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Why is intentional grounding not reviewable?

Spider56 : 12/1/2020 11:44 am
I’ll delete if already discussed ... last nights game, on the Eagles TD drive right before the half ... Wentz is out of the pocket but throws the ball OOB well short of the LOS and the refs clearly missed the call ... plus the one they did call on Russell on the overthrow in the end zone.
this would be one of the toughest reviewable penalties i can imagine  
Azul Grande : 12/1/2020 11:47 am : link
What’s the definition of a receiver “in the area”?

How much pressure is “under pressure”?

As the pocket moves around, as a QB rolls out a bit, do we want to litigate where the exact centimeter the tackle box ended was when he threw?

When a ball is thrown out of bounds, do we know that it crossed the boundary before or after the stick?
Reviewing to determine if a ball got to the LOS  
BigBlueNH : 12/1/2020 11:50 am : link
would be THE easiest call to review. How long did you have to look at that replay last night before you could determine that the ball was well short? I agree that you can't make "receiver in the area" reviewable.
If your outta the pocket and dont reach LOS with  
fanoftheteam : 12/1/2020 11:53 am : link
Reciever in area its not grounding though. So it does create a grey area as yardage from ball to receiver isnt defined thus not reviewable.

Awful call though on that play - right after and illegal hands to te face that shoulda been let go. I think the CB knicked the facemask with his middle finger.
RE: this would be one of the toughest reviewable penalties i can imagine  
giants#1 : 12/1/2020 12:03 pm : link
In comment 15063206 Azul Grande said:
Quote:
What’s the definition of a receiver “in the area”?

How much pressure is “under pressure”?

As the pocket moves around, as a QB rolls out a bit, do we want to litigate where the exact centimeter the tackle box ended was when he threw?

When a ball is thrown out of bounds, do we know that it crossed the boundary before or after the stick?


1. You don't have to make the entire penalty reviewable. They could easily allow a review to determine if the ball got back to the LOS. Though that should also be the easiest piece to determine since there is literally two refs standing at the LOS during the play.

2. I believe the "pocket" is roughly determined by where the OTs line up pre-snap. Obviously, whether a QB is in or out of the pocket when he throws it away is going to be debatable on occasion.

They shouldn't have needed a review  
giants#1 : 12/1/2020 12:05 pm : link
There's literally a ref standing at the sticks watching the ball sail out of bounds several yards short. I can see if it was "close", but it was a good 3-4 yards shy.
Everyone immediately knew when it happened  
mattlawson : 12/1/2020 12:05 pm : link
There should be an official watching the game in the booth to get these calls right and provide that perspective. When fans know immediately - so should the officials
Last thing the NFL wants  
ghost718 : 12/1/2020 12:05 pm : link
is more re viewable plays.

It's all about control,they want the refs to have more,and the teams less.
I will debate the Russell Wilson  
SJGiant : 12/1/2020 12:32 pm : link
penalty with you. It was thrown out of bounds in the end zone, but it still went out of bounds. I thought the rules were anywhere in the end zone was OK, but I am guessing the rule is that the ball has to be thrown out of the end zone without going to the sidelines first.
Every Penalty That Has Some Objective Content  
Trainmaster : 12/1/2020 12:53 pm : link
should be reviewable.

Was the QB within or outside the tackle box?

Did the ball reach the LOS?

Those two aspects of intentional grounding should easily be able to be determined via review.
IMV  
Gman11 : 12/1/2020 1:29 pm : link
allowing the QB to throw the ball away while out of the pocket is a bullshit rule. Intentional grounding is intentional grounding whether the QB is in or out of the pocket. Why is one allowed and the other isn't? I would think the QB has a better chance to escape the rush while out of the pocket than standing in the pocket, but if he throws it away while in the pocket it's a penalty. I fail to see the logic here.
Here's the part of the rule I don't get  
BlackLight : 12/1/2020 1:53 pm : link
Does the ball have to make it back to the LOS while in the field of play? Does the LOS end at the sideline? In other words, if a QB throws a ball into the stands, does it only matter where it lands or where it crosses the sideline plane in relation to the LOS?

That might be the reason why it's not reviewable. On some of these, it's like trying to track where a punt actually went out of bounds. You're just kinda guessing at a certain point.

That said, the missed call last night was absurd. The line judge was literally standing on the LOS, three full yards ahead of where the ball landed.
EVERYTHING should be reviewable  
Reale01 : 12/1/2020 1:57 pm : link
The number of challenges would remain the same so it would not take any longer. The burden of "proof" to overturn may vary according to the call. For example, holding and pass interference would have to be clearly incorrect to overturn.

Last night's grounding would be obvious.

They may limit to only clear and obvious for "booth review"
I just looked at NFL rulebook  
SJGiant : 12/1/2020 2:49 pm : link
I could find anything about the rules associated with intentional grounding and the offensive end zone. I always thought that if you were in between the tackles, under pressure, and through the ball out of the end zone in the center of the field, that intentional grounding would not be called. Now I question this assumption.
through --> threw  
SJGiant : 12/1/2020 2:49 pm : link
correction
RE: Here's the part of the rule I don't get  
Prude : 12/2/2020 2:53 am : link
In comment 15063375 BlackLight said:
Quote:
Does the ball have to make it back to the LOS while in the field of play? Does the LOS end at the sideline? In other words, if a QB throws a ball into the stands, does it only matter where it lands or where it crosses the sideline plane in relation to the LOS?

That might be the reason why it's not reviewable. On some of these, it's like trying to track where a punt actually went out of bounds. You're just kinda guessing at a certain point.

That said, the missed call last night was absurd. The line judge was literally standing on the LOS, three full yards ahead of where the ball landed.


The field of play is the field of play. Anything that happens outside of the field of play is irrelevent(besides personal fouls which are not a part of the play)
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