Give me one example of a coach taking out their QB in a close game when they are out of it bht in a competitive game with a team playing for something?
Give me one example
Apart from disrespecting his players (which I agree is terrible and reason enough not to do what he did), how is Pederson taking Hurts out of a close (but meaningless) game different from any coach resting their starters in an equally meaningless game when they're playoff bound?
He owes his own players something better, absolutely. But beyond that, what does he owe to anyone else?
Because there's something bigger at stake in a game where they're resting for the playoffs.
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Id be shocked if Pederson is ever a head coach again
I wonder what Tom Coughlin would say about Pederson...
Resting players before a playoff game is nothing like what Pederson did tonight..
Go look on Twitter and look at the outrage from around the NFL..
Pederson fucked himself tonight, if you are a player you dont want to play for a head coach like that, guarantee you hear of a lot of Eagles asking out..
Alright, for the fourth time, there are legitimate reasons to be mad at Pederson right now. But there are also illegitimate reasons. And I see a whole lot of people confusing the two.
From a purely unbiased, competitive standpoint, there's no meaningful difference between what Pederson did tonight and a coach resting his starters for the playoffs in a Week 17 game, when to play the starters would've given them a better chance of winning.
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Id be shocked if Pederson is ever a head coach again
Ouch.
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Resting players before a playoff game is nothing like what Pederson did tonight..
Go look on Twitter and look at the outrage from around the NFL..
Pederson fucked himself tonight, if you are a player you dont want to play for a head coach like that, guarantee you hear of a lot of Eagles asking out..
Alright, for the fourth time, there are legitimate reasons to be mad at Pederson right now. But there are also illegitimate reasons. And I see a whole lot of people confusing the two.
From a purely unbiased, competitive standpoint, there's no meaningful difference between what Pederson did tonight and a coach resting his starters for the playoffs in a Week 17 game, when to play the starters would've given them a better chance of winning.
No it is completely different and it something you dont seem to understand..
Resting players before a game is fine..
taking out your qb to start the 4th quarter in a close game is a slap in the face to the League..
way to go about things. When the Giants went all out against the 15-0 Patriots, Madden sent Coughlin a note thanking him. It is the way that fucking spineless coach should have gone about things, not like it was a scrimmage!
. The 24-7 sports media is full of ex players who are going to shit on him for a week. It will blow over for now but he’s toast. I hope Lurie keeps him. Would be good for the other NFC East teams
Pederson may want to be fired. There have been rumblings about that.
That just crossed my mind, there were rumors of that about a month ago. How insane would that be? I just cant see it.
It would be one of the craziest moves ever. That said, the reasons I heard were he would get another job when he was ready. Doing this would kill that.
Pederson may want to be fired. There have been rumblings about that.
That just crossed my mind, there were rumors of that about a month ago. How insane would that be? I just cant see it.
It would be one of the craziest moves ever. That said, the reasons I heard were he would get another job when he was ready. Doing this would kill that.
No it is completely different and it something you dont seem to understand..
Resting players before a game is fine..
taking out your qb to start the 4th quarter in a close game is a slap in the face to the League..
It's not completely different. In both cases, teams are putting aside the "win at any cost" mentality to satisfy different longer-term goals.
But when a playoff team rests their starters before a meaningless Week 17 game and they lose a game they may well have otherwise won, we don't see these sanctimonious types come out of the woodwork, shrieking about the integrity of the NFL's competitive ethic being pissed on.
Philly taking Hurts out made their players justifiably angry, but apart from that, why does Pederson not have the right to use a game like this to satisfy goals like seeing how his backup QB plays in a live-game situation against a quality defense?
No it is completely different and it something you dont seem to understand..
Resting players before a game is fine..
taking out your qb to start the 4th quarter in a close game is a slap in the face to the League..
It's not completely different. In both cases, teams are putting aside the "win at any cost" mentality to satisfy different longer-term goals.
But when a playoff team rests their starters before a meaningless Week 17 game and they lose a game they may well have otherwise won, we don't see these sanctimonious types come out of the woodwork, shrieking about the integrity of the NFL's competitive ethic being pissed on.
