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1st and 10 : 1/11/2021 6:17 am
Just to restate prior posts, I know a few people in the industry, but none are connected to any 1 team.

On that, I am hearing very strong indications that Doug is out of as the HC of the Eagles.

Take it for what its worth, but one of the main reasons is he has lost the locker room, including burning a bridge with both Wentz and Hurts.
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Lost it because of the WFT  
section125 : 1/11/2021 6:32 am : link
game or regular season stuff?
The main issue  
1st and 10 : 1/11/2021 6:35 am : link
is the Washington game. He lost the locker room and his comments after about the other QB (and not Hurts) giving the team the best chance to win was one of the main issues as no one was buying it (players). Eagles GM feels Pederson has lost the lock room because of this and that is the main reason for not bringing him back.

Both sources do not know if the owner is on board with letting Pederson go.
Keep him around.  
johnnyb : 1/11/2021 7:04 am : link
Love to see team disunity with a division rival.
RE: The main issue  
section125 : 1/11/2021 7:12 am : link
In comment 15118209 1st and 10 said:
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is the Washington game. He lost the locker room and his comments after about the other QB (and not Hurts) giving the team the best chance to win was one of the main issues as no one was buying it (players). Eagles GM feels Pederson has lost the lock room because of this and that is the main reason for not bringing him back.

Both sources do not know if the owner is on board with letting Pederson go.


My problem with this is that someone told Pedersen to tank that game. He did not do it himself, because if he did he would have been gone right after the game.

Maybe he wants to be out of there, so he made the comments to force their hand. The FO and owner cannot come out and say blame us.
I wonder pulling Hurts  
Chip : 1/11/2021 7:15 am : link
came from ownership
RE: RE: The main issue  
1st and 10 : 1/11/2021 7:19 am : link
In comment 15118220 section125 said:
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In comment 15118209 1st and 10 said:


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is the Washington game. He lost the locker room and his comments after about the other QB (and not Hurts) giving the team the best chance to win was one of the main issues as no one was buying it (players). Eagles GM feels Pederson has lost the lock room because of this and that is the main reason for not bringing him back.

Both sources do not know if the owner is on board with letting Pederson go.



My problem with this is that someone told Pedersen to tank that game. He did not do it himself, because if he did he would have been gone right after the game.

Maybe he wants to be out of there, so he made the comments to force their hand. The FO and owner cannot come out and say blame us.


I have the same issue, so I don't know what to believe when it comes to info on him staying or going. At the minimum, that whole organization greatly underestimated the repercussions of that last game.

I think one of the other issues in letting him go (this is my opinion) is they are getting into a very big pool of teams that need HC so their search will be competitive.

As well, the Eagles are not really set up to win within the next few years due to cap and roster issues. It is not a very appealing destination in my view.
I think Eric B (Chiefs) is going  
jvm52106 : 1/11/2021 7:26 am : link
to end up the new coach of the Eagles and Pedersen ends up in Houston!
Seeing the disfunction in the other teams in the East  
Gman11 : 1/11/2021 7:27 am : link
does my heart good.
Watch the Eagles get draft compensation for Pederson in a trade  
Sean : 1/11/2021 7:29 am : link
.
RE: RE: RE: The main issue  
section125 : 1/11/2021 7:35 am : link
In comment 15118223 1st and 10 said:
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I have the same issue, so I don't know what to believe when it comes to info on him staying or going. At the minimum, that whole organization greatly underestimated the repercussions of that last game.

I think one of the other issues in letting him go (this is my opinion) is they are getting into a very big pool of teams that need HC so their search will be competitive.

As well, the Eagles are not really set up to win within the next few years due to cap and roster issues. It is not a very appealing destination in my view.


Thanks for the info. If Pedersen was told to tank, he can never open his mouth to say what happened because he would then never get an NFL job again. So he has to take one for the team in silence.

I think you are right - get rid of him, strip the team and total rebuild.
RE: I think Eric B (Chiefs) is going  
giants#1 : 1/11/2021 8:08 am : link
In comment 15118226 jvm52106 said:
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to end up the new coach of the Eagles and Pedersen ends up in Houston!


That's possible, but Eric B likely has his pick of jobs and I don't know how a team with major QB issues, an aging roster, and negative cap space is appealing, especially considering HC's are getting even shorter leashes now than they used to (lots of recent examples of guys canned after 2 years).

Jets and Jags are both more enticing to me. Bring in several top FAs you want with their ample cap space plus a rookie QB likely gets him extra leeway for the inevitable growing pains.
He completely butchered  
Dnew15 : 1/11/2021 8:08 am : link
that team.

Losing Malcolm Jenkins wrecked that locker room.
I was certain the tank came from the owner down  
Chris684 : 1/11/2021 8:11 am : link
I guess not. I still think it was from at least Roseman down and that maybe Pederson will just be the fall guy. Roseman sems like a dick.

