Dissapointing 2 games but the Knicks are 5-5 after 10 which no one expected.
Randle is playing like a star player ehich again no one expected..
Starters need a change, i would put Rivers in for Bullock, adds a ball handler and a more competent shooter.
Barrett is really dissapointing right now, he is playing like Randle last year, jist barreling into people with no plan, it seems he forces his possessions rather than letting thr gmae come to him.
So the question now is, who can we find to be the running mate for randle?
RJ + Obi the two main pieces, but the Wiz could really take their picks outside of Mitch and Randle.
For the knicks, hopefully some free agents will see the difference and help to get this team going
RJ + Obi the two main pieces, but the Wiz could really take their picks outside of Mitch and Randle.
Rj, Obi, Cap filler, 2021 dallas, 22 knicks, 23 dallas, 24 knicks
Rivers Beal burks Randle Mitch
-LaMelo is the goods. Man he would have been perfect here.
-LaMelo is the goods. Man he would have been perfect here.
wanted him but lets see what Obi can do. I would call up with wizards and see what they want from Beal. Always loved his game and he is taking it to another level. Guy gets better each and every year.
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but I'd go all in for Bradley Beal. Probably the only "star" who is even remotely available if at all.
RJ + Obi the two main pieces, but the Wiz could really take their picks outside of Mitch and Randle.
Rj, Obi, Cap filler, 2021 dallas, 22 knicks, 23 dallas, 24 knicks
Rivers Beal burks Randle Mitch
Thats a lot but I would still do it. I don't like saying this because he seems like such a good guy and plays hard but the Knicks need to explore trading Barrett before its too late. Meaning his viewed potential is still high around the league.
Washington ( or another team) could sell themselves and fan base on a guy like Barrett due to his age/ 3rd overall pick etc. I just hope the Knicks don't hold on too long.
Probably a combination, if they were smart they would want a bunch of draft picks and young players and start over..
Yeah I agree. Based on what I've seen, I'd probably ask for Mitch and Quickley before RJ, and probably Toppin, too. That's gonna be a huge blow if he's just mediocre.
I think the development of Mitch, Toppin and RJ needs to be the primary focus of this team. Maybe if we're competitive, we can get Beal to sign in the offseason instead of having to give up everything to get him, ala the Carmelo deal.
I think the development of Mitch, Toppin and RJ needs to be the primary focus of this team. Maybe if we're competitive, we can get Beal to sign in the offseason instead of having to give up everything to get him, ala the Carmelo deal.
Trading toppin for a top 10-15 player in the league is not giving up on him..
as for the melo deal the second you signed stat thr focus was to find the 2nd guy he wanted to play with..
Where the knicms messed up was not the melo deal, it was not fidnign a point guard to play with melo and stat
Bit of a buy low on Graham since he's started off the year ice cold, plus they need to start LaMelo.
Graham is also a FA after the year who figures to walk, so the Knicks may be able to get him on the cheap (DSJ + Noel + 2nds?)
Bit of a buy low on Graham since he's started off the year ice cold, plus they need to start LaMelo.
Graham is also a FA after the year who figures to walk, so the Knicks may be able to get him on the cheap (DSJ + Noel + 2nds?)
Yeah i like Graham, not a true point guard but still a really good fit since the ball is in randles hands a lot
This is a bit of a leap no? It's 10 games. He still has value I would think.
If the objective is to just focus on development, then they should move RJ to the 3 and start Rivers (or Burks when he returns). This will allow RJ to continue to get a ton of minutes, and you just take the lumps as he is going to have games were he looks terrible, but hopefully in the long term he develops into a borderline all star player.
If the objective is to win games and get to the playoffs then RJ should be moved to the bench. He stinks right now, and I am not all that convinced that he is a good fit playing next to Randle. Randle would be better off surrounded by Mitch and 3 shooters. He has been so good at taking the ball at the elbow and driving or creating from there which leaves RJ standing at the 3 point line waiting to take an open look that he can't make at this point.
When Randle is out of the game it allows RJ to move into that facilitator role and try to do some of the things that Randle is doing.
I like this new version of NBA post Golden state, not as much as the 90s, but at least it’s exciting. Rarely watch outside playoffs due to the Knicks total ineptitude. I’ve tried to get in numberous times over year, but interest would wane. Can’t force fandom. It seems like the Knicks are building something similar to what the Giants are and this seems like a real effort to build long term success.
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that despite everyone here, that the Knicks are ready to give up on Toppin yet. I mean, we hit a couple of tough games in a row, but we're leveling out.
