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Watching the 2002 playoff game vs. SF (the ending that is)

Leg of Theismann : 1/10/2021 2:28 am
No I’m not a masochist lol but I realized I had never brought myself to watch this again and figured enough time had passed now that I could handle. Turns out I was wrong. I’m like just as pissed now as I was back then...

I’m watching this thinking: not only was it 3rd town, but the Giants also had a time-out left. What the hell was Matt Allen doing? The whole point of kicking it on 3rd down (the advantage that is) is you can spike it or fall on the ball and try it again. Either one since they had a TO. How did he not have that situational awareness? Or, was this the play that inspired the concept of kicking on 3rd down? Just like “the fumble” Inspired the victory formation?? It just seemed so obvious to me that once that snap was bad and he didn’t get it down he could’ve just spiked the ball. I had forgotten that aspect of it. I mean of course “65 was eligible” was the WORST part of the whole thing, along with it being a 24 point lead erased, but this all just made it worse.

I blame Fassel too for not preparing his special teams for that situation, and I blame him for not arguing with the ref about Seubert being eligible since that was the whole point of that particular fucking “fire” play. He literally just nods his head and runs to the middle of the field to give Mariucci a kiss on the lips (okay I made that part up).

Also, question: seubert was called for ineligible man downfield... were there other Giants linemen also downfield and they just named his number? Or no? Was wondering if the refs had realized 65 was indeed eligible they would’ve called the PI but would they have also gotten one of the other lineman causing offsetting penalties? And does offsetting penalties end the game? Or is there still an untimed down after that?
Or was it really that the ball should’ve been placed inside the 5 for one more untimed down?
Sorry for typos  
Leg of Theismann : 1/10/2021 2:28 am : link
On my phone
Sorry 69* was eligible  
Leg of Theismann : 1/10/2021 2:33 am : link
But I just realized 65 was also downfield so they would’ve gotten him for that and penalties would’ve offset? There’s still an untimed down in that situation though right? Or no?
It was actually, "69 is eligible".  
Optimus-NY : 1/10/2021 2:35 am : link
The crowd at old Giants Stadium always used to get a chuckle outta that one!
Yeah just found this (Link below)  
Leg of Theismann : 1/10/2021 2:36 am : link
That was the “should’ve been call”. Offsetting penalties and replay the down. Should’ve never even had to worry about that though if Allen just spikes the ball it would’ve been the exact same result as that.
Link - ( New Window )
What's ironic is that Larry MacDuff was a shitty S.T.s coach, but  
Optimus-NY : 1/10/2021 2:36 am : link
Jimbo's own son turned out to be a fantastic one. Our STs during the Fassel era were abysmal.
RE: It was actually,  
Leg of Theismann : 1/10/2021 2:55 am : link
In comment 15116855 Optimus-NY said:
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The crowd at old Giants Stadium always used to get a chuckle outta that one!


Ah yup I remember that!! That’s a good point lol how could I have forgotten that it was 69 in the first place lmao
Lol now I’m watching  
Leg of Theismann : 1/10/2021 5:41 am : link
The 1997 playoff loss to the Vikings. Vikings taking forever huddling hope between snaps even though they’re down 2 scores with 4 min to play Mx then they punt it!! I keep asking myself HOW did the Giants lose this game. I still don’t believe right now they are going to lose lol. Then I have to keep reminding myself: ohh right Chris Calloway. It’s weird though the way the Vikings were conducting business that late in the game it’s like they were counting on a miraculous TD and onside kick recovery and knew it would happen.

How about the fact that as a kid my earliest Giants memories began in 1992, so when is saw all these horrific losses I didn’t have the super bowl memories to make me feel better. Hence why 2007 was so particularly glorious for me. Whole time during that playoff run I was wondering how the Giants were planning on fucking everything up lol.
Fuck Chris Calloway  
Leg of Theismann : 1/10/2021 5:52 am : link
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they lost that game when Shockey dropped a sure TD  
Victor in CT : 1/10/2021 8:22 am : link
pass. He was too busy thinking about how to win the water throwing contest with the idiot 49er fans near the bench.
RE: Fuck Chris Calloway  
EricJ : 1/10/2021 8:27 am : link
In comment 15116863 Leg of Theismann said:
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you didn't like Chris Calloway?
That game never should’ve come down to that play.  
BrianLeonard23 : 1/10/2021 8:34 am : link
They had a huge lead in the fourth quarter that they completely pissed away.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/10/2021 8:52 am : link
Just a horrible, horrible ending.
If Shockey makes the TD catch..  
Sean : 1/10/2021 9:00 am : link
The game is likely over at 42-14 because that makes it a 4 TD deficit. Not only did the Giants give up that lead at 38-14, they gave up two straight 2 point conversions which was huge in the outcome.
RE: they lost that game when Shockey dropped a sure TD  
Tuckrule : 1/10/2021 11:46 am : link
In comment 15116887 Victor in CT said:
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pass. He was too busy thinking about how to win the water throwing contest with the idiot 49er fans near the bench.


