Jones would cost $15.3m in '21 and $11.5m in '22 and '23. Easy to restructure and lower his '21 number to as low as $6/7m. That said I don't think this is remotely realistic.
but this contract would NOT be prohibitive for NYG.
before any potential restructure, NYG would be looking at cap hits of $15 / $11 / $11, with no dead cap after year 1. That's the kind of flexibility you want.
ideally a restructure could be reached to get the $15M year 1 number down, even if it means guaranteeing a portion of the 2022 salary.
but this does not fit what they want to do, which is get younger and build a team for the long haul. Julio may be a finishing piece for an established team that is looking to get over the top.
Yeah man. I agree. After reading that article I’m gonna keep checking the Giants store to get first dibs on a Julio jersey. Should be in stock at any moment
Yeah man. I agree. After reading that article I’m gonna keep checking the Giants store to get first dibs on a Julio jersey. Should be in stock at any moment
What number do you think he'll sport now that it's a done deal?
Being that #11 belongs to Simms, maybe he'll buy Eli's "10" to play it safe.
3 Years at 38 Million is not remotely excessive. If he agreed to move 12 million of his salary which is fully guaranteed this year, his cap hit would be 7 Million and change with the ability to get out of the 3rd year of the deal altogether at a cap cost of only 4 Million.
24 mil over the cap with only 31 players signed for next season. 20 players at league minimum is roughly 17 mil and you still have to sign your 1st round draft pick and have money to pay others when players get hurt. There are going to be a shit load of players released at some point from a lot of teams.
24 mil over the cap with only 31 players signed for next season. 20 players at league minimum is roughly 17 mil and you still have to sign your 1st round draft pick and have money to pay others when players get hurt. There are going to be a shit load of players released at some point from a lot of teams.
THis is very true. Some teams are projected to be WAY over the cap.
League question - what is the penalty for being over the cap?
Seems like they are always up against the cap number? It isn't from paying the multitude of superstars they have on the roster. The only superstar player they have is Saquan, and he is still on his rookie deal. Unbelievable that we have a bottom five roster, AND we are still up against the cap and can't afford anyone.
Seems like they are always up against the cap number? It isn't from paying the multitude of superstars they have on the roster. The only superstar player they have is Saquan, and he is still on his rookie deal. Unbelievable that we have a bottom five roster, AND we are still up against the cap and can't afford anyone.
He proposed the idea of a trade for offseason discussion purposes. Never once said the Giants were interested in Jones, that a trade was imminent or anything of the sort.
RE: RE: Why is it the Giants can never afford anyone?
Seems like they are always up against the cap number? It isn't from paying the multitude of superstars they have on the roster. The only superstar player they have is Saquan, and he is still on his rookie deal. Unbelievable that we have a bottom five roster, AND we are still up against the cap and can't afford anyone.
yep.. total mismanagement, top to bottom
Mismanagement of the cap is being up against it?? In NFL circles, that's actually looked at a excellent management of the cap.
Seems like they are always up against the cap number? It isn't from paying the multitude of superstars they have on the roster. The only superstar player they have is Saquan, and he is still on his rookie deal. Unbelievable that we have a bottom five roster, AND we are still up against the cap and can't afford anyone.
The cap is fluid and not the firm number that we perceive it to be. We can sign some big free agents this year.
As of right now, in 2022 we will be in the $100M range. If we release Golden Tate, Nate Solder and David Mayo that number increases to about $126M. Of course that number will go down with new draft picks and FA signings from this year but we are in good shape.
Not advocating for the trade but... the numbers are reasonable as they are and can be restructured to be even better for the Giants. Jones will like the restructure because it would give him more guaranteed money.
In the end he will be cheaper then the top FA WR's, however you have to give up a pick and he is older than the other guys. His age makes him a risk.
Another thought, his contract on average is probably just a little bit more than what Curtis Samuel would get. Which would you prefer? Samuel and a 3rd round pick or Jones???
And those that say they will cut him...he has guaranteed money that goes with the new team if they trade him, cutting they are on the hook for it.
Let Atlanta release him to give then cap space, then we’ll talk.
