I wouldn't be so confident that Toronto signing DJL (I don't believe they will) would hurt their odds of signing Springer. In fact, it might enhance them and make them a more appealing landing spot
I wouldn't be so confident that Toronto signing DJL (I don't believe they will) would hurt their odds of signing Springer. In fact, it might enhance them and make them a more appealing landing spot
The thing that hurts their odds is that previously it sounds like the NYM had more $ on the table.
My guess is that the NYM pov is that they put the best offer out there and if Springer circles back to them they will probably find a way to make it work. And if Springer finds a stronger market elsewhere it won't work.
So the question is if DJL (or anything Toronto does) makes it more likely they increase their offer to Springer?
I wouldn't be so confident that Toronto signing DJL (I don't believe they will) would hurt their odds of signing Springer. In fact, it might enhance them and make them a more appealing landing spot
The thing that hurts their odds is that previously it sounds like the NYM had more $ on the table.
My guess is that the NYM pov is that they put the best offer out there and if Springer circles back to them they will probably find a way to make it work. And if Springer finds a stronger market elsewhere it won't work.
So the question is if DJL (or anything Toronto does) makes it more likely they increase their offer to Springer?
Well Toronto has a TON of potential money they can spend. They are about 125 million under the luxury tax and in 2017 and 2018 their payroll was 163 and 162 million. Given how aggressive they have been it's very safe to suggest they would have zero issue adding both players. The money won't be an issue.
We have to keep in mind that both the Mets pursuit of Bryant and their offer to Springer came BEFORE the Lindor trade so we have no idea what they are willing to do now. Toronto reportedly felt pretty confident THEY were going to pull off the Lindor move so the flip side is the Mets likely weren't sure if they would be able to pull it off. The point is basically, people rooting for Toronto to sign DJL because it means no Springer for them are likely misguided.
The former Astro wants a deal in the $175MM range, but the Mets have been short of that at around five years and $150MM, according to Martino. The Blue Jays, who have also been in on Springer, are in the five-year, $115MM range, Martino relays.
So either:
a) TOR will up their offer considerably
b) a mystery team will come up with a big offer
c) the NYM will be in a position to get him if they want him
how things change and when the waiting game ends who knows, though more than any other year it would seem that B is unlikely.
So there's nothing the Mets can do except wait and that's probably the correct move - but if C does happen I suspect they will find a way to make it work.
The former Astro wants a deal in the $175MM range, but the Mets have been short of that at around five years and $150MM, according to Martino. The Blue Jays, who have also been in on Springer, are in the five-year, $115MM range, Martino relays.
So either:
a) TOR will up their offer considerably
b) a mystery team will come up with a big offer
c) the NYM will be in a position to get him if they want him
how things change and when the waiting game ends who knows, though more than any other year it would seem that B is unlikely.
So there's nothing the Mets can do except wait and that's probably the correct move - but if C does happen I suspect they will find a way to make it work.
Again the Mets Springer offer came BEFORE they added about 32 million in Lindor/Carrasco. I don't think we can assume the Mets are leaving 5 years 150 on the table. In fact, Heyman reported they would have to move salary to sign Springer at all. None of this has anything to do with my overall point that Toronto 100% can afford both, or 3 of the top available FA's. DJL wouldn't impede this in terms of payroll or lux tax.
also has an additional 20 million coming off the books with Roark/Ray. They are in a great position. They would be smart to lock up some of their young/cheap talent.
The former Astro wants a deal in the $175MM range, but the Mets have been short of that at around five years and $150MM, according to Martino. The Blue Jays, who have also been in on Springer, are in the five-year, $115MM range, Martino relays.
So either:
a) TOR will up their offer considerably
b) a mystery team will come up with a big offer
c) the NYM will be in a position to get him if they want him
how things change and when the waiting game ends who knows, though more than any other year it would seem that B is unlikely.
So there's nothing the Mets can do except wait and that's probably the correct move - but if C does happen I suspect they will find a way to make it work.
