I know a ton of discussion in the WC game thread, but I thought this stupidity deserved it's own thread.
Oh Troy...
Donald's a great player, Canton bound for sure but better than LT AND White? Well, I guess everyone's entitled to their opinion, no matter how stupid that opinion might be.
I pulled stats afterwards, he had like 0 sacks, 5 tackles, 4 ASST in 3 FKNG GAMES, including the SB
He's the Nomar Garciapara of the Rams!!
When you research football history, the DT position might be the most impressive position. It makes sense too since the DT is the closest defensive player to the ball and the game was more run-based back in the day. There are a ton of legendary DTs.
Bob Lilly, Joe Greene, Merlin Olsen, Alan Page, Randy White. Those guys are pretty much the consensus greatest DTs in NFL history in some sort of order. The #1 kind of varies depending on the voter, but generally that's the list. Out of those 5, Alan Page is probably the hardest to place historically because he was the worst run defender of the group but also the best pass rusher. The Purple People Eaters were on the shortlist of the most dominant DLines in NFL history, yet the reason they never won a Super Bowl is because they were vulnerable to having the ball run right down their throats in big games. So despite Page being the only defensive MVP besides LT, a lot of old school writers kind of placed him closer to the bottom of that group rather than the top.
John Randle and Warren Sapp were the evolutionary versions of Alan Page, the pure 4-3 DT pass rushing phenoms who weren't the best run stoppers. Randle was more consistent for longer but Sapp was probably better at his best (as much as I hate the guy). Aaron Donald is in the process of blowing past Randle and Sapp as a DT of this prototype, he's simply more dominant than either of those 2 guys in terms of prime vs. prime. He's won 2 DPOYs and really should win DPOY this year even though they're gonna give it to TJ Watt. He's been the best defensive player in the sport over the last 4 years and it really hasn't been close (Mack, Miller, Watt have all been less consistent/healthy).
So I'd go so far as to say Aaron Donald is the best pass rushing DT since Alan Page and arguably the best DT of the last 35 years. Whether he can pass Alan Page and the other great DTs or not depends on how the rest of his career unfolds, but he's certainly been off to a great start.
Sidenote: I'd personally consider Peak JJ Watt > Peak Aaron Donald by the slightest of margins. As impressive of Donald's ability to wreck the game from an interior DL position is, I felt like Watt was more of an anomaly with the way he overpowered OTs and knocked down so many balls on top of being so dominant vs. both the run and pass.
When you research football history, the DT position might be the most impressive position. It makes sense too since the DT is the closest defensive player to the ball and the game was more run-based back in the day. There are a ton of legendary DTs.
Bob Lilly, Joe Greene, Merlin Olsen, Alan Page, Randy White. Those guys are pretty much the consensus greatest DTs in NFL history in some sort of order. The #1 kind of varies depending on the voter, but generally that's the list. Out of those 5, Alan Page is probably the hardest to place historically because he was the worst run defender of the group but also the best pass rusher. The Purple People Eaters were on the shortlist of the most dominant DLines in NFL history, yet the reason they never won a Super Bowl is because they were vulnerable to having the ball run right down their throats in big games. So despite Page being the only defensive MVP besides LT, a lot of old school writers kind of placed him closer to the bottom of that group rather than the top.
John Randle and Warren Sapp were the evolutionary versions of Alan Page, the pure 4-3 DT pass rushing phenoms who weren't the best run stoppers. Randle was more consistent for longer but Sapp was probably better at his best (as much as I hate the guy). Aaron Donald is in the process of blowing past Randle and Sapp as a DT of this prototype, he's simply more dominant than either of those 2 guys in terms of prime vs. prime. He's won 2 DPOYs and really should win DPOY this year even though they're gonna give it to TJ Watt. He's been the best defensive player in the sport over the last 4 years and it really hasn't been close (Mack, Miller, Watt have all been less consistent/healthy).
