Saquon back makes us an awfully dangerous team to defend and pretty unique in that aspect. NFL is a matchup league and the worst thing you can do is try to be like everyone else. Based on what BB was doing in NE for years it wouldn’t shock me at all. I’d love it, but I’d imagine many here would go bonkers. I love the idea and love the player even more. Don’t reach for need and add talent in the draft and Pitts certainly is that. Personally I think the only time to reach for need in draft is offensive line because without one you are toast outside of a couple guys at QB that can make it work stacked with some skill player. Everything else can be schemed around.
may be the best football player in this draft. He is a total
nightmare to deal with at the college level.
He looks to have bounced back from that brutal cheap shot by Cine in the Georgia game. So I am still concerned about that concussion. But there is a lot to like here.
may be the best football player in this draft. He is a total
nightmare to deal with at the college level.
He looks to have bounced back from that brutal cheap shot by Cine in the Georgia game. So I am still concerned about that concussion. But there is a lot to like here.
Brutal cheap shot? Vicious hit for sure but he was trying to lead with his shoulder. It’s football and that certainly wasn’t cheap. In fact if Pitts doesn’t duck his head last second he’s probably fine.
may be the best football player in this draft. He is a total
nightmare to deal with at the college level.
He looks to have bounced back from that brutal cheap shot by Cine in the Georgia game. So I am still concerned about that concussion. But there is a lot to like here.
Brutal cheap shot? Vicious hit for sure but he was trying to lead with his shoulder. It’s football and that certainly wasn’t cheap. In fact if Pitts doesn’t duck his head last second he’s probably fine.
You're kidding, right? Cine definitely went for the kill. That's typical Cine.
Smart was a DB at Georgia and he's very old school and was probably grinning with joy under his mask.
I really have issues calling it a cheap shot. He was trying to lead
with his shoulder. Are they not supposed to hit anymore? It’s football and things happen fast. What annoys the hell out of me is they put the complete onus on the defense and time after time you see these offensive guys lowering their head. Not that Pitts could do anything about that, but I see RBs do it all the time and defenders are literally just expected to get speared out there. Cine should have went for knee I guess like Greg Williams is teaching his guys.
RE: I really have issues calling it a cheap shot. He was trying to lead
with his shoulder. Are they not supposed to hit anymore? It’s football and things happen fast. What annoys the hell out of me is they put the complete onus on the defense and time after time you see these offensive guys lowering their head. Not that Pitts could do anything about that, but I see RBs do it all the time and defenders are literally just expected to get speared out there. Cine should have went for knee I guess like Greg Williams is teaching his guys.
Cines came out of high school as a big hitter and that's continued at Georgia. And I'm okay with hitting, but that seemed a classic case of a player using his helmet as a weapon.
Initially my thoughts on drafting him would be - no
simply because he's a TE. but after reading about him and then watching some of his highlights I would be all in favor and be pretty ecstatic, but if the Giants were to make the playoffs the chances of him falling to us would be slim to nil.
RE: RE: I really have issues calling it a cheap shot. He was trying to lead
with his shoulder. Are they not supposed to hit anymore? It’s football and things happen fast. What annoys the hell out of me is they put the complete onus on the defense and time after time you see these offensive guys lowering their head. Not that Pitts could do anything about that, but I see RBs do it all the time and defenders are literally just expected to get speared out there. Cine should have went for knee I guess like Greg Williams is teaching his guys.
Cines came out of high school as a big hitter and that's continued at Georgia. And I'm okay with hitting, but that seemed a classic case of a player using his helmet as a weapon.
Well, I definitely disagree with that, as I think leading with the helmet is completely different, and honestly something you rarely see anymore. On the defensive side of the ball at least. Nobody bats an eye when they see Derrick Henry lower his head before contact using it as a weapon. Either way, I feel the same way about you on Pitts, I think there is an argument to be made he's the best player in the class. Something special about him.
Not for nothing, but seems like Pitts is a new BBI fav
We are just starting to see the benefits of playing better on the line of scrimmage (both sides of the ball). We need to continue in that direction.
Run the ball
Stop the run
Rush the passer
Win games
Drafting Pitts would certainly help us run the ball. With the new look offensive line and Saquon it would force teams to go man against us. Adding Pitts they wouldn't be able to do it as much as they certainly like as Engram, him, and Slayton would make them pay with chunk plays. Rush the passer should probably be replaced for football in 2020 with cover the backend and don't give running lanes to QB or let them buy significant extra time.
