I know a ton of discussion in the WC game thread, but I thought this stupidity deserved it's own thread.
Oh Troy...
Donald's a great player, Canton bound for sure but better than LT AND White? Well, I guess everyone's entitled to their opinion, no matter how stupid that opinion might be.
To be fair Donald changed football too, just not to extent LT did. Never been a player like Donald and teams had to adjust. But LT is LT.
So Aikman, who was drafted in 89, wasn't watching pro football prior to being taken in draft? Huh?
Well when did he play against Donald?
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Donald is a great player. There is a big difference.
To be fair Donald changed football too, just not to extent LT did. Never been a player like Donald and teams had to adjust. But LT is LT.
I think there’s been a couple of players mentioned is this thread like Donald. He might be a tad better than them maybe but they’re like him.
Not so for LT. There has never been another player like him.
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Donald is a great player. There is a big difference.
To be fair Donald changed football too, just not to extent LT did. Never been a player like Donald and teams had to adjust. But LT is LT.
How did Donald change the game?? Sapp, Randle, Kennedy before him did similar things. Where have coaches put in specific schemes to counteract Donald? Where have league-wide changes been taken going forward like they were with LT?
Donald in a great player, but he hasn't changed the game. He's excelled at it
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"that I've played against".
Well when did he play against Donald?
I could have misheard it. But I remember him saying "I played against LT and Reggie White". The implication is that he's basing his opinion off his time playing against them.
Who cares though? I personally think that LT and White were better but I do think we're splitting hairs if Donald keeps this up. He's the best defensive player of this era.
Well yeh, he's 7 years in. If he maintains like 80% of this pace over the next 5 years he's right there.
Iean, I'll NEVER say a defender is greater than LT. But Donald deserves to have his name mentioned alongside them.
He said “ I played against LT and Reggie White and I think Donald is the best D player ever”. He used his playing experience to give credence to his opinion. As if because he played against them his statement carries more weight and is correct.
For the record I like Troy a lot and think he’s an excellent analysis but totally disagree with his take here.
The guy actually cut off a finger during a game so he could still play.
The guy actually cut off a finger during a game so he could still play.
He cut off his finger during a game? I thought he broke it, then later decided to amputate to avoid long recovery? (Amazing either way)
Here’s the thing though. LT wasn’t just a great outside pass rusher. He could cover guys in pass pro, run guys down when teams rushed away from him and also was used a lot inside by Parcells in goal line D.
He would blow up many goal line plays from the inside but as also able to get it done sideline to sideline from there.
He might be best known for his pass rushing ability but he excelled at so much more and why he was the best ever,
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"that I've played against".
He said “ I played against LT and Reggie White and I think Donald is the best D player ever”. He used his playing experience to give credence to his opinion. As if because he played against them his statement carries more weight and is correct.
For the record I like Troy a lot and think he’s an excellent analysis but totally disagree with his take here.
Yeh that's accurate. The implication is that he's using his play experience with those players from when he played coupled with his time as an analyst to justify that opinion.
I really don't care if Donald is better, I do think he deserves to have a seat at the table though. He is the best defender of this era so by extension, he is deserving of being in the conversation with the best defensive players from other eras.
If you really want to get up in arms, tell me who has been a better defender since 2014? We've brought up Watt, but already agreed that he isn't in the discussion anymore. Who is it? Is there even a debate?
So we're talking about a guy that doesn't even warrant a serious discussion when talking about his contemporaries. That's what LT was. I don't care who was better when we're talking about different players at different positions in different eras. He's that level player based on that fact assuming he kind of keeps it up in the back 1/3 of his career.
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get lost in the sauce for greatest defender of all-time discussion, btw.
The guy actually cut off a finger during a game so he could still play.
He cut off his finger during a game? I thought he broke it, then later decided to amputate to avoid long recovery? (Amazing either way)
You're right - my bad. It was after the game.
Still... ;)
Dude, shut the fuck up and talk football. I don't care who you're talking to, if you're gonna be an asshole at least have the balls to engage who you're talking to. This type of shit drags the site down.
It’s all bs announcers can say without much consequence. Much like predictions, no one every keeps track of this stuff. Not worth getting worked up over.
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I caught the 90-93 version of LT. Still awesome but probably not the same as prime LT. It's the same one Troy saw when he made that statement though. So I definitely get how calling him "better than LT" is ridiculous. I just think we need to slow down and appreciate the kind of player that Donald is...he's kind of redefining his position in the same way. Maybe not to the extent that LT did at outside pass rusher but Donald is legit and I'm sure there will come a time in 30 years where Rams fans get pissed off when an announcer says that a player is better than him.
Here’s the thing though. LT wasn’t just a great outside pass rusher. He could cover guys in pass pro, run guys down when teams rushed away from him and also was used a lot inside by Parcells in goal line D.
He would blow up many goal line plays from the inside but as also able to get it done sideline to sideline from there.