Wherever that blurb is from is actually not accurate. Martino said "The Mets, per sources, had been willing to offer a five-year deal for somewhat less than $150 million. He didn't say short of 175, he said somewhat less than 150. We also don't even know the years. For all we know Toronto offered 4 years 115 vs. 5 for 145 for the Mets, so we could easily be talking about Toronto simply adding a year.
I didn't say the Mets exact offer is still out there
I said they may be in a position to get him if they want him because if you believe the reporting they put in the high bid so far by a healthy margin.
Of course events have likely changed their posture towards Springer but they haven't shot it down completely when directly asked so I think if they end up in the position where Springer's camp wants to re-engage they will make it work (and yes as reported that almost definitely would involve moving some salary).
As for Toronto I don't know what their plan is only what's been reported. I have no idea why they offered so much less than the NYM initially and I have no idea whether or not they will up their offer because none of us know the true budget parameters any of these teams are under (NYM included).
RE: RE: Re: springer this is the math that matters
The former Astro wants a deal in the $175MM range, but the Mets have been short of that at around five years and $150MM, according to Martino. The Blue Jays, who have also been in on Springer, are in the five-year, $115MM range, Martino relays.
So either:
a) TOR will up their offer considerably
b) a mystery team will come up with a big offer
c) the NYM will be in a position to get him if they want him
how things change and when the waiting game ends who knows, though more than any other year it would seem that B is unlikely.
So there's nothing the Mets can do except wait and that's probably the correct move - but if C does happen I suspect they will find a way to make it work.
Wherever that blurb is from is actually not accurate. Martino said "The Mets, per sources, had been willing to offer a five-year deal for somewhat less than $150 million. He didn't say short of 175, he said somewhat less than 150. We also don't even know the years. For all we know Toronto offered 4 years 115 vs. 5 for 145 for the Mets, so we could easily be talking about Toronto simply adding a year.
we are having 2 completely different discussions. My original point is DJL doesn't keep the Blue Jays from also signing Springer. That's factual based on their payroll and lux tax considerations.
-Also in regard to Lindor, IF the Mets tear up his current deal his new salary DOES count against the 2021 payroll so it would behoove both sides to have the deal begin in 2022 otherwise that's roughly 10 million more added to the 2021# which would put them roughly 18 million under the lux tax. Another option (in addition to this) would be extending Stroman at a lower AAV. 4 years 60 (for example). It would save the Mets 4 million per season vs. the tax.
RE: RE: RE: Re: springer this is the math that matters
The former Astro wants a deal in the $175MM range, but the Mets have been short of that at around five years and $150MM, according to Martino. The Blue Jays, who have also been in on Springer, are in the five-year, $115MM range, Martino relays.
So either:
a) TOR will up their offer considerably
b) a mystery team will come up with a big offer
c) the NYM will be in a position to get him if they want him
how things change and when the waiting game ends who knows, though more than any other year it would seem that B is unlikely.
So there's nothing the Mets can do except wait and that's probably the correct move - but if C does happen I suspect they will find a way to make it work.
Wherever that blurb is from is actually not accurate. Martino said "The Mets, per sources, had been willing to offer a five-year deal for somewhat less than $150 million. He didn't say short of 175, he said somewhat less than 150. We also don't even know the years. For all we know Toronto offered 4 years 115 vs. 5 for 145 for the Mets, so we could easily be talking about Toronto simply adding a year.
Was from the latest rumors tagged with George Springer. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/george-springer - ( New Window )
Eric, click the link they are citing word for word
"As you know, the Mets have been negotiating with Springer for much of the offseason. According to league sources, the centerfielder is seeking approximately $175 million. The Mets, per sources, had been willing to offer a five-year deal for somewhat less than $150 million." They summary does not match what Martino reported and he's what they are calling their source.