I don't know if you noticed this team offensively, but its severely stunted by not having an elite weapon in the passing game.
RE: RE: Not for nothing, but seems like Pitts is a new BBI fav
We are just starting to see the benefits of playing better on the line of scrimmage (both sides of the ball). We need to continue in that direction.
Run the ball
Stop the run
Rush the passer
Win games
The object is to score more points than the other team. Pitts would help us immensely in that department. Having TEs who are match-up problems in the NFL is a big plus. I think there is a good chance Pitts is that next problem for the NFL...
Never saw a coach invest as much draft capital at the position as Belichick has down through the years. So if Judge takes a page from his mentor and whispers in Gettleman's ear...
I'd rather one of the WR's from Alabama, Waddle or Smith. Then you'd have 2 major game breakers between Waddle/Smith and Barkley, with Shephard to help move the chains and Slayton as a complimentary piece.
about this guy. I turned on a Florida game a few weeks ago and was enamored with him. I know nothing about him as a blocker but he runs and catches like a receiver at 6'6. I almost wish he would come into the league strictly as a WR because he looks like he can be a freak at that position.
And yes, he should be a draft target of the NYG. Why?
Because he projects to being a great NFL talent, assuming his head is on straight.
Its a good thing we have Jimmy Googs around here to point out the very best players at their positions in the country to us dummies who haven't watched a down of NFL football!
RE: RE: I wish you guys would stop getting distracted by...
That’s some logic right there. I guess the Cardinals shouldn’t have gone for Murray after Rosen. The Jets shouldn’t have go Lawrence after Darnold. The Chargers shouldn’t have gone Herbert after Leaf. The Giants shouldn’t have gone Thomas after Flowers. Or Barkley after Wilson. Or JPP after Cedric Jones.
Pitts has the potential to be a special player and is far better a player than Engram ever was in college.
That’s some logic right there. I guess the Cardinals shouldn’t have gone for Murray after Rosen. The Jets shouldn’t have go Lawrence after Darnold. The Chargers shouldn’t have gone Herbert after Leaf. The Giants shouldn’t have gone Thomas after Flowers. Or Barkley after Wilson. Or JPP after Cedric Jones.
Pitts has the potential to be a special player and is far better a player than Engram ever was in college.
That's a fair point. I stand corrected. I just can't stand EE that somehow it colors how I think of things.
Any idea what his 40 time will be. I wonder about his speed although he did run away from several DBs in one of his TDs against Ole Miss.
If he in fact plays NFL fast, he has the chance to become the best TE of the next decade. Amazing that he is only a sophomore.
Pitts is a junior. That said, he has 9 more TDs more than Engram in his junior year so far. 11 TDs in 6 games vs SEC opponents this year. Averaging almost 18 yards a catch. Kid is unreal.
Wouldn’t be a bad option to go Pitts, edge, WR in first 3 rounds
RE: RE: Not for nothing, but seems like Pitts is a new BBI fav
And yes, he should be a draft target of the NYG. Why?
Because he projects to being a great NFL talent, assuming his head is on straight.
Its a good thing we have Jimmy Googs around here to point out the very best players at their positions in the country to us dummies who haven't watched a down of NFL football!
Here is tape of one game vs Ole Miss this year. 4 TDs. 2 of the TDs he was double covered. The 71 yard TD at 3:25 on the video is a must watch. Trask underthrew him too. Just incredible speed. You can see his great hands as well Link - ( New Window )
Can he block? Otherwise, running a 2-TE set with him and Engram doesn't seem optimal. If they want to replace Engram with him, that makes more sense. But I can't see the Giants adding a TE in Round 1 unless they think he is a pretty solid blocker.
if we could also get an elite blocking tight end. Run a bunch of three tight end sets, with Barkley, and read option with Jones. Play action. Forcing matchup nightmares. Would be fascinating.
He’s a great talent but at 240 (Engram’s weight) can he block
I want no part of any TE that can’t block the position. We’ve seen that show. He’s 3 inched taller than Engram but the same weight. I don’t know whether he can or can’t but that’s question one.
I think he's going to have a difficult time protecting himself in the NFL. Seems like a great talent though. Hopefully the Giants are focusing on speed edge rushers and physical fast ILBs with their premium picks not another TE.