Philly taking Hurts out made their players justifiably angry, but apart from that, why does Pederson not have the right to use a game like this to satisfy goals like seeing how his backup QB plays in a live-game situation against a quality defense?
Because it is clear as day spit in the face of the integrity of the game and if you dont thinknao go read twitter..
This is not about the Giants, this is about Pederson spitting in the face of hisnplayers and thr NFL..
Having to get a look at a 27 year old journeyman is BS, tell me that was more inportant than seeing what Hurts could do in a close game in the 4th? how is that more important?
It was moronic on every level, no coach would of done that, If Burrows was healthy would you see the bengals bench Burrows today?
How about if the giants were out of it today and Judge took out Jones jn the 4th in a close game? would that make sense?
Jason Kelce in his media interview just slammed his organization for this. He was very passionate and very clear.
Can you link it?
I was wrong... it was a post game from a few weeks ago that someone posted on twitter as a response to tonight. But freaky, he seemed exactly like he was talking about what just happened. Expressed extreme disgust at the idea of a team not playing to win and trying to lose for draft position.
Joe Judge should print tshirts with Sudfeld's picture on it and a message reading "Let's not put ourselves in a position to count on this asshole in 2021."
Resting players before a playoff game is nothing like what Pederson did tonight..
Go look on Twitter and look at the outrage from around the NFL..
Pederson fucked himself tonight, if you are a player you dont want to play for a head coach like that, guarantee you hear of a lot of Eagles asking out..
Alright, for the fourth time, there are legitimate reasons to be mad at Pederson right now. But there are also illegitimate reasons. And I see a whole lot of people confusing the two.
From a purely unbiased, competitive standpoint, there's no meaningful difference between what Pederson did tonight and a coach resting his starters for the playoffs in a Week 17 game, when to play the starters would've given them a better chance of winning.
No it is completely different and it something you dont seem to understand..
Resting players before a game is fine..
taking out your qb to start the 4th quarter in a close game is a slap in the face to the League..
Thanks for spelling it out for him. I'm not sure he was understanding what just happened here. It's a slap in the place to the plyaers as well, just like Kelce made VERY clear.
RE: RE: RE: Collinsworth: I personally could not have done
what the Eagles did tonight. Basically slamming them for tanking a close game
later on, Al was only half joking with Cris saying "try not to get yourself fired tonight"
I was legitimately shocked Collinsworth said that. Certainly not the company line. I actually enjoy hom as a color guy but gained a lot of respect for him with that.
Interestingly, that was the second time a former pro/commentator was clearly pissed off on the air today.
In our game, when that jackass for Dallas Jourdan Lewis headbutted Kaden Smith - and then was laughing about it right after getting the penalty....Joe Buck asked Troy what he thought and I tell you what - that might have been the angriest I heard Troy Aikman sound when he said "I'd better not say what I think of that"
No it is completely different and it something you dont seem to understand..
Resting players before a game is fine..
taking out your qb to start the 4th quarter in a close game is a slap in the face to the League..
It's not completely different. In both cases, teams are putting aside the "win at any cost" mentality to satisfy different longer-term goals.
But when a playoff team rests their starters before a meaningless Week 17 game and they lose a game they may well have otherwise won, we don't see these sanctimonious types come out of the woodwork, shrieking about the integrity of the NFL's competitive ethic being pissed on.
Philly taking Hurts out made their players justifiably angry, but apart from that, why does Pederson not have the right to use a game like this to satisfy goals like seeing how his backup QB plays in a live-game situation against a quality defense?
Are you serious? In what world is it more important to see what your journeyman 27 year old backup QB who you've seen upclose for years who you keep signing to 1 year contracts because you don't think shit of him and having your possible next year guy get some crucial snaps in a divisional game thats tight going into the 4th is best for the football team. He lost because he wants to get a QB and knows that probably buys him another year. Meanwhile, he's a fucking idiot, he's probably going to get canned next year when his team inevitable McAdoo's him in the middle of the season.
