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Giants interested in Julio Article?

Koffman : 1/8/2021 8:40 am
Could they get him? Would they want him?
Julio to the Giants article - ( New Window )
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Route 9 : 1/8/2021 8:43 am : link
Doug Rush strikes again lol
I'd do it for a 4th  
Saquads26 : 1/8/2021 8:44 am : link
And a paycut
This move would be a huge mistake  
Dnew15 : 1/8/2021 8:45 am : link
if it were baseball and the FAlcons could "eat" some/a lot of his money - then sure...

But that contract is brutal.
The article about the Giants and Julio Jones  
Mark in ATL : 1/8/2021 8:45 am : link
Is pure idiocy.
So ridiculous  
robbieballs2003 : 1/8/2021 8:46 am : link
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From a cap perspective  
BillT : 1/8/2021 8:49 am : link
Jones would cost $15.3m in '21 and $11.5m in '22 and '23. Easy to restructure and lower his '21 number to as low as $6/7m. That said I don't think this is remotely realistic.
Almost feels like a done deal after reading  
LBH15 : 1/8/2021 8:50 am : link
that article.
Also this is pure speculation and a rumor floated by the writer  
Saquads26 : 1/8/2021 8:53 am : link
THE GIANTS HAVE NO KNOWN INTEREST. Bad thread title
the trade cost matters, clearly  
bigbluehoya : 1/8/2021 8:57 am : link
but this contract would NOT be prohibitive for NYG.

before any potential restructure, NYG would be looking at cap hits of $15 / $11 / $11, with no dead cap after year 1. That's the kind of flexibility you want.

ideally a restructure could be reached to get the $15M year 1 number down, even if it means guaranteeing a portion of the 2022 salary.

he cant stay on the field  
NYG007 : 1/8/2021 9:01 am : link
But sure, lets go into cap hell for a dude that plays 9-10 games a year. Also, he NEVER scores, easy, easy Pass.
Love Julio  
section125 : 1/8/2021 9:03 am : link
but this does not fit what they want to do, which is get younger and build a team for the long haul. Julio may be a finishing piece for an established team that is looking to get over the top.
RE: Almost feels like a done deal after reading  
BigBlueShock : 1/8/2021 9:03 am : link
In comment 15114637 LBH15 said:
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that article.

Yeah man. I agree. After reading that article I’m gonna keep checking the Giants store to get first dibs on a Julio jersey. Should be in stock at any moment
They can..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2021 9:03 am : link
probably work that contract down to what they were paying Tate, but there are younger WR's out there that will come with more upside and cheaper.
RE: Also this is pure speculation and a rumor floated by the writer  
Route 9 : 1/8/2021 9:04 am : link
In comment 15114641 Saquads26 said:
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THE GIANTS HAVE NO KNOWN INTEREST. Bad thread title


Floated by another writer. Probably his friend or someone he has a close connection with. Beltway Strategy of doing "journalism."

Maybe even this writer is actually him under his pen name? Hmm...

This Doug Rush name has come up here before and we laughed to the heavens about someone using this guy as a credible source.

He's just some Bleacher Report dude. If that.
RE: RE: Almost feels like a done deal after reading  
Route 9 : 1/8/2021 9:07 am : link
In comment 15114654 BigBlueShock said:
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that article.


Yeah man. I agree. After reading that article I’m gonna keep checking the Giants store to get first dibs on a Julio jersey. Should be in stock at any moment


What number do you think he'll sport now that it's a done deal?

Being that #11 belongs to Simms, maybe he'll buy Eli's "10" to play it safe.
Please don’t even think it  
5BowlsSoon : 1/8/2021 9:08 am : link
I’m sure DG is smarter than that...
I don't think this can be dismissed out of hand  
WillieYoung : 1/8/2021 9:10 am : link
3 Years at 38 Million is not remotely excessive. If he agreed to move 12 million of his salary which is fully guaranteed this year, his cap hit would be 7 Million and change with the ability to get out of the 3rd year of the deal altogether at a cap cost of only 4 Million.
It amazes me how many people  
Dnew15 : 1/8/2021 9:20 am : link
think players would be super willing to take paycuts to play for the team they root for.

