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Worst Special Teams Game

Samiam : 12/2/2020 8:50 am
I can think of 5 parts I really did not like. They easily could have lost a game where they played pretty well on offense and defense. The first part was the 103 yard kick off return. The Giants score a TD looking really good and gave the momentum back immediately. I read here that somebody called Board for going around a block and not through it. But that hole the kick returner ran through was huge so I think it was a few players who did not execute.

The second was the Bengal fake punt. Here I don't know who screwed up but I was pissed that it happened especially coming after the kickoff return. Two big mistakes by STs is too much.

On that last punt, he outkicked the coverage. I couldn't tell if that was the plan and the gunners were blocked or they weren't expecting that long a punt. That never should have happened.

I also did not like the way Peppers returned punts or in this case, did not return punts. He didnt catch some punts that looked catchable or fair caught others where he had room to run. When he has space, he's a weapon. It almost looked to me that he was instructed to avoid turnovers at all costs.

The last part that bothered me were the consistent short kickoffs by Gano that let the Bengals run the returns beyond and way beyond the 25 yardline. Im assuming this was planned because I think it happened everytime.

To me special teams is mostly about effort and this team plays hard on both sides of the ball so maybe its something else, maybe lack of talent here. On the other hand, I like the ST coach and with Judge involved, ST should be a team strength. You can beat the Bengals playing ST this badly but I dont think we can beat many or any of the teams if this continues.
They’ve been playing rather well, in general..  
Big Blue '56 : 12/2/2020 9:01 am : link
At this point I wouldn’t trade our P and PK for anyone, or most anyone in the league. Coverage has been good to excellent, imo..

I think last week’s game was more of an aberration than the norm..
It was a terrible day for special teams, no question.  
CT Charlie : 12/2/2020 9:04 am : link
However, is it possible that after the TD kickoff return Judge ordered Gano to keep the kickoffs short, in case Cincinnati had spotted a weakness in our regular coverage?
Kick it out of the damn endzone  
Harvest Blend : 12/2/2020 9:08 am : link
the Bengals offense STINKS.

That was frustrating for sure. Also not sure what Peppers was doing. Hell I could have done what he did 2 or 3 times.
Bad game, indeed  
JonC : 12/2/2020 9:08 am : link
Between the specials and the receivers playing a mostly crappy game, it kept the Bengals close.
2 things:  
GiantsRage2007 : 12/2/2020 9:10 am : link
Yes, our Specials were terrible Sunday. 100%.

1 - Cinci has very very good returners and specials.

2 - We had some injuries to ST players (Ebnar especially) and some ST players are being asked to play more on D now too.
Outkicking the coverage is stupid shit announcers say when  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/2/2020 9:11 am : link
They have no idea what they are talking about. They wanted a booming punt to flip the field and Dixon answered, but our coverage teams failed once again.
RE: It was a terrible day for special teams, no question.  
Dinger : 12/2/2020 9:15 am : link
In comment 15063988 CT Charlie said:
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However, is it possible that after the TD kickoff return Judge ordered Gano to keep the kickoffs short, in case Cincinnati had spotted a weakness in our regular coverage?


I felt like this was the case and their returner, Brandon Wilson, returned a kick last season, so he obviously is no slouch. On the fake punt it looked like we had one side of the line overloaded for pressure and they saw this and called the pass away from that side. Their gunner on the right side ran an immediate slant to the middle taking our only defender on that side with him and leaving it wide open. This seems like something we should have done earlier in the year when our gunner was left uncovered. But I wonder why we didn't kick it out of the end zone? Is it not a given that Gano can do that?
RE: RE: It was a terrible day for special teams, no question.  
Mike in NY : 12/2/2020 9:20 am : link
In comment 15064005 Dinger said:
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In comment 15063988 CT Charlie said:


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However, is it possible that after the TD kickoff return Judge ordered Gano to keep the kickoffs short, in case Cincinnati had spotted a weakness in our regular coverage?



I felt like this was the case and their returner, Brandon Wilson, returned a kick last season, so he obviously is no slouch. On the fake punt it looked like we had one side of the line overloaded for pressure and they saw this and called the pass away from that side. Their gunner on the right side ran an immediate slant to the middle taking our only defender on that side with him and leaving it wide open. This seems like something we should have done earlier in the year when our gunner was left uncovered. But I wonder why we didn't kick it out of the end zone? Is it not a given that Gano can do that?


While Gano has an accurate leg on FG and knows how to kick from distance, he is not exactly a boomer on kickoffs. Except when wind is a factor, you are not talking about kicks that regularly go out the back of the end zone and Cincy was playing like they had nothing to lose versus someone like Dion Lewis who rarely brings it out even if it is only a yard into the endzone.
RE: Outkicking the coverage is stupid shit announcers say when  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/2/2020 9:21 am : link
In comment 15063997 Zeke's Alibi said:
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They have no idea what they are talking about. They wanted a booming punt to flip the field and Dixon answered, but our coverage teams failed once again.