I hope he’s here next year. I want the Giants to stomp his ass twice next year. That team will be a clusterfuck and I want them to fall into disarray with him at the helm.
. The 24-7 sports media is full of ex players who are going to shit on him for a week. It will blow over for now but he’s toast. I hope Lurie keeps him. Would be good for the other NFC East teams
They will kill him for the next week at least. To the point where he might actually get canned. Goddell is going peppered with "Does the NFL need a lottery system?" by everyone.
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Thanks for spelling it out for him. I'm not sure he was understanding what just happened here. It's a slap in the place to the plyaers as well, just like Kelce made VERY clear.
You're a dummy. I'm the one who's acknowledging that the Philly players had legit reasons to be pissed. But I'm also saying that everyone else's supposed reasons for being pissed are poorly reasoned nonsense.
. The 24-7 sports media is full of ex players who are going to shit on him for a week. It will blow over for now but he’s toast. I hope Lurie keeps him. Would be good for the other NFC East teams
They will kill him for the next week at least. To the point where he might actually get canned. Goddell is going peppered with "Does the NFL need a lottery system?" by everyone.
Which is the last thing they want. They were so happy w the last week meaning so much to a lot of teams and now all they will be talking about Pederson throwing a game.
Joe Judge should print tshirts with Sudfeld's picture on it and a message reading "Let's not put ourselves in a position to count on this asshole in 2021."
Joe Judge should print tshirts with Sudfeld's picture on it and a message reading "Let's not put ourselves in a position to count on this asshole in 2021."
I’ll buy one
This is a brilliant idea by Terps!
Don't discount the possibility he was ordered to do it
Pederson played 12 years in the NFL. He's been in NFL locker rooms, and would have to know what this would do to his team.
Did Howie Roseman play football?
I'm sure he was, because the stipulation was do it or you're fired. Probably didn't have much choice in the matter. Of course the front office is fucking clueless ran by geeks like Roseman that have no idea what this does to a lockerroom. This ship is going to be fun to watch burn and sink.
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Are you serious? In what world is it more important to see what your journeyman 27 year old backup QB who you've seen upclose for years who you keep signing to 1 year contracts because you don't think shit of him and having your possible next year guy get some crucial snaps in a divisional game thats tight going into the 4th is best for the football team. He lost because he wants to get a QB and knows that probably buys him another year. Meanwhile, he's a fucking idiot, he's probably going to get canned next year when his team inevitable McAdoo's him in the middle of the season.
Disagreeing with Pederson's logic in that moment is fine. I disagree with it too. But I'm not going around pretending that Pederson "owed it to the NFL" to keep Hurts in there. Every year, we see coaches make similar decisions - giving games away by putting lesser players out there.
Pederson owed something better to his players, definitely. But he doesn't owe anyone else anything. And my problem is that people seem to think otherwise, and don't see the hypocrisy.
Pederson played 12 years in the NFL. He's been in NFL locker rooms, and would have to know what this would do to his team.
Did Howie Roseman play football?
Here's the wrinkle, though. Let's say Pederson was ordered to do this. Why would he accept the responsibility for the decision that makes him look so bad to his players? And suppose he makes it known to his players who really made that decision - will the veterans keep quiet about it?
Holy crap, type "Doug Pederson" into Twitter search
Are you serious? In what world is it more important to see what your journeyman 27 year old backup QB who you've seen upclose for years who you keep signing to 1 year contracts because you don't think shit of him and having your possible next year guy get some crucial snaps in a divisional game thats tight going into the 4th is best for the football team. He lost because he wants to get a QB and knows that probably buys him another year. Meanwhile, he's a fucking idiot, he's probably going to get canned next year when his team inevitable McAdoo's him in the middle of the season.
Disagreeing with Pederson's logic in that moment is fine. I disagree with it too. But I'm not going around pretending that Pederson "owed it to the NFL" to keep Hurts in there. Every year, we see coaches make similar decisions - giving games away by putting lesser players out there.
Pederson owed something better to his players, definitely. But he doesn't owe anyone else anything. And my problem is that people seem to think otherwise, and don't see the hypocrisy.
