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We can win a game with Colt

Giantimistic : 12/2/2020 10:18 am
It will not be easy, but with this coaching staff I have some faith that it is a potential. This goes to the thought of tell me what you can do and not what you cannot. Look for the game plan--a game plan with a whole week to prepare--and plays to look very different for Colt then Jones.

He will be set up to succeed, manage the game, attack Seattle's weakness with what ever his strength is.

I think the defense can hold up, special teams will rebound and we will have some success with our power game against Seattle's defense. It will not be easy, but being up in New England I watched the Pats win games with Brady out. Now I understand that, the rest of the team is not nearly as good as those Patriots teams were. However, there is a similar approach and I think having this coaching staff mindset will give us a chance.

That all being said, what does Colt do well. What Does he do well? I know it wasn't very clear from him coming in during last game.
Maybe against someone  
Harvest Blend : 12/2/2020 10:22 am : link
but not this week.
I love where we are headed  
Johnny5 : 12/2/2020 10:41 am : link
I have faith in this staff. But we are not winning this game v. Seattle.
The way we win this is Colt manages the game,  
PatersonPlank : 12/2/2020 10:45 am : link
no turnovers, we can run the ball effectively, and we can shut them down. The point here is to shorten the game but killing the clock, keep it close, and hope to squeeze across the finish line.

We can't win if its a shootout
...  
ryanmkeane : 12/2/2020 10:46 am : link
with or without DJ, this game will be very close.
RE: The way we win this is Colt manages the game,  
LTIsTheGreatest : 12/2/2020 10:52 am : link
In comment 15064130 PatersonPlank said:
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no turnovers, we can run the ball effectively, and we can shut them down. The point here is to shorten the game but killing the clock, keep it close, and hope to squeeze across the finish line.

We can't win if its a shootout


totally agree. Gallman will be a huge factor in this game, as will Dion Lewis and his ability to catch passes out of the backfield. Short passes, effective running the ball, equating to long drives hoping to wear down the Seattle defense while keeping Wilson, Metcalf and their explosive offense off the field. Only way to win this game
they can win. Seattle's defense stinks  
Victor in CT : 12/2/2020 11:08 am : link
question is can they keep Wilson in the pocket
Maybe against Cincy  
ZogZerg : 12/2/2020 11:13 am : link
Colt didn't look good when he came in.
Hopefully he will be better with a full week of prep.

We really have no idea what he can do.
Gonna need a LOT of things to go right.  
Heisenberg : 12/2/2020 11:14 am : link
a LOT
Run the ball, long drives, eat up the clock,  
larryflower37 : 12/2/2020 11:17 am : link
No turnovers and Put up 7 not FG.
Don't let seattle hit on big plays and keep everything in front of you.
Need to slow this game down.
Is it possible yes probable no.
RE: Run the ball, long drives, eat up the clock,  
BelieveJJ : 12/2/2020 11:28 am : link
In comment 15064155 larryflower37 said:
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No turnovers and Put up 7 not FG.
Don't let seattle hit on big plays and keep everything in front of you.
Need to slow this game down.
Is it possible yes probable no.


1) All the above, and Bradberry (and Yiadom?) having the games of their lives covering DK Metcalf.

2) Surprising and confusing Wilson with post snap adjustments in pass coverage.

3) Tae Crowder having a crazy good effort as ILB #2, because I just dont see Mayo or Downs getting it done. Maybe Peppers playing great as a box safety/ LB.

4) Especially #1 above.
He's gonna attack "with whatever his strengths are", LOL.  
BigBlueNH : 12/2/2020 11:29 am : link
I think that's the issue: a very low quantum of "strengths" to work with here, but I get your point.
RE: they can win. Seattle's defense stinks  
PatersonPlank : 12/2/2020 11:35 am : link
In comment 15064150 Victor in CT said:
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question is can they keep Wilson in the pocket


If we can run the ball on Seattle, and thus control the clock/shorten the game/reduce the risk of turnovers, then we have a chance
Seattle  
uther99 : 12/2/2020 11:45 am : link
will most likely focus on stopping the Giants run game and make Colt beat them with his arm. I'm not sure Colt is up to that task given the Giants WRs.
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I am Ninja : 12/2/2020 11:46 am : link
If we get a defensive score, maybe we are in it with 5 mtp.
McCoy is bad,  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/2/2020 11:51 am : link
and it's not like we have great WRs. Jones brings the best out of a mediocre WR group.
Ole Skiool  
MotownGIANTS : 12/2/2020 11:53 am : link
win in the trenches and pound the rock effectively ... Gallman needs to have money maker game ... ST & D need to play well no huge returns or big plays allowed. Some points from either unit would be a huge boon.
I love  
dlauster : 12/2/2020 11:55 am : link
this site's optimism and energy.

I'm starting to feel it too.