Seems like they are always up against the cap number? It isn't from paying the multitude of superstars they have on the roster. The only superstar player they have is Saquan, and he is still on his rookie deal. Unbelievable that we have a bottom five roster, AND we are still up against the cap and can't afford anyone.
Odd, djm says Giants can afford anybody they want at any time they want. They just need to figure it out.
the 23m cap hit would mean ATL would have bribe someone to take him
nobody is going to be looking to absorb that cap hit when the guy is coming off an injury riddled season. Of course there's no reason to bribe someone to take him as opposed to just cutting if they need to, so that's probably the most likely outcome.
I"m not advocating to sign Julio. My thought is the Giants should look at everyone for the right price.
There are significant benefits to trading for a player, however. When you sign a player in free agency, you need to entie him with the signing bonus. With a trade, the original team eats that bonus so it becomes a lot easier to trade.
Especially since most WR's are of the diva type. A trade for an established player may be the way to go. I would be more amenable to it this year especially as there may not be a combine and limited film of a lot of potential draftees.
He averages >15 yds per reception. In 9 games he got about as many yards as Slayton did in 16 games because he catches a lot more of passes thrown to him (75%!).
The only thing about Jones is his age reliability, and the is real, but he produces when he's on the field. His contract is about what Tate's is, so it would be a bargain move and not a rebuilding piece.
And I agree with what others said, the article is really just speculation.
Like an Greene, always banged up now
If it was for a 4th I would do it only because he is a big target and we are a handful of players away from real contention ( if jones ups his game a bit more)
Deep wr draft, rather sign a c Samuel and draft a war in first 2 rds.
but this does not fit what they want to do, which is get younger and build a team for the long haul. Julio may be a finishing piece for an established team that is looking to get over the top.
^This. We are not one or even two or three players away. We need to rebuild entire units, especially our WRs, TEs, and EDGE players.
As others have noted, his contract is reasonable, but he's 32, and clearly slowing down. I would listen, but probably say no.
but this does not fit what they want to do, which is get younger and build a team for the long haul. Julio may be a finishing piece for an established team that is looking to get over the top.
I think he does actually. The plan has too be to get 2 playmakers and I thought the best course would be to get a vet and draft a rookie. Julio is still an athletic freak and one of the most technical WRs in the league, even at 32. He also does a lot to help his fellow WRs as he acts as an extension of his WR Coach (something I believe he has a want to do after playing). Slayton is still a good outside WR. He’s just not a #1. But you can trade for Julio. Draft a guy that has inside/outside flexibility that can contribute now (say, Jaylen Waddle?) and you have Julio and Slayton outside, Shep and Waddle rotating at slot, Waddle as your return man. Have Julio for 2-3 years helping the WRs.
Sign me up for this trade. If it does not require us giving up a first round pick. Let's say the trade will cost a 4th in 2021, and 2nd in 2022. At the most. Julio Jones is not Allan Robinson, Kenny Golliday, or Chris Godwin. Yes, he's 31 years old, and he's being paid 20 million a year. If the Falcons trade Julio they have to eat 16 million of his contract. Therefore Julio 2021 cap hit for the Giants would be 7 million. Julio only played 12 games this year, and would still been our leading receiver. He doesn't miss games. 2019 he had almost 1500 yards, and everyone knows the ball is going to him. He would have the impact that Diggs had on Josh Alan and Bills. If you put Barkley and Julio on the same team, it would felony for the rest of NFL. He would improve every aspect of the team, and WR big WR age well in the NFL. i.e Owans, Rice, Marshall.
As always, it depends on what it would take to get him. At the right
But that contract is brutal.
before any potential restructure, NYG would be looking at cap hits of $15 / $11 / $11, with no dead cap after year 1. That's the kind of flexibility you want.
ideally a restructure could be reached to get the $15M year 1 number down, even if it means guaranteeing a portion of the 2022 salary.
Yeah man. I agree. After reading that article I’m gonna keep checking the Giants store to get first dibs on a Julio jersey. Should be in stock at any moment
Floated by another writer. Probably his friend or someone he has a close connection with. Beltway Strategy of doing "journalism."
Maybe even this writer is actually him under his pen name? Hmm...
This Doug Rush name has come up here before and we laughed to the heavens about someone using this guy as a credible source.
He's just some Bleacher Report dude. If that.