Anyway, suck it Eagles. I hope your franchise crashes and burns!
Why can I see Garrett winding up there  
Biteymax22 : 1/11/2021 8:17 am : link
If this happens???
Pederson..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2021 8:27 am : link
could have easily tanked the game on his own in an attempt to be fired.

I don't think we'll ever really know what happened or who ordered the code red....
I Still Think It's Entirely Possible...  
Jim in Tampa : 1/11/2021 8:32 am : link
that Pederson just didn't give a shit about what was (technically to the Eagels) a meaningless game and wanted to see Sudfeld in game action with an eye toward next year.
RE: Pederson..  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2021 8:32 am : link
In comment 15118253 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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could have easily tanked the game on his own in an attempt to be fired.


It’s hysterical  
BigBlueShock : 1/11/2021 8:35 am : link
And this is a perfect example of why coaches don’t typically tank a game on purpose. So Pederson tanks the game for a better draft pick, whether he was told to or not, and proceeds to get fired so he gets no benefit of that better draft pick. Coaches are always on a very short leash. Wins are a necessity, not a luxury.
i dont think they're going to fire him  
cjac : 1/11/2021 8:36 am : link
that shit he pulled in the last game had to come down from the top. No way he acted alone there
RE: Pederson..  
MadPlaid : 1/11/2021 8:36 am : link
In comment 15118253 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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could have easily tanked the game on his own in an attempt to be fired.

I don't think we'll ever really know what happened or who ordered the code red....

DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED!?!?!
Pederson may have been told "look at the bright side if you lose"  
JohnB : 1/11/2021 8:38 am : link
Or "it won't be the end of the world if you lost"

But Pederson went out there and tanked and made it very obvious to the whole world "I am tanking!"

Not taking the field goal to tie it up at 17. And then in the next series, pulling Hurts for a 3rd stringer who is a free agent at the end of the year. That screams "tank". And then the backlash in the media the next day including a masterful speech from Joe Judge.

Doug Pederson went overboard with his efforts to lose and I wouldn't be shocked if Philly threw him overboard.
RE: I Still Think It's Entirely Possible...  
BigBlueShock : 1/11/2021 8:38 am : link
In comment 15118254 Jim in Tampa said:
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that Pederson just didn't give a shit about what was (technically to the Eagels) a meaningless game and wanted to see Sudfeld in game action with an eye toward next year.

Come on man. Sudfeld has been there 4 years. He’s played in games. They know exactly what Sudfeld is. He’s not some rookie with intriguing upside that they wanted to get a look at.
That's the real question isn't it: why?  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2021 8:43 am : link
The how and the who is just scenery for the public. Pederson, Roseman, Sudfield, Lurie, keeps 'em guessing like some kind of parlor game, prevents 'em from asking the most important question: why? Why was the game tanked? Who benefited? Who has the power to cover it up? Who?

The Sudfeld decision  
Sy'56 : 1/11/2021 8:44 am : link
was one of the most puzzling HC decisions I have seen in a long time.
Pederson..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2021 8:48 am : link
is gone Danny. He's gone.
RE: I Still Think It's Entirely Possible...  
Chris in Philly : 1/11/2021 8:51 am : link
In comment 15118254 Jim in Tampa said:
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that Pederson just didn't give a shit about what was (technically to the Eagels) a meaningless game and wanted to see Sudfeld in game action with an eye toward next year.


He’s had Sudfeld for 3 years. He resigned him earlier this year. I think he knows what he has in him.
RE: I wonder pulling Hurts  
Tuckrule : 1/11/2021 8:51 am : link
In comment 15118221 Chip said:
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came from ownership


Your wondering that? Of course it did
Firing Doug  
NoPeanutz : 1/11/2021 8:51 am : link
would either be extremely chickenshit of them, or else highly diabolical. It is possible that Doug wanted out of that shit show, and Phila agreed to cut him loose for the higher pick- and chance to draft Wentz replacement or help for Hurts.

If they wanted, for some reason, to evaluate Sudfled, they should have just started him.
RE: RE: I think Eric B (Chiefs) is going  
jvm52106 : 1/11/2021 8:52 am : link
In comment 15118243 giants#1 said:
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to end up the new coach of the Eagles and Pedersen ends up in Houston!



That's possible, but Eric B likely has his pick of jobs and I don't know how a team with major QB issues, an aging roster, and negative cap space is appealing, especially considering HC's are getting even shorter leashes now than they used to (lots of recent examples of guys canned after 2 years).

Jets and Jags are both more enticing to me. Bring in several top FAs you want with their ample cap space plus a rookie QB likely gets him extra leeway for the inevitable growing pains.


