NFT: Knicks: 5-5 after 10 games

Maybe ESPN can do a 30 for 30 on them...

id start rivers, Burks, Knox, Randle, Mitch..

on this team. That includes Mitch and Randle. In fact, if Randle's value has increased in the eyes of those around the league, I'd look to sell high on him.

In comment 15119458 Enzo said:

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on this team. That includes Mitch and Randle. In fact, if Randle's value has increased in the eyes of those around the league, I'd look to sell high on him.

eventually you have to start keeping players and build a team

In comment 15119458 Enzo said:

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on this team. That includes Mitch and Randle. In fact, if Randle's value has increased in the eyes of those around the league, I'd look to sell high on him.

I agree about Randle

The rest? I'd try to acquire first round picks. We already have two (hopefully two high ones) in 2021. Get your PG of the future and your playmaking swingman.

He is killing the offense and should come off the bench until he earns more time. Knox and Rivers should be given a chance to start a few games. Put RJ and Payton on the second unit and maybe they will be more effective.

In comment 15119494 steve in ky said:

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He is killing the offense and should come off the bench until he earns more time. Knox and Rivers should be given a chance to start a few games. Put RJ and Payton on the second unit and maybe they will be more effective.

Payton and rj cant play together, Payton has to be oit of the rotation..

rivers/quickley
Burks/rj
Knox/bullock
Randle/toppin
mitch/noel

almost worth moving RJ to the second unit to see if he can get it going against 2nd stringers. This clearly isn't working.

teams just play zone so when you drive they collapse and even if the Knicks get a wide open 3 teams dont care..

Payton and Rj are wide open for a reason, noticed they closed out on rivers hard..

... on my Quickley tattoo.

In comment 15119542 Jim from Katonah said:

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... on my Quickley tattoo.

A moment of inspiration. A lifetime of regret.

Knicks were due for a correction, but man we’ve crashed back to earth fast. Let’s see if Thibs can get them going again

Barrett is not a good basketball player and had no business being a top 5 pick. I never saw it. I'll ask again, what is it that he does well? He was a better athlete than all his teammates and competition except for Zion and Reddish.

Cant shoot
Cant D up on the perimeter
Cant defend post up guys
Cant finish very well
Mediocre to below average handle
Cant pass
No floor vision
Nice first step (which you can build on if he learned some post game)
Pretty good leaper
No intensity
No toughness


He seems to be waiting for the game to open up for him....and that is just not how it always works. You have to pick one thing at a time, and develop a killer instinct for doing that well. Not the same player obv, but look at Jordan and his shooting. He had one part figured out (mid-range and getting to the net) he had to focus on the rest.

RJ has a child's mentality to playing this game.

In comment 15119671 chopperhatch said:

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Barrett is not a good basketball player and had no business being a top 5 pick. I never saw it. I'll ask again, what is it that he does well? He was a better athlete than all his teammates and competition except for Zion and Reddish. Cant shoot Cant D up on the perimeter Cant defend post up guys Cant finish very well Mediocre to below average handle Cant pass No floor vision Nice first step (which you can build on if he learned some post game) Pretty good leaper No intensity No toughness He seems to be waiting for the game to open up for him....and that is just not how it always works. You have to pick one thing at a time, and develop a killer instinct for doing that well. Not the same player obv, but look at Jordan and his shooting. He had one part figured out (mid-range and getting to the net) he had to focus on the rest. RJ has a child's mentality to playing this game.

Major bummer. I was hoping at least he was a hard nosed grinder, a try hard who played with intensity and toughness. I rarely get to see full games ... so this is sobering. (Psychologically sobering not actually sobering, let’s not go crazy).

RJ stinks real bad right now and they need to find somebody like a former player to work with him every day. One guy could be Allan Houston. Coach's son, terrific shooter off screens, great spot up shooter, could play with his back to the basket....Im not sure what Houston actually does for the team, but sharing some shooting tech and drills for a young guy who is the same size as RJ.

