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DJones vs. Josh Allen, year 2

5BowlsSoon : 12/30/2020 9:52 am
Allen:
58%
3089 yards
20 TDs
9 Interceptions
14 fumbles
47.9 QBR
85.3 Rate


Jones:
62%
2714 yards
9 tds
9 int
10 fumbles
QBR 63.3
Rate 78.9

Conclusion: as you can see, Allen wasn’t really any better except in TD passes thrown. I didn’t show this but I’m sure Josh Allen scored more tds with his legs too.

The point I want to make is simply this.....Josh Allen took off in year 3, not year 2. Sure his team won 10 games in year 2 while Jones probably wins 6. But Allen’s team primarily won because of their top tier defense, which Jones doesn’t have.

Allen took off when the Bills got him STEFON DIGGS, a true #1 receiver. Let’s watch and then judge Jones if and when we can get him such a toy to play with. Oh, I also think it would help Jones greatly to give him an OC who is creative and not old school like Garrett. After all, Jones did throw for 24 tds and over 300 yards often as a rookie in Shurmur’s offense.
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Honestly  
Thegratefulhead : 12/30/2020 1:19 pm : link
Please watch a decent amount of Allen. I would give a finger for that to be in Giant blue. His talent jumps off the screen. The elusiveness, the arm, the power. Please don't talk about the stats or compare years. Use your eyes. You have been watching football since you were a kid. These players do not compare. At all. Reminds me of Bert Jones. That good.
I really beg some of you all to stop these threads  
LBH15 : 12/30/2020 1:20 pm : link
of talking up Daniel Jones in your minds by using flawed comparisons to Josh Allen.

These have gone viral on BBI now for the last couple weeks and I haven't seen one that has even remotely hit their intended mark yet.

These threads have become as ridiculous as the comparisons some on BBI like to entertain on Aaron Rodgers vs Eli Manning from time to time when they get nostalgic.
RE: Another point, regarding Gettleman...  
BH28 : 12/30/2020 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15099470 Go Terps said:
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Gettleman put together the surrounding roster, which everyone says completely sucks and is dragging Jones down. Gettleman failed abysmally at assembling the roster.

That's fine. I agree with that. Gettleman should be fired with prejudice for the players he put around Jones.

Gettleman also drafted Jones. Why should we think he got it right with Jones when he got it so wrong everywhere else? Doesn't it seem more logical that both the surrounding players AND Jones stink, considering they were all brought in under the same pathetic, incompetent, dipshit of a GM?

Many of you are placing faith in Daniel Jones, and for the life of me I can't understand it.


There is no logical reason Gettleman should be brought back. If you are on team 'DJ needs weapons' then DG has absolutely failed to surround a QB with the tools he needs to succeed. If you are on team 'DJ is a bust' then DG needs to go for picking him 6th.

Either way, the common denominator is DG.
RE: gidie  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/30/2020 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15099478 Go Terps said:
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There isn't a 3 year old on earth that's been alive to see the Giants win 6 games in a season.

What you don't know could fill a fucking book, man. You're not someone whose posts I seek out.


Once again twisting and contorting the facts to suit your view of the word -- if you are not seeking out my posts -- why are you reading and responding to them? Your comments on their face lack credibility
RE: RE: I still haven't seen anyone answer yes to this question  
Scooter185 : 12/30/2020 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15099392 jestersdead said:
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In comment 15099382 Go Terps said:


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If Daniel Jones were a UDFA instead of the 6th pick overall, is he the starter going into training camp 2021?


My answer, no and if that was the case, the Giants would have drafted Herbert last year. The Giants will wait a year too long before deciding to move on from Jones and will set the team back another 4 years


Waiting a year too long is the Giants MO
Hopefully jones throws 5 tds Sunday  
djm : 12/30/2020 1:52 pm : link
And “skews” his numbers. Some here would spin it that way don’t deny it.

