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| What you want, what you need and what you realistically can have are all about to collide when it comes to the Giants and their desire to keep Leonard Williams and Dalvin Tomlinson as stalwarts on their defensive line. They want both of them. They need both of them. Realistically, though, can they keep both of them? |
Offensive skill positions have to be addressed.
George Costanza
“I’m not going to lie, going into this season, throughout the season, at the end of the season, it’s never been about money for me,’’ Williams said. “I was kind of drafted high, made a lot of money already in my career. I feel like I was smart enough and I could retire now and still have enough money for the rest of my life, but it’s never been about the money. I think I just more wanted the respect and to show guys the reason why I’m in this league.’’
Giants need to address the offensive weapons in FA too. Draft can't fill all the holes/depth issues.
Let LW go...
Please keep it get together through contract restructures and player cuts and use the draft to get your offensive playmakers.
This is why you have Kevin Abrams in the FO to do his magic.
Both LW and DT are only 26 years old and great guys in the locker room.
BJ/AJ + RJ are not a terrible supporting cast.
Let LW go...
That's the choice we are facing??
You really can't help but to mention Jones or Barkley in threads that have nothing to do with them, can you?
I hope LW understands that fit is important, hopefully both sides can agree to a team friendly type contract.
George Costanza
“I think I just more wanted the respect and to show guys the reason why I’m in this league.’’
And respect is shown by a high contract, so yeah, it's about the money. They have both earned it. Pay them. Even if it means we can't find a high price WR or Edge guy in free agency.
Even if you subtract Lamar, they gave up 170 yards at 6+ ypc.
The notion of a dominating DL that has to be kept together is a mirage.
Let LW go...
We can sign Leonard Williams and a WR. Or Tomlinson and a WR. Or keep both DTs and draft a WR.
More options than you think.
How much of a drop off is there from Tomlinson to Austin Johnson/BJ Hill/Draft pick and is that drop off proportionate to the salary difference.
Personally I would allocate that money elsewhere.
Tomlinson is more key and more consistent.
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do we back up the Brinks Truck for a guy who finally had a career year or invest money for a QB who looks like a game manager for an offense that can’t break 18ppg.?
Let LW go...
That's the choice we are facing??
You really can't help but to mention Jones or Barkley in threads that have nothing to do with them, can you?
I believe it is, yes.
We averaged 17.5ppg. That’s at least a full TD below where we need to be to really compete. The offense needs more speed, more blocking, more catches, more depth...everything. It’s a scoring league.
I trust Graham’s ability to scheme it up to keep us in games without LW, using more draft picks and cheaper options in free agency.
Even if you subtract Lamar, they gave up 170 yards at 6+ ypc.
The notion of a dominating DL that has to be kept together is a mirage.
You're cherry picking to support your opinion.
The defense averaged 4.1 per carry. 9th in the league and significantly better than the one game that you've conveniently held aloft as an example of this defense.
Although it worked this year, LDE is not the ideal position for DL.
The biggest whole on the defense is a legit 3-down LB to play next to Martinez. You see this time and again on 3rd down both in run support and coverage.
Make me cry, Leonard. Sign this new contract worth $22M per year for four years and $40M guaranteed...
Some difficult decisions coming if team truly wants to add playmakers and score more points. Difficult being a loosely used term because they HAVE TO score more points.
Let LW go...
The article and topic has nothing to do with Jones. Get a grip
The short term cap situation (poor) relative to the strength of the roster (also poor) is a bad situation. It's the biggest reason that I believe Gettleman has been a complete failure.
Sure, he walked into a mess. But cleaning up the books should be the easy part -- say goodbye to veterans making too much money, and don't bust on on long term deals with huge guaranteed $. Most teams can straighten that part out within 2 seasons.
But you can't NOT figure that out over 3 years and also put up 15-33. That's a failure.
christian, definitely need a starting caliber ILB next to Blake.
Let LW go...
I respect your opinions around here - but that line about LW's career year is just lazy.