From some of what I am reading that premise isn't actually true. I think Philly, back where Andy Reid coached would be a dream job for Eric B (speculation on my part). I don't he is getting the Jets job and the Jags job is out. He could be in play with the Chargers but, I don't think so there either.

The idea that Lurie said Tank very well could be true- which is why so many were inactive BUT, I wonder if Pedersen is pissed at the Hurts push (Wentz is his guy) and he basically said ok, you want to tank, let's tank. Seriously, the issue isn't losing it was the way they chose to do it.

You sit a ton of guys and play with a makeshift lineup. The game goes and now your makeshift lineup is playing well enough to win. At this point, considering you already set your team up to be at a disadvantage, you then go and do even more stuff to make sure you don't win. To the guys you threw on the field from the start, what does that say about them and what does that say about you as a HC and your integrity. Again, once the game started you shouldn't be doing stuff to sabotage the guys you had on the field. Leading up to the game do what you want, in game you play to win regardless.
If not from ownership  
Carl in CT : 1/11/2021 8:54 am : link
At least then it had to be the GM
Eagles drafting has  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/11/2021 8:54 am : link
been poor. They also have contracts that will be problematic going forward.

This seems like a using Pederson as a fall guy and a chance to reboot.
RE: RE: I Still Think It's Entirely Possible...  
stoneman : 1/11/2021 8:56 am : link
In comment 15118273 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 15118254 Jim in Tampa said:


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that Pederson just didn't give a shit about what was (technically to the Eagels) a meaningless game and wanted to see Sudfeld in game action with an eye toward next year.



He’s had Sudfeld for 3 years. He resigned him earlier this year. I think he knows what he has in him.



If they really wanted to see Sudfield, they would have announced their plans way before the game started (as they do in preseason games). This was a tank pure and simple.
If they were protecting HURTS, why play him  
jvm52106 : 1/11/2021 8:57 am : link
at all then? Truthfulluy, I think Pedersen did this on his own as a way to get back at Lurie. The beforehand stuff I think was an ownership edict- sit guys, do not try to win the game. Pedersen took it further and in the midst of a very winnable game pulls his last weapon off the field.
RE: RE: Pederson..  
mfsd : 1/11/2021 8:57 am : link
In comment 15118259 MadPlaid said:
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In comment 15118253 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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could have easily tanked the game on his own in an attempt to be fired.

I don't think we'll ever really know what happened or who ordered the code red....


DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED!?!?!


You can’t handle them truth!

I’ve suspected all along the Eagles senior leadership, whether Lurie or Roseman or both, ordered the tank. I also suspect they’ll scapegoat Pederson for it
RE: i dont think they're going to fire him  
1st and 10 : 1/11/2021 8:59 am : link
In comment 15118258 cjac said:
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that shit he pulled in the last game had to come down from the top. No way he acted alone there


If it came from the HC or GM or owner or a combo of them all, they are now faced with a broken locker room and someone needs to take the hit. My bet is Pederson.
Don't underrate the man  
Grizz99 : 1/11/2021 9:03 am : link
He not only won a Superbowl, he wanted against a great and experienced Patriot team and he won it with a backup quarterback. An extraordinary achievement.
You can lose in this league with good coaching, but you cannot win without very good coaching.
Perennial playoff contenders, I don't agree with the people who want him to stay on because they view him as an incompetent.
I hope they keep him  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/11/2021 9:03 am : link
and they fall into a toxic culture next year.

He will "ask for his team to commit fully"

And they will be like, "Dude.."
RE: RE: RE: Pederson..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2021 9:05 am : link
In comment 15118282 mfsd said:
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In comment 15118259 MadPlaid said:


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In comment 15118253 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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could have easily tanked the game on his own in an attempt to be fired.

I don't think we'll ever really know what happened or who ordered the code red....


DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED!?!?!




You can’t handle them truth!

I’ve suspected all along the Eagles senior leadership, whether Lurie or Roseman or both, ordered the tank. I also suspect they’ll scapegoat Pederson for it


I object!

I strenuously object!!
Imagine Pederson is on the hot seat moreso regarding  
LBH15 : 1/11/2021 9:09 am : link
how he expressed his plan (or none plan) at QB going forward with Lurie after they talked this week.

Can't imagine its anything related to tanking the game or giving his 3rd string QB a look. Those are meaning whatever points including how some players didn't like it.

Lurie is probably not happy about how his head coach explained the handling of the Wentz situation and allowing that relationship to suffer, potentially reducing or at least affecting their options going forward.

Just a hunch.
Fatty is correct  
arniefez : 1/11/2021 9:14 am : link
we'll never know. But sometimes some of you give these people way way way to much credit. Trust me most of us are as smart or smarter than these people in the NFL who are held up as "geniuses chess players" when the rest of us play checkers, at every level of the league.