And his stupid smile afterwards Didnt help matters. He was selfish. Same thing early in the game instead of getting a touchdown he decided to try punish Julian Peterson falling short of the end zone
God bless you guys for putting yourselves through that  
mfsd : 1/10/2021 12:15 pm : link
worst day I can ever recall as a Giants fan. I was dating a girl at the time who was from Bay Area and watching with her and all her 49er fan friends

I talked a ton of trash all the way through, then had to sit in silence while we blew it, and skulk home a beaten man. I’ll never get over it.

Aside from the obvious big plays (Shockey, the clusterfuck FG attempt at the end), I just remember our defense was totally gassed, and they kept having Sehorn try and cover TO man to man. Zero ability to adapt and stop the momentum down the stretch
RE: God bless you guys for putting yourselves through that  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/10/2021 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15117087 mfsd said:
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worst day I can ever recall as a Giants fan. I was dating a girl at the time who was from Bay Area and watching with her and all her 49er fan friends

I talked a ton of trash all the way through, then had to sit in silence while we blew it, and skulk home a beaten man. I’ll never get over it.

Aside from the obvious big plays (Shockey, the clusterfuck FG attempt at the end), I just remember our defense was totally gassed, and they kept having Sehorn try and cover TO man to man. Zero ability to adapt and stop the momentum down the stretch


Worst loss I've ever experienced as a fan in sports. XXV sucked, but that was a blowout. Collapse vs. Eagles in 2010 hurt like hell too, but it was regular season.
Matt Allen even  
bluepepper : 1/10/2021 1:59 pm : link
worse because Junkins had botched the previous snap. It wasn't like Allen was unprepared for some unlikely 1 out of a 100 event. He was unprepared for a repeat of what happened like 15 minutes ago.
If the final play had been officiated correctly  
BlackLight : 1/10/2021 2:28 pm : link
it would've been offsetting penalties - DPI and ineligible man downfield - and the result would've been an untimed down from the same spot as the FG try. And we still would've lost, since I can't fathom that Junkin, Allen, and Bryant would've gotten the issue sorted out.
RE: RE: God bless you guys for putting yourselves through that  
Greg from LI : 1/10/2021 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15117219 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Worst loss I've ever experienced as a fan in sports. XXV sucked, but that was a blowout. Collapse vs. Eagles in 2010 hurt like hell too, but it was regular season.


1989 Rams playoff loss was worse. That team was a legit contender, the 2002 Giants weren't.
RE: RE: RE: God bless you guys for putting yourselves through that  
Bramton1 : 1/10/2021 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15117289 Greg from LI said:
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Worst loss I've ever experienced as a fan in sports. XXV sucked, but that was a blowout. Collapse vs. Eagles in 2010 hurt like hell too, but it was regular season.



1989 Rams playoff loss was worse. That team was a legit contender, the 2002 Giants weren't.


I don't know, the 2002 team was running pretty hot at the close of the season. I think they would have had a legitimate chance to beat the Bucs. Now would they have beaten the Eagles in Philly. That I don't know. We barely beat an Eagles team that had nothing to play for in Week 17 and started the immortal A.J. Feeley.

That being said, I remember after the season, Mara said the look in everyone's eyes after the game was the same look he saw after the Bears game in '85. So I was excited for 2003.

How wrong Wellington (and I) was...
RE: RE: Fuck Chris Calloway  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 2:03 am : link
In comment 15116891 EricJ said:
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you didn't like Chris Calloway?


Haha nah I actually remember I liked him. But when I posted that last night I’d just seen that onside kick go off his hands right into Minni’s hands. And I just felt a wave of hatred come over me. Like— come on Chris, catching a ball coming right at you? Do you remember what you get paid to do exactly?
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