Yes, but the rest players for more important games or to evaluate for next year. That guy was literally on the field for you, in a tremendous opportunity for him, and you had no game for a year. WHat the fuck was Pederson's end game here? Sudfeld is probably not even going to be on the roster. He doesn't owe it to the NFL, but it's a disgrace none the less and is essentially throwing the game. There is no long term benefit here other than draft postion and you can't even make the argument there is.
They know they are going QB and outright tanked a game for better draft position. That's really never happened in NFL because its a violent sport with short careers where you are asking men to put it on the line for you. Most teams are smart enough to not do this, and then you have the Eagles. Going to be fun watch them suck the next 5 years.
RE: RE: Don't discount the possibility he was ordered to do it
Pederson played 12 years in the NFL. He's been in NFL locker rooms, and would have to know what this would do to his team.
Did Howie Roseman play football?
Here's the wrinkle, though. Let's say Pederson was ordered to do this. Why would he accept the responsibility for the decision that makes him look so bad to his players? And suppose he makes it known to his players who really made that decision - will the veterans keep quiet about it?
He accepts responsibility because if he doesn't, he loses his job. He makes it known to his players and they call him a mark ass bitch and tune him out because they ahve no respect for him. Really a no win situation to be in.
If this was for Trevor Lawrence that would be one thing. But to allow a division rival to break out division winning hats and shirts and celebrate on your field? And also to call your own integrity into question in the eyes of America and the NFL and even YOUR PLAYERS?? Just to go from #9 to #6?? He’s legitimately out of his mind.
If this was for Trevor Lawrence that would be one thing. But to allow a division rival to break out division winning hats and shirts and celebrate on your field? And also to call your own integrity into question in the eyes of America and the NFL and even YOUR PLAYERS?? Just to go from #9 to #6?? He’s legitimately out of his mind.
I'm pretty convinced it's Roseman behind this. Pederson actuall played the game, he probably had to know how this would fly over.
Anyone catch what Hurts was caught saying on the sideline?
"That was fucking bullshit we scored bruh" Somebody posted that to youtube. I remember seeing him laugh on sideline, even he couldn't fucking believe it, I don't remember him as a guy that ever cracked smiles like that. Probably beside himself
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It might be a bad move within the organization for morale purposes
Are you serious? In what world is it more important to see what your journeyman 27 year old backup QB who you've seen upclose for years who you keep signing to 1 year contracts because you don't think shit of him and having your possible next year guy get some crucial snaps in a divisional game thats tight going into the 4th is best for the football team. He lost because he wants to get a QB and knows that probably buys him another year. Meanwhile, he's a fucking idiot, he's probably going to get canned next year when his team inevitable McAdoo's him in the middle of the season.
Disagreeing with Pederson's logic in that moment is fine. I disagree with it too. But I'm not going around pretending that Pederson "owed it to the NFL" to keep Hurts in there. Every year, we see coaches make similar decisions - giving games away by putting lesser players out there.
Pederson owed something better to his players, definitely. But he doesn't owe anyone else anything. And my problem is that people seem to think otherwise, and don't see the hypocrisy.
The problem is you. You're being incredibly obtuse.
Nothing will get done so next year - so suppose another super QB comes out-- the Jets need a new QB- why wouldn't they start tanking in week 13 knowing very well they won't make the playoffs. Why shouldn't the Jets tank in week 13 in this case if they aren't going to make the playoffs anyway?
Then after a while we can hear in the last 3-4 weeks on ESPN and the NFL Network which teams are most likely to tank. You think the NFL wants that?
This was BRAZEN. You heard Pederson say he was trying to win. If Pederson felt like you did that he did nothing wrong then why not say I didnt care about winning?
And what did you think the NFL was expecting by putting this game on so late?
Stop being deliberately obtuse. With your nonsense-justification Pederson would have no problem saying this game was to analyze players for next year instead of what he said about trying to win just the SAME as other teams saying they are resting players for the next game not concerned if they got the win. You can't see this simple difference? T
And do you really think networks want to contract for teams at end of season that might start tanking in week 13 or 14? .