The Reds and Nationals are known to have discussed a possible deal around third baseman Eugenio Suarez, and the failure to complete a deal seems to hinge on the Nats’ unwillingness to part with top pitching prospects Jackson Rutledge and Cade Cavalli, per MLB Insider Jon Heyman (via Twitter). Rutledge and Cavalli were the Nats’ top draft choices in the past two drafts. It’s not a surprise that Washington would hold on tight, as their system isn’t known for tremendous depth, and they traditionally value starting pitching. Besides, ace Max Scherzer will be a free agent after this season, and at some point, the Nats will need to graduate top pitching talent in order to maintain the standard they have set in the rotation. Any deal with the Nats would probably have to center on Carter Kieboom. If the Reds believe in Kieboom’s ability to play shortstop, he would make sense as a starting point for a deal.
The former Astro wants a deal in the $175MM range, but the Mets have been short of that at around five years and $150MM, according to Martino. The Blue Jays, who have also been in on Springer, are in the five-year, $115MM range, Martino relays.
So either:
a) TOR will up their offer considerably
b) a mystery team will come up with a big offer
c) the NYM will be in a position to get him if they want him
how things change and when the waiting game ends who knows, though more than any other year it would seem that B is unlikely.
So there's nothing the Mets can do except wait and that's probably the correct move - but if C does happen I suspect they will find a way to make it work.
Wherever that blurb is from is actually not accurate. Martino said "The Mets, per sources, had been willing to offer a five-year deal for somewhat less than $150 million. He didn't say short of 175, he said somewhat less than 150. We also don't even know the years. For all we know Toronto offered 4 years 115 vs. 5 for 145 for the Mets, so we could easily be talking about Toronto simply adding a year.
Was from the latest rumors tagged with George Springer. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/george-springer - ( New Window )
Eric, click the link they are citing word for word
"As you know, the Mets have been negotiating with Springer for much of the offseason. According to league sources, the centerfielder is seeking approximately $175 million. The Mets, per sources, had been willing to offer a five-year deal for somewhat less than $150 million." They summary does not match what Martino reported and he's what they are calling their source.
Is there a difference between:
"a 5 year deal for somewhat less than 150m" (Martino)
and
"around 5 years $150m" (MLBTR blurb)
Million over 5 vs. 4 years 115 isn’t exactly a huge difference when it’s a negotiation. I’m also not sure why you’re focused on this? My point for the umpteenth time is DJL doesn’t impact Toronto’s pursuit of Springer. Which point have you made that argues against this? That their previous Springer for offer was lower than the Mets pre-Lindor offer? I’m legitimately confused.
-Tim Britton with a great piece in the Athletic talking about what Lindor’s deal might look like. He said it could be anywhere from 8 years 35 per to something like 11 for 30 per of the Mets care about the lux tax as Sandy suggested they do (as they should as repeat offenders have big penalties in terms of the current CBA)
Toronto has tons of money to spend and as recently as 2018 did: everyone agrees they have been aggressive. What have I said that you disagree with? They can’t afford both?
Toronto has tons of money to spend and as recently as 2018 did: everyone agrees they have been aggressive. What have I said that you disagree with? They can’t afford both?
Let me flip the question on you, what did I say that you disagree with?
My point was simply that the essence of what Martino reported was that the Mets had the high offer - and my inference is that Springer could circle back to the Mets if that remains the case. Martino sort of implied as much so not really a huge leap.
To answer your question I don't think that opinion runs contrary to anything you said about TOR spending power but the reported fact is that for whatever reason their offer to Springer had been lower. Obviously they can increase it but for whatever reason to the point each side was making Springer offers previously they didn't.
Disagree with the idea that because Toronto’s offer was lower that it means they can’t/won’t sign him. If that’s their final offer then we know they are “out” and there is nothing to suggest they are. We don’t know the years offered and maybe it’s posturing but Porter implied the focus is now depth and SP and once you add that it would become increasingly hard to see a Springer situation. As it is, if they add another “real” SP or even Hand before moving salary it probably closes the Springer door. Lindor’s new dea if it doesn’t get added to 2021 and they rip up 21 will impact it too
Essentially called that weirdo Laura Goldman a fraud claiming she was friends with him. She also claimed she was close with Ghislaine Maxwell. What an oddball
Apparently is angling for the highest SP AAV over the longest years. It won’t be the Mets but I’m curious if really does take day 2 for 74 from someone like LAA
Disagree with the idea that because Toronto’s offer was lower that it means they can’t/won’t sign him. If that’s their final offer then we know they are “out” and there is nothing to suggest they are. We don’t know the years offered and maybe it’s posturing but Porter implied the focus is now depth and SP and once you add that it would become increasingly hard to see a Springer situation. As it is, if they add another “real” SP or even Hand before moving salary it probably closes the Springer door. Lindor’s new dea if it doesn’t get added to 2021 and they rip up 21 will impact it too
That is a strawman - where did I say say "they can't/won't sign him"? Toronto increasing their offer was literally the first possible scenario I listed because it is certainly possible that they do so.