Exactly. At that point in the game the goal was to have Cincy start as far back in their own territory as possible.

As far as ST goes, the coverage is what was poor this game. The kicking and punting continues to be outstanding.
After ten days kicking into a net in a hotel room...  
Big Blue Blogger : 12/2/2020 9:22 am : link
...Gano may have been a little short of full-strength. It seems silly, but a tiny loss of rhythm could be the difference between touchbacks and returnable kicks. He wasn't drilling field goals the way he had been, either. So kicking short may have been the best option after they saw what happened on the first kickoff.
Nate Ebner  
armstead98 : 12/2/2020 9:26 am : link
People wonder why he's on the team yet he's the captain of the special teams. He was out and the coverage was a mess, I'm not sure that's a total coincidence.
Good post. And a really poor display from Giants ST  
LBH15 : 12/2/2020 9:32 am : link
last sunday putting the game in harm's way. Though Gano continues to be money with field goals which has been critical for this low-point offense.

Regarding a couple of points in the OP,

Presume the short Gano kickoffs were to cause some confusion, change up the returner and throw off timing of blocking schemes. You sacrifice some yardage here but they must have been worried the big kickoffs would continue. Was it so windy Gano couldn't get it deep into end zones though?

Pepper's decisions on his own punt returns were indeed awful. One time he let the ball bounce in front of him at the 15 yard line which was just a mistake. And, as noted, one of his last returns he fair caught with basically no coverage pressure on him. Could have been a coach's decision but still...lets use the few weapons we have, particularly since Peppers has been close to breaking a few.

RE: Nate Ebner  
LBH15 : 12/2/2020 9:33 am : link
In comment 15064018 armstead98 said:
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People wonder why he's on the team yet he's the captain of the special teams. He was out and the coverage was a mess, I'm not sure that's a total coincidence.


Agreed
Punting and Kicking has been exceptional  
Simms11 : 12/2/2020 9:40 am : link
and this game was no different. As others already alluded, the coverage breakdowns were huge and Ebner being out could have caused a little chaos, as well. Board tackling was very poor and I saw Lalos also getting blocked out of his lane. It’ll be a focus this week most definitely. I also think we may see Pettis on PRs and in the game in some packages too. We need his speed and elusiveness.
RE: 2 things:  
BelieveJJ : 12/2/2020 9:40 am : link
In comment 15063996 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Yes, our Specials were terrible Sunday. 100%.

1 - Cinci has very very good returners and specials.

2 - We had some injuries to ST players (Ebnar especially) and some ST players are being asked to play more on D now too.


Some injuries?

If you look down the list of our "normal" STs starters, we're down to very few if any of them left besides Peppers - going all the way back to Cody Core our best STs coverage guy on IR from before the season started.
I suspect Gano's COVID recovery  
sems : 12/2/2020 9:48 am : link
had something to do with the short kickoffs. Hopefully he'll be stronger next week.
The short kickoffs were by design....  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/2/2020 9:54 am : link
His first one went into the end zone and was returned. He then was seen not giving a full swing on subsequent KO's. Once we went up by 9 points, I think he did put one 4 yards deep that was a touchback.

It didn't have to do with COVID
RE: I suspect Gano's COVID recovery  
LBH15 : 12/2/2020 10:01 am : link
In comment 15064042 sems said:
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had something to do with the short kickoffs. Hopefully he'll be stronger next week.


Wasn't the first one he kicked a 103-yard return?

Does Covid recovery come and go?
Good post.  
mittenedman : 12/2/2020 10:11 am : link
Nothing to add - we got spanked on special teams. We had some guys on the field - like Board and Toilolo - that almost blew the game.

That being said - the CIN Bengals have excellent special teams. That is a team strength of theirs, so it is not surprising to see them do well.

I said this before the game - this is the NFL. There are no easy games. Every team is capable of putting a can of whoop ass on somebody if they aren't prepared.
Agree  
DavidinBMNY : 12/2/2020 11:49 am : link
If Jones hadn't gotten injured I was curious if there was any PS player they would protect that offers quality special teams play, especially coverage. If we still have TJ Brunson on the roster, I could see him being active as he is pretty good on specials.
Peppers  
stretch234 : 12/2/2020 12:33 pm : link
He does not return a lot of punts. It seems game after game he leaves yards out there by calling fair catches with no one around. There are a number of these where he has 1 guy to beat for seemingly 15-20 additional yards
RE: I suspect Gano's COVID recovery  
bronxct1 : 12/2/2020 1:04 pm : link
In comment 15064042 sems said:
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had something to do with the short kickoffs. Hopefully he'll be stronger next week.


Those short kickoffs were on purpose after the 103-yard return. They weren't going to give him another chance to take one back.
If you watch the coverage on the kickoff  
BigBlueBuff : 12/2/2020 3:18 pm : link
Board completely abandons his lane to try to be the hero. You can say it was a team mistake, but if he stays home that doesn't happen. It only takes one guy to screw it up.
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