I see a lot of talk about signing a stud WR like Allen Robinson or Kenny Golladay this offseason. In my opinion, we shouldn't sign either.
While Allen Robinson is a bonafide stud, he will command top dollar and will turn 28 before the season begins. Pass.
Kenny Golladay is another stud, when healthy, but really hasn't live up to the hype. He also couldn't stay (or even get) on the field this season to save his life. I'm not interested in shelling out a massive contract to an injury prone player that will turn 28 in November.
Given our draft position and the decent possibility that one of the top 3 WRs will be on the board at 11, I think there are far more sensible options to go after in FA.
My top target is Corey Davis. A stud coming out of college, tough as nails, productive (in a historically unfriendly passing O), and waiting for an opportunity to truly blossom. He would be a value signing relative to the others at the top of the market and is turning 26 tomorrow. I also think he would be a great cultural fit.
If we can't land Davis, I think we need to pursue Curtis Samuel. Young, explosive, and another relative value.
I've seen Marvin Jones' name tossed around (and he is a good player), but he will turn 31 in March. Hard pass for me.
I'd be okay with kicking the tires on John Ross, Keelan Cole, Nelson Agholor, Chris Conley, Rashard Higgins, Demarcus Robinson, and others, but I think we're looking to make a bigger splash than that.
If I'm DG, I'm fairly adamant I'm going out and getting Corey Davis or Curtis Samuel.
Age should be a huge emphasis when signing free agents.
Another name to think about is Kendrick Bourne. 6’1” and turns 26 in April. Underutilized in the San Francisco offense. Should be affordable, and has a knack for getting open and making plays.
With all this said, I still think that if one of the top 3 wide receivers in the draft (Smith, Chase, Waddle) makes it to 11, that would be the best value.
I think Golladay may be gettable on a very fair deal. 3/45m or something like that with a potential opt out. I don't know the Lions cap situation and obviously they are going to go through a roster transition, but if he hits the open market I suspect he will be a guy who gets less than people think.
jmo but the NYG will end up with 1 of Godwin, Davis, or Golladay. Don't think they will go after Samuel or JJSS because they already have Shepard in the slot. It's a pretty good year to be shopping for a WR in FA.
I don't want to pay that a ton of money.
I think scheme was limited this year but diversity of options and game breaking talent was evident in our offensive troubles.
Golladay intrigues because he’s a bigger flanker type of receiver as is Robinson but there’s major risk with injury history and cost. I could see a Curtis Samuel and maybe a high draft pick in 1st or 2nd. Engram killed Jones this year and they need a big burly legit TE target to get the tough catches on 3rd down and in red zone.
I’m a big Corey Davis fan. I think he’s ready to break out and given Titans have to pay big and extend AJ Brown in another year not sure they can afford two huge contracts given they need to badly reinvest in their D (pass rush, secondary) too.
I think Golladay may be gettable on a very fair deal. 3/45m or something like that with a potential opt out. I don't know the Lions cap situation and obviously they are going to go through a roster transition, but if he hits the open market I suspect he will be a guy who gets less than people think.
jmo but the NYG will end up with 1 of Godwin, Davis, or Golladay. Don't think they will go after Samuel or JJSS because they already have Shepard in the slot. It's a pretty good year to be shopping for a WR in FA.
I don’t see any way Bucs let Godwin leave. Big body, good route runner, great hands that helps with some issues with some limits on lateral movement and separation.
A lot of one year deals possibly too. When the cap goes back up, potentially the following year, those same FAs will be looking for their pay days!
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remember when Alshon Jeffrey went to the Eagles? Or when the Bears signed Allen Robinson because he was coming off an ACL?
I think Golladay may be gettable on a very fair deal. 3/45m or something like that with a potential opt out. I don't know the Lions cap situation and obviously they are going to go through a roster transition, but if he hits the open market I suspect he will be a guy who gets less than people think.
jmo but the NYG will end up with 1 of Godwin, Davis, or Golladay. Don't think they will go after Samuel or JJSS because they already have Shepard in the slot. It's a pretty good year to be shopping for a WR in FA.
