Keep Tomlinson. Williams is part of what can be an insane DL for years. Been 10 years since this team had young guys who deserved second contracts. Can they for once re-sign them
Nothing has changed - he has been the same exact player. This year the sacks are showing up. He has always been disruptive
Exactly. Williams may be going way past his average for sacks per year, but he's never been as 'bad' at getting the QB as most would have you think before now.
Is he playing better in this system? Absolutely.
However, it's not night/day. He's always been high value, now it's just truly top 5 high value. He's playing like peak JPP right now.
...doesn't mean it was a good decision. I realize that some people have a problem with this concept.
Gary come on. People blast the GM all over the planet when things go wrong, when the players you acquire help you win football games it was the right move.
LW is getting there but he's certainly benefiting from terrific pass coverage and schemes.
So I'm still reluctant paying a guy LW top market dollar -in his contract year - when I see what Graham is producing with this entire defense at every level.
RE: Just because something has a positive outcome...
...doesn't mean it was a good decision. I realize that some people have a problem with this concept.
Terrible take. Absolutely horrendous.
His numbers were off and he was expecting a contract. The effort and availability were there, so our GM traded a 3rd for him and because of that we were afforded the right to franchise him this year to see if he figured it out unstead of waiting till FA to throw a huge contract at a guy who hasnt produced.
Having elite edge rushers isn't even close to necessary anymore. These QBs are too mobile. It's realy simple, get decent rush across the line and mush rush the QB, especially these shorter mobile guys If you get really good interior pressure its a big plus and stay disciplined on the line. This was a fucking marvel to watch today. Cover the back end, And these guys are so fucking disciplined, its a wonder to see. We'll see the same exact game plan next week.
LW is getting there but he's certainly benefiting from terrific pass coverage and schemes.
So I'm still reluctant paying a guy LW top market dollar -in his contract year - when I see what Graham is producing with this entire defense at every level.
That’s the same with every player and position. On his own, anyone sucks. Ut give him ten other guys and....
RE: RE: Just because something has a positive outcome...
Having elite edge rushers isn't even close to necessary anymore. These QBs are too mobile. It's realy simple, get decent rush across the line and mush rush the QB, especially these shorter mobile guys If you get really good interior pressure its a big plus and stay disciplined on the line. This was a fucking marvel to watch today. Cover the back end, And these guys are so fucking disciplined, its a wonder to see. We'll see the same exact game plan next week.
We don't agree on a lot, but I am with you on this. PRBC works if you have the back-end talent to cover. And right now we do...This is precisely how Belichick has coached New England the last decade.
Find under-valued assets like Van Noy and Ninkovitch, have tough LBs, and have good cover guys.
was way over the top. He’s young. He was never accused of being lazy. He brings it 100%..
The problem is that we could have simply signed him as a FA. 2019 Jets FA Leonard Williams wildest dreams contract would have been far far less than what we will need to pay him now. Why on earth people would rather pay Williams anything he wants now versus paying him a mediocre contract and using the savings for another player is beyond me.
Then get some edge rushers -- he'll be even better.
This begins the Hog Mollie Era. Submit, or be slaughtered
It was a shot and DG hit on it.
Love it!!!
Winning solves a lot of problems. I hope he has a long and productive future as a Giant! He certainly looks like he is having fun. So are WE!
Winning solves a lot of problems. I hope he has a long and productive future as a Giant! He certainly looks like he is having fun. So are WE!
No offense, but dumb comment. Effort was always there and he plays 2 ways. Fucking starting to kick some ass.
This was always my problem with the complaining. It was a 3rd round pick and seriously, people reacted like we gave up a first rounder for the guy.
What other FA do they have to sign who contributes as much?
Give him the money...he is Richard Seymour with quickness and pass rush moves.
Exactly. Williams may be going way past his average for sacks per year, but he's never been as 'bad' at getting the QB as most would have you think before now.
Is he playing better in this system? Absolutely.
However, it's not night/day. He's always been high value, now it's just truly top 5 high value. He's playing like peak JPP right now.
Him and Lawrence together are utterly disruptive.
Gary come on. People blast the GM all over the planet when things go wrong, when the players you acquire help you win football games it was the right move.
Refreshing.
Pay him
Pay him
What/who did they think there core was going to be?
What/who did they think there core was going to be?
sorry - "Their core". not "there core"
So I'm still reluctant paying a guy LW top market dollar -in his contract year - when I see what Graham is producing with this entire defense at every level.
I’m 100% with you. Totally agree and we’re all going to be pissed in the spring when we don’t have that 5th round pick. What a waste.
Terrible take. Absolutely horrendous.
His numbers were off and he was expecting a contract. The effort and availability were there, so our GM traded a 3rd for him and because of that we were afforded the right to franchise him this year to see if he figured it out unstead of waiting till FA to throw a huge contract at a guy who hasnt produced.
Give it up.
Having elite edge rushers isn't even close to necessary anymore. These QBs are too mobile. It's realy simple, get decent rush across the line and mush rush the QB, especially these shorter mobile guys If you get really good interior pressure its a big plus and stay disciplined on the line. This was a fucking marvel to watch today. Cover the back end, And these guys are so fucking disciplined, its a wonder to see. We'll see the same exact game plan next week.
Great reference.
So I'm still reluctant paying a guy LW top market dollar -in his contract year - when I see what Graham is producing with this entire defense at every level.
That’s the same with every player and position. On his own, anyone sucks. Ut give him ten other guys and....
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...doesn't mean it was a good decision. I realize that some people have a problem with this concept.
I’m 100% with you. Totally agree and we’re all going to be pissed in the spring when we don’t have that 5th round pick. What a waste.
😂🤣
Ugggggghhhhhh....unbearable
Having elite edge rushers isn't even close to necessary anymore. These QBs are too mobile. It's realy simple, get decent rush across the line and mush rush the QB, especially these shorter mobile guys If you get really good interior pressure its a big plus and stay disciplined on the line. This was a fucking marvel to watch today. Cover the back end, And these guys are so fucking disciplined, its a wonder to see. We'll see the same exact game plan next week.
We don't agree on a lot, but I am with you on this. PRBC works if you have the back-end talent to cover. And right now we do...This is precisely how Belichick has coached New England the last decade.
Find under-valued assets like Van Noy and Ninkovitch, have tough LBs, and have good cover guys.
The problem is that we could have simply signed him as a FA. 2019 Jets FA Leonard Williams wildest dreams contract would have been far far less than what we will need to pay him now. Why on earth people would rather pay Williams anything he wants now versus paying him a mediocre contract and using the savings for another player is beyond me.