You are the same arrogant jackass that spent several months referring to posters as "Luddites" because they didn't buy your line of bullshit on analytics.
Oh, what a surprise? Repeating the same lines you always do?
Sorry not playing today. Luddite was too generous. You are just a POS.
Is there an off setting on your troll switch? Even the castrated version of you is very unpleasant. I guess that's the only way you've ever surprised me.
Is it because you are so arrogant that you think my main reason for posting is to go after you??
With each passing week where you try to work in posts about analytics, two things become increasingly obvious.
1) Your need to inject analytics into discussions - even where they don't apply is borderlining on an obsession
2) The take that the Giants have their heads up their asses regarding analytics is becoming more and more a figment of your imagination.
And if you think I'm neutered - you might want it to stay that way - I've talked to a few teams who have been approached by a jackass peddling Madden simulations as "analytics". And by George, you really don't want me to go there.
You came on this thread solely to take a potshot at me while I'm trying to have a perfectly respectful discussion with a number of people. I guess you felt justified because I called out another poster for coming onto what was a very nice a civil discussion for the sole purpose of calling another poster stupid.
Maybe think about how noble your crusade to protect the board and the Giants is when this is how you exist.
Is it because you are so arrogant that you think my main reason for posting is to go after you??
With each passing week where you try to work in posts about analytics, two things become increasingly obvious.
1) Your need to inject analytics into discussions - even where they don't apply is borderlining on an obsession
2) The take that the Giants have their heads up their asses regarding analytics is becoming more and more a figment of your imagination.
And if you think I'm neutered - you might want it to stay that way - I've talked to a few teams who have been approached by a jackass peddling Madden simulations as "analytics". And by George, you really don't want me to go there.
Excuse me? This sounds like a threat? You know what you are doing.
I have talked to teams but you know very little about me other than that and I'm not pedaling anything, not even close to my primary job. And I work with a lot of different industries about predicting stuff so yeah. Sorry one of my many forays into a non-core business of mine in predictive analytics is unimpressive to you.
You aren't as clever as you think. I'm not taking the bait revealing what you did, but it has nothing to do with Madden simulations, which couldn't be further from what I'm doing.
and he just keeps coming at me. And 1 in every 20 times I respond.
Talk to him. He's like many years my senior and he can keep taking shots at me and I'm expected to not respond when he can't even remotely control himself?
I've been on this thread to talk football, he came on just to insult me, do you not see the difference there?
RE: RE: RE: RE: We need to get rid of all our good players because we will have to
Our defense just had its best performance in years and people are talking about letting the guy go, that glues the whole thing together, over for 1 or 2 million a year?
This isn't Madden. People are hilarious. You act like you are professional capologists. (I invent words.) You set up ab imaginary deal and put up a big red line in the proverbial sand and proclaim, a penny more and I let him walk. I am laughing at you.
We have been the worst team in football for 3 years and you guys want to run the players out of town that are bringing us back from the ledge because you have decided you are some kind of cap guru. I think some of you are so used to being miserable that it has become your comfortable.
We don't have to worry about this today.
Today it is December 9th.
We are playing meaningful games.
We appear to be ascending as a team.
Let's keep the team together, if only in our heads.
Agreed this LW debate is actually a quantitative debate. Everyone would want him on the team for $7mm per, no one would want him for $30mm. So it’s really a question of what your walk away number is. Mine is 20, although I suspect LW won’t get that due to the cap declining in 2021.
about the enlightened self interest of the parties involved.
Not so much what amount but when to make the deal and how to structure it
The way to lower risk and increase whatever leverage they may possibly have for the NYG is to sign as late as possible but before FA and the draft so they have replacement optionality
Since they have to deliver guaranteed dollars in any circumstances, another transition tag in return for another year into the prime of a guy who maybe overpricing himself maybe a undesirable but acceptable tradeoff allowing two restocking seasons to keep a dominant DL.
When the event takes place for LW and for the NYG is not something we discuss that often. And for all we know, the negotiations might be very healthy. Starting last year they may have said: " We want to pay you like an elite DL but we need to see it first. Lets give you a shot to show us (and the NFL)"
Or they could be stubborn, factless, petty and difficult conversation such that we like the player but not the agent/family dynamics that come with it.
Beats me. Notice both sides have been good at keeping relatively silent in the media. So far. Unusually so. imo.
The Giants have never shown themselves incapable of retaining top talent due to financials. It seems like it's more of a LW thing than a Giants thing imo.
One more tag year may be the optimal thing indeed, especially if he's asking ridiculous money.
Plenty of factors point to both sides benefiting from a long term deal:
1) 2021 is NFL year 7 for Williams, how many defensive lineman entering year 8 hit top of market long term dollars?
2) The 1.25x accelerator gets his tender to 19M. This is fruit of calculations and agreements assuming a rising cap. 19M against a 175M cap isn’t part of the projection.
3) Top tackles not named Donald get 40M guaranteed at signing in exchange for little to no money guaranteed after 2 years. Years 3&4 are fixed price future options. Why would the Giants pay 19M for 1, when 40M gets you 2 and your choice of 3 & 4?
You are the same arrogant jackass that spent several months referring to posters as "Luddites" because they didn't buy your line of bullshit on analytics.
Is there an off setting on your troll switch? Even the castrated version of you is very unpleasant. I guess that's the only way you've ever surprised me.
Byeeeeee
Still no victor.
Its like watching Butterbean vs Bob Sapp.
Entertaining for a few seconds, but basically, nothing more than 2 old guys two guys breathing heavy and clinching.