The former Astro wants a deal in the $175MM range, but the Mets have been short of that at around five years and $150MM, according to Martino. The Blue Jays, who have also been in on Springer, are in the five-year, $115MM range, Martino relays.
So either:
a) TOR will up their offer considerably
b) a mystery team will come up with a big offer
c) the NYM will be in a position to get him if they want him
how things change and when the waiting game ends who knows, though more than any other year it would seem that B is unlikely.
So there's nothing the Mets can do except wait and that's probably the correct move - but if C does happen I suspect they will find a way to make it work.
Essentially called that weirdo Laura Goldman a fraud claiming she was friends with him. She also claimed she was close with Ghislaine Maxwell. What an oddball
That woman seems like she has some mental health issues.
Essentially called that weirdo Laura Goldman a fraud claiming she was friends with him. She also claimed she was close with Ghislaine Maxwell. What an oddball
That woman seems like she has some mental health issues.
She did an odd pivot baiting Cohen claiming he was active on Parler (I’m not making this political just stating a fact) and then calling him out for not answering her questions regarding harassment at his company (there is a well known lawsuit against his company not Cohen personally). I guess she gave up pretending they were pals
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would LOVE Springer but not if he's going to cost us Conforto.
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2017-2020 Springer ranks 6th among OF in fWAR, Conforto is 8th. Conforto much younger/in prime whereas you’re paying Springer for his age 31-35 seasons. Don’t think it’s at all crazy to say Conforto significantly outperforms Springer over the next 5-6 years.
Can the Mets start the season ? I’m so pumped
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As a former NY resident, I know plenty of Mets fans. "So pumped" is putting it mildly. We still don't know how Cohen is going to do long-term as an owner but this is a pretty solid win to bank
2:02
This Mets team is gonna be a ton of fun. I already thought they were more fun than their record, and Lindor is just the best
would LOVE Springer but not if he's going to cost us Conforto.
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2017-2020 Springer ranks 6th among OF in fWAR, Conforto is 8th. Conforto much younger/in prime whereas you’re paying Springer for his age 31-35 seasons. Don’t think it’s at all crazy to say Conforto significantly outperforms Springer over the next 5-6 years.
The only thing that will cost us Conforto is Conforto/Boras. But time will tell on that I guess.
I do kind of doubt they resign both Conforto and Nimmo. That would just be a ton of money in the corners. So if they get a bad read on negotiations with Conforto this offseason maybe they approach Nimmo about extending 2 years early? I think it would certainly motivate them to think real hard about locking down Springer.
he is not an ace, and lots of baggage comes along for the ride.
Wonder how 'close to $138, I mean $150mm they offered Springer? Do you really break the face of the franchise, for someone that won't be? Even DeGrom recognized that.
think all things being equal they would keep Conforto who had been mentioned by many as the heart and soul of the team. That being said, as you noted, Boras is the x-factor. They also don't have any CO prospects in the system. Just using MLB.com's list the Mets top CO prospect is Freddy Valdez... he of the 3 career games in the US.
think all things being equal they would keep Conforto who had been mentioned by many as the heart and soul of the team. That being said, as you noted, Boras is the x-factor. They also don't have any CO prospects in the system. Just using MLB.com's list the Mets top CO prospect is Freddy Valdez... he of the 3 career games in the US.