It's mind-boggling.
RE: It amazes me how many people  
Big Blue '56 : 1/8/2021 9:26 am : link
In comment 15114675 Dnew15 said:
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think players would be super willing to take paycuts to play for the team they root for.

It's mind-boggling.


If they don’t they’ll most likely be cut outright, especially at their age..They are NOT in a powerful bargaining position..
They must be looking at cutting h im  
Chip : 1/8/2021 9:37 am : link
24 mil over the cap with only 31 players signed for next season. 20 players at league minimum is roughly 17 mil and you still have to sign your 1st round draft pick and have money to pay others when players get hurt. There are going to be a shit load of players released at some point from a lot of teams.
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Dnew15 : 1/8/2021 9:48 am : link
In comment 15114684 Big Blue '56 said:
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think players would be super willing to take paycuts to play for the team they root for.

It's mind-boggling.



If they don’t they’ll most likely be cut outright, especially at their age..They are NOT in a powerful bargaining position..


I agree if it's Alec Ogletree...this is freakin' Julio Jones.

RE: They must be looking at cutting h im  
Dnew15 : 1/8/2021 9:49 am : link
In comment 15114697 Chip said:
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24 mil over the cap with only 31 players signed for next season. 20 players at league minimum is roughly 17 mil and you still have to sign your 1st round draft pick and have money to pay others when players get hurt. There are going to be a shit load of players released at some point from a lot of teams.


THis is very true. Some teams are projected to be WAY over the cap.

League question - what is the penalty for being over the cap?
Why is it the Giants can never afford anyone?  
Koffman : 1/8/2021 9:54 am : link
Seems like they are always up against the cap number? It isn't from paying the multitude of superstars they have on the roster. The only superstar player they have is Saquan, and he is still on his rookie deal. Unbelievable that we have a bottom five roster, AND we are still up against the cap and can't afford anyone.
RE: Why is it the Giants can never afford anyone?  
Producer : 1/8/2021 9:58 am : link
In comment 15114722 Koffman said:
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Seems like they are always up against the cap number? It isn't from paying the multitude of superstars they have on the roster. The only superstar player they have is Saquan, and he is still on his rookie deal. Unbelievable that we have a bottom five roster, AND we are still up against the cap and can't afford anyone.


yep.. total mismanagement, top to bottom
That's a wild misrepresentation  
DanBenton : 1/8/2021 9:58 am : link
of what Doug actually wrote.

He proposed the idea of a trade for offseason discussion purposes. Never once said the Giants were interested in Jones, that a trade was imminent or anything of the sort.
RE: RE: Why is it the Giants can never afford anyone?  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2021 10:00 am : link
In comment 15114730 Producer said:
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Seems like they are always up against the cap number? It isn't from paying the multitude of superstars they have on the roster. The only superstar player they have is Saquan, and he is still on his rookie deal. Unbelievable that we have a bottom five roster, AND we are still up against the cap and can't afford anyone.



yep.. total mismanagement, top to bottom


Mismanagement of the cap is being up against it?? In NFL circles, that's actually looked at a excellent management of the cap.
RE: Why is it the Giants can never afford anyone?  
Capt. Don : 1/8/2021 10:09 am : link
In comment 15114722 Koffman said:
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Seems like they are always up against the cap number? It isn't from paying the multitude of superstars they have on the roster. The only superstar player they have is Saquan, and he is still on his rookie deal. Unbelievable that we have a bottom five roster, AND we are still up against the cap and can't afford anyone.


The cap is fluid and not the firm number that we perceive it to be. We can sign some big free agents this year.