RE: Don't discount the possibility he was ordered to do it
Pederson played 12 years in the NFL. He's been in NFL locker rooms, and would have to know what this would do to his team.
Did Howie Roseman play football?
Bingo...no way Pederson made this decision on his own...
If you want to go easy on Peterson you could say: He was told he could try to play to “win” but that he had to lay down in the 4th quarter. So he went for that 4th and goal touchdown knowing he was ordered to stand down starting the next series.
But I don’t need to get into a conspiracy theory when he truth was written on all the players’ faces.
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Give me one example of a coach taking out their QB in a close game when they are out of it bht in a competitive game with a team playing for something?
Give me one example
Apart from disrespecting his players (which I agree is terrible and reason enough not to do what he did), how is Pederson taking Hurts out of a close (but meaningless) game different from any coach resting their starters in an equally meaningless game when they're playoff bound?
He owes his own players something better, absolutely. But beyond that, what does he owe to anyone else?
Because there's something bigger at stake in a game where they're resting for the playoffs.
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Id be shocked if Pederson is ever a head coach again
Resting players before a playoff game is nothing like what Pederson did tonight..
Go look on Twitter and look at the outrage from around the NFL..
Pederson fucked himself tonight, if you are a player you dont want to play for a head coach like that, guarantee you hear of a lot of Eagles asking out..
Alright, for the fourth time, there are legitimate reasons to be mad at Pederson right now. But there are also illegitimate reasons. And I see a whole lot of people confusing the two.
From a purely unbiased, competitive standpoint, there's no meaningful difference between what Pederson did tonight and a coach resting his starters for the playoffs in a Week 17 game, when to play the starters would've given them a better chance of winning.
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Id be shocked if Pederson is ever a head coach again
Ouch.
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Resting players before a playoff game is nothing like what Pederson did tonight..
Go look on Twitter and look at the outrage from around the NFL..
Pederson fucked himself tonight, if you are a player you dont want to play for a head coach like that, guarantee you hear of a lot of Eagles asking out..
Alright, for the fourth time, there are legitimate reasons to be mad at Pederson right now. But there are also illegitimate reasons. And I see a whole lot of people confusing the two.
From a purely unbiased, competitive standpoint, there's no meaningful difference between what Pederson did tonight and a coach resting his starters for the playoffs in a Week 17 game, when to play the starters would've given them a better chance of winning.
No it is completely different and it something you dont seem to understand..
Resting players before a game is fine..
taking out your qb to start the 4th quarter in a close game is a slap in the face to the League..
That just crossed my mind, there were rumors of that about a month ago. How insane would that be? I just cant see it.
Good for him. Pederson may be a dead man walking now...
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Jason Kelce in his media interview just slammed his organization for this. He was very passionate and very clear.
Good for him. Pederson may be a dead man walking now...
I hope he does get fired and I don’t care if Eagles get a better coach
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Pederson may want to be fired. There have been rumblings about that.
That just crossed my mind, there were rumors of that about a month ago. How insane would that be? I just cant see it.
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Pederson may want to be fired. There have been rumblings about that.
That just crossed my mind, there were rumors of that about a month ago. How insane would that be? I just cant see it.
Can you link it?
No it is completely different and it something you dont seem to understand..
Resting players before a game is fine..
taking out your qb to start the 4th quarter in a close game is a slap in the face to the League..
It's not completely different. In both cases, teams are putting aside the "win at any cost" mentality to satisfy different longer-term goals.
But when a playoff team rests their starters before a meaningless Week 17 game and they lose a game they may well have otherwise won, we don't see these sanctimonious types come out of the woodwork, shrieking about the integrity of the NFL's competitive ethic being pissed on.
Philly taking Hurts out made their players justifiably angry, but apart from that, why does Pederson not have the right to use a game like this to satisfy goals like seeing how his backup QB plays in a live-game situation against a quality defense?
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Jason Kelce in his media interview just slammed his organization for this. He was very passionate and very clear.