Agreed - and I still think he will extend here. he has always been positive about being a NYM, etc. But if he plays hardball this offseason I think the door opens for a divergence if...
a) Springer circles back
b) Nimmo is open to extend at a reasonable figure
if you aren't confident Conforto is extending but those other 2 things are on the table, isn't that the kind of multi-year consideration they've been talking about?
think all things being equal they would keep Conforto who had been mentioned by many as the heart and soul of the team. That being said, as you noted, Boras is the x-factor. They also don't have any CO prospects in the system. Just using MLB.com's list the Mets top CO prospect is Freddy Valdez... he of the 3 career games in the US.
Agreed - and I still think he will extend here. he has always been positive about being a NYM, etc. But if he plays hardball this offseason I think the door opens for a divergence if...
a) Springer circles back
b) Nimmo is open to extend at a reasonable figure
if you aren't confident Conforto is extending but those other 2 things are on the table, isn't that the kind of multi-year consideration they've been talking about?
This is a new era of Mets baseball where lux tax and year to year "spending too much on too few players" like the Yankees have come up against are going to be the reality, and deferred money will be a discussion vs. backloading (which helps a cheap owner but not a rich owner trying to stay under the lux tax).
Completely unrelated but somehow JBJ and JDD posted near identical sprint speeds in 2020. SOme guys just make it work I guess?
Completely agree that's why when push comes to shove I think Springer
ends up here unless another team blows him out of the water (which may happen, so my statement is by no means a given).
If you have to pick and choose where to spend $ the places to pick are premium positions. They aggressively targeted a C and obviously are now going to spend big on SS (even though they already had a few cheap ones and didn't need to). There are at least a dozen comparable COF'ers to Nimmo/Conforto. There are at best a handful of Springers.
Conforto is on the cusp of getting paid, Nimmo is not far behind, CF is going to require some level of resource investment depending on how Nimmo's defense is evaluated. Odds are the NYM starting OF is making close to $50m in AAV by next season with or without Springer. The only question is whether that money is mostly in CF or in the corners? Unless someone goes really big for Springer I think I'd lock down the premium position now and accept that 1 of Nimmo/Conforto will probably end up walking.
amazing is the near-complete lack of silence on Realmuto, who some (not myself personally) felt was the #1 FA. I understand it's an extremely quiet market but we do have Springer, Bauer, DJL, Odorizzi, Hendriks, Hand, Turner, JBJ etc with different levels of buzz. Realmuto... silence.
amazing is the near-complete lack of silence on Realmuto, who some (not myself personally) felt was the #1 FA. I understand it's an extremely quiet market but we do have Springer, Bauer, DJL, Odorizzi, Hendriks, Hand, Turner, JBJ etc with different levels of buzz. Realmuto... silence.
other than TOR and NYM at the top it seems like nobody has an appetite to spend big. Maybe a bunch of moves will materialize quickly at the end like Machado and Harper, or maybe a bunch of guys will be left taking 1 year deals. I don't think I'd be shocked in either direction but I do suspect there will be a high volume of 1 year bargains when it's all said and done.
amazing is the near-complete lack of silence on Realmuto, who some (not myself personally) felt was the #1 FA. I understand it's an extremely quiet market but we do have Springer, Bauer, DJL, Odorizzi, Hendriks, Hand, Turner, JBJ etc with different levels of buzz. Realmuto... silence.
other than TOR and NYM at the top it seems like nobody has an appetite to spend big. Maybe a bunch of moves will materialize quickly at the end like Machado and Harper, or maybe a bunch of guys will be left taking 1 year deals. I don't think I'd be shocked in either direction but I do suspect there will be a high volume of 1 year bargains when it's all said and done.
I don't disagree with you but there has been SOME buzz on the players I named (and a few others) Realmuto outside of possibly the Phillies maybe making him an offer it's been near silence. Even Bauer and his huge ask is being discussed. Realmuto will get paid, it's just amazing this late it's been radio silence.
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While we're still unsure of when the 2021 #MLB season will start, a source just informed me that an American League team is preparing for an Opening Day near Memorial Day with the hope that enough time would be afforded for players/coaches/staff to receive the COVID-19 vaccine.