Anyway, hopefully he throws 5 tds Sunday.
Oh Danny Boy  
Sammo85 : 12/30/2020 1:53 pm : link
The fans are calling for your head.
RE: Hopefully jones throws 5 tds Sunday  
Go Terps : 12/30/2020 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15099529 djm said:
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And “skews” his numbers. Some here would spin it that way don’t deny it.

Anyway, hopefully he throws 5 tds Sunday.


I hope so. I want a fucking home playoff game.

I've been DYING to like Jones. DYING. I'm waiting for a reason.
RE: This isn’t really a Jones conversation  
djm : 12/30/2020 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15099214 Mike from Ohio said:
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What Jones does or does not do next year is completely independent of Josh Allen.

If you believe Jones will make a massive improvement next year that’s fine. It may absolutely happen. But Josh Allen is not a precedent to point to which informs us about that likelihood.


This this and more this. Every situation is different yet all we do here is conjure up some other qb in some other city. Comparing jones to one qb to fit into a narrative is just fucking stupid. Compare him to the history of the nfl QB is how this works but for some it’s way too difficult and complicated. Take the easy low hanging fruit route and blast DJ and DJ while you’re at it. So much easier. And stupid. And worthless.
RE: RE: Hopefully jones throws 5 tds Sunday  
djm : 12/30/2020 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15099534 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15099529 djm said:


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And “skews” his numbers. Some here would spin it that way don’t deny it.

Anyway, hopefully he throws 5 tds Sunday.



I hope so. I want a fucking home playoff game.

I've been DYING to like Jones. DYING. I'm waiting for a reason.


It really is all about this. We need to win big games. We need to see how jones can do in a big game when everything is imperfect around him but right there for the taking. I don’t care about 5 wins or 8 wins or what happened last week. I care about Sunday.

It’s all right there for us. Go out and prove something even it’s it’s just one game against an average Dallas team. We have a chance to end the season on a winning note, wash away the last 3 games to some extent.

I don’t know, maybe I’m putting way too much on this coming game but I am placing a lot on Sunday. I think it’s fair to do so.
And I agree terps  
djm : 12/30/2020 2:05 pm : link
There’s nothing wrong with being concerned with jones. Nothing. As a matter of fact it would be wrong to be completely sold on jones and even judge is likely not there no matter what he says. He surely likes jones. Likely “believes” jones is the guy, but judge isn’t stupid.

This game would help me go a long way to liking jones if he simply wins the game while helping the cause.
RE: I really beg some of you all to stop reading these threads!  
5BowlsSoon : 12/30/2020 2:22 pm : link
In comment 15099490 LBH15 said:
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of talking up Daniel Jones in your minds by using flawed comparisons to Josh Allen.

These have gone viral on BBI now for the last couple weeks and I haven't seen one that has even remotely hit their intended mark yet.

These threads have become as ridiculous as the comparisons some on BBI like to entertain on Aaron Rodgers vs Eli Manning from time to time when they get nostalgic.


I really beg some of you to go whine on another thread that suits your interests and stay away from our threads. Obviously some of us want to discuss this and we don’t see these comparisons as flawed.

Isn’t there enough I hate DG threads for you to dump on?
This is like the whole Eli vs Big Ben argument  
GManinDC : 12/30/2020 2:29 pm : link
who had a better team?

who had better weapons?

who had better coaching?



The shit is getting old..

Giving Jones a third year is fine..  
Sean : 12/30/2020 2:30 pm : link
Unless the Giants are blown away with a QB prospect in the spring, I’m fine running it back with Jones. My concern is overpaying Jones. This is what I want to see:

1. Stronger back up QB next year due to his durability concerns.
2. A true honest evaluation of Jones after the season. The only way Jones should get significant second contract money is if he’s a game changer who makes all of his teammates better. Not someone who manages the game, that can be replaced via the draft.

After next year, we will have more than enough of a sample size to see what kind of player this is.

As for Jones, how about going out there and having another Tampa type game from *last* year. Keep eyes down the field, extend the play and move the ball down field. I’ll even take a repeat of the second Philly game where Jones had a very efficient game.

