Aikman: Donald better than LT, White.

LT, Reggie White and Bruce Smith are all better than Donald.

Did Aikman actually say that? No comparison. For one, they play different positions and secondly ummmm Nope not even close!

all too common in sports and many other things.

But he’s better than OBJ.

Some have said our LW may now be as good as or better than Donald.

But the greatest defensive player of all time is a stretch

In comment 15116370 Sammo85 said:

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all too common in sports and many other things.

Recency bias and the unending need to make whatever is good today out to be the best. We can't just enjoy things for what they are - they have to be classified as the greatest for some reason.

And I mostly like Aikman as an analyst.

But holy heck...

In comment 15116396 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 15116370 Sammo85 said: Quote: all too common in sports and many other things. Recency bias and the unending need to make whatever is good today out to be the best. We can't just enjoy things for what they are - they have to be classified as the greatest for some reason.

It’s probably done most with QB’s

In comment 15116381 Big Blue '56 said:

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Some have said our LW may now be as good as or better than Donald.

You mean people outside of this site? Not even close.

Worse that Bucks blonde dye job and Botox. He should be mocked and kicked out of the HOF for that one. He's gotten steadily worse over the years but that was just fucking stupid.

Deserved its own thread. Donald is a going to the HOF but he's another guy who's just not LT. Not White. What a joke

ever.

I don't know it Danold is even the best DT ever.

See the DTs: Joe Greene, John Randle, Warren Sapp, Cortez Kennedy, etc.

In comment 15116396 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 15116370 Sammo85 said: Quote: all too common in sports and many other things. Recency bias and the unending need to make whatever is good today out to be the best. We can't just enjoy things for what they are - they have to be classified as the greatest for some reason.

Bingo!

In comment 15116396 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 15116370 Sammo85 said: Quote: all too common in sports and many other things. Recency bias and the unending need to make whatever is good today out to be the best. We can't just enjoy things for what they are - they have to be classified as the greatest for some reason.

A coworker the other day told me that Anthony Davis is the best center of all time. Granted, the kid is in his mid 20s, but I had to roll my eyes.

In comment 15116412 bw in dc said:

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ever. I don't know it Danold is even the best DT ever. See the DTs: Joe Greene, John Randle, Warren Sapp, Cortez Kennedy, etc.

If we extend it to DL you can add Deacon Jones as well

In the head. Not even in the same sentence as Reggie or LT. Heck Randy white from Dallas I would tak over him.

I don't see how it's outrageous to throw him in that discussion. It's not recency bias when he's been doing it consistently for the better part of a decade either.

"Better than" may be hyperbole but he's earned the right to sit at that table.

Donald is great, but I don't think he is close to prime JJ Watt let alone LT

at least 33% of the audience is to young to remember LT or White.

In comment 15116412 bw in dc said:

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ever. I don't know it Danold is even the best DT ever. See the DTs: Joe Greene, John Randle, Warren Sapp, Cortez Kennedy, etc.

He's better than Sapp, Randle and Kennedy. No idea on Greene. He's the best interior DL I've seen.

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Donald is great, but I don't think he is close to prime JJ Watt let alone LT

Probably a result of injury but Watt didn't have the staying power. I think peak Donald is just as good too. He's special. That's all Troy was saying.

does not remember well

In comment 15116427 AcesUp said:

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In comment 15116412 bw in dc said: Quote: ever. I don't know it Danold is even the best DT ever. See the DTs: Joe Greene, John Randle, Warren Sapp, Cortez Kennedy, etc. He's better than Sapp, Randle and Kennedy. No idea on Greene. He's the best interior DL I've seen.

Randle had 138 career sacks.

Talk to me when Donald breaks 100.

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ever. I don't know it Danold is even the best DT ever. See the DTs: Joe Greene, John Randle, Warren Sapp, Cortez Kennedy, etc.

He's only played 7 years, but it well on his way to being the best DT ever. Sapp only has 11 more career sacks. He played 6 more seasons.

I don't think Donald is better than LT, but I think some of you aren't giving him enough credit. He's played 7 years. In 5 of those years he has 11 or more sacks. The other 2 years he had 9 (Rookie year) and 8. Donald also has 131 TFL in 110 career games.

In comment 15116434 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15116427 AcesUp said: Quote: In comment 15116412 bw in dc said: Quote: ever. I don't know it Danold is even the best DT ever. See the DTs: Joe Greene, John Randle, Warren Sapp, Cortez Kennedy, etc. He's better than Sapp, Randle and Kennedy. No idea on Greene. He's the best interior DL I've seen. Randle had 138 career sacks. Talk to me when Donald breaks 100.

Will do.

He's an upgraded version of the guy I consider the best interior DL I've seen.

aren't really the defining stat though. Sapp was a dominant force. I'd put Donald on the plane of a notch below Randle, who was on the same level as Kennedy (who didn't have a lot of sacks, but was a plug in the middle).

He's an excellent player, but as pointed out - he's \not even the best DT ever.

He's also dominant against the run. He's not Grady Jarrett. That's what sets him apart from those types, he's a complete player.

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In comment 15116412 bw in dc said: Quote: ever. I don't know it Danold is even the best DT ever. See the DTs: Joe Greene, John Randle, Warren Sapp, Cortez Kennedy, etc. He's only played 7 years, but it well on his way to being the best DT ever. Sapp only has 11 more career sacks. He played 6 more seasons. I don't think Donald is better than LT, but I think some of you aren't giving him enough credit. He's played 7 years. In 5 of those years he has 11 or more sacks. The other 2 years he had 9 (Rookie year) and 8. Donald also has 131 TFL in 110 career games.