His sack number was a career high - but all the rest of his numbers are in-line with what he's done in the past.
Pay the man - pay him his money.
2 starting DL set to become FA
Weak at the offensive skill positions
No edge rushers to speak of
and $13M of cap space going in.
Sure, they can free up another $25M or so pretty easily....by incurring another $10-20M of dead cap between 2021 and 2022 depending on pre and post June 1 designations.
Hard for me to see how that's not a bad situation (again, relative to the overall condition of the roster. Don't throw that part away).
It's the type of situation that teams find themselves in. But not after drafting in the top 10 for 3 years running.
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do we back up the Brinks Truck for a guy who finally had a career year or invest money for a QB who looks like a game manager for an offense that can’t break 18ppg.?
Let LW go...
That's the choice we are facing??
You really can't help but to mention Jones or Barkley in threads that have nothing to do with them, can you?
Sign Jacoby Brissett. FMIC thinks he’s an All PRO caliber QB 🤦♂️🤪
Tate is certainly gone. Not sure about Solder, but we aren't going to be too stressed with the cap this year.
2) Drop Tate, Fackerel and Zeitler.
3) Solve for LW
4) Pre plan how to solve for 2nd Cb and christian's point above
5) Solve for DT
Solve offense via draft
I'll buy the beer....
Cap will still allow them to do some things with a big LW deal. But probably not enough to feel good about Offense.
Will simply need a draft that hits it out of the park with new playmakers. Feel good about that happening?
As bbhoya stated, its still a function of building the roster properly for more improvement.
Or do you want to stay at 6 wins and just have ebbs/flows of fixing holes and creating new ones?
Even if you subtract Lamar, they gave up 170 yards at 6+ ypc.
The notion of a dominating DL that has to be kept together is a mirage.
Here's a prime example of stats telling you one thing, but if you watched the game you saw something else entirely.
The Ravens got a huge amount of their rushing yardage around the edge in their domination of the Giants vs the Giants third string edge players. From the getgo that game the Giants were way overmatched on the edges. Hell I called thst BEFORE the game and there was at least one thread specifically about that immediately after the gamd.
It's inaccurate to pin that on the Giants DL without talking about the edge players, or for that matter Tae Crowder, the Giants' Mr Irrelevan LB, who showed a LOT of return on the investment placed in him, but still, not so much in that game.
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in the next to last game of the season.
Even if you subtract Lamar, they gave up 170 yards at 6+ ypc.
The notion of a dominating DL that has to be kept together is a mirage.
Here's a prime example of stats telling you one thing, but if you watched the game you saw something else entirely.
The Ravens got a huge amount of their rushing yardage around the edge in their domination of the Giants vs the Giants third string edge players. From the getgo that game the Giants were way overmatched on the edges. Hell I called thst BEFORE the game and there was at least one thread specifically about that immediately after the gamd.
It's inaccurate to pin that on the Giants DL without talking about the edge players, or for that matter Tae Crowder, the Giants' Mr Irrelevan LB, who showed a LOT of return on the investment placed in him, but still, not so much in that game.
The difference between football and baseball is that there is always someone else to blame, so no one's opinion about a player (or, in this case, unit) can ever be proven wrong.
Bottom line to me is: if the DL as constituted is helpless to prevent you from giving up 250 yards rushing to a playoff caliber team, then you have to face the hard decisions that a cap system requires you to make regarding overall team competence.
I'm rooting for Hill, but he hasn't shown nearly enough to be put in a conversation with DT let alone LW. He'll be a FA in a year anyway. I'd rather have DT locked up than have to be put in this same spot with a lesser player like Hill. Keeping Hill as the third man is ideal imo.
Thrives at another organization.
Regret ensues, cap is ignored, fans blame the GM.
Imho, the choice this year is between Hill and DT. I'm choosing DT and letting Hill walk. I'd rather spend day 1 and 2 picks on WR/TE and CB/ER rather than DL this year.