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Giants facing huge task in keeping Williams and Tomlinson

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2021 8:57 am
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What you want, what you need and what you realistically can have are all about to collide when it comes to the Giants and their desire to keep Leonard Williams and Dalvin Tomlinson as stalwarts on their defensive line.

They want both of them. They need both of them. Realistically, though, can they keep both of them?



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Williams was..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2021 11:49 am : link
effective with the Jets. Let's just enjoy being the beneficiary of their ineptitude. Look, they've let guys move on numerous times. Snacks, Adams, Williams while they were productive players.
so if Giants re-sign LW and/or DT  
giants#1 : 1/11/2021 11:49 am : link
it's because they have no larger team building strategy?

It can't possibly be because they are using analytics that show teams are passing the ball faster (e.g. Big Ben's avg release time is 2.17 seconds) and that strong CB play combined with an interior pass rush is the best counter?

What also happened to the old adage about building on your team's strengths?

By the way, the Rams, Ravens, and Steelers spend the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th most on their interior DL yet they seem to have no problems with sustained success (Bills are 6th).
I don't think there is any smoke/mirrors with  
bigbluehoya : 1/11/2021 11:56 am : link
Williams.

The pressures were always there. The play on the back end this year was finally strong enough to let him seal the deal more often.

I think he's a guy.

They desperately need some more edge presence to even further unlock him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Let’s see...  
giants#1 : 1/11/2021 11:57 am : link
In comment 15118588 Dnew15 said:
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What I will tell you is that he is the guy that makes that defense go. Go back and look at where the Giants were and the progress they made when LW came on board - especially against the run.


IMO, the biggest beneficiary of LW has been the other subject of this thread: Tomlinson. Pre-LW how many on this board felt DT was a bust or at least not worth extending? Now, everyone thinks he's the next Joseph.

Tomlinson's was an underrated run stuffer and did a lot of the dirty work pre-LW, but with LW blowing up plays and commanding doubles (plus Lawrence), DT has made a lot more "flash" plays.

DT 2019 w/o LW: 8 games 1.5 sacks 1 hrry 2 QBKD 5 prss 20 tackles
DT 2019 w/ LW: 8 games 2 sacks 3 hrry 3 QBKD 8 prss 29 tackles

Not a stark difference in stats since a NT's primary responsibility is occupying blockers, but DT's play picked up across the board after the LW addition (and he set career highs in sacks (tied), TFL, and QBHits this season.
Old adages aside as I could type about a hundred  
LBH15 : 1/11/2021 11:58 am : link
the Giants have arguably been below reasonable expectations from a roster building perspective. So concerns that satisfying LW could negatively affect future build are more than fair.
Tomlinson is very good  
AdamBrag : 1/11/2021 12:02 pm : link
But, the decision is probably bringing Tomlinson back or signing a #2 CB.
RE: Let’s see...  
djm : 1/11/2021 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15118311 bw in dc said:
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do we back up the Brinks Truck for a guy who finally had a career year or invest money for a QB who looks like a game manager for an offense that can’t break 18ppg.?

Let LW go...


WTF does one have to do with the other?

oh please with the resource allocation  
djm : 1/11/2021 12:07 pm : link
I keep saying it. This team doesn't have that many long term highly priced vets. Not many at all. If Tomlinson was a true difference maker this is a different convo.

It's about how good the Giants think Tomlinson really is. I don't think he's a great player. I don't think he's a difference maker. He's a good player. Great off the field. Good on it. Young. Stays healthy. But he's not a difference maker. I'd keep him if his deal doesn't resemble that of a difference making player.

Don't be scared of paying great players great money. More often than not you're better off paying than letting the guy get away.

How many teams are going to pay Tomlinson  
Simms11 : 1/11/2021 12:09 pm : link
10 mil a year in a budget constrained environment?!Might be able to bring him back, at least on a one year reasonable deal?!
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christian : 1/11/2021 12:13 pm : link
Way too much consternation over Williams.

The trade was weird and not getting a deal signed last year was a mistake, but the guys is producing and all things equal should be very productive the next 3 years.

His contemporaries signed what amounted to 2-year deals with ~39M guaranteed last year. With the declining cap and the Giants cap situation that's not happening.

