folks here think Lemieux playing OK means Zeitler should or can be cut to save cap. But I'd suggest DG should not cut Zeitler unless or until the FO are sure Murphy is a quality starter level OL
That will likely take until.after the 2021 season, much like Gates, two years after he was signed.
Unless he's a swing and a miss, that they'll prolly know sooner.
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That's YOUR take, maybe Go Terps' take, but I'd bet every penny I own that's not what Garrett, Judge, or Gettleman thinks.
Heck it's not how Jones sees himself whatsoever if you listen to his interviews.
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Daniel Jones ability to run is arguably his most game-affecting value.
That's YOUR take, maybe Go Terps' take, but I'd bet every penny I own that's not what Garrett, Judge, or Gettleman thinks.
Heck it's not how Jones sees himself whatsoever if you listen to his interviews.
It's part of the offense for a reason. Because it's an important skill, and he has top level athleticism to do it.
You are probably going to take this as some kind of slight against jones (it is not), but to date, he's not some special Rodgers, Mahomes level thrower of the football or a surgeon against defenses. He is still learning to move around within a pocket to avoid the rush and make reads fast enough to beat good defenses in the NFL.
He's an elite runner on these plays. Maybe 5 QBs in the league can do what he does when he gets a lane to run.
And also, they're in a playoff race. Anything that gets you a chance to win the game has to be on the table, or else why are you competing?
For the longest time people here have wanted to play competitive football. Competitive football means scraping for every win however you have to get there. Win the game in front of you or else the next one doesn't matter.
Correct, but it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that the offense is more successful when a QB is a threat to run and takes advantage of the opportunity to run.
2 holding penalties drawn by unheralded rookie pass rushers.