Good for him. Pederson may be a dead man walking now...
I hope he does get fired and I don’t care if Eagles get a better coach
I really do have a hard time seeing the org bring him back. This is a huge black eye. I doubt theres any kind of penalty but it really is a stain.
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No it is completely different and it something you dont seem to understand..
Resting players before a game is fine..
taking out your qb to start the 4th quarter in a close game is a slap in the face to the League..
It's not completely different. In both cases, teams are putting aside the "win at any cost" mentality to satisfy different longer-term goals.
But when a playoff team rests their starters before a meaningless Week 17 game and they lose a game they may well have otherwise won, we don't see these sanctimonious types come out of the woodwork, shrieking about the integrity of the NFL's competitive ethic being pissed on.
Philly taking Hurts out made their players justifiably angry, but apart from that, why does Pederson not have the right to use a game like this to satisfy goals like seeing how his backup QB plays in a live-game situation against a quality defense?
Because it is clear as day spit in the face of the integrity of the game and if you dont thinknao go read twitter..
This is not about the Giants, this is about Pederson spitting in the face of hisnplayers and thr NFL..
Having to get a look at a 27 year old journeyman is BS, tell me that was more inportant than seeing what Hurts could do in a close game in the 4th? how is that more important?
It was moronic on every level, no coach would of done that, If Burrows was healthy would you see the bengals bench Burrows today?
How about if the giants were out of it today and Judge took out Jones jn the 4th in a close game? would that make sense?
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Jason Kelce in his media interview just slammed his organization for this. He was very passionate and very clear.
Can you link it?
I was wrong... it was a post game from a few weeks ago that someone posted on twitter as a response to tonight. But freaky, he seemed exactly like he was talking about what just happened. Expressed extreme disgust at the idea of a team not playing to win and trying to lose for draft position.
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Resting players before a playoff game is nothing like what Pederson did tonight..
Go look on Twitter and look at the outrage from around the NFL..
Pederson fucked himself tonight, if you are a player you dont want to play for a head coach like that, guarantee you hear of a lot of Eagles asking out..
Alright, for the fourth time, there are legitimate reasons to be mad at Pederson right now. But there are also illegitimate reasons. And I see a whole lot of people confusing the two.
From a purely unbiased, competitive standpoint, there's no meaningful difference between what Pederson did tonight and a coach resting his starters for the playoffs in a Week 17 game, when to play the starters would've given them a better chance of winning.
No it is completely different and it something you dont seem to understand..
Resting players before a game is fine..
taking out your qb to start the 4th quarter in a close game is a slap in the face to the League..
Thanks for spelling it out for him. I'm not sure he was understanding what just happened here. It's a slap in the place to the plyaers as well, just like Kelce made VERY clear.
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what the Eagles did tonight. Basically slamming them for tanking a close game
later on, Al was only half joking with Cris saying "try not to get yourself fired tonight"
I was legitimately shocked Collinsworth said that. Certainly not the company line. I actually enjoy hom as a color guy but gained a lot of respect for him with that.
Interestingly, that was the second time a former pro/commentator was clearly pissed off on the air today.
In our game, when that jackass for Dallas Jourdan Lewis headbutted Kaden Smith - and then was laughing about it right after getting the penalty....Joe Buck asked Troy what he thought and I tell you what - that might have been the angriest I heard Troy Aikman sound when he said "I'd better not say what I think of that"
Is there a link for this? I havent found one yet
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No it is completely different and it something you dont seem to understand..
Resting players before a game is fine..
taking out your qb to start the 4th quarter in a close game is a slap in the face to the League..
It's not completely different. In both cases, teams are putting aside the "win at any cost" mentality to satisfy different longer-term goals.
But when a playoff team rests their starters before a meaningless Week 17 game and they lose a game they may well have otherwise won, we don't see these sanctimonious types come out of the woodwork, shrieking about the integrity of the NFL's competitive ethic being pissed on.
Philly taking Hurts out made their players justifiably angry, but apart from that, why does Pederson not have the right to use a game like this to satisfy goals like seeing how his backup QB plays in a live-game situation against a quality defense?