I'm hoping the Giants go the Bradberry/Martinez route, go three years, go high guarantees and avoid the charade of AAV with meaningless years at the end.

3/55M 45M fully guaranteed (30M signing bonuses)

21 7.5M salary/10M bonus (both guaranteed)
22 7.5M salary/10M bonus (both guaranteed)
23 10M salary/10M bonus (bonus guaranteed)
Sign LW Tag  
Thegratefulhead : 1/11/2021 12:13 pm : link
Let DT walk if it gets too high. He is replaceable. Make Williams do it again, if he does, he gets the big boy contract.
DL  
stretch234 : 1/11/2021 12:15 pm : link
It amazes me here that people still think this is some out of the blue season for LW. He has played the same every year he has been in the league, except this year the sacks came.

He has always been a interior DL who gets pressure, hits the QB and gets tackles for loss. he is the guy always double teamed and they guy they generally run away from. He makes the others better

You don't let a guy this good, this young, and healthy leave - you make him a core piece

Finding a competent DT has not been a problem for the Giants
the trade is a non-issue at this point.  
Dnew15 : 1/11/2021 12:28 pm : link
He's here - that's all that matters moving forward.

That shouldn't even entire the minds of the Giants FO as they begin to negotiate LW's new contract.
RE: RE: Let’s see...  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15118653 djm said:
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do we back up the Brinks Truck for a guy who finally had a career year or invest money for a QB who looks like a game manager for an offense that can’t break 18ppg.?

Let LW go...



WTF does one have to do with the other?


You need to look at these situations holistically. Not in a vacuum of: "LW is just such a great player. So sign him because we need more great players..."

The offense has a lot more holes than the defense - by far. And with cap limitations, you have to be more measured with investments. I maintain that we could still be a good D without LW due to Graham. I trust his schemes and trust that we would still have a good DL group without LW. We would need a guy Tomlinson to step up and maybe add another quality corner.

Look, we need to score more points. So if you want Jones to have a chance to possibly be more effective we need to invest more money for him. Because right now he doesn't appear to be in the same stratosphere as a Mahomes-type who makes the offense better merely by his play.

I know you think the cap is just an imaginary concept that can always be bent and twisted to make anything work. But I think it's a bit more complicated than that...
RE: RE: RE: Let’s see...  
Dnew15 : 1/11/2021 12:41 pm : link
In comment 15118702 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15118311 bw in dc said:


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do we back up the Brinks Truck for a guy who finally had a career year or invest money for a QB who looks like a game manager for an offense that can’t break 18ppg.?

Let LW go...



WTF does one have to do with the other?




You need to look at these situations holistically. Not in a vacuum of: "LW is just such a great player. So sign him because we need more great players..."

The offense has a lot more holes than the defense - by far. And with cap limitations, you have to be more measured with investments. I maintain that we could still be a good D without LW due to Graham. I trust his schemes and trust that we would still have a good DL group without LW. We would need a guy Tomlinson to step up and maybe add another quality corner.

Look, we need to score more points. So if you want Jones to have a chance to possibly be more effective we need to invest more money for him. Because right now he doesn't appear to be in the same stratosphere as a Mahomes-type who makes the offense better merely by his play.

I know you think the cap is just an imaginary concept that can always be bent and twisted to make anything work. But I think it's a bit more complicated than that...


Now on this I agree with you - and part of me really wants to hand a big contract to LW b/c I like that more than giving DJ or SB big contracts in a couple of years.

Something the Giants may not be able to do with so much money tied up in LW.
If The Giants Want Both  
Bernie : 1/11/2021 12:43 pm : link
they have enough room with the cap to make it happen (think beyond 2021). The real question is how important is DT to how the defense works. Both DT and DL came off the field on obvious passing downs. So if someone is going to offer DT big dollars to be a 3 down player, then I don't think he will return. If he cannot command that kind of money and the Giants can keep him for around $10/per, then I think he is back.

I do not think there is any possibility that LW is not back. Worse case, he gets tagged again.
Giants may opt to tag Williams again...  
Milton : 1/11/2021 12:45 pm : link
If he's asking for a longterm deal north of $20M+/year, why not tag him for $19.4M? There are ways of creating cap room. Besides potential cap-saving cuts, I would consider extensions for Bradberry and/or Martinez that reduce their 2021 cap hit (more room can be created with an extension than with restructuring contracts with only two years left).