You guys dislike each other.
Thinks the other is an asshole.
Both incapable of letting it go.
All of us get it.
Do the two of you?
Is it because you are so arrogant that you think my main reason for posting is to go after you??
With each passing week where you try to work in posts about analytics, two things become increasingly obvious.
1) Your need to inject analytics into discussions - even where they don't apply is borderlining on an obsession
2) The take that the Giants have their heads up their asses regarding analytics is becoming more and more a figment of your imagination.
And if you think I'm neutered - you might want it to stay that way - I've talked to a few teams who have been approached by a jackass peddling Madden simulations as "analytics". And by George, you really don't want me to go there.
Maybe think about how noble your crusade to protect the board and the Giants is when this is how you exist.
Still no victor.
Its like watching Butterbean vs Bob Sapp.
Entertaining for a few seconds, but basically, nothing more than 2 old guys two guys breathing heavy and clinching.
You guys dislike each other.
Thinks the other is an asshole.
Both incapable of letting it go.
All of us get it.
Do the two of you?
Look, I've been perfectly pleasant on this thread and he just came to stir up shit.
Oblivious.
Is it because you are so arrogant that you think my main reason for posting is to go after you??
With each passing week where you try to work in posts about analytics, two things become increasingly obvious.
1) Your need to inject analytics into discussions - even where they don't apply is borderlining on an obsession
2) The take that the Giants have their heads up their asses regarding analytics is becoming more and more a figment of your imagination.
And if you think I'm neutered - you might want it to stay that way - I've talked to a few teams who have been approached by a jackass peddling Madden simulations as "analytics". And by George, you really don't want me to go there.
Excuse me? This sounds like a threat? You know what you are doing.
I have talked to teams but you know very little about me other than that and I'm not pedaling anything, not even close to my primary job. And I work with a lot of different industries about predicting stuff so yeah. Sorry one of my many forays into a non-core business of mine in predictive analytics is unimpressive to you.
Sounds like the truth of peddling Madden simulations hits a little too close to home. I hope it isn't you, because the feedback isn't positive.
Lest you go and threaten slander again to the mods.
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Round nine hundred seventy two.
Still no victor.
Its like watching Butterbean vs Bob Sapp.
Entertaining for a few seconds, but basically, nothing more than 2 old guys two guys breathing heavy and clinching.
You guys dislike each other.
Thinks the other is an asshole.
Both incapable of letting it go.
All of us get it.
Do the two of you?
Look, I've been perfectly pleasant on this thread and he just came to stir up shit.
Again.
It's old.
Not that either of you care, but I enjoy both of you. You both have meaningful things to say.
Let it go.
Ignore each other for all of us.
Please?
Talk to him. He's like many years my senior and he can keep taking shots at me and I'm expected to not respond when he can't even remotely control himself?
I've been on this thread to talk football, he came on just to insult me, do you not see the difference there?
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pay them more. Thats how you build a team.
Specious argument. Put some bones on it, at least.
What kind of bones are you looking for?
Plenty have added the bones, intelligently, including in this thread.
Agreed - that's why I was curious what you were looking for.
This isn't Madden. People are hilarious. You act like you are professional capologists. (I invent words.) You set up ab imaginary deal and put up a big red line in the proverbial sand and proclaim, a penny more and I let him walk. I am laughing at you.
We have been the worst team in football for 3 years and you guys want to run the players out of town that are bringing us back from the ledge because you have decided you are some kind of cap guru. I think some of you are so used to being miserable that it has become your comfortable.
We don't have to worry about this today.
Today it is December 9th.
We are playing meaningful games.
We appear to be ascending as a team.
Let's keep the team together, if only in our heads.
For a few minutes at least?
FFS.
Join any thread you want or not.
Oblivious.
You're not very intelligent or interesting.Remember when you and Stan said it was a horrible investment at $3K 😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣
I'm sure you are smart enough to appreciate the exercise of building a competitive team within the confines of a hard cap.
So it seems like a reasonable debate with LW on how to pay this "good player" a price that is beneficial to both player and team.
True?
Not so much what amount but when to make the deal and how to structure it
The way to lower risk and increase whatever leverage they may possibly have for the NYG is to sign as late as possible but before FA and the draft so they have replacement optionality
Since they have to deliver guaranteed dollars in any circumstances, another transition tag in return for another year into the prime of a guy who maybe overpricing himself maybe a undesirable but acceptable tradeoff allowing two restocking seasons to keep a dominant DL.
When the event takes place for LW and for the NYG is not something we discuss that often. And for all we know, the negotiations might be very healthy. Starting last year they may have said: " We want to pay you like an elite DL but we need to see it first. Lets give you a shot to show us (and the NFL)"
Or they could be stubborn, factless, petty and difficult conversation such that we like the player but not the agent/family dynamics that come with it.
Beats me. Notice both sides have been good at keeping relatively silent in the media. So far. Unusually so. imo.
One more tag year may be the optimal thing indeed, especially if he's asking ridiculous money.
1) 2021 is NFL year 7 for Williams, how many defensive lineman entering year 8 hit top of market long term dollars?
2) The 1.25x accelerator gets his tender to 19M. This is fruit of calculations and agreements assuming a rising cap. 19M against a 175M cap isn’t part of the projection.
3) Top tackles not named Donald get 40M guaranteed at signing in exchange for little to no money guaranteed after 2 years. Years 3&4 are fixed price future options. Why would the Giants pay 19M for 1, when 40M gets you 2 and your choice of 3 & 4?