"The #Chargers are going to interview #Giants OC Jason Garrett tomorrow, source said. GM Dave Gettleman said yesterday, "The possibility of Jason leaving, of course it makes you a little antsy.” They’d like to keep Garrett at NYG."
I know some of you want him fired, seems him taking HC job is only way out.
- Poor route concepts that don't maximize YAC?
- Low success plays that set up 3rd and long?
Yeah...let's keep that guy.
- Poor route concepts that don't maximize YAC?
- Low success plays that set up 3rd and long?
Yeah...let's keep that guy.
I'm willing to give him a mulligan b/c of the lack of off-season, and the argument that Jones's development is better served with continuity. Also, it could be possible Judge wanted a simplified offense that was easier to teach via zoom.
That said I hope his leash is short if the offense doesn't improve.
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- Low use of pre-snap motion?
- Poor route concepts that don't maximize YAC?
- Low success plays that set up 3rd and long?
Yeah...let's keep that guy.
I'm willing to give him a mulligan b/c of the lack of off-season, and the argument that Jones's development is better served with continuity. Also, it could be possible Judge wanted a simplified offense that was easier to teach via zoom.
That said I hope his leash is short if the offense doesn't improve.
Garrett had the same issues in Dallas.
If we want Jones to improve step one is replacing Garrett.
i didn't see the press conference though so i could be wrong and he blatantly said they don't want to lose him.
the most graceful exit for Garrett would be to get the Charger job. Just saying...
- Poor route concepts that don't maximize YAC?
- Low success plays that set up 3rd and long?
Yeah...let's keep that guy.
This is why I'm agnostic on Garrett. There are a few things though I look at in his favor. When given the horses, his offenses have performed. I think he has a knack for when to call certain plays (his ability to know exactly when to run QB boots for easy 30 yard gains comes to mind - whoever is the QB). And most importantly, the way he develops QBs. This is obviously most important for us right now and I really like what he did with DJ this year from a developmental standpoint. I'm sure I'll get disagreements on the latter, but that's my opinion.
Does Garrett work well with Jones and what has to happen to develop his game much further? The answer to that is whether or not he would be considered an "asset".
If we had playmakers everywhere and a top 10 OL, and our offense had a year like this past year, I would be extremely pessimistic.
You’re curious about it, or we should be mindful of it? 👀
- Poor route concepts that don't maximize YAC?
- Low success plays that set up 3rd and long?
Yeah...let's keep that guy.
I have to agree with you on this one. I was never a fan, and watching them this year did make me think that he's a guy who puts players in the best position to succeed. The offense against CLE with McCoy in there and Kitchens running the show looked more cohesive. They stalled at the end zone, but they moved ball.
If Jason gets the Chargers job , his replacement is in house . Judge’s staff is of interest to other teams . That’s a good sign. Don’t forget Bielema , who is a very talented coach , as well . He has some personal issues that needed to be addressed , but he can coach .
Judge and his staff did a good job under trying circumstances . But the off-season belongs to the VP-GM. That is not a comforting thought .
If Jason gets the Chargers job , his replacement is in house . Judge’s staff is of interest to other teams . That’s a good sign. Don’t forget Bielema , who is a very talented coach , as well . He has some personal issues that needed to be addressed , but he can coach .
Judge and his staff did a good job under trying circumstances . But the off-season belongs to the VP-GM. That is not a comforting thought .
Bielema is head coach of Illinois now.
Judge seems like a very demanding guy to work with. But my sense is that JG has learned alot here, and enjoys working with the QB.
I don't think that Mara or DG have any say or will defer to Judge.
Did he win any playoff games in his 10 years or so there?
Because of the job he did as our OC...the 31st rated offense in the nfl?
Because he is a nice guy?
Did he win any playoff games in his 10 years or so there?
Because of the job he did as our OC...the 31st rated offense in the nfl?
Because he is a nice guy?
Perhaps because his entire body of work stands out vs one year here as OC where things weren’t exactly ideal?
I didn’t know presnap movement guaranteed success? Also didn’t know that Garrett is the reason why we didn’t have much presnap movement. I don’t suppose the HC had anything at all to do with that???? Maybe????
Nah, can’t be that.
I wouldn’t really put that on Garrett. It’s hard to get much of an advantage with a player sitting on his couch with a shredded knee. I’ll give him a pass on not being able to figure that one out
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You're always optimistic.
If we had playmakers everywhere and a top 10 OL, and our offense had a year like this past year, I would be extremely pessimistic.
If it requires that level of talent to deliver a functional NFL offense, you shouldn't be so optimistic in the first place.
The way you guys talk about continuity, it's a wonder you didn't want to keep Bettcher as DC.
Continuity is only worthwhile if the system is good. Otherwise, you're just delaying the inevitable and extending the pain.
Doot, I do think there’s been a philosophical gap that’s needed to be bridged on the Giants’ staff this year. Fact is, Joe Judge’s Patriots-imported program is very specific in how to scheme and coach and teach, and though Garrett has a Nick Saban background, the Dallas-ized offensive side wasn’t a perfect fit—and that friction was highlighted by what happened with offensive line coach Marc Colombo in midseason.