As for Tomlinson, include me in the group that appreciates him, but doesn't see him as enough of a difference-maker, especially given depth at the position. And I could be wrong, but I suspect he is standing in the way of Lawrence's full development. That being said, it's hard to know what Tomlinson's market value will be. Are there going to be teams willing to pay him $10M+/year?
RE: RE: And when you think about it  
adamg : 1/11/2021 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15118521 Victor in CT said:
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That's a day 1 or 2 pick every year not just every other year.

LW was a third.
Hill was a third.
DT was a second.
Lawrence was a first.

Each over the last four years. And it goes back further. Yes we hit on each pick. But we also failed to hit on another position.

DT isn't a premium position unless they rush like LW. I understand that, which is why he's priority. But it just seems like we need to address other spots (and at premium positions) on the team with draft resources.



Williams was not a third. He was Round 1, 6th overall.


We traded a third.
Wish the Giants had extended Tomlinson's contract  
US1 Giants : 1/11/2021 12:48 pm : link
last offseason. Hard to sign him now.
bw, good post  
JonC : 1/11/2021 1:00 pm : link
I would keep LW and let Tomlinson walk, but in complete agreement with the point you're making to djm.
I agree that the best decision long term  
bigbluehoya : 1/11/2021 1:15 pm : link
is to let DT walk.

Let's hope we are in an era where the Giants are drafting well enough that their players coming off of rookie deals are frequently poised to make the big money. That would be a symptom of something good.

In a world where I need to watch some of them leave and play elsewhere, let it be my 2-down interior DL and not, say, my starting offensive tackle, edge rusher, or play-making DB.

what is wise vs what is possible, just because you can doesn't mean you should, etc etc.
RE: RE: RE: Let’s see...  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/11/2021 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15118702 bw in dc said:
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do we back up the Brinks Truck for a guy who finally had a career year or invest money for a QB who looks like a game manager for an offense that can’t break 18ppg.?

Let LW go...



WTF does one have to do with the other?




You need to look at these situations holistically. Not in a vacuum of: "LW is just such a great player. So sign him because we need more great players..."

The offense has a lot more holes than the defense - by far. And with cap limitations, you have to be more measured with investments. I maintain that we could still be a good D without LW due to Graham. I trust his schemes and trust that we would still have a good DL group without LW. We would need a guy Tomlinson to step up and maybe add another quality corner.

Look, we need to score more points. So if you want Jones to have a chance to possibly be more effective we need to invest more money for him. Because right now he doesn't appear to be in the same stratosphere as a Mahomes-type who makes the offense better merely by his play.

I know you think the cap is just an imaginary concept that can always be bent and twisted to make anything work. But I think it's a bit more complicated than that...


PG is going to have a harder time replicating the results of this D without an interior disruptor like LW than what Tomlinson brings. I’d much more inclined to say DT benefited more from LWs presence then other way around. DT is exactly the type of guy good organizations let walk because of their strength at the position. Been a while since we’ve even had to make a call like this.

The decision on these two will come directly from the coaches IMO. We’ll see which one they value more.
hoya  
JonC : 1/11/2021 1:20 pm : link
agreed, well put.
I really want to keep Tomlinson  
rasbutant : 1/11/2021 1:29 pm : link
but it just doesn't make sense money-wise. I'd stretch to 3yr 30M so 10m/yr average for him though. But you can't go any higher for a guy that might play 60% of the snaps. And the drop of to the next guy isn't going from 60mph to 15mph, more like 60mph to 45mph? And it can also be handled situationally, with a run stopper and penetrator being two low level players doing the work of one.
I used OTC's calculator to give us $26.4M in cap room for free agency  
Milton : 1/11/2021 1:52 pm : link
And this includes tagging Williams at $19.4M!
To accomplish this, I...
1. Released Solder and Tate.
2. Traded Engram for an industrial strength leaf blower.
3. Extended Bradberry, Martinez, and Peppers.
4. Extended Zeitler without giving him more money (converting his $12M salary into an $11M signing bonus and $1M salary and adding two non-guaranteed years to his current deal).