Danold is a great player. Let's see how his fully body of work looks when completed.

At one point, JJ Watt was on a "greatest" trajectory, too.

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had gotten in LT's face, the way he did to Donald, they would have been calling an ambulance. The tire marks on Gates would be indelible.

Good player but couldn't shine LT's cleats !

no.

I mean Donald is great, going to the HOF.

But LT was just different.

I think you really had to live thru his era and watch him play to really understand, beyond the highlights.

LT just had football charisma, his play wasn't just great but it lifted his teammates too.

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Some have said our LW may now be as good as or better than Donald.

That’s a joke, right ?

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In comment 15116427 AcesUp said: Quote: In comment 15116412 bw in dc said: Quote: ever. I don't know it Danold is even the best DT ever. See the DTs: Joe Greene, John Randle, Warren Sapp, Cortez Kennedy, etc. He's better than Sapp, Randle and Kennedy. No idea on Greene. He's the best interior DL I've seen. Randle had 138 career sacks. Talk to me when Donald breaks 100.

Of course Randle had more. He played 14 seasons and had 137.5 sacks. He averaged 9.82 sacks per season.

Donald has only played 7 seasons and has 85.5 sacks. Which is 12.21 sacks per season.

Let the GOAT HC weight in...
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In comment 15116381 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: Some have said our LW may now be as good as or better than Donald. That is the epitome of overvaluing our own players. LW has been a pleasant surprise but he’s had one good season. Donald has looked like a future hall of famer basically from the start You mean people outside of this site? Not even close.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I know he played against LT and I'm only a fan, but I still can't buy it.

may be next December when we talk about him cracking 100 sacks...

He's been the consensus best defensive player in football for the last 3-4 years. He was in the discussion with Watt a few years before that.

Does that sound like a defensive player Giants fans knew in the 80s? Special players don't play in only one era.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I know he played against LT and I'm only a fan, but I still can't buy it.

doesn’t remember seeing them. Not cool to make fun of brain damage like that.

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In comment 15116381 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: Some have said our LW may now be as good as or better than Donald. That’s a joke, right ?

I think he's probably just talking about this past season. I personally don't think so, but they had similar numbers.

Donald - 45 tackles, 13.5 sacks, 14 TFL & 27 QB hits.

LW - 57 tackles, 11.5 sacks, 14 TFL and 30 QB hits.

In comment 15116479 AcesUp said:

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may be next December when we talk about him cracking 100 sacks... He's been the consensus best defensive player in football for the last 3-4 years. He was in the discussion with Watt a few years before that. Does that sound like a defensive player Giants fans knew in the 80s? Special players don't play in only one era.

Yeah he will most likely be very close to 100 sacks next season.

Seriously, I think Donald is a great player, but no one is creating a game plan to stop him from influencing the game. Most of us were fortunate to see LT take an entire defense on his back and change the game on a weekly basis

In comment 15116412 bw in dc said:

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ever. I don't know it Danold is even the best DT ever. See the DTs: Joe Greene, John Randle, Warren Sapp, Cortez Kennedy, etc.

LT was not only the best OLB ever he was the best Defensive player ever.

The man wasn’t just dominant but changed the way the game was played and forced HOF coaches like Joe Gibbs to come up with new offensive schemes to try and deal with him.

Before LT I don’t ever remember O’s using an OT to block an OLB or there being an H Back.

In comment 15116479 AcesUp said:

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may be next December when we talk about him cracking 100 sacks... He's been the consensus best defensive player in football for the last 3-4 years. He was in the discussion with Watt a few years before that. Does that sound like a defensive player Giants fans knew in the 80s? Special players don't play in only one era.

Sounds more like Carl Banks than LT.

LT wasn't just special - he transformed the position. That's the part. Ray Lewis was an excellent LB, but LT literally had OC's changing gameplans for him. Blocking schemes were put in place just for him.

Ron Jaworski once called timeout because he couldn't locate where LT was - he was on the bench!

Donald is a great player. There is a big difference.

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may be next December when we talk about him cracking 100 sacks... He's been the consensus best defensive player in football for the last 3-4 years. He was in the discussion with Watt a few years before that. Does that sound like a defensive player Giants fans knew in the 80s? Special players don't play in only one era.

This discussion is a great football IQ test.

You’re not doing very well.

I caught the 90-93 version of LT. Still awesome but probably not the same as prime LT. It's the same one Troy saw when he made that statement though. So I definitely get how calling him "better than LT" is ridiculous. I just think we need to slow down and appreciate the kind of player that Donald is...he's kind of redefining his position in the same way. Maybe not to the extent that LT did at outside pass rusher but Donald is legit and I'm sure there will come a time in 30 years where Rams fans get pissed off when an announcer says that a player is better than him.

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In comment 15116479 AcesUp said: Quote: may be next December when we talk about him cracking 100 sacks... He's been the consensus best defensive player in football for the last 3-4 years. He was in the discussion with Watt a few years before that. Does that sound like a defensive player Giants fans knew in the 80s? Special players don't play in only one era. This discussion is a great football IQ test. You’re not doing very well.

The football IQ test comment is actually a football IQ test. Chew on that.