I don’t see any way Bucs let Godwin leave. Big body, good route runner, great hands that helps with some issues with some limits on lateral movement and separation.
They’d have to franchise him to keep him. I can’t imagine, with all the salaries already on that team, that they’d be capable of doing that. They still have plenty of playmakers on that team even without Godwin. That said, I think Godwin would be a pretty big signing. He’s a great WR and is starting to hit his stride.
I think there's gonna be a good value on the high end wide receivers in free agency this year. Not only do a lot a lot of teams not have cap room there's also been 2 drafts in a row now with a lot of receiver tablet.
They project to have $17m in effective cap space so a franchise tag seems difficult to accommodate for any of them but if they did I'd guess Lavonte David would be most likely. I'm sure like most teams they can cut players to save some money but there's only 2 players on their roster who would save them $8m+ and they're starters on the OL so it would seem unlikely (Donovan Smith + Ryan Jensen).
With Evans and some interesting young guys I'd guess they let Godwin walk unless he's signing a very reasonable extension. Gotta think they are going to be more likely to put resources into their defensive free agents.
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Giants are going to devote financial resources to the offense. They absolutely have to. There is next to no high priced offensive talent on this team save for zietler and solder and both aren’t in the long term plan.
If Godwin springs free the giants will be all over him like a cheap(expensive ) suit. I’m curious about Antonio brown’s contract with Tampa. If he’s got another year there maybe they feel inclined to let Godwin walk. One can only hope.
Giants are going to devote financial resources to the offense. They absolutely have to. There is next to no high priced offensive talent on this team save for zietler and solder and both aren’t in the long term plan.
If Godwin springs free the giants will be all over him like a cheap(expensive ) suit. I’m curious about Antonio brown’s contract with Tampa. If he’s got another year there maybe they feel inclined to let Godwin walk. One can only hope.
I’m not completely sold on Godwin. I know he has had injury issues this year, but I was expecting him to thrive with Brady in the Welker/Edelman type role and it really hasn’t happened. I also don’t know that his style is what we need on the roster right now. He’s still a guy who likes up in the slot quite a bit. I’d like to see us either get a big body type guy that we can lob it up to on those corner fades or a speedster Tyreek Hill type like Waddle from Alabama.
He's at the top of the list for me followed by Golladay. Golladay's injury history scares me, but I like his talent. Corey would be a homerun, but at what cost. I'm afraid he's going to have a big price tag.
I’d be surprised if any of these guys get close to $20M, and if they do, walk away. Corey Davis would be a good get, all things being equal, he’d be my 2nd choice of the 3 (Gollaway’s injury history concerns me). Robinson is my first choice, not a burner by any means, but tall, strong and tough. He is a gamer.
Also wouldn’t write in ink that the Giants go WR at 11. There are other needs as well, ER, CB, OL, so I think DG will go for the best player out of those 4 position groups. He cannot, howeve, completely ignore the WR position again.
Absent Barkley, the offense really lacked speed. That led to a lot of congestion. Finding a bona fide field stretching threat is the biggest offensive need, IMO.
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Don’t just look at this year’s cap space, which can be misleading to begin with but look at the cap space or financials beyond this season. It opens up even more so. Plus, if/when they sign Williams his first year hit can he as low as needed.
Giants are going to devote financial resources to the offense. They absolutely have to. There is next to no high priced offensive talent on this team save for zietler and solder and both aren’t in the long term plan.
If Godwin springs free the giants will be all over him like a cheap(expensive ) suit. I’m curious about Antonio brown’s contract with Tampa. If he’s got another year there maybe they feel inclined to let Godwin walk. One can only hope.