$26.4M is enough cap room to get things done in free agency if the value is there.
I'm resigned to one going away...  
BillKo : 1/11/2021 1:58 pm : link
....so I'd sign LW and let T walk for that comp pick.

We'll probably be picking an DL in the draft somewhere anyway......

Most importantly, need to get a #2 corner and a player who can generate a pass rush.
RE: RE: RE: And when you think about it  
Victor in CT : 1/11/2021 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15118726 adamg said:
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That's a day 1 or 2 pick every year not just every other year.

LW was a third.
Hill was a third.
DT was a second.
Lawrence was a first.

Each over the last four years. And it goes back further. Yes we hit on each pick. But we also failed to hit on another position.

DT isn't a premium position unless they rush like LW. I understand that, which is why he's priority. But it just seems like we need to address other spots (and at premium positions) on the team with draft resources.



Williams was not a third. He was Round 1, 6th overall.



We traded a third.


ah, gotcha
RE: I used OTC's calculator to give us $26.4M in cap room for free agency  
Thegratefulhead : 1/11/2021 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15118820 Milton said:
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And this includes tagging Williams at $19.4M!
To accomplish this, I...
1. Released Solder and Tate.
2. Traded Engram for an industrial strength leaf blower.
3. Extended Bradberry, Martinez, and Peppers.
4. Extended Zeitler without giving him more money (converting his $12M salary into an $11M signing bonus and $1M salary and adding two non-guaranteed years to his current deal).

$26.4M is enough cap room to get things done in free agency if the value is there.
Hunter Henry.
How are we in this mess  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/11/2021 2:49 pm : link
When we have a QB on a rookie contract?
RE: How are we in this mess  
Milton : 1/11/2021 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15118964 JoeyBigBlue said:
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When we have a QB on a rookie contract?
We're not in a mess.
Milton  
JonC : 1/11/2021 3:57 pm : link
Good stuff, will be interested to see their plan after a year of no gameday stadium revenues.
RE: Milton  
Victor in CT : 1/11/2021 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15119041 JonC said:
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Good stuff, will be interested to see their plan after a year of no gameday stadium revenues.


all but the leaf blower for Engram. An iron rake, maybe a broom tops. :-)
After Seeing Lawrence at NT  
section125 : 1/11/2021 4:42 pm : link
a few games late in the year, I think they were experimenting to see if the big man could play there effectively if they let DT go.

Johnson and Hill played well and I am sure there will be low cost phase two or three FAs that will sign for $2-$4 mill range.

Patrick Graham is the stick that stirs the drink.
Has LW ever missed a game???  
BillKo : 1/11/2021 4:53 pm : link
I don't believe so........that's pretty incredible in today's game..........

Availability is huge.
RE: RE: RE: Let’s see...  
GManinDC : 1/11/2021 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15118702 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15118311 bw in dc said:


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do we back up the Brinks Truck for a guy who finally had a career year or invest money for a QB who looks like a game manager for an offense that can’t break 18ppg.?

Let LW go...



WTF does one have to do with the other?




You need to look at these situations holistically. Not in a vacuum of: "LW is just such a great player. So sign him because we need more great players..."

The offense has a lot more holes than the defense - by far. And with cap limitations, you have to be more measured with investments. I maintain that we could still be a good D without LW due to Graham. I trust his schemes and trust that we would still have a good DL group without LW. We would need a guy Tomlinson to step up and maybe add another quality corner.

Look, we need to score more points. So if you want Jones to have a chance to possibly be more effective we need to invest more money for him. Because right now he doesn't appear to be in the same stratosphere as a Mahomes-type who makes the offense better merely by his play.

I know you think the cap is just an imaginary concept that can always be bent and twisted to make anything work. But I think it's a bit more complicated than that...



Good point made here.

I posed this question awhile back

Would you rather have DT and a stud ER or LW and a maybe average ER?

I think letting LW walk, keeping Tomlinson (about 10M a year) and getting/drafting stud ER and still have available cap space to help out the offense is the best way forward.

What we saw in these games was the push up front, but no outside contain. You have to have that ER to set that edge and force the QB to stay inside. You can then use that extra 10M (letting LW walk) cap space to pursue the skill players needed.