I think the development of Mitch, Toppin and RJ needs to be the primary focus of this team. Maybe if we're competitive, we can get Beal to sign in the offseason instead of having to give up everything to get him, ala the Carmelo deal.
Trading toppin for a top 10-15 player in the league is not giving up on him..
as for the melo deal the second you signed stat thr focus was to find the 2nd guy he wanted to play with..
Where the knicms messed up was not the melo deal, it was not fidnign a point guard to play with melo and stat
I think that the START of where the Knicks messed up was just not waiting and signing Melo in free agency. There are plenty of other mess ups during that period to point to as well. Billups amnesty, giving Amare a contract in the first place, and so on and so forth.
I don't think it's just about a point guard there. But whatever. It's all speculation anyways.
As for Toppin, I'm just saying it's pretty early in his career to trade him for a top 10-15 player who is again on the last year of their contract that you can potentially sign in the offseason without giving up any assets at all. Much like the Melo situation.
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that despite everyone here, that the Knicks are ready to give up on Toppin yet. I mean, we hit a couple of tough games in a row, but we're leveling out.
I think the development of Mitch, Toppin and RJ needs to be the primary focus of this team. Maybe if we're competitive, we can get Beal to sign in the offseason instead of having to give up everything to get him, ala the Carmelo deal.
Trading toppin for a top 10-15 player in the league is not giving up on him..
as for the melo deal the second you signed stat thr focus was to find the 2nd guy he wanted to play with..
Where the knicms messed up was not the melo deal, it was not fidnign a point guard to play with melo and stat
I think that the START of where the Knicks messed up was just not waiting and signing Melo in free agency. There are plenty of other mess ups during that period to point to as well. Billups amnesty, giving Amare a contract in the first place, and so on and so forth.
I don't think it's just about a point guard there. But whatever. It's all speculation anyways.
As for Toppin, I'm just saying it's pretty early in his career to trade him for a top 10-15 player who is again on the last year of their contract that you can potentially sign in the offseason without giving up any assets at all. Much like the Melo situation.
Beal has 1 more year after this year i believe..
Also Knicks couldnt sign Melo in free agency, they would of had to get rid of Wilson Chandler, Felton and few others to make it eork, Knicks didnt have Max space
To me the one piece I care about keeping right now is Mitch. Sure Barrett will end up being a pretty solid player but he will not be a superstar and he can be replaced with a more efficient vet. I prefer to give up Toppin over Barrett in light of randle’s play but I don’t think he will show enough before the deadline to excite people. I would offer the following:
Barrett or Toppin
Knox
Smith Jr - salary filler
Both 2020 1st rounders
2022 - choice of Dallas or Knicks pick whichever is better
3 2nd rounders
Swap rights on 2021 and 2023
This is a lot but still cheaper than Kawhi and davis trades. It may cost more but I would be fine with this trade. It would give the Knicks:
PG - Payton, Quickley
SG - Beale, Rivers, Frank
SF - Burks, Bulluck
PF - Randle, Toppin
C - Mitch, Noel
In this case you still have cap space to add another really good player or to sign multiple solid players. You still have some second round picks and a 2021 pick. To me that team is probably top 6 in East with a lot of flexibility, a top 10 player in Beale entering his prime and you get 1.5 years to make him happy before he can opt out and get him to sign the max.
Also Knicks couldnt sign Melo in free agency, they would of had to get rid of Wilson Chandler, Felton and few others to make it eork, Knicks didnt have Max space [/quote]
Thanks for saying this. I'm so sick of people categorizing the Melo trade incorrectly. What they really gave up boils down to Felton, Gallinari, Mozgov, 1st round pick and pick swap. Melo was 3rd in MVP a few years after that for the Knicks. The problem was the moves they made after they got Melo- not the trade itself. He started one year with Toney Douglas and Landry Fields as his starting backcourt...
I would also go all in for Beal but its going to be costly. Just look at what the Pelicans could offer. Here is a reasonable starting point- Barrett/ Toppin and 4 1st round picks. But honestly I would guess other teams could top that with players and picks...
RJ + Obi the two main pieces, but the Wiz could really take their picks outside of Mitch and Randle.
Beal and Randle could be a fun combo to watch.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but I think RJ Barrett is a swing and miss. Worse maybe than Knox. I know hes young and all, but his game is so uninspired and middling. You expect younger guys to have so much more vigor in their games.
I said this yesterday, you can see why fans get frustrated with Thibs, he is stubborn with his lineups
Did you see that last drive????
Take the dribble and go up strong. He at the very least can rise. Randle should show the dude how to finish.
How they are only down 6 is amazing