How about Jones carry the Giants to a win Sunday? Is that fair?
RE: Honestly  
5BowlsSoon : 12/30/2020 2:32 pm : link
In comment 15099486 Thegratefulhead said:
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Please watch a decent amount of Allen. I would give a finger for that to be in Giant blue. His talent jumps off the screen. The elusiveness, the arm, the power. Please don't talk about the stats or compare years. Use your eyes. You have been watching football since you were a kid. These players do not compare. At all. Reminds me of Bert Jones. That good.


Are you dense? How can you say there can be no comparison here? Why can’t we compare Jones with Allen after both second years? After last year, I didn’t hear anyone saying Allen is an all pro. I posted his numbers....do they look great? No, it has only been because of Allen’s performance this year that he is now getting all this recognition....certainly not after years 1 and 2.

Other than his rushing yards and rushing tds, his passing was mediocre. So, I see no reason why a comparison can be made to show similarity with Jones and to show year 3 could also be year Jones takes off....if he gets a STEFON Diggs and has a bona fide OC.
Bills defense isn’t better than NYG  
KWALL2 : 12/30/2020 2:34 pm : link
They’re OL this year had a lot of guys out. Overall, not very good OL. Running backs are average. Nothing at TE. The draft pick “Gabriel” offers very little. Slow 6th round pick. He had Diggs and a good slot WR this year. That’s it.

Allen is an MVP player. He’s carrying the team and making players only guys like Mahomes and Rodgers make. 2 weeks ago the Bills pull kumerow off the streets and Allen rips a TD to the guy that very few could make. He’s cut the next week, Allen makes the other guys better, it isn’t the other way around with a QB (hellO Goff) putting up numbers because of his teammates or scheme.

Jones? Had a promising rookie year but his talent doesn’t compare to Allen. This year was awful but they should give him more time. Give him one more year. Use the resources to get the guy some talent around him for 2021.



I’m curious what BBI thinks of Trubisky..  
Sean : 12/30/2020 2:36 pm : link
What should the Bears do with him? They have a winning record with him and his numbers aren’t bad.

If you don’t think Trubisky should be resigned, I assume the view would be the same with Jones in 1-2 years.
Why?  
Carl in CT : 12/30/2020 2:39 pm : link
It’s easy folks so stop over analyzing. He has blockers and receivers. Until we do Jones will have problems. If he had Diggs we would be a lot different.
Allen in the red zone  
KWALL2 : 12/30/2020 2:42 pm : link
60+ TDS. No INT.

Also, Allen in year 2 made a big jump. He took care of the ball, scro4d a lot more, offense was more efficient, and they won a lot of games. From 5 wins in ur 1 to 10 in year 2.

Year 2 for Jones was a clear regression even with the issues with surrounding talent. Jones was not a good player this year. No comparison to Allen at the same stage.

RE: Why?  
eric2425ny : 12/30/2020 2:43 pm : link
In comment 15099571 Carl in CT said:
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It’s easy folks so stop over analyzing. He has blockers and receivers. Until we do Jones will have problems. If he had Diggs we would be a lot different.


I’m not judging him until he has weapons. I mean Eli had Burress, Toomer, Shockey, Tiki Barber, and an excellent line in his second year. Not to mention a terrific defense featuring the likes of Michael Strahan and Osi. Same story with Josh Allen. They give him Diggs and Gabriel along with further development and coaching continuity and he made a huge leap in year 3.
RE: Bills defense isn’t better than NYG  
BelieveJJ : 12/30/2020 2:44 pm : link
In comment 15099567 KWALL2 said:
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Jones? Had a promising rookie year but his talent doesn’t compare to Allen. This year was awful but they should give him more time. Give him one more year. Use the resources to get the guy some talent around him for 2021.


Kev - what position(s) and players wiuld you target to put the right kind of talent around Jones?
RE: Bills defense isn’t better than NYG  
eric2425ny : 12/30/2020 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15099567 KWALL2 said:
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They’re OL this year had a lot of guys out. Overall, not very good OL. Running backs are average. Nothing at TE. The draft pick “Gabriel” offers very little. Slow 6th round pick. He had Diggs and a good slot WR this year. That’s it.