Saw a media piece about him and weight and strength training
but the player I'm hoping drops to the Giants is Waddle from Bama. Really explosive player, reminds me of Tyreek Hill. I think he would do wonders for Daniel Jones and this offense. Phenomenal STs returner as well.
Into Pat Freiermuth than Pitts. Look around.the best TEs aren’t those Skinny H-Backs. Travis Kelce, George Kittle, Gronk, Hunter Henry, all bodied guys that line up inline (Kelce gets a good bit of split snaps but still.) I want a TE that’s an effective blocker.
but the player I'm hoping drops to the Giants is Waddle from Bama. Really explosive player, reminds me of Tyreek Hill. I think he would do wonders for Daniel Jones and this offense. Phenomenal STs returner as well.
check out Marquez Stevenson. That guy fricken FLIES.
Arguing about positional value, I think we need to talk about that here. Post Shockey, I became convinced TEs had little impact on building a winning football team. Explain to me why I’m wrong. I am all ears.
RE: Since we have spent 3 years since the Barkley pick
Arguing about positional value, I think we need to talk about that here. Post Shockey, I became convinced TEs had little impact on building a winning football team. Explain to me why I’m wrong. I am all ears.
Bill Belichick literally built his offensive scheme around Brady and Tight Ends. Doesn't matter what mediocre wide receivers and backs they had because of Gronk the offense humming along. The 49ers in the past decade haven't really had impressive wide receivers, but Kittle and Vernon Davis before him made the passing game dangerous. People always talk about all the weapons KC has, what receiver beyond Hill scares anyone? Kelce is the driving force behind that offense.
RE: Since we have spent 3 years since the Barkley pick
Arguing about positional value, I think we need to talk about that here. Post Shockey, I became convinced TEs had little impact on building a winning football team. Explain to me why I’m wrong. I am all ears.
Maybe you should ask him...
RE: RE: Since we have spent 3 years since the Barkley pick
Arguing about positional value, I think we need to talk about that here. Post Shockey, I became convinced TEs had little impact on building a winning football team. Explain to me why I’m wrong. I am all ears.
Bill Belichick literally built his offensive scheme around Brady and Tight Ends. Doesn't matter what mediocre wide receivers and backs they had because of Gronk the offense humming along. The 49ers in the past decade haven't really had impressive wide receivers, but Kittle and Vernon Davis before him made the passing game dangerous. People always talk about all the weapons KC has, what receiver beyond Hill scares anyone? Kelce is the driving force behind that offense.
You can make a good argument that Kelce is THE premier weapon on KC.
best offense, 2007, was not built around Brady and TE's.
It was built on Moss and Welker. Since then the offense has included Gronk and Hernandez but still was not built around Brady and TE's, it was built on mismatches. isolating players like Welker, Edelman, Amendola, etc. as much as exploiting the Gronk mismatch.
Belichick in the past decade hasn't drafted a TE higher than 3rd round and hasn't used a 1st on a TE in over 15 years.
which I'm otherwise on board with (even if not Pitts) is that EE is not a TE, never has been, thus to say we-re-up in Round 1 for a TE is only nominally true: he's a better Travis Beckum. To adamg's point, a talented, fast, good hands and good blocking TE could help DJ and the offense as much as a field stretching WR. Interesting divergences of opinion on Pitts here.
RE: Since we have spent 3 years since the Barkley pick
Arguing about positional value, I think we need to talk about that here. Post Shockey, I became convinced TEs had little impact on building a winning football team. Explain to me why I’m wrong. I am all ears.
You can certainly win without the dynamic TE. But when one is available, because they are always in short supply, it makes sense to grab one. The impact a great TE has between the hashes and, if he's really special, outside the numbers, is enormous. I could argue having a great TE is right behind a great QB in impact value for an offense.
RE: RE: Since we have spent 3 years since the Barkley pick
Arguing about positional value, I think we need to talk about that here. Post Shockey, I became convinced TEs had little impact on building a winning football team. Explain to me why I’m wrong. I am all ears.
You can certainly win without the dynamic TE. But when one is available, because they are always in short supply, it makes sense to grab one. The impact a great TE has between the hashes and, if he's really special, outside the numbers, is enormous. I could argue having a great TE is right behind a great QB in impact value for an offense.
nightmare to deal with at the college level.