But it is just as likely as anything that we go 1-4 on this last stretch.

And that's still okay if Jones et all continue to improve, gel together and play well.

Wilson  
AcidTest : 12/2/2020 12:00 pm : link
is a HOF QB, we have historically had trouble with mobile QBs, he is throwing to Metcalf, Lockett, and Moore, Jones and Barkley are out, and we have to travel all the way across the country.

We need to keep Wilson off the field and shorten the game to win. That is certainly possible given that Seattle's defense is the worst in the league. But they will almost certainly be stacking the LOS to test our still young and inexperience OL, and to make McCoy beat them through the air. McCoy is also throwing to an average group of WRs and Engram.

I'd come out throwing some short passes to try and get them to back off the LOS, and to hopefully prevent McCoy from being in a lot of second and third and long situations.

We also need to play mistake free football. No turnovers or ST gaffes like last week.
I was surprised Seattle failed to run away from Philly  
GeofromNJ : 12/2/2020 12:00 pm : link
after getting up 14-0. The Eagles have a terrible offensive line and their receivers cannot get separation, but their defense was able to keep Seattle in check after falling behind, despite Metcalf's ability to outplay Darius Slay. If the Giants can cover Metcalf and contain Wilson's running, I think they can win the game. The lone benefit of Covid is the lack of crowd noise in Seattle.
We're not dealing here with...  
bw in dc : 12/2/2020 12:00 pm : link
Alex Smith, Brandon Allen, or a shot Carson Wentz.

Wilson is a different animal. A much different animal.
RE: Seattle  
rsjem1979 : 12/2/2020 12:05 pm : link
In comment 15064180 uther99 said:
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will most likely focus on stopping the Giants run game and make Colt beat them with his arm. I'm not sure Colt is up to that task given the Giants WRs.


Bingo. McCoy is going to have to hit some big throws because the Seahawks aren't going to let the Giants line up and run the ball.

Everyone saying Seattle's defense stinks hasn't really been paying attention for the last few weeks. They did a nice job controlling Kyler Murray two weeks ago (6.4 Y/A, only 15 rushing yards) and dominated the Eagles. In the last two weeks they've allowed a total of 70 yards by RBs (22 att, 3.14 AVG).
I doubt it  
UConn4523 : 12/2/2020 12:08 pm : link
no matter how good our D is hard to see us not allowing 20+ against Seattle and I doubt colt mccoy can score enough to keep us within distance. We need to win the turnover battle and likely score on D against them.
RE: Run the ball, long drives, eat up the clock,  
81_Great_Dane : 12/2/2020 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15064155 larryflower37 said:
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No turnovers and Put up 7 not FG.
Don't let seattle hit on big plays and keep everything in front of you.
Need to slow this game down.
Is it possible yes probable no.
All this—and win the turnover battle. And get a big day from special teams.

Difficult to win. Not impossible.
any given sunday  
BillyM : 12/2/2020 12:12 pm : link
but I think we get smoked. If we win this game, and I mean this, Judge should be in consideration for coach of the year
So we aren’t going to forfeit the game  
90.Cal : 12/2/2020 12:22 pm : link
?
Against Seattle?  
Giant John : 12/2/2020 12:26 pm : link
I doubt it. Very happy to be proven wrong on that count.
I'm actually not to worried about the Seahawks or Cards offense  
Zeke's Alibi : 12/2/2020 12:33 pm : link
considering our personnel. We should be able to mush rush with interior pressure, keeping both these guys in pocket. Offensively though, I just don't see how we move the ball at all against Seattle. Cards are a little different story because we should definitely be able to make some first downs in the run game. I can't see us scoring more than 13 points against Seattle outside a defensive/specials score or set up.
Trying to be optimistic on McCoy  
Gap92 : 12/2/2020 1:05 pm : link
Found this highlight video of him on the Redskins to help convince myself that he can win a game or two.
Colt McCoy Washington highlights - ( New Window )
RE: I'm actually not to worried about the Seahawks or Cards offense  
LBH15 : 12/2/2020 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15064230 Zeke's Alibi said:
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considering our personnel. We should be able to mush rush with interior pressure, keeping both these guys in pocket.


Yeah, good luck with that.
Giants CAN win!  
TC : 12/2/2020 1:36 pm : link
All they need to do is send a couple of goons over to rough up Wilson the day before the game. ;-)

RE: ...  
ajr2456 : 12/2/2020 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15064131 ryanmkeane said:
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with or without DJ, this game will be very close.


Without him it won’t be.
Jones  
AcidTest : 12/2/2020 1:42 pm : link
was already throwing into tight windows because our receivers have trouble separating. McCoy is even less likely to be able to do so because his arm isn't nearly as strong. We could have a very difficult time throwing and therefore moving the ball.
Anything's possible. He'll be getting the practice reps with the  
Ira : 12/2/2020 1:43 pm : link
starters. That might help.
I think it is possible too  
SteelGiant : 12/2/2020 3:11 pm : link
Our defense is playing well, they will have to keep playing well regardless who out our QB is going to be. So lets say we do old Seattle offense is low scoring.