So yeah, I think Joe Judge and Garrett will have direct and honest conversations about where the offense is going and make a decision from there. The Mara family loves Garrett, of course, and I don’t think there’s any specific issue between the head coach and his offensive coordinator. Garrett’s a really great guy, and I think he’d be amenable to tweaking and adjusting to fit where Judge’s vision is for the team going forward.
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gameplan didn't use Saquon to much advantage.
I wouldn’t really put that on Garrett. It’s hard to get much of an advantage with a player sitting on his couch with a shredded knee. I’ll give him a pass on not being able to figure that one out
I thought it was obvious that I was talking about the 19 carries for 34 yards before he landed on the couch. My apology.
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gameplan didn't use Saquon to much advantage.
I wouldn’t really put that on Garrett. It’s hard to get much of an advantage with a player sitting on his couch with a shredded knee. I’ll give him a pass on not being able to figure that one out
I thought it was obvious that I was talking about the 19 carries for 34 yards before he landed on the couch. My apology.
That’s a big sample size you have right there. No OTAs, no camp, no preseason, no problem! Should be running on all cylinders by week 1.
I’m not defending Garrett overall, I think his offense is archaic, as has been laid out by Duggan and others, but in this case you’re just being ridiculous
Can the Giants maybe have one year...that everything stays consistent.
The offense was obviously the shortcoming...let's give everyone a chance...to make headway.
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gameplan didn't use Saquon to much advantage.
I wouldn’t really put that on Garrett. It’s hard to get much of an advantage with a player sitting on his couch with a shredded knee. I’ll give him a pass on not being able to figure that one out
I thought it was obvious that I was talking about the 19 carries for 34 yards before he landed on the couch. My apology.
That’s a big sample size you have right there. No OTAs, no camp, no preseason, no problem! Should be running on all cylinders by week 1.
I’m not defending Garrett overall, I think his offense is archaic, as has been laid out by Duggan and others, but in this case you’re just being ridiculous
I'm being ridiculous? I stated facts. I acknowledged the line change. The gameplan didn't use him to advantage. 19 for 34 may not be a big sample but it is a miserable one.
I wish the sample size was bigger. I really do.
And that drive was ruined by a ridiculous drop by Evan Engram that would’ve been a 1st down.
Second, there are a bunch of strong offenses in the league who also have a low percentages of pre-snap motion like the Seahawks and the Buccaneers.
It's one of my pet BBI peeves to see a stat like pre-snap motion given such elevated importance because a few good
teams like the ravens and rams use it well
You don't think pre-snap motion matters, that's fine. Whatever the reasons, the offense was consistently horrendous all season yet the message we're heading is there's total faith in the OC and QB.
Something doesn't add up.
It's also why veterans, particularly a vocal leader like Logan Ryan, are valuable. Ryan's been in multiple defensive systems over his career and is going to pick up things faster than a rookie or 2nd year player. Plus, in Ryan's case, I'm sure a lot of the schemes and verbiage are similar to what he ran in NE.
It's also why veterans, particularly a vocal leader like Logan Ryan, are valuable. Ryan's been in multiple defensive systems over his career and is going to pick up things faster than a rookie or 2nd year player. Plus, in Ryan's case, I'm sure a lot of the schemes and verbiage are similar to what he ran in NE.
The team that won the NFCE also had a new coaching staff. And on top of that, dealt with far more instability at the QB position than the Giants. For that matter, so did Dallas.
The only team in the NFCE that didn't have a new coaching staff was the Eagles - they came in last place.
Time for a new excuse.
It's also why veterans, particularly a vocal leader like Logan Ryan, are valuable. Ryan's been in multiple defensive systems over his career and is going to pick up things faster than a rookie or 2nd year player. Plus, in Ryan's case, I'm sure a lot of the schemes and verbiage are similar to what he ran in NE.
Cleveland had a new coach and a third year QB. Scored 25.5 PPG. Chargers scored 24 PPG with a rookie QB. Dallas had a new coach and lost their QB. Scored 24.7.
Giants scored 17.5 PPG. Pathetic.
I was really interested to see what Judge said he wanted - an offense that attacks the weaknesses of the defense and is different week to week. He said that against one opponent a certain player, type of play or philosophy might be the focus. But against another opponent it would be very different. Flexible, creative and tailored to each game is what he promised, on both offense and defense.
You suck at defending the run, we are doing to pound it right at you because we have a good running game. Weak secondary, well we are going to light it up through the air because we also have a good passing game. Weak coverage skills, run a lot of zone and can't defend the seams, well here comes our TE up the seam and crossing routes from our WR's. You studied our tape, well guess what our playbook looks different this week so you won't recognize too much.
I didn't really see that this year though I could see maybe sometimes they tried. Don't have the right players I guess.
If they can truly do that, and that is what we have, I'm cool with whoever is the OC.