In comment 15119691 chopperhatch said:

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RJ stinks real bad right now and they need to find somebody like a former player to work with him every day. One guy could be Allan Houston. Coach's son, terrific shooter off screens, great spot up shooter, could play with his back to the basket....Im not sure what Houston actually does for the team, but sharing some shooting tech and drills for a young guy who is the same size as RJ.

I’m most concerned about your analysis of his defense. Lack of lateral quickness and instincts is hard to teach. I coached a lot of hoops and could always spot the kids who had “it” on defense early on. No amount of prodding or intensity could turn it turn it around when they didn’t. Sheesh. 5-3 seems like a lifetime ago.

In comment 15119700 Jim from Katonah said:

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In comment 15119691 chopperhatch said: Quote: RJ stinks real bad right now and they need to find somebody like a former player to work with him every day. One guy could be Allan Houston. Coach's son, terrific shooter off screens, great spot up shooter, could play with his back to the basket....Im not sure what Houston actually does for the team, but sharing some shooting tech and drills for a young guy who is the same size as RJ. I’m most concerned about your analysis of his defense. Lack of lateral quickness and instincts is hard to teach. I coached a lot of hoops and could always spot the kids who had “it” on defense early on. No amount of prodding or intensity could turn it turn it around when they didn’t. Sheesh. 5-3 seems like a lifetime ago.

The lateral quicks is def alarming. I think he has a quick north south first step. But he crosses over his feet all the time. Looks clumsy. Surprised he didnt get that coached out of him at Duke. I though K would have seen that.

That when deeing up, you move your feet quicker not farther. Kinda like George Brett talking about hitting a baseball: swing faster, not harder.

When I played high school ball in North Jersey, I was taught early on that the quicker you moved your feet, the better chance you had of getting to your spot than the guy dribbling a ball....usually. I was shorter than most point guards in High School so I had to really rely on that and making it harder for the guy I was defending to dribble the ball. I got really good at it and still use those techniques to this day when playing pick up.

Barrett CAN do the same thing, but it is hard...much harder to do physically. It is exhausting. I dont see anybody teaching him that style of D. Think Patrick Beverly....Frank moves his feet terrificly on D. Barrett is just slow and clumsy in everything he does. Even when he turns the ball over, his head isnt up looking where to go. He buries it to the floor trying to run a straight line as fast as he can as if thats gonna help.

He's very frustrating to watch.

I didnt knoe Rivers was a good leader, talked about give them time and they will get it right, they are not going to jjst lay down and they will be a good team..

Sounded better coming from him but you can tell hr is a leader

I know its the same old story but they desperately need some shooting. You should not be able to zone up a NBA team that easily.

He's been a bust and not currently in the rotation but maybe the Knicks should take a flier on Malik Monk. Does have that Kentucky connection. DSJ for Monk?

But whatever they do this offseason and going forward- they have to find some shooters. And they cannot play Payton and Barrett together anymore.

In comment 15119911 TyreeHelmet said:

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I know its the same old story but they desperately need some shooting. You should not be able to zone up a NBA team that easily. He's been a bust and not currently in the rotation but maybe the Knicks should take a flier on Malik Monk. Does have that Kentucky connection. DSJ for Monk? But whatever they do this offseason and going forward- they have to find some shooters. And they cannot play Payton and Barrett together anymore.

The biggest problem is they are passing up open 3s to drive into thebpaint and then get in trouble..

and it is not jist Payton and Rj, Quickley and Rivers passdd up open shots as well

LaMelo didn't shoot well but man am I jealous

Beal 34, 8 and 9. This season sure looks like his full-on coming out party

Avdija 6 and 5, he's shown some real flashes. Impressive kid

Hawks beat the Sixers

Sabonis 28, 11 and 3

Barnes 30 and 8

Haliburton 12, 3 and 4 (he's been impressive)

So... Chris Boucher is really good? 20, 8 and 3 blocks. Suddenly a beast.

-Melo shooting 41% from 3. Feels like it may hand on for a multi-year run as a role player. As it is, he's 14th all-time in points and should finish the season top 10... all-time. Legit shot to pass Shaq (8th) before he retires.