He might be best known for his pass rushing ability but he excelled at so much more and why he was the best ever,
And the Giants used to use him on special teams too.
There’s no one on planet Earth that believes that. Cmon LW has 0.5 sacks last year. He was good this year, but that’s disrespectful to Donald.
This link is to an article comparing him and Michael Dean Perry (he’s the Fridge’s brother).
Michael Dean Perry and Aaron Donald—Statistically Comparable - ( New Window )
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Dude, shut the fuck up and talk football. I don't care who you're talking to, if you're gonna be an asshole at least have the balls to engage who you're talking to. This type of shit drags the site down.
I think he was referring to Aikman, bro
I am not even going to dignify that statement with a response.
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Dude, shut the fuck up and talk football. I don't care who you're talking to, if you're gonna be an asshole at least have the balls to engage who you're talking to. This type of shit drags the site down.
I think he was referring to Aikman, bro
Then I take it back, guy. You've been here long enough to know why I said what I said.
Saying williams is better than Aaron Donald is levels worse than saying Darnold is better than LT/Reggie white. The latter has at least a chance of being close to true when all is said and done
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Donald is great, but I don't think he is close to prime JJ Watt let alone LT
Probably a result of injury but Watt didn't have the staying power. I think peak Donald is just as good too. He's special. That's all Troy was saying.
No he said he's the best ever. Period. It's whst he said and your defending him by changing what he said is one of those I'm not a homer posts that some people seem to feel the need to do. Why I don't know. Donald is t close to LT. period.
Mike Tyson was a bully more than a fighter, destroyed guys who were not as good as him. Didn't do so well against Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield who made him fight.
Like Wilt Chamberlain and the 3-second lane Reggie White change the game of football. Eric Williams slapped the living bed bugs out of him. He had Reggie looking for a place to hide.
They outlawed the offensive lineman's head slap as a consequence, and to my mind those circumstances diminished Reggie's greatness.
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I don't know it Danold is even the best DT ever.
See the DTs: Joe Greene, John Randle, Warren Sapp, Cortez Kennedy, etc.
LT was not only the best OLB ever he was the best Defensive player ever.
The man wasn’t just dominant but changed the way the game was played and forced HOF coaches like Joe Gibbs to come up with new offensive schemes to try and deal with him.
Before LT I don’t ever remember O’s using an OT to block an OLB or there being an H Back.
Sapp is a HOF'er and his career can't touch Donald's. Consider Sapp played 13 seasons and is a 4x All-Pro. Donald has played 7 seasons and is a 5x All-Pro. Donald is likely to win DPOY for the 3rd time this season (Sapp once). I could go through other numbers but Donald is FAR superior to Sapp and that says a lot on it's own.
This is a joke, right? I mean...this is about as ignorant a football statement I've ever read.
Donald has been consistently great every season. That can't be said about Sapp. John Randle is a pretty good comp and Randle was one of the best to ever do it. And I'd still pick Donald.
LT of course, would have none of that. He, supposedly, didn't even lift!
Which partly, to my eyes, is what creates the gulf between LT and everyone else. Donald should be applauded for his unbelievable wirk ethic and desire to be great. He has quickness like a cat, for a DT, but he is nowhere near the bolt of lightning that LT was from the first day he set foot on an NFL gridiron.
LT's power and explosion was something altogether different from anyone else's. If you have never been up close to it and felt it, you can't really judge him compared to anyone else.
Oh well I can't really explain it without sounding ridiculous, but I have seen the type of power LT had naturally in grandmaster level martial artists who took 30 years of breathing training to achieve, and they acknowledged in private conversations that some rare 1:1,000,000 people, like LT, have access to the strength they develop through 20+ years of training, naturally.
LT had that for sure. It was simply obvious when you watched him bull rush OL thst outweighed him by 50#, and he'd toss people his own size around like rag dolls. Literally.
He was just DIFFERENT from everyone else.
I do wish we had taken Donald over OBJ back in the day but alas what is...is...and we must continue to build up the team.
I do wish we had taken Donald over OBJ back in the day but alas what is...is...and we must continue to build up the team.
I disagree with your one point.
LT is 1, all others are a notch below that starts with 2. No one is on the same tier as him IMO.
I’d start with Reggie White as 2a and then Donald is in the discussion at 2b.
I also loved how he said Donald never takes a play off as the camera showed him on the sidelines for the first two snaps of an entire series.
They play different positions so comparing Aaron to LT is wrong. But LT was the best defensive player the NFL has every seen. He would be just as good now as he was then. Remember he played ILB one season when Harry was injured and he dominated there too. Also, Khalil Mack, JJ Watt, and Vonn Miller have been also called the best defensive players in the NFL in the last 5-8 years. Nobody was considered better than LT when he played even with Reggie White playing.
Hindsight is 20/20, but Donald over Beckham would have been the better pick, especially after the injuries and antics played out. I missed that one, many of you did not.