If you keep LW and let Tomlinson walk, will he have the same effectiveness without Tomlinson? Who is gonna fill that hole. Simply saying you draft one in X round and hope it works out is not sound judgement.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Let’s see...  
BillKo : 1/11/2021 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15119108 GManinDC said:
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do we back up the Brinks Truck for a guy who finally had a career year or invest money for a QB who looks like a game manager for an offense that can’t break 18ppg.?

Let LW go...



WTF does one have to do with the other?




You need to look at these situations holistically. Not in a vacuum of: "LW is just such a great player. So sign him because we need more great players..."

The offense has a lot more holes than the defense - by far. And with cap limitations, you have to be more measured with investments. I maintain that we could still be a good D without LW due to Graham. I trust his schemes and trust that we would still have a good DL group without LW. We would need a guy Tomlinson to step up and maybe add another quality corner.

Look, we need to score more points. So if you want Jones to have a chance to possibly be more effective we need to invest more money for him. Because right now he doesn't appear to be in the same stratosphere as a Mahomes-type who makes the offense better merely by his play.

I know you think the cap is just an imaginary concept that can always be bent and twisted to make anything work. But I think it's a bit more complicated than that...




Good point made here.

I posed this question awhile back

Would you rather have DT and a stud ER or LW and a maybe average ER?

I think letting LW walk, keeping Tomlinson (about 10M a year) and getting/drafting stud ER and still have available cap space to help out the offense is the best way forward.

What we saw in these games was the push up front, but no outside contain. You have to have that ER to set that edge and force the QB to stay inside. You can then use that extra 10M (letting LW walk) cap space to pursue the skill players needed.

If you keep LW and let Tomlinson walk, will he have the same effectiveness without Tomlinson? Who is gonna fill that hole. Simply saying you draft one in X round and hope it works out is not sound judgement.



So are you saying LW is going to cost you $10m more per year (or around that)?
RE: Has LW ever missed a game???  
BillKo : 1/11/2021 5:03 pm : link
In comment 15119102 BillKo said:
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I don't believe so........that's pretty incredible in today's game..........

Availability is huge.


DT also has never missed a game.....touche'!!!!!
Yep  
GManinDC : 1/11/2021 6:58 pm : link
He's gonna want the 20M range. And it's gonna be real close
RE: bw, good post  
djm : 1/11/2021 7:19 pm : link
In comment 15118744 JonC said:
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I would keep LW and let Tomlinson walk, but in complete agreement with the point you're making to djm.


I don’t understand this take that a team can’t pay SOME great defensive players while building an offense. You guys act like the giants are paying all these players like they were in 2010.

We can’t pay a guy like Williams and build an offense that doesn’t suck? Are you fricking kidding me??

Guys, this team is so devoid of star power and the one guy we found we’re gonna let walk because of money?? Nope! Sorry, nope!
And I never said  
djm : 1/11/2021 7:29 pm : link
The cap is an imaginary concept (bw) I said it’s not the end all be all line in the sand that some here worship and cower in fear of, especially these current cap figures some obsess over. It’s obviously something to be aware of but some of you act like you know the cap in and out. 2022 is just as relevant as 2021.

I’m done. Go ahead and let the best front seven player on this team walk and I’ll be here to remind you all how sad and inexcusable that move was. All because we can’t sign any offensive FAs? FAs we don’t even know exist mind you.

Haven’t developed shit on defense since JPP. Cool let’s let him walk. Because of no cap space. Get lost.
Williams  
Dragon : 1/13/2021 1:54 am : link
Is just not a special player yes he got sacks this year but when in 16 games he got 5.5 in two yet had a total of 11.5. We need a guy that produces in every game not two or three out of 16
RE: Williams  
chopperhatch : 1/13/2021 2:22 am : link
In comment 15120792 Dragon said:
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Is just not a special player yes he got sacks this year but when in 16 games he got 5.5 in two yet had a total of 11.5. We need a guy that produces in every game not two or three out of 16


Like who? Aaron Donald? Khalil Mack? Von Miller? TJ Watt?

Because those are the only bonafide, upper echelon pass rushers in the league, and none are available. Oh and only one plays the run as well as LW.