He looks to have bounced back from that brutal cheap shot by Cine in the Georgia game. So I am still concerned about that concussion. But there is a lot to like here.
nightmare to deal with at the college level.
He looks to have bounced back from that brutal cheap shot by Cine in the Georgia game. So I am still concerned about that concussion. But there is a lot to like here.
Brutal cheap shot? Vicious hit for sure but he was trying to lead with his shoulder. It’s football and that certainly wasn’t cheap. In fact if Pitts doesn’t duck his head last second he’s probably fine.
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may be the best football player in this draft. He is a total
nightmare to deal with at the college level.
He looks to have bounced back from that brutal cheap shot by Cine in the Georgia game. So I am still concerned about that concussion. But there is a lot to like here.
Brutal cheap shot? Vicious hit for sure but he was trying to lead with his shoulder. It’s football and that certainly wasn’t cheap. In fact if Pitts doesn’t duck his head last second he’s probably fine.
You're kidding, right? Cine definitely went for the kill. That's typical Cine.
Smart was a DB at Georgia and he's very old school and was probably grinning with joy under his mask.
Cines came out of high school as a big hitter and that's continued at Georgia. And I'm okay with hitting, but that seemed a classic case of a player using his helmet as a weapon.
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with his shoulder. Are they not supposed to hit anymore? It’s football and things happen fast. What annoys the hell out of me is they put the complete onus on the defense and time after time you see these offensive guys lowering their head. Not that Pitts could do anything about that, but I see RBs do it all the time and defenders are literally just expected to get speared out there. Cine should have went for knee I guess like Greg Williams is teaching his guys.
Cines came out of high school as a big hitter and that's continued at Georgia. And I'm okay with hitting, but that seemed a classic case of a player using his helmet as a weapon.
Well, I definitely disagree with that, as I think leading with the helmet is completely different, and honestly something you rarely see anymore. On the defensive side of the ball at least. Nobody bats an eye when they see Derrick Henry lower his head before contact using it as a weapon. Either way, I feel the same way about you on Pitts, I think there is an argument to be made he's the best player in the class. Something special about him.
And yes, he should be a draft target of the NYG. Why?
Because he projects to being a great NFL talent, assuming his head is on straight.
We are just starting to see the benefits of playing better on the line of scrimmage (both sides of the ball). We need to continue in that direction.
Run the ball
Stop the run
Rush the passer
Win games
And yes, he should be a draft target of the NYG. Why?
Because he projects to being a great NFL talent, assuming his head is on straight.
I believe a few of us were kicking his name around in Aug/Sept...but thanks for bringing his name back up. ;)
We are just starting to see the benefits of playing better on the line of scrimmage (both sides of the ball). We need to continue in that direction.
Run the ball
Stop the run
Rush the passer
Win games
I am all in on Edge Rusher if you can tell me who is better than Pitts at that position.
We are just starting to see the benefits of playing better on the line of scrimmage (both sides of the ball). We need to continue in that direction.
Run the ball
Stop the run
Rush the passer
Win games
Drafting Pitts would certainly help us run the ball. With the new look offensive line and Saquon it would force teams to go man against us. Adding Pitts they wouldn't be able to do it as much as they certainly like as Engram, him, and Slayton would make them pay with chunk plays. Rush the passer should probably be replaced for football in 2020 with cover the backend and don't give running lanes to QB or let them buy significant extra time.
I don't know if you noticed this team offensively, but its severely stunted by not having an elite weapon in the passing game.
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since I mentioned him a few weeks ago. :- )
And yes, he should be a draft target of the NYG. Why?
Because he projects to being a great NFL talent, assuming his head is on straight.
I believe a few of us were kicking his name around in Aug/Sept...but thanks for bringing his name back up. ;)
Damn! I thought I was first to market while you clowns debated between Lawrence and Fields.
We are just starting to see the benefits of playing better on the line of scrimmage (both sides of the ball). We need to continue in that direction.
Run the ball
Stop the run
Rush the passer
Win games
The object is to score more points than the other team. Pitts would help us immensely in that department. Having TEs who are match-up problems in the NFL is a big plus. I think there is a good chance Pitts is that next problem for the NFL...
It may be a good thing that it's far from certain we'll be drafting outside of the top-10.
Plax - 6'6", 232
Kyle - 6'6", 239
If he in fact plays NFL fast, he has the chance to become the best TE of the next decade. Amazing that he is only a sophomore.