With Colt - I think Garrett gets to runs the same offense we was trying to run before he finally opened the playbook up for DJ.

Short throws, and do everything possible to make it 3rd and short and try to get long sustained drives. I hated this style with DJ and was my biggest complaint with Garrett but with Colt it is exactly what you need to do. We will run on almost every 2nd down to try to get 3rd and couple, and we will shoot for the sticks.

Yes our WR get terrible separation but our WR are built for short passing game, they are going to have step it up on YAC.

If our defense does not show up, then it would not have mattered all that much. The major loss here is we have no shot of going up early on them and trying to hold a lead like we might have with DJ.

We need to hold them then we need to hold onto the ball.
Random thoughts on this game  
Go Terps : 12/2/2020 3:30 pm : link
- It's not as if the Giants have been lighting up the scoreboard. Their last 5 point totals are 19, 27, 23, 23, and 21.

- Seattle's not blowing people out either...of their 8 wins I think only 2 have been by double digits (10 & 13). Conversely, of the Giants' 7 losses only 2 have been by double digits (10 & 27).

- Seattle's defense is no longer the sieve that it was earlier, but that doesn't figure to matter much with McCoy at QB.

- To my eyes the biggest difference between this Giants team and previous years has been the approach to rushing the QB. You don't see defensive linemen swimming and trying to get upfield around the edges; the focus seems to be on gap integrity and collapsing the pocket. The result is mobile QBs aren't exposing us the way they used to. This is the most glaring New England influence, IMO. They could cause some issues for Wilson.

- I don't see the Giants winning this one, but they aren't a great matchup for Seattle either. 24-17 Seattle feels about right; an upset isn't out of the question if they can generate a big special teams play or switch the field with a turnover.
Posters who write off games as losses  
joeinpa : 12/2/2020 3:46 pm : link
Should keep in mind, it s “Professional “ football.

Rosters are composed of the best football players in the world.

Yes some teams are better, that s why they are favored to win.

But even the best team can lose to the worst team, it s not a 100% win ratio.

It s why they play the game.

What Colt does well -  
Section331 : 12/2/2020 3:56 pm : link
he is accurate, smart, and has decent mobility. He doesn't have great arm strength, but can deliver on short and medium passes.

Establishing the run game is going to be critical, and give Colt some time, so the OL is going to have to keep up its good play of late. It helps that SEA has little pass rush.

This game is winnable. Let's hope Graham has a good game plan for keeping Russell under wraps.
I am hoping  
PaulN : 12/2/2020 4:04 pm : link
To win, there are a lot of other players on the team, sometimes a little adversity is just what a team can use to really come together.
it's not a definite  
ryanmkeane : 12/2/2020 4:21 pm : link
that Jones doesn't play. Based on his interview today I'd say there's a decent chance. Tomorrow will be the key.
Honestly  
5BowlsSoon : 12/2/2020 6:14 pm : link
I think we probably need to score 27 points to win. If we hold Seattle to 24, I think that is remotely possible with Colt leading us.

can we score 27 points with Colt leading the way? I don’t think so, but my opinion means nothing, and I would love for him to prove me wrong. I’m pretty sure he will have a Very conservative game plan so Seattle will probably be loading up to stop the run. Can we win with Colt having to air it out? I don’t see how we can, and what if we get down early? Can we comeback from down 10-14 points? Again, I don’t think so, so I hope we don’t get down like that.

In conclusion...if the defense rises up to hold them to 20 and less, we have a decent chance. But my prediction is we score 13- 19 points with Colt under center.
RE: Trying to be optimistic on McCoy  
Ivan15 : 12/2/2020 7:22 pm : link
In comment 15064261 Gap92 said:
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Found this highlight video of him on the Redskins to help convince myself that he can win a game or two. Colt McCoy Washington highlights - ( New Window )


This is a reminder that McCoy’s style is pretty similar to Jones’. Just not as big and not as strong, but he does have the experience to do some things that Jones hasn’t learned to do yet.

Hope winning is one of them.
I would like to revisit this thread!  
Giantimistic : 12/6/2020 7:35 pm : link
I think we can win with Colt McCoy!
Excellent call.  
Britt in VA : 12/6/2020 7:35 pm : link
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I didn't believe it.  
Britt in VA : 12/6/2020 7:35 pm : link
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RE: I didn't believe it.  
Giantimistic : 12/6/2020 7:44 pm : link
In comment 15069076 Britt in VA said:
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Not sure I believed it either—just hoped it. I was wrong about special teams rebounding though.
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