Allen is an MVP player. He’s carrying the team and making players only guys like Mahomes and Rodgers make. 2 weeks ago the Bills pull kumerow off the streets and Allen rips a TD to the guy that very few could make. He’s cut the next week, Allen makes the other guys better, it isn’t the other way around with a QB (hellO Goff) putting up numbers because of his teammates or scheme.

Jones? Had a promising rookie year but his talent doesn’t compare to Allen. This year was awful but they should give him more time. Give him one more year. Use the resources to get the guy some talent around him for 2021.




Gabriel Davis was a fourth round pick and has 6 TD’s this year. I’d say that’s a solid player.
RE: I’m curious what BBI thinks of Trubisky..  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/30/2020 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15099569 Sean said:
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What should the Bears do with him? They have a winning record with him and his numbers aren’t bad.

If you don’t think Trubisky should be resigned, I assume the view would be the same with Jones in 1-2 years.


It is a dilemma many teams face. They probably strongly think that he will not get them to a championship unless they have a superb defense or team around him and then it is still a big longshot. Picking someone new does not change that. Good players get old, hurt, etc. Then you are constantly firing coaches, GM's....there is a reason why so many teams never win a championship or haven't in a eternity...it is exceptionally hard and you need some luck.

Reid is a great example where it worked it. He recognized he had a good team and good but QB that was a longshot to go the distance and he made a bold move....extreme rarity that that move ever works out.

So two options you have but there is downsides to both cases I think.
One more...  
KWALL2 : 12/30/2020 2:47 pm : link
Allen in year 2; 29 TDs
Jones in year 2: 10 TDs

Both guys make an impact with their running, you should include the rushing TDs. Allen has 9 last year.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 12/30/2020 2:48 pm : link
Sean, I'd try to go after another QB if I were the Bears. Ryan/Stafford would be ideal, but maybe even a Wentz and a second day pick on a QB if you like that.
*if you like one  
BrettNYG10 : 12/30/2020 2:48 pm : link
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Have you watched Allen over the years?  
upnyg : 12/30/2020 2:48 pm : link
Allen looks very good this year. Last year he looked improved over year 1, but still made poor decisions. He has that "gamer" mentality.

If you watch his throws earlier, they were not that accurate in Y1 or Yr2. He's improved.

I think Jones looks more accurate when given time. He shows some of the same poor decisions that Allen did earlier. They both can run.

If Jones is going to go into a new year with another coordinator it will be hard to evaluate him. He needs consistency, like Allen, a good #1 WR and better health.

Let's see what he can do next year.
LOL  
KWALL2 : 12/30/2020 2:49 pm : link
He’s ‘solid” because of the QB. He doesn’t separate. Just a guy playing with a great qb who can buy time and rip the ball all over the field.
RE: I’m curious what BBI thinks of Trubisky..  
Go Terps : 12/30/2020 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15099569 Sean said:
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What should the Bears do with him? They have a winning record with him and his numbers aren’t bad.

If you don’t think Trubisky should be resigned, I assume the view would be the same with Jones in 1-2 years.


Trubisky is generally viewed as a miss, and not a very good player. Interesting to compare his four years to Jones's two:

Trubisky: 50 games (49 starts), 63.6% completions, 4.2% TD, 2.3% INT, .54 fumbles/game, 6.7 Y/A, 6.5 AY/A, 29-20 record as a starter

Jones: 26 games (25 starts), 62.0% completions, 3.7% TD, 2.4% INT, 1.08 fumbles/game, 6.5 Y/A, 6.2 AY/A, 7-18 record as a starter

The numbers speak for themselves.
Allen has more weapons than people seem to acknowledge  
eric2425ny : 12/30/2020 2:52 pm : link
1.) Stefon Diggs
2.) John Brown
3.) Cole Beasley
4.) Gabriel Davis

Here are Jones’ weapons:

1.) Old Golden Tate
2.) Evan “the Enigma” Engram
3.) Darius Slayton
4.) Sterling Shepard who can never stay healthy

And I’m pretty sure Singletary/Moss is equivalent or superior to Gallman/Morris. I mean Barkley has essentially missed the entire season so I’m not even including him in this.