As of right now, in 2022 we will be in the $100M range. If we release Golden Tate, Nate Solder and David Mayo that number increases to about $126M. Of course that number will go down with new draft picks and FA signings from this year but we are in good shape.
restructure and pay cut aren't the same thing  
rasbutant : 1/8/2021 10:15 am : link
Not advocating for the trade but... the numbers are reasonable as they are and can be restructured to be even better for the Giants. Jones will like the restructure because it would give him more guaranteed money.

In the end he will be cheaper then the top FA WR's, however you have to give up a pick and he is older than the other guys. His age makes him a risk.

Another thought, his contract on average is probably just a little bit more than what Curtis Samuel would get. Which would you prefer? Samuel and a 3rd round pick or Jones???

And those that say they will cut him...he has guaranteed money that goes with the new team if they trade him, cutting they are on the hook for it.
Let Atlanta release him to give then cap space, then we’ll talk.  
Ivan15 : 1/8/2021 10:16 am : link
There are going to be some starting WRs released, added to the normal load of WRs whose contracts are up.

No reason to make a blockbuster deal for Julio Jones. If Falcons want to give him away for a low round draft pick, that’s a deal worth considering.
Haven't watched many Falcon games  
ghost718 : 1/8/2021 10:22 am : link
But if Jones has anything left,it's worth looking into
so we’re  
mittenedman : 1/8/2021 10:23 am : link
going to give Daniel Jones a 32 year old #1WR?

cmon now. hes a finishing touch piece, not a building block.
Old and expensive  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/8/2021 10:24 am : link
Is the opposite of what this team needs.

I know we need talent at wr but... hard pass.
Jones to Jones! Do it!  
Simms11 : 1/8/2021 10:31 am : link
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Big Blue '56 : 1/8/2021 10:34 am : link
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think players would be super willing to take paycuts to play for the team they root for.

It's mind-boggling.



If they don’t they’ll most likely be cut outright, especially at their age..They are NOT in a powerful bargaining position..



I agree if it's Alec Ogletree...this is freakin' Julio Jones.


Yes, a 32 year-old Julio Jones. No one is paying much guaranteed dollars to him, imo..
RE: Why is it the Giants can never afford anyone?  
LBH15 : 1/8/2021 10:40 am : link
In comment 15114722 Koffman said:
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Seems like they are always up against the cap number? It isn't from paying the multitude of superstars they have on the roster. The only superstar player they have is Saquan, and he is still on his rookie deal. Unbelievable that we have a bottom five roster, AND we are still up against the cap and can't afford anyone.


Odd, djm says Giants can afford anybody they want at any time they want. They just need to figure it out.
the 23m cap hit would mean ATL would have bribe someone to take him  
Eric on Li : 1/8/2021 10:44 am : link
nobody is going to be looking to absorb that cap hit when the guy is coming off an injury riddled season. Of course there's no reason to bribe someone to take him as opposed to just cutting if they need to, so that's probably the most likely outcome.
I don't think Atlanta can cut Jones  
ZogZerg : 1/8/2021 10:44 am : link
They would have to trade him.
Assuming Atlanta has to cover the bonus, looks like Jone's salary would be about:

2021 = 15 mil
2022 = 11.5
2023 = 11.5

Jones always seems to be dinged up and nursing injuries. Not sure if he's worth the money or not. And, not sure these numbers are accurate.
...  
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2021 10:57 am : link
he can barely run anymore. No thanks.
Trading for players  
SLIM_ : 1/8/2021 11:03 am : link
I"m not advocating to sign Julio. My thought is the Giants should look at everyone for the right price.

There are significant benefits to trading for a player, however. When you sign a player in free agency, you need to entie him with the signing bonus. With a trade, the original team eats that bonus so it becomes a lot easier to trade.

Especially since most WR's are of the diva type. A trade for an established player may be the way to go. I would be more amenable to it this year especially as there may not be a combine and limited film of a lot of potential draftees.
RE: ...  
DonQuixote : 1/8/2021 11:11 am : link
In comment 15114830 ryanmkeane said:
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he can barely run anymore. No thanks.