So I'd go so far as to say Aaron Donald is the best pass rushing DT since Alan Page and arguably the best DT of the last 35 years. Whether he can pass Alan Page and the other great DTs or not depends on how the rest of his career unfolds, but he's certainly been off to a great start.
Sidenote: I'd personally consider Peak JJ Watt > Peak Aaron Donald by the slightest of margins. As impressive of Donald's ability to wreck the game from an interior DL position is, I felt like Watt was more of an anomaly with the way he overpowered OTs and knocked down so many balls on top of being so dominant vs. both the run and pass.
Excellent post Osi Osi Oy Vey!
The one thing I haven't seen mentioned, when a few folks commented that Donald might not stand up to the greatest DTs in NFL history, let alone a transcendent defender like LT, is that ALL OF those great DTs of history: Lily, White, Greene, Page, Sapp (and we missed noting Buck Buchannon and Curly Culp) all of the historically great DTS had awesome DL linemen aside them and often great LBs behind them - they were prettty much all part of GREAT Front Fours or Front Sevens.
Donald and JJ Watt both - not so much, or not at all parallel. They did a lot more without an amazing surrounding cast.
The East was a brutal dominant division from 81-91. Aikman and Dallas of his time never had to contend with much. 93 Giants gave them a good fight with Simms last stand and LT a old broken down player from who he was. LT has even said he played a little his last couple years. From 81-90.......
I think AD is a incredible talent but not at LT’s level.
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this kind of bold claim forces people to make negative comments on Aaron Donald when we should simply just be in awe of how good he is.
When you research football history, the DT position might be the most impressive position. It makes sense too since the DT is the closest defensive player to the ball and the game was more run-based back in the day. There are a ton of legendary DTs.
Bob Lilly, Joe Greene, Merlin Olsen, Alan Page, Randy White. Those guys are pretty much the consensus greatest DTs in NFL history in some sort of order. The #1 kind of varies depending on the voter, but generally that's the list. Out of those 5, Alan Page is probably the hardest to place historically because he was the worst run defender of the group but also the best pass rusher. The Purple People Eaters were on the shortlist of the most dominant DLines in NFL history, yet the reason they never won a Super Bowl is because they were vulnerable to having the ball run right down their throats in big games. So despite Page being the only defensive MVP besides LT, a lot of old school writers kind of placed him closer to the bottom of that group rather than the top.
John Randle and Warren Sapp were the evolutionary versions of Alan Page, the pure 4-3 DT pass rushing phenoms who weren't the best run stoppers. Randle was more consistent for longer but Sapp was probably better at his best (as much as I hate the guy). Aaron Donald is in the process of blowing past Randle and Sapp as a DT of this prototype, he's simply more dominant than either of those 2 guys in terms of prime vs. prime. He's won 2 DPOYs and really should win DPOY this year even though they're gonna give it to TJ Watt. He's been the best defensive player in the sport over the last 4 years and it really hasn't been close (Mack, Miller, Watt have all been less consistent/healthy).
So I'd go so far as to say Aaron Donald is the best pass rushing DT since Alan Page and arguably the best DT of the last 35 years. Whether he can pass Alan Page and the other great DTs or not depends on how the rest of his career unfolds, but he's certainly been off to a great start.
Sidenote: I'd personally consider Peak JJ Watt > Peak Aaron Donald by the slightest of margins. As impressive of Donald's ability to wreck the game from an interior DL position is, I felt like Watt was more of an anomaly with the way he overpowered OTs and knocked down so many balls on top of being so dominant vs. both the run and pass.
Excellent post Osi Osi Oy Vey!
The one thing I haven't seen mentioned, when a few folks commented that Donald might not stand up to the greatest DTs in NFL history, let alone a transcendent defender like LT, is that ALL OF those great DTs of history: Lily, White, Greene, Page, Sapp (and we missed noting Buck Buchannon and Curly Culp) all of the historically great DTS had awesome DL linemen aside them and often great LBs behind them - they were prettty much all part of GREAT Front Fours or Front Sevens.