I’m not saying Jones is better than Allen, or that he will be, but he’s flashed enough (particularly rookie year) to get a shot next year and probably in 2022 as well.
RE: Why?  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/30/2020 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15099571 Carl in CT said:
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It’s easy folks so stop over analyzing. He has blockers and receivers. Until we do Jones will have problems. If he had Diggs we would be a lot different.

Trubisky has Allen Robinson, how's he doing?
RE: LOL  
eric2425ny : 12/30/2020 2:55 pm : link
In comment 15099588 KWALL2 said:
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He’s ‘solid” because of the QB. He doesn’t separate. Just a guy playing with a great qb who can buy time and rip the ball all over the field.


6 TD’s for a fourth round rookie is pretty impressive. I don’t care who his QB is. I’m not calling him a JAG at this point. There are guys that play with Mahomes and Rodgers that are not putting up numbers like that.
BelieveJJ  
KWALL2 : 12/30/2020 2:59 pm : link
We need WR help. That’s clear to all. One guy I don’t want to pay for, and I see his name posted here, is Allen Robinson.

In FA, I would like Curtis Samuel, Galloway, and Chris Godwin.

Steelers will probably let Shuster go. You may be able to get him at a good price since his numbers are down. But he’s very young. He’s tough,

We need some size and speed. Galloway gets hurt a lot but he’s the ideal player for this team.

Josh Reynolds from the Rams could be a good bargain for a young player. He’s got some size too.
Brown is out all year.  
KWALL2 : 12/30/2020 3:00 pm : link
Davis is nothing. He has Diggs. And he’s ripping TDs to him that only 2-3 guys can throw,
RE: RE: I really beg some of you all to stop reading these threads!  
LBH15 : 12/30/2020 3:01 pm : link
In comment 15099555 5BowlsSoon said:
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In comment 15099490 LBH15 said:


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of talking up Daniel Jones in your minds by using flawed comparisons to Josh Allen.

These have gone viral on BBI now for the last couple weeks and I haven't seen one that has even remotely hit their intended mark yet.

These threads have become as ridiculous as the comparisons some on BBI like to entertain on Aaron Rodgers vs Eli Manning from time to time when they get nostalgic.



I really beg some of you to go whine on another thread that suits your interests and stay away from our threads. Obviously some of us want to discuss this and we don’t see these comparisons as flawed.

Isn’t there enough I hate DG threads for you to dump on?


Stay away from "our" threads?

And no, never enough DG threads to suit my taste.
RE: Brown is out all year.  
eric2425ny : 12/30/2020 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15099601 KWALL2 said:
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Davis is nothing. He has Diggs. And he’s ripping TDs to him that only 2-3 guys can throw,


Brown had 400 yards and 2 TD’s in the first half of the season. He also had 1,090 yards and 6 TD’s last year. He is hurt the rest of this year yes, but he’s better than any receiver on our team right now when he was healthy. Slayton may reach that point eventually.

Agree to disagree on Gabriel. That guy is going to be a solid #2 receiver for them for quite some time. He’s 6’2, 210 pounds and is a possession type receiver which is why he has so many TD’s. He’s not a burner who creates tons of separation.
Jones ‘ posts  
joeinpa : 12/30/2020 3:10 pm : link
Garner more interest than just about any other topic here, a good thing.

But trying to convince the doubters they shouldn’t speak with such certainty about Jones not being the guy is an exercise in futility

They rail against the “excuse makers” while at the same time jumping on every mistake Jones makes as evidence their narrative is correct, or jumping on every good play any other quarterback makes as more evidence that Jones stinks.

Me, I see the same mistakes made by Jones in other games, by quarterbacks all over the league

I see the athleticism of this guy, his arm, work ethic, demeanor, remember the struggle of Simms and Eli, and think, maybe he ll be the guy.