He averages >15 yds per reception. In 9 games he got about as many yards as Slayton did in 16 games because he catches a lot more of passes thrown to him (75%!).

The only thing about Jones is his age reliability, and the is real, but he produces when he's on the field. His contract is about what Tate's is, so it would be a bargain move and not a rebuilding piece.

And I agree with what others said, the article is really just speculation.
only if they throw  
bc4life : 1/8/2021 11:14 am : link
in a time machine so we can change Julio back into a 25 year old
2 yrs ago. Yes  
Payasdaddy : 1/8/2021 11:18 am : link
Like an Greene, always banged up now
If it was for a 4th I would do it only because he is a big target and we are a handful of players away from real contention ( if jones ups his game a bit more)
Deep wr draft, rather sign a c Samuel and draft a war in first 2 rds.
Even if you could get him for a #3, for example  
JonC : 1/8/2021 11:19 am : link
three years remaining to absorb his contract when he appears to be declining already doesn't make much sense.
RE: Love Julio  
AcidTest : 1/8/2021 11:54 am : link
In comment 15114653 section125 said:
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but this does not fit what they want to do, which is get younger and build a team for the long haul. Julio may be a finishing piece for an established team that is looking to get over the top.


^This. We are not one or even two or three players away. We need to rebuild entire units, especially our WRs, TEs, and EDGE players.

As others have noted, his contract is reasonable, but he's 32, and clearly slowing down. I would listen, but probably say no.
Please no  
US1 Giants : 1/8/2021 11:57 am : link
Giants timeline don't match with his aging.
Who is  
Stan in LA : 1/8/2021 12:18 pm : link
Julio Article?
RE: Please no  
LBH15 : 1/8/2021 12:22 pm : link
In comment 15114952 US1 Giants said:
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Giants timeline don't match with his aging.


Agree. Giant scouts are planning out their high school travel schedule as we speak.
RE: Love Julio  
GoDeep13 : 1/8/2021 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15114653 section125 said:
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but this does not fit what they want to do, which is get younger and build a team for the long haul. Julio may be a finishing piece for an established team that is looking to get over the top.
I think he does actually. The plan has too be to get 2 playmakers and I thought the best course would be to get a vet and draft a rookie. Julio is still an athletic freak and one of the most technical WRs in the league, even at 32. He also does a lot to help his fellow WRs as he acts as an extension of his WR Coach (something I believe he has a want to do after playing). Slayton is still a good outside WR. He’s just not a #1. But you can trade for Julio. Draft a guy that has inside/outside flexibility that can contribute now (say, Jaylen Waddle?) and you have Julio and Slayton outside, Shep and Waddle rotating at slot, Waddle as your return man. Have Julio for 2-3 years helping the WRs.
Get Jones to Jones together asap!  
unemployedgm : 1/8/2021 1:29 pm : link
Sign me up for this trade. If it does not require us giving up a first round pick. Let's say the trade will cost a 4th in 2021, and 2nd in 2022. At the most. Julio Jones is not Allan Robinson, Kenny Golliday, or Chris Godwin. Yes, he's 31 years old, and he's being paid 20 million a year. If the Falcons trade Julio they have to eat 16 million of his contract. Therefore Julio 2021 cap hit for the Giants would be 7 million. Julio only played 12 games this year, and would still been our leading receiver. He doesn't miss games. 2019 he had almost 1500 yards, and everyone knows the ball is going to him. He would have the impact that Diggs had on Josh Alan and Bills. If you put Barkley and Julio on the same team, it would felony for the rest of NFL. He would improve every aspect of the team, and WR big WR age well in the NFL. i.e Owans, Rice, Marshall.
As always, it depends on what it would take to get him. At the right  
Ira : 1/8/2021 2:26 pm : link
price, he'd be a great fit.
Pass.  
Giant John : 1/8/2021 7:34 pm : link
Too old. Give somebody new a chance to develop if they have talent.
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