I’m not completely sold on Godwin. I know he has had injury issues this year, but I was expecting him to thrive with Brady in the Welker/Edelman type role and it really hasn’t happened. I also don’t know that his style is what we need on the roster right now. He’s still a guy who likes up in the slot quite a bit. I’d like to see us either get a big body type guy that we can lob it up to on those corner fades or a speedster Tyreek Hill type like Waddle from Alabama.
I hear you Godwin isn’t exactly the big target but I thought I saw something that said he can and will win on the outside enough to feel good about him.
Corey Davis might work too as he’s more a potential and less money type and he’s a giant target. Not sure how good he is though. He wasn’t exactly held back the last two years with tannenhill under center. And his production was just ok.
[quote] “Stud” too often. I don’t see Robinson or Gollaway as studs. I don’t think either is a #1 on a good team, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be valuable additions. About the only use of stud that I would agree with is Corey Davis at W Mich, but it is a mid-tier D1 program."
Haha fair criticism, even if 100% subjective. I completely disagree however, that neither couldn't be a #1 WR on a good team.
This team needs a guy outside who can win 50-50 balls. Samuel is a gadget guy who would excel in the slot. We have enough slot guys.
You don’t want to pay aging players for past production. The key to free agency is finding players who are about to break out.
Curtis Samuel fits this description. He has improved on his catches in yards every single season since he has been drafted. He had 77 catches for 851 yards on a weak Carolina team that played with their starting QB due to injury for stretches last season.
Hey may not be the flashy signing, but he would certainly help this weak offense. At only 24 years old, he is just starting to scratch the surface of his potential.
The problem is #1 WR’s rarely hit the open market. And when they do, they get paid handsomely.
That is why I think they’d be better off drafting one of the top 3 WR’s (Smith, Chase, Waddle) at #11, and sign an edge rusher and CB.
It would really help if we knew what Sam Beal is capable of....
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Jesus this fan base has accepted mediocrity just like ownership. What has happened to my Giants!?? Good grief.
You don’t want to pay aging players for past production. The key to free agency is finding players who are about to break out.
Curtis Samuel fits this description. He has improved on his catches in yards every single season since he has been drafted. He had 77 catches for 851 yards on a weak Carolina team that played with their starting QB due to injury for stretches last season.
Hey may not be the flashy signing, but he would certainly help this weak offense. At only 24 years old, he is just starting to scratch the surface of his potential.
Agree with you. The underneath stuff alone he could turn into huge YAC. He has 4.3 speed and is a very solidly built 5'11 200 lber. I would love to sign him to a mid range contract after bringing back DT and LW. Then draft a bigger wide receiver.
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We have a full array of #2, slots, etc. We need a goto, dependable top guy. I think Robinson absolutely fits the bill if we go the FA route. This would allow us to take a CB/Edge BPA at #11.
The problem is #1 WR’s rarely hit the open market. And when they do, they get paid handsomely.
That is why I think they’d be better off drafting one of the top 3 WR’s (Smith, Chase, Waddle) at #11, and sign an edge rusher and CB.
It would really help if we knew what Sam Beal is capable of....
I agree that if we don't sign a top FA WR, then we definitely should use our 1st or 2nd rd pick on a WR. Its a glaring hole for us. It comes down to who will be there at #11 really.
hard pass on samuel. they need an outside guy that can win 1-1s. that's NOT samuel
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Jesus this fan base has accepted mediocrity just like ownership. What has happened to my Giants!?? Good grief.
You don’t want to pay aging players for past production. The key to free agency is finding players who are about to break out.
Curtis Samuel fits this description. He has improved on his catches in yards every single season since he has been drafted. He had 77 catches for 851 yards on a weak Carolina team that played with their starting QB due to injury for stretches last season.
Hey may not be the flashy signing, but he would certainly help this weak offense. At only 24 years old, he is just starting to scratch the surface of his potential.