Are you serious? In what world is it more important to see what your journeyman 27 year old backup QB who you've seen upclose for years who you keep signing to 1 year contracts because you don't think shit of him and having your possible next year guy get some crucial snaps in a divisional game thats tight going into the 4th is best for the football team. He lost because he wants to get a QB and knows that probably buys him another year. Meanwhile, he's a fucking idiot, he's probably going to get canned next year when his team inevitable McAdoo's him in the middle of the season.
They will kill him for the next week at least. To the point where he might actually get canned. Goddell is going peppered with "Does the NFL need a lottery system?" by everyone.
Thanks for spelling it out for him. I'm not sure he was understanding what just happened here. It's a slap in the place to the plyaers as well, just like Kelce made VERY clear.
You're a dummy. I'm the one who's acknowledging that the Philly players had legit reasons to be pissed. But I'm also saying that everyone else's supposed reasons for being pissed are poorly reasoned nonsense.
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. The 24-7 sports media is full of ex players who are going to shit on him for a week. It will blow over for now but he’s toast. I hope Lurie keeps him. Would be good for the other NFC East teams
They will kill him for the next week at least. To the point where he might actually get canned. Goddell is going peppered with "Does the NFL need a lottery system?" by everyone.
Which is the last thing they want. They were so happy w the last week meaning so much to a lot of teams and now all they will be talking about Pederson throwing a game.
I’ll buy one
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Joe Judge should print tshirts with Sudfeld's picture on it and a message reading "Let's not put ourselves in a position to count on this asshole in 2021."
I’ll buy one
This is a brilliant idea by Terps!
Did Howie Roseman play football?
Did Howie Roseman play football?
I'm sure he was, because the stipulation was do it or you're fired. Probably didn't have much choice in the matter. Of course the front office is fucking clueless ran by geeks like Roseman that have no idea what this does to a lockerroom. This ship is going to be fun to watch burn and sink.
Are you serious? In what world is it more important to see what your journeyman 27 year old backup QB who you've seen upclose for years who you keep signing to 1 year contracts because you don't think shit of him and having your possible next year guy get some crucial snaps in a divisional game thats tight going into the 4th is best for the football team. He lost because he wants to get a QB and knows that probably buys him another year. Meanwhile, he's a fucking idiot, he's probably going to get canned next year when his team inevitable McAdoo's him in the middle of the season.
Disagreeing with Pederson's logic in that moment is fine. I disagree with it too. But I'm not going around pretending that Pederson "owed it to the NFL" to keep Hurts in there. Every year, we see coaches make similar decisions - giving games away by putting lesser players out there.
Pederson owed something better to his players, definitely. But he doesn't owe anyone else anything. And my problem is that people seem to think otherwise, and don't see the hypocrisy.
What did he say?
Did Howie Roseman play football?
Here's the wrinkle, though. Let's say Pederson was ordered to do this. Why would he accept the responsibility for the decision that makes him look so bad to his players? And suppose he makes it known to his players who really made that decision - will the veterans keep quiet about it?
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Are you serious? In what world is it more important to see what your journeyman 27 year old backup QB who you've seen upclose for years who you keep signing to 1 year contracts because you don't think shit of him and having your possible next year guy get some crucial snaps in a divisional game thats tight going into the 4th is best for the football team. He lost because he wants to get a QB and knows that probably buys him another year. Meanwhile, he's a fucking idiot, he's probably going to get canned next year when his team inevitable McAdoo's him in the middle of the season.
Disagreeing with Pederson's logic in that moment is fine. I disagree with it too. But I'm not going around pretending that Pederson "owed it to the NFL" to keep Hurts in there. Every year, we see coaches make similar decisions - giving games away by putting lesser players out there.
Pederson owed something better to his players, definitely. But he doesn't owe anyone else anything. And my problem is that people seem to think otherwise, and don't see the hypocrisy.