That's his strength. One of his only strengths, but he is able to drive to the basket very well.

when they were winning other players made teams pay, right now no one is stepping up..


Really miss Burks to knock down open 3s..

Looks like he has the goods. Really impressed with him so far. Charlotte is actually a fun team to watch with some nice pieces. Could definitely be a playoff team.

Big picture Knicks are 5-6 which we all would have signed up for.
The Good- Robinson playing well, Knox showing some life and Quickley looking promising. Randle has been great.

The Bad- Barrett is really struggling and doesn't look like hes improved much since last year. Frank is injured and nowhere to be found. DSJ will probably be out of the league.

the ground and the youngsters wouldn’t get any burn. Obviously things started out a little more promisingly and I am glad he’s at least playing some, not all, of the young players. Say what you want about having to earn minutes, but is playing Bullocks, Rivers, Payton, or even Burks when he comes back, going to help this team in the future? Are we going to give them all 15M a year contracts and win 30 games just to miss the playoffs? What good does that do? Are we going to give randle a 30-35M a year contract and hope to get our hands on someone like Beal? Is that really a sound plan?

Honestly I don’t expect much, I’ll call this season a success if Knox becomes a contributor and Obi and Quickley show potential. Givd these three 25-30 min each a game and see what you have. As for RJ, somebody should tell him if you miss 3 shots you are not allowed to shoot any more. Only drives to the basket I don’t care if your shot gets blocked every time. He has to learn to score, he doesn’t have to be penciled in for 20 shots a game.

In comment 15120235 Jim in Hoboken said:

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the ground and the youngsters wouldn’t get any burn. Obviously things started out a little more promisingly and I am glad he’s at least playing some, not all, of the young players. Say what you want about having to earn minutes, but is playing Bullocks, Rivers, Payton, or even Burks when he comes back, going to help this team in the future? Are we going to give them all 15M a year contracts and win 30 games just to miss the playoffs? What good does that do? Are we going to give randle a 30-35M a year contract and hope to get our hands on someone like Beal? Is that really a sound plan? Honestly I don’t expect much, I’ll call this season a success if Knox becomes a contributor and Obi and Quickley show potential. Givd these three 25-30 min each a game and see what you have. As for RJ, somebody should tell him if you miss 3 shots you are not allowed to shoot any more. Only drives to the basket I don’t care if your shot gets blocked every time. He has to learn to score, he doesn’t have to be penciled in for 20 shots a game.

What young player is not getting consistent minutes?

how a guy like Barrett can have a father who played professional basketball and have such a lousy jumper. Not only that, the guy had nothing to do from basically April to December except practice. It could just be that something is fundamentally broken in his form. He may have to completely rebuild his jumper from scratch at some point if he doesn't get better. It's been done before. At least he's still young.

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In comment 15120235 Jim in Hoboken said:

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the ground and the youngsters wouldn’t get any burn. Obviously things started out a little more promisingly and I am glad he’s at least playing some, not all, of the young players. Say what you want about having to earn minutes, but is playing Bullocks, Rivers, Payton, or even Burks when he comes back, going to help this team in the future? Are we going to give them all 15M a year contracts and win 30 games just to miss the playoffs? What good does that do? Are we going to give randle a 30-35M a year contract and hope to get our hands on someone like Beal? Is that really a sound plan? Honestly I don’t expect much, I’ll call this season a success if Knox becomes a contributor and Obi and Quickley show potential. Givd these three 25-30 min each a game and see what you have. As for RJ, somebody should tell him if you miss 3 shots you are not allowed to shoot any more. Only drives to the basket I don’t care if your shot gets blocked every time. He has to learn to score, he doesn’t have to be penciled in for 20 shots a game.

What youngsters do you want him to play more? And what vets are getting run into the ground? We are 11 games in. Such a ridiculous myth of Thibs.

In comment 15120435 Greg from LI said:

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Maybe the NBA could handicap 3 pointers like golf. Give Barrett 6 points per bucket.