Donald and JJ Watt both - not so much, or not at all parallel. They did a lot more without an amazing surrounding cast.
Donald's career he's been w some ripe end DLs. Fowler and Brockers foe a few years. Robert Quinn. Now they added Leonard Floyd. He's a HOF player but people most Seem to not need to act like he's the only player on that D. And know w Ramsey? They always had a great secondary.
He's one of the best DTs. We get it hit your post is
Just wrong
I won't go into the linebakers behind those great DL, but will mention Donald performed at a very high level with Alec Ogletree... And we damn well know what a piece of garbage he is/was.
Back in the day, without free agency and a salary cap, the better teams accumulated obscene levels of talent. The Rams, to keep Donald at his salary and the cap, have had to let talented folks go.
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In comment 15117085 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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this kind of bold claim forces people to make negative comments on Aaron Donald when we should simply just be in awe of how good he is.
When you research football history, the DT position might be the most impressive position. It makes sense too since the DT is the closest defensive player to the ball and the game was more run-based back in the day. There are a ton of legendary DTs.
Bob Lilly, Joe Greene, Merlin Olsen, Alan Page, Randy White. Those guys are pretty much the consensus greatest DTs in NFL history in some sort of order. The #1 kind of varies depending on the voter, but generally that's the list. Out of those 5, Alan Page is probably the hardest to place historically because he was the worst run defender of the group but also the best pass rusher. The Purple People Eaters were on the shortlist of the most dominant DLines in NFL history, yet the reason they never won a Super Bowl is because they were vulnerable to having the ball run right down their throats in big games. So despite Page being the only defensive MVP besides LT, a lot of old school writers kind of placed him closer to the bottom of that group rather than the top.
John Randle and Warren Sapp were the evolutionary versions of Alan Page, the pure 4-3 DT pass rushing phenoms who weren't the best run stoppers. Randle was more consistent for longer but Sapp was probably better at his best (as much as I hate the guy). Aaron Donald is in the process of blowing past Randle and Sapp as a DT of this prototype, he's simply more dominant than either of those 2 guys in terms of prime vs. prime. He's won 2 DPOYs and really should win DPOY this year even though they're gonna give it to TJ Watt. He's been the best defensive player in the sport over the last 4 years and it really hasn't been close (Mack, Miller, Watt have all been less consistent/healthy).
So I'd go so far as to say Aaron Donald is the best pass rushing DT since Alan Page and arguably the best DT of the last 35 years. Whether he can pass Alan Page and the other great DTs or not depends on how the rest of his career unfolds, but he's certainly been off to a great start.
Sidenote: I'd personally consider Peak JJ Watt > Peak Aaron Donald by the slightest of margins. As impressive of Donald's ability to wreck the game from an interior DL position is, I felt like Watt was more of an anomaly with the way he overpowered OTs and knocked down so many balls on top of being so dominant vs. both the run and pass.
Excellent post Osi Osi Oy Vey!
The one thing I haven't seen mentioned, when a few folks commented that Donald might not stand up to the greatest DTs in NFL history, let alone a transcendent defender like LT, is that ALL OF those great DTs of history: Lily, White, Greene, Page, Sapp (and we missed noting Buck Buchannon and Curly Culp) all of the historically great DTS had awesome DL linemen aside them and often great LBs behind them - they were prettty much all part of GREAT Front Fours or Front Sevens.
Donald and JJ Watt both - not so much, or not at all parallel. They did a lot more without an amazing surrounding cast.
Donald's career he's been w some ripe end DLs. Fowler and Brockers foe a few years. Robert Quinn. Now they added Leonard Floyd. He's a HOF player but people most Seem to not need to act like he's the only player on that D. And know w Ramsey? They always had a great secondary.
He's one of the best DTs. We get it hit your post is
Just wrong
Those players greatly benefit from Donald's greatness, not the other way around. Brockers probably owes half his paycheck to Donald's greatness.