Yes, but the rest players for more important games or to evaluate for next year. That guy was literally on the field for you, in a tremendous opportunity for him, and you had no game for a year. WHat the fuck was Pederson's end game here? Sudfeld is probably not even going to be on the roster. He doesn't owe it to the NFL, but it's a disgrace none the less and is essentially throwing the game. There is no long term benefit here other than draft postion and you can't even make the argument there is.
They know they are going QB and outright tanked a game for better draft position. That's really never happened in NFL because its a violent sport with short careers where you are asking men to put it on the line for you. Most teams are smart enough to not do this, and then you have the Eagles. Going to be fun watch them suck the next 5 years.
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Pederson played 12 years in the NFL. He's been in NFL locker rooms, and would have to know what this would do to his team.
Did Howie Roseman play football?
Here's the wrinkle, though. Let's say Pederson was ordered to do this. Why would he accept the responsibility for the decision that makes him look so bad to his players? And suppose he makes it known to his players who really made that decision - will the veterans keep quiet about it?
He accepts responsibility because if he doesn't, he loses his job. He makes it known to his players and they call him a mark ass bitch and tune him out because they ahve no respect for him. Really a no win situation to be in.
Really this. If that clown Engram catches that ball, we wouldn't be having this discussion. He shouldn't have even been on the team this year.
All this talk about him being healthy... Welp, he was healthy and look at the amazing season he had.
I'm pretty convinced it's Roseman behind this. Pederson actuall played the game, he probably had to know how this would fly over.
Anyone catch what Hurts was caught saying on the sideline?
"That was fucking bullshit we scored bruh" Somebody posted that to youtube. I remember seeing him laugh on sideline, even he couldn't fucking believe it, I don't remember him as a guy that ever cracked smiles like that. Probably beside himself
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Are you serious? In what world is it more important to see what your journeyman 27 year old backup QB who you've seen upclose for years who you keep signing to 1 year contracts because you don't think shit of him and having your possible next year guy get some crucial snaps in a divisional game thats tight going into the 4th is best for the football team. He lost because he wants to get a QB and knows that probably buys him another year. Meanwhile, he's a fucking idiot, he's probably going to get canned next year when his team inevitable McAdoo's him in the middle of the season.
Disagreeing with Pederson's logic in that moment is fine. I disagree with it too. But I'm not going around pretending that Pederson "owed it to the NFL" to keep Hurts in there. Every year, we see coaches make similar decisions - giving games away by putting lesser players out there.
Pederson owed something better to his players, definitely. But he doesn't owe anyone else anything. And my problem is that people seem to think otherwise, and don't see the hypocrisy.
The problem is you. You're being incredibly obtuse.
Nothing will get done so next year - so suppose another super QB comes out-- the Jets need a new QB- why wouldn't they start tanking in week 13 knowing very well they won't make the playoffs. Why shouldn't the Jets tank in week 13 in this case if they aren't going to make the playoffs anyway?
Then after a while we can hear in the last 3-4 weeks on ESPN and the NFL Network which teams are most likely to tank. You think the NFL wants that?
This was BRAZEN. You heard Pederson say he was trying to win. If Pederson felt like you did that he did nothing wrong then why not say I didnt care about winning?
And what did you think the NFL was expecting by putting this game on so late?
Stop being deliberately obtuse. With your nonsense-justification Pederson would have no problem saying this game was to analyze players for next year instead of what he said about trying to win just the SAME as other teams saying they are resting players for the next game not concerned if they got the win. You can't see this simple difference? T
And do you really think networks want to contract for teams at end of season that might start tanking in week 13 or 14? .
Did Howie Roseman play football?
Bingo...no way Pederson made this decision on his own...
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Pederson played 12 years in the NFL. He's been in NFL locker rooms, and would have to know what this would do to his team.
Did Howie Roseman play football?
Bingo...no way Pederson made this decision on his own...
If you want to go easy on Peterson you could say: He was told he could try to play to “win” but that he had to lay down in the 4th quarter. So he went for that 4th and goal touchdown knowing he was ordered to stand down starting the next series.
But I don’t need to get into a conspiracy theory when he truth was written on all the players’ faces.