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Yeah man. I agree. After reading that article I’m gonna keep checking the Giants store to get first dibs on a Julio jersey. Should be in stock at any moment
What number do you think he'll sport now that it's a done deal?
Being that #11 belongs to Simms, maybe he'll buy Eli's "10" to play it safe.
It's mind-boggling.
It's mind-boggling.
If they don’t they’ll most likely be cut outright, especially at their age..They are NOT in a powerful bargaining position..
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think players would be super willing to take paycuts to play for the team they root for.
It's mind-boggling.
If they don’t they’ll most likely be cut outright, especially at their age..They are NOT in a powerful bargaining position..
I agree if it's Alec Ogletree...this is freakin' Julio Jones.
THis is very true. Some teams are projected to be WAY over the cap.
League question - what is the penalty for being over the cap?
yep.. total mismanagement, top to bottom
He proposed the idea of a trade for offseason discussion purposes. Never once said the Giants were interested in Jones, that a trade was imminent or anything of the sort.
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Seems like they are always up against the cap number? It isn't from paying the multitude of superstars they have on the roster. The only superstar player they have is Saquan, and he is still on his rookie deal. Unbelievable that we have a bottom five roster, AND we are still up against the cap and can't afford anyone.
yep.. total mismanagement, top to bottom
Mismanagement of the cap is being up against it?? In NFL circles, that's actually looked at a excellent management of the cap.
The cap is fluid and not the firm number that we perceive it to be. We can sign some big free agents this year.
As of right now, in 2022 we will be in the $100M range. If we release Golden Tate, Nate Solder and David Mayo that number increases to about $126M. Of course that number will go down with new draft picks and FA signings from this year but we are in good shape.
In the end he will be cheaper then the top FA WR's, however you have to give up a pick and he is older than the other guys. His age makes him a risk.
Another thought, his contract on average is probably just a little bit more than what Curtis Samuel would get. Which would you prefer? Samuel and a 3rd round pick or Jones???
And those that say they will cut him...he has guaranteed money that goes with the new team if they trade him, cutting they are on the hook for it.
No reason to make a blockbuster deal for Julio Jones. If Falcons want to give him away for a low round draft pick, that’s a deal worth considering.
cmon now. hes a finishing touch piece, not a building block.
I know we need talent at wr but... hard pass.
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think players would be super willing to take paycuts to play for the team they root for.
It's mind-boggling.
If they don’t they’ll most likely be cut outright, especially at their age..They are NOT in a powerful bargaining position..
I agree if it's Alec Ogletree...this is freakin' Julio Jones.
Yes, a 32 year-old Julio Jones. No one is paying much guaranteed dollars to him, imo..
Odd, djm says Giants can afford anybody they want at any time they want. They just need to figure it out.
Assuming Atlanta has to cover the bonus, looks like Jone's salary would be about:
2021 = 15 mil
2022 = 11.5
2023 = 11.5
Jones always seems to be dinged up and nursing injuries. Not sure if he's worth the money or not. And, not sure these numbers are accurate.
There are significant benefits to trading for a player, however. When you sign a player in free agency, you need to entie him with the signing bonus. With a trade, the original team eats that bonus so it becomes a lot easier to trade.
Especially since most WR's are of the diva type. A trade for an established player may be the way to go. I would be more amenable to it this year especially as there may not be a combine and limited film of a lot of potential draftees.
He averages >15 yds per reception. In 9 games he got about as many yards as Slayton did in 16 games because he catches a lot more of passes thrown to him (75%!).
The only thing about Jones is his age reliability, and the is real, but he produces when he's on the field. His contract is about what Tate's is, so it would be a bargain move and not a rebuilding piece.
And I agree with what others said, the article is really just speculation.
If it was for a 4th I would do it only because he is a big target and we are a handful of players away from real contention ( if jones ups his game a bit more)
Deep wr draft, rather sign a c Samuel and draft a war in first 2 rds.
^This. We are not one or even two or three players away. We need to rebuild entire units, especially our WRs, TEs, and EDGE players.
As others have noted, his contract is reasonable, but he's 32, and clearly slowing down. I would listen, but probably say no.
Agree. Giant scouts are planning out their high school travel schedule as we speak.