RE: Jones ‘ posts  
eric2425ny : 12/30/2020 3:14 pm : link
In comment 15099607 joeinpa said:
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Garner more interest than just about any other topic here, a good thing.

But trying to convince the doubters they shouldn’t speak with such certainty about Jones not being the guy is an exercise in futility

They rail against the “excuse makers” while at the same time jumping on every mistake Jones makes as evidence their narrative is correct, or jumping on every good play any other quarterback makes as more evidence that Jones stinks.

Me, I see the same mistakes made by Jones in other games, by quarterbacks all over the league

I see the athleticism of this guy, his arm, work ethic, demeanor, remember the struggle of Simms and Eli, and think, maybe he ll be the guy.


Well said. I think people forget how bad Simms and Eli looked early on. The Giants were 11-5 in Eli’s second year because of Tiki and the defense. That was a very strong roster that year.
One Game  
SgtDog : 12/30/2020 3:19 pm : link
Let me say I like Jones I hope he makes it. Put aside stats, strengths and character and ask how many times with the game on the line has Daniel Jones led the team to victory? I remember several times with the game on the line, his actions cost the game. But, I can only think of one game where he led the team to victory and unfortunately with that win the Giants lost Chase Young
RE: One Game  
eric2425ny : 12/30/2020 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15099615 SgtDog said:
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Let me say I like Jones I hope he makes it. Put aside stats, strengths and character and ask how many times with the game on the line has Daniel Jones led the team to victory? I remember several times with the game on the line, his actions cost the game. But, I can only think of one game where he led the team to victory and unfortunately with that win the Giants lost Chase Young


I agree to an extent, but there are two specific plays that come to mind this year that literally cost them games. 1.) Dipshit Engram dropping that perfect pass against the Eagles that would have sealed the game and 2.) that awful play call to throw a flat pass to Dion Lewis that should have been pass interference. That play call also exemplifies our weapons issue. The fact that our go to guy in that moment was Dion Lewis speaks volumes.
RE: RE: One Game  
rsjem1979 : 12/30/2020 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15099618 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 15099615 SgtDog said:


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Let me say I like Jones I hope he makes it. Put aside stats, strengths and character and ask how many times with the game on the line has Daniel Jones led the team to victory? I remember several times with the game on the line, his actions cost the game. But, I can only think of one game where he led the team to victory and unfortunately with that win the Giants lost Chase Young



I agree to an extent, but there are two specific plays that come to mind this year that literally cost them games. 1.) Dipshit Engram dropping that perfect pass against the Eagles that would have sealed the game and 2.) that awful play call to throw a flat pass to Dion Lewis that should have been pass interference. That play call also exemplifies our weapons issue. The fact that our go to guy in that moment was Dion Lewis speaks volumes.


That "awful play call" would have been an easy 2 point conversion if Jones had thrown the ball on time.
The Dion Lewis 2 pointer was a good play call  
Go Terps : 12/30/2020 3:26 pm : link
He was open. He was so open that an accurate but late throw would have been good enough. An inaccurate but on time throw would have been enough.

The throw was both late and inaccurate.
Here's the Lewis play  
Go Terps : 12/30/2020 3:33 pm : link
Awful from Jones. Awful.

This play is a good example of why he's been so poor in the redzone:

- The ball must be thrown when Lewis is at about the 2 yard line. Jones waits until Lewis is in the endzone.
- The ball must be thrown out in front of Lewis, leading him to the pylon. The ball is thrown to his back shoulder.

Indecisive. Inaccurate.
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Go Terps : 12/30/2020 3:33 pm : link
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Link - ( New Window )
RE: The Dion Lewis 2 pointer was a good play call  
eric2425ny : 12/30/2020 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15099624 Go Terps said:
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He was open. He was so open that an accurate but late throw would have been good enough. An inaccurate but on time throw would have been enough.

The throw was both late and inaccurate.