And ranked 13th on their big board as of November 3rd - ( New Window )
And yes, he should be a draft target of the NYG. Why?
Because he projects to being a great NFL talent, assuming his head is on straight.
Its a good thing we have Jimmy Googs around here to point out the very best players at their positions in the country to us dummies who haven't watched a down of NFL football!
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shiny objects...
We are just starting to see the benefits of playing better on the line of scrimmage (both sides of the ball). We need to continue in that direction.
Run the ball
Stop the run
Rush the passer
Win games
I am all in on Edge Rusher if you can tell me who is better than Pitts at that position.
I dont know ANYTHING about this draft class... zero
That’s some logic right there. I guess the Cardinals shouldn’t have gone for Murray after Rosen. The Jets shouldn’t have go Lawrence after Darnold. The Chargers shouldn’t have gone Herbert after Leaf. The Giants shouldn’t have gone Thomas after Flowers. Or Barkley after Wilson. Or JPP after Cedric Jones.
Pitts has the potential to be a special player and is far better a player than Engram ever was in college.
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I'll pass on a TE in the 1st for awhile.
That’s some logic right there. I guess the Cardinals shouldn’t have gone for Murray after Rosen. The Jets shouldn’t have go Lawrence after Darnold. The Chargers shouldn’t have gone Herbert after Leaf. The Giants shouldn’t have gone Thomas after Flowers. Or Barkley after Wilson. Or JPP after Cedric Jones.
Pitts has the potential to be a special player and is far better a player than Engram ever was in college.
That's a fair point. I stand corrected. I just can't stand EE that somehow it colors how I think of things.
If he in fact plays NFL fast, he has the chance to become the best TE of the next decade. Amazing that he is only a sophomore.
Pitts is a junior. That said, he has 9 more TDs more than Engram in his junior year so far. 11 TDs in 6 games vs SEC opponents this year. Averaging almost 18 yards a catch. Kid is unreal.
Wouldn’t be a bad option to go Pitts, edge, WR in first 3 rounds
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since I mentioned him a few weeks ago. :- )
And yes, he should be a draft target of the NYG. Why?
Because he projects to being a great NFL talent, assuming his head is on straight.
Its a good thing we have Jimmy Googs around here to point out the very best players at their positions in the country to us dummies who haven't watched a down of NFL football!
I don’t know about googs or any of that.
Except of course you being a dummy.
Link - ( New Window )
Plain and clearly, he shows the effort here when called upon but lacks good technique, particularly with hands.
He isn't Evan Engram blocking-bad but along that same zip code.
We already have a 1 dimensional TE on the team.
Maybe you should ask him...
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Arguing about positional value, I think we need to talk about that here. Post Shockey, I became convinced TEs had little impact on building a winning football team. Explain to me why I’m wrong. I am all ears.
Bill Belichick literally built his offensive scheme around Brady and Tight Ends. Doesn't matter what mediocre wide receivers and backs they had because of Gronk the offense humming along. The 49ers in the past decade haven't really had impressive wide receivers, but Kittle and Vernon Davis before him made the passing game dangerous. People always talk about all the weapons KC has, what receiver beyond Hill scares anyone? Kelce is the driving force behind that offense.
It was built on Moss and Welker. Since then the offense has included Gronk and Hernandez but still was not built around Brady and TE's, it was built on mismatches. isolating players like Welker, Edelman, Amendola, etc. as much as exploiting the Gronk mismatch.
Belichick in the past decade hasn't drafted a TE higher than 3rd round and hasn't used a 1st on a TE in over 15 years.
You can certainly win without the dynamic TE. But when one is available, because they are always in short supply, it makes sense to grab one. The impact a great TE has between the hashes and, if he's really special, outside the numbers, is enormous. I could argue having a great TE is right behind a great QB in impact value for an offense.
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Arguing about positional value, I think we need to talk about that here. Post Shockey, I became convinced TEs had little impact on building a winning football team. Explain to me why I’m wrong. I am all ears.
You can certainly win without the dynamic TE. But when one is available, because they are always in short supply, it makes sense to grab one. The impact a great TE has between the hashes and, if he's really special, outside the numbers, is enormous. I could argue having a great TE is right behind a great QB in impact value for an offense.
+1
Talk about the blind squirrel and a nut...