Agree with you. The underneath stuff alone he could turn into huge YAC. He has 4.3 speed and is a very solidly built 5'11 200 lber. I would love to sign him to a mid range contract after bringing back DT and LW. Then draft a bigger wide receiver.
He’s a nice player but mostly productive out of the slot. We have guys that can do that. We need a TRUE #1 PLAYMAKER.
I've said it many times; cluster draft at WR. Keep the defense together. Get a CB in the first 2 rounds if the value is there.
TE also needs to be addressed just as much as WR. A TE with reliable hands would help this offense immediately.
But if they insist on paying for one, get someone you know is good...Robinson. He's the best of the bunch. Better to pay him $20M than to pay Corey Davis $12M. It's an overpay, but at least you solve the #1 WR spot. Bringing in Davis doesn't even improve the position.
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In comment 15117284 Vin_Cuccs said:
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In comment 15117262 MtDizzle said:
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Jesus this fan base has accepted mediocrity just like ownership. What has happened to my Giants!?? Good grief.
You don’t want to pay aging players for past production. The key to free agency is finding players who are about to break out.
Curtis Samuel fits this description. He has improved on his catches in yards every single season since he has been drafted. He had 77 catches for 851 yards on a weak Carolina team that played with their starting QB due to injury for stretches last season.
Hey may not be the flashy signing, but he would certainly help this weak offense. At only 24 years old, he is just starting to scratch the surface of his potential.
Agree with you. The underneath stuff alone he could turn into huge YAC. He has 4.3 speed and is a very solidly built 5'11 200 lber. I would love to sign him to a mid range contract after bringing back DT and LW. Then draft a bigger wide receiver.
He’s a nice player but mostly productive out of the slot. We have guys that can do that. We need a TRUE #1 PLAYMAKER.
I disagree. He has Santana Moss speed and leaping ability. I think could be a similar deep threat in addition to the crossing stuff.
Again, we are talking mid level guys and dollars. Grab him to be a guy to help Slayton stretch the field and then get a biggish receiver in the draft.
Spending hige dollars on a WR that has injury concerns, age concerns or trouble with being consistent is a far worse approach. Samuel would be fine as a Y with whom you can do things running the ball as well.
As for the others , as noted above you are moving those receivers up in pay scale , mis-categorizing them as #1s.
John Mara has had way too much to say about personnel (JJ Jernigan , etc) over these forlorn years . I could see them entering the chase for Robinson . But that would merely exacerbate other problems .
I think Giant fans are going to be very disappointed with the team’s activity this coming UFA signing period . I think they will get Tomlinson done . No one else .
I'd draft and develop my own WRs, CBs, and Edges at this point and pick my UFA spots very carefully. The UFA "answers" aren't worth the money or risk.
Exactly. I feel like I'm drinking crazy juice when people throw out Davis name. He's been underwhelming so far in his career and disappears in big spots. I watched a couple of Titans games this year (when Davis stock is supposedly rising), and he did nothing against GB and did nothing yesterday and wasn't even in the game on the final drive.
I just looked at his stats and he had 3 or fewer catches in 6 games. Had 0 catches in 3 games. That's terrible.
I'd draft and develop my own WRs, CBs, and Edges at this point and pick my UFA spots very carefully. The UFA "answers" aren't worth the money or risk.
Yeah, I agree that none of the guys mentioned are #1's, but that is OK, as long as they are paid accordingly. As I said earlier, I think Godwin will be the WR that gets a big payday, we'll see what happens with the others.
Allen Robinson has 200 catches, 2500 yds and 13 TD's over the past 2 seasons with an awful QB situation. If the price is right, I'd love to bring him on board. The best way to get a game-breaking WR is in the draft, but you can't expect them to contribute right away.
Bringing in a reasonably priced vet can be a bridge to drafting WR's and getting them to the point where they can produce.
If they absolutely must sign a WR, it should be Robinson. Bet on him being better with some talent around him versus the offensive talent desert in Chicago.