Relying on your third RB to catch a timing route with the game on the line doesn’t seem like the ideal play call. Regardless, it should have been pass interference anyway. The point is that I would like to see Jones have some weapons that teams have to account for in situations like that. Name one receiver that any defensive coordinator is afraid of on our team right now. That’s why we stall out in the red zone all the time.
RE: Another point, regarding Gettleman...  
joe48 : 12/30/2020 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15099470 Go Terps said:
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Gettleman put together the surrounding roster, which everyone says completely sucks and is dragging Jones down. Gettleman failed abysmally at assembling the roster.

That's fine. I agree with that. Gettleman should be fired with prejudice for the players he put around Jones.

Gettleman also drafted Jones. Why should we think he got it right with Jones when he got it so wrong everywhere else? Doesn't it seem more logical that both the surrounding players AND Jones stink, considering they were all brought in under the same pathetic, incompetent, dipshit of a GM?

Many of you are placing faith in Daniel Jones, and for the life of me I can't understand it.

So you don’t like DG but that has nothing to do with Jones. I read your posts regularly but how can you truly evaluate Jones when the supporting cast has won so little talent.
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Go Terps : 12/30/2020 3:41 pm : link
Dion Lewis is an 8 year veteran who entered this season with 172 receptions.

Watch the link I provided. Pause it at 14:31. Lewis is wide open...there are about 5 yards of separation between him and the TB safety. It was man coverage across the board.

Jones is supposed to throw his receivers open. On this crucial play he threw his receiver into coverage.
RE: RE: Another point, regarding Gettleman...  
eric2425ny : 12/30/2020 3:42 pm : link
In comment 15099634 joe48 said:
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In comment 15099470 Go Terps said:


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Gettleman put together the surrounding roster, which everyone says completely sucks and is dragging Jones down. Gettleman failed abysmally at assembling the roster.

That's fine. I agree with that. Gettleman should be fired with prejudice for the players he put around Jones.

Gettleman also drafted Jones. Why should we think he got it right with Jones when he got it so wrong everywhere else? Doesn't it seem more logical that both the surrounding players AND Jones stink, considering they were all brought in under the same pathetic, incompetent, dipshit of a GM?

Many of you are placing faith in Daniel Jones, and for the life of me I can't understand it.


So you don’t like DG but that has nothing to do with Jones. I read your posts regularly but how can you truly evaluate Jones when the supporting cast has won so little talent.


Their lack of talent at WR was obvious at draft time. But we couldn’t pass on a much needed offensive tackle to take CeeDee Lamb for example. It’s a shame we had so many needs because this was a good WR draft. Gettleman has followed the same model the Bills have been following (not surprising since the Bills GM used to work with him). Build up the offensive and defensive lines, get your QB and then get your playmakers. The only reason he took Barkley a few years ago is because Barkley was the best all around RB prospect to come out in a long time (before McCaffrey reached his current level).

Signings like Tate were just band aids to get us through the rebuild years. I’m sure they will be loading up at WR this offseason. Then we can really see what we have with Jones.
RE: .  
eric2425ny : 12/30/2020 3:43 pm : link
In comment 15099637 Go Terps said:
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Dion Lewis is an 8 year veteran who entered this season with 172 receptions.

Watch the link I provided. Pause it at 14:31. Lewis is wide open...there are about 5 yards of separation between him and the TB safety. It was man coverage across the board.

Jones is supposed to throw his receivers open. On this crucial play he threw his receiver into coverage.


I’ve seen the play a million times. I’m not saying that Jones couldn’t complete that pass, but I still think it’s a crap play call with the game on the line. I am personally not a big Dion Lewis fan, he’s like Shane Vereen part 2.
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ryanmkeane : 12/30/2020 3:45 pm : link
you're correct, that's a bad play from Jones. Hopefully he corrects this part of his game next season.

What I don't get is that you fail to realize he has played 25 NFL games. It's like you automatically think a kid who is 23 is supposed to be good at everything regarding the position of QB.

That play against Tampa, while bad, is not a reason to just say Jones won't be a very good NFL quarterback. If he's still doing that in year 3 or 4, then yes, he's going to be limited as a QB.

It's like saying a wide receiver who struggles early on can't be a great wide receiver. Same thing applies to Jones. You need to just relax and give it some fucking time man.
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