Logan Ryan has been a cornerstone for DC Graham's vastly improved Giants 2020 defense, but is there any place for him on the 2021 roster with McKinney, Peppers, and Love all expecting significant snaps?
I love what Ryan has accomplished on the field this year, love who he is off the field and in the clubhouse, but he's gonna earn 8 mil plus per year, is looking for a 3 year deal or better (I imagine) and doesnt fit a long term need for the Gmen.
If he and Tomlinson (or LW) depart for greener pastures, and the Giants sign either cap casualty cut players or their own guys with contacts ending, they should be in line for more than 1 comp pick in 2022...
Also half this forum seems to want Zeitler cut to save cap room in 2021. But he'll be the only pricey OL in the room in 2021, and if he's kept until his contract simply ends (in 2022) and he scores a decent FA deal then, his "loss" puts the Giants in line for a 2023 comp pick. Solder will be released next year I bet, or simply retire...
I wonder if they can find snaps for Kyle Murphy going forward. If he looks to have a future maybe both Hernandez and Zeitler are allowed to depart after 2021?
Even if Thomas and Peart are the clear cut starting OTs for 2021, the Giants will need a backup vet swing tackle to replace Fleming. Lots and lots of OTs in this 2021 draft, it seems.
Too smart & solid on the field to let go yet. He has really settled down that Secondary.
That gives Ryan some financial security while the Giants affordably retain a capable vet. Sounds like a win win.
Cosmic my friend this year with no preseason and Ryan desperate for a contract and familiar with JJ and the system he and PG run took a one year deal worth upwards of 7 mil if Ryan hits on pro bowl and all pro half million bonuses...
That's what he agreed to when backed into a corner...
Turning 30 in January, he's got to know this next one is his last really good contract. He loves playing in his native NJ and in a Belicikian system playing mostly Safety and calling shots on the back end.
But he will look for $$$ wherever desperate need at safety dictates.
With McKinney coming on, if he is what the Giants project him to be, and Peppers turning the corner big time and Love being a good 3rd safety, the top $$$ for Ryan won't be from DG, I don't think.
The age consideration is huge; they likely have every intention (at this point) to resign or extend Peppers beyond 2021, and Pep is five full years younger than Ryan.
Ask yourselves this question: why didn't DG push for a multiyear deal with Ryan when he had Ryan backed into a corner at the start of this season?
I am not a fan of Love either, but he is cheap.
He doesn't have a lot of range back there, like to see
what McKinney can do, but they won't rush him now.
Quote:
In comment 15064748 BillT said:
Quote:
Solder probably would and certainly should agree to a pay cut that would free as much cap space as releasing him would. So that’s a no brainer. And keeping him and Zeitler gives us a solid three man group at both tackle and guard. That is great depth. Look at what happened this year to the Cowboys and Eagles OLs.
Why keep Solder? He is expensive and the guys replacing him are young, still developing, are the future, and have not really been a drop-off from what Solder gave the team.
You keep him as a backup instead of Fleming or the equivalent. We currently have no up and coming backup OTs that are better than PS level so you not displacing a younger player either.
Quote:
for close to a year, and I doubt they pay $10M to him and market dollars to LW.
Jon, that's been out there for a while about the Giants trying to recoup sonething (more than a future comp pick) for Tomlinson.
But the last time I read (or heard) a tidbit about Tomlinson, possibly on Giants.com, it was spun IN REVERSE!
The revised claim was that Giants had offers for Tomlinson last year (even a team was mentioned, maybe the Lions?) but the offer wasn't rich enough for the team to part ways with him!
Was that in your opinion a new media plant/ spin released by the FO?
The Packers reportedly made a trade offer at the deadline for Tomlinson but the offer was a day three pick most likely a 5th. Had the Packers offered a 3rd the Giants might have accepted.
But all that might not have mattered or had much influence on a DB room with Jenkins instead of Bradberry, or Baker in place of Holmes.
The entire group accepting and responding to his leadership is crucial, methinks.
Haha seriously. There’s no denying the value he’s brought both from his own playing ability, and his leadership.
Makes me think back to the 1990 Giants (not that this iteration is anything close overall), but they got big contributions from 2 vet DBs, Everson Walls and Dave Duerson. Both playing ability and leadership
Whoa Nellie. Not suggesting Zeitler is pro bowl material but I think he is playing solid ball since that Steeler game. That guy on the weekly OL review continues to show tape of him doing a more consistent job on run and pass than the other guards.
Lemieux playing well and coming up fast but not there yet.
I don't see it with Zeitler. He's regressed. And based on his game reviews, I think Sy would agree to an extent.
Lemieux is still learning but I think he's our most gifted G on the move. And that has helped the running game - IMV.
Unless he restructures, or bet yet retires, that contract will hurt next year.
I still they think they would've traded DT if a #3 pick had been offered. Now, he could deliver a comp #3 or #4 if he departs so it will probably be worth waiting.
There's a good chance the Giants are drafting a G in '21 or '22 to replace him in two years.
Short: his taking the Giants offer wasn’t a fluke but reflected NFL demand. As he celebrates his 30th, that’s unlikely to change.
Absolutely regarding the competition comment.
Only been waiting forever for that to happen.