Give me a fucking break. LW is Richard Seymour part 2 right now. An absolutely game changer for the opposing team's offense.
Realistically, you want to keep both but you can't overpay either  
SGMen : 1/13/2021 2:42 am : link
By overpay, I don't mean by $1million lifetime over the contract. I mean by $10m where you have so much dead money should they not perform after two seasons like a Solder or a Tate or perhaps even a Zeitler who has NOT been as good for us as he was for the Browns.

What we need more than anything is to identify and keep our own players FIRST and FOREMOST and it seems we want both. We do have a bit of an advantage in that the cap will likely be around $170 million this year so guys may flood the market if they are unrealistic.

My 2 cent take: the Giants retain both; sign a key offensive weapon to help the offense; and, hope that the draft provides the rest.

We keep SOLDER if we believe he'll take a paycut to stay and play swing tackle. I don't think you can justify paying a swing tackle his huge salary but cutting him doesn't give you massive cap space either.

Tate is definitely gone and that helps.
RE: Williams  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2021 7:16 am : link
In comment 15120792 Dragon said:
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Is just not a special player yes he got sacks this year but when in 16 games he got 5.5 in two yet had a total of 11.5. We need a guy that produces in every game not two or three out of 16


Ignore the fact that sacks aren't the defining stat for a DT, Williams had sacks in half of our games this season. At least understand what the fuck you are going to rant about.
For the first time in a long time we have a player other teams  
Rick in Dallas : 1/13/2021 7:33 am : link
have to game plan for and we have fans who don't want to re-sign him. Williams is a must sign.Some of you guys are maddening at best...
RE: RE: bw, good post  
JonC : 1/13/2021 7:45 am : link
In comment 15119243 djm said:
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I would keep LW and let Tomlinson walk, but in complete agreement with the point you're making to djm.



I don’t understand this take that a team can’t pay SOME great defensive players while building an offense. You guys act like the giants are paying all these players like they were in 2010.

We can’t pay a guy like Williams and build an offense that doesn’t suck? Are you fricking kidding me??

Guys, this team is so devoid of star power and the one guy we found we’re gonna let walk because of money?? Nope! Sorry, nope!


I expect them to bite the bullet and retain LW. But, the cap is finite, and I wager they're likely going to place a value on Tomlinson that's lower than he can get on the open market from another team. Sometimes hard decisions need to be made and you can't pay everyone under a hard cap just because you can. You have to look at the whole roster, all the needs, both for 2020 and beyond. This offseason is especially pivotal for DG and Jones and you can bet some decisions will be made that won't be well liked because they're a front office these past three years that has been reactionary rather than out in front of the decisions.

Do some rough cap math, don't rely on some imaginary axiom that they can be pay everyone. If DT is willing to compromise I'm all ears, but if he's looking for more than $10M per especially I'd rather put the dollars elsewhere. The roster needs a CB and WR more than it needs to pay DT open market dollars.

I’m with djm on this one for once  
cosmicj : 1/13/2021 8:49 am : link
When you sign a big ticket FA, you are wagering both that the guy didn’t benefit greatly from the system he was in and the players on his old team’s unit and ALSO that he will fit into your system and mesh well with your players. It’s a risky decision, which why so many of the signings fail, and they fail even though the player signed is very talented.

Instead of taking on all that risk because of some theories about roster management, how about a simple solution: you sign the guy (Tomlinson) who plays well within your system. You have the money, you keep him. Keep it simple stupid.
RE: How are we in this mess  
cosmicj : 1/13/2021 8:51 am : link
In comment 15118964 JoeyBigBlue said:
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When we have a QB on a rookie contract?
good point. Another reason why DG has to go. Though the two big FA signings from 2020 were well put together. Maybe there is hope that the front office is improving.
I'd sign both  
Stu11 : 1/13/2021 9:07 am : link
This defense clearly showed that it was building something promising this year especially the 2nd half of the season. Why break up the best unit on your team by letting either walk? As others have pointed out the Rams don't seem to suffer by doing it. The Ravens surely don't. Both are smack dab in the primes of their career. Sure we need to add other pieces. We can do that through the draft and a FA signing here or there, but there's no reason to let talent in the prime of their career walk.
seriously doubt they'll be able to sign both  
bc4life : 1/13/2021 1:48 pm : link
cap is lower and even if it wasn't can only devote so much $ to any given position.

and in a few years you'll have DL's contract to deal with.

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