In my opinion the most likely scenario is that Pederson acted on his own thinking what he was doing was best for the eagles in the long run and that everyone would back him up. The owner the GM and the locker room but he badly miscalculated.
I don't think I agree with this  
Essex : 1/11/2021 9:16 am : link
but some writer posited on twitter that Doug Pederson was a career backup qb and that Sudfeld has been with them for a number of years and he was planning on doing him a kinda thank you (from career backup to career backup). I mean that is possible, but it does not explain some other really moronic moves like punting, not kicking fgs, not challenging etc. But I just repeat it because I kinda get where the writer was coming from, even if I disagree with it.

This is the perfect time for the Eagles to get rid of Pederson  
PatersonPlank : 1/11/2021 9:25 am : link
He will be the perfect scapegoat for all that is Eagle.
As mentioned, it is not a foregone conclusion that Pederson was asked to tank. Its just as likely he decided to do it himself. He is a smug ego-maniac, I can see him thinking he will outsmart everyone. One of his big downfalls is he doesn't seem to have a feel for the players. He views them as pieces rather than people, which of course pisses them off and he loses them.

I hope he stays because its better for us, but I think he's gone.
Eric Bienemy going to Philly would suck  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/11/2021 9:26 am : link
on so many levels. Media has been obsessed with this guy, and they'll be on the Philly bandwagon with him there. He's also an Andy Reid protege, and look what Reid did in Philly for years. I know they never won a SB, but they were always in contention. Plus, they have plenty of offensive weapons (including the 6th pick in the draft, in which they will probably take a top WR) at his disposal to help emulate the explosive offense he runs in KC.
RE: i dont think they're going to fire him  
GmanND : 1/11/2021 9:28 am : link
In comment 15118258 cjac said:
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that shit he pulled in the last game had to come down from the top. No way he acted alone there


You're probably right in that he was told something along the lines of "Organizationally, it's in our best interest to have the 6th vs 9th pick."

How he went about getting that done could still put the org. in a bad light and get him fired.

Your Boss to you: "Please see to it that Bob Jones doesn't attend next months board meeting."
You at a latter date to your boss: "That Bob Jones thing is all taken care of, I shot his plane down with a ground to air missile. He won't be at the Board meeting."
Boss: "I was thinking more like making sure he wasn't included on the invites or planning/booking processes..."

No idea if he gets fired or not but a directive from the top probably didn't include "make sure while pulling off this request we come off looking like total idiots, loose the locker room and the relationships with our current QBs"
If they were going to fire him  
Mike from Ohio : 1/11/2021 9:29 am : link
why wouldn't they have done it already? Seems you would want to have the job open so you could begin interviewing candidates, even if you know you only want Bienemy and he can't interview yet. There is no way to know if Bienemy wants them (unless they have tampered too).
RE: That's the real question isn't it: why?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/11/2021 9:31 am : link
In comment 15118263 Greg from LI said:
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The how and the who is just scenery for the public. Pederson, Roseman, Sudfield, Lurie, keeps 'em guessing like some kind of parlor game, prevents 'em from asking the most important question: why? Why was the game tanked? Who benefited? Who has the power to cover it up? Who?



Everything is cellularized. No one has said, 'He must be fired.' There's been no vote. Nothing's on paper. There's no one to blame.
they tried to lose the game  
mattlawson : 1/11/2021 9:33 am : link
within that he played a backup QB obviously not up to the task instead of seeing what they had in Hurts in a tight situation down 3. The whole thing stinks to high hell
RE: RE: RE: I Still Think It's Entirely Possible...  
Jim in Tampa : 1/11/2021 9:37 am : link
In comment 15118280 stoneman said:
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In comment 15118254 Jim in Tampa said:


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that Pederson just didn't give a shit about what was (technically to the Eagels) a meaningless game and wanted to see Sudfeld in game action with an eye toward next year.



He’s had Sudfeld for 3 years. He resigned him earlier this year. I think he knows what he has in him.




If they really wanted to see Sudfield, they would have announced their plans way before the game started (as they do in preseason games). This was a tank pure and simple.

Michaels or Collinsworth mentioned during the game telecast that Pederson told them he wanted to get Sudfeld into the game.
RE: RE: Pederson..  
eric2425ny : 1/11/2021 9:56 am : link
In comment 15118255 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 15118253 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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could have easily tanked the game on his own in an attempt to be fired.





Ha ha, classic episode. “Attention Steinbrenner! Head office moron. This is George Costanza!”
Don't care whether he gets canned or not  
HomerJones45 : 1/11/2021 9:57 am : link
but all these tanking conspiracies and "lost the locker room because of Hurts" talk ignores the fact that Hurts sucked ass from the middle of the second quarter on. 2-11 and 7 yards in 3 possessions.

More likely is the strange decision to fight with and declare the highly compensated Wentz inactive so he couldn't swap out the clearly struggling rookie with Wentz.
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