Memorial Day is May 31st. If that happened, we'd likely only be 2-3 weeks into the season before we saw Syndergaard.
amazing is the near-complete lack of silence on Realmuto, who some (not myself personally) felt was the #1 FA. I understand it's an extremely quiet market but we do have Springer, Bauer, DJL, Odorizzi, Hendriks, Hand, Turner, JBJ etc with different levels of buzz. Realmuto... silence.
other than TOR and NYM at the top it seems like nobody has an appetite to spend big. Maybe a bunch of moves will materialize quickly at the end like Machado and Harper, or maybe a bunch of guys will be left taking 1 year deals. I don't think I'd be shocked in either direction but I do suspect there will be a high volume of 1 year bargains when it's all said and done.
I don't disagree with you but there has been SOME buzz on the players I named (and a few others) Realmuto outside of possibly the Phillies maybe making him an offer it's been near silence. Even Bauer and his huge ask is being discussed. Realmuto will get paid, it's just amazing this late it's been radio silence.
The buzz seems to be around the players who are perceived values in the 2nd tier. Odorizzi seems the consensus cheaper alternative SP. DJL is presumably going to be cheaper than Springer among the top position players. The RP's are always cheaper than other positions. Teams definitely appear to be value hunting vs. luxury shopping.
feel like if he gets those close to 300 he's going to want the 300. Maybe he doesn't care but to say you signed a 300 million dollar contract might mean something to him.
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Per source, Hendriks will earn $39 million during the first three years (2021-23) of his deal. The 2024 option is worth $15 million - as is the buyout, which would be paid out over a designated period of time if Chicago declines the option. Guarantee is $54 million either way.
But Brad Hand wasn't worth $10m for 1 year!?!?!?!?!
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Per source, Hendriks will earn $39 million during the first three years (2021-23) of his deal. The 2024 option is worth $15 million - as is the buyout, which would be paid out over a designated period of time if Chicago declines the option. Guarantee is $54 million either way.
But Brad Hand wasn't worth $10m for 1 year!?!?!?!?!
The Hand stuff makes me believe the league over compensated for what they thought was coming because while we’ve gone back and forth and I’ve made clear I much preferred Hendriks the price (or what could have been the price) for Hand vs Hendriks is striking. Still love it for the white Sox aka the Cohen haters
The thing that hurts their odds is that previously it sounds like the NYM had more $ on the table.
My guess is that the NYM pov is that they put the best offer out there and if Springer circles back to them they will probably find a way to make it work. And if Springer finds a stronger market elsewhere it won't work.
So the question is if DJL (or anything Toronto does) makes it more likely they increase their offer to Springer?
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I wouldn't be so confident that Toronto signing DJL (I don't believe they will) would hurt their odds of signing Springer. In fact, it might enhance them and make them a more appealing landing spot
The thing that hurts their odds is that previously it sounds like the NYM had more $ on the table.
My guess is that the NYM pov is that they put the best offer out there and if Springer circles back to them they will probably find a way to make it work. And if Springer finds a stronger market elsewhere it won't work.
So the question is if DJL (or anything Toronto does) makes it more likely they increase their offer to Springer?
Well Toronto has a TON of potential money they can spend. They are about 125 million under the luxury tax and in 2017 and 2018 their payroll was 163 and 162 million. Given how aggressive they have been it's very safe to suggest they would have zero issue adding both players. The money won't be an issue.
We have to keep in mind that both the Mets pursuit of Bryant and their offer to Springer came BEFORE the Lindor trade so we have no idea what they are willing to do now. Toronto reportedly felt pretty confident THEY were going to pull off the Lindor move so the flip side is the Mets likely weren't sure if they would be able to pull it off. The point is basically, people rooting for Toronto to sign DJL because it means no Springer for them are likely misguided.
So either:
a) TOR will up their offer considerably
b) a mystery team will come up with a big offer
c) the NYM will be in a position to get him if they want him
how things change and when the waiting game ends who knows, though more than any other year it would seem that B is unlikely.
So there's nothing the Mets can do except wait and that's probably the correct move - but if C does happen I suspect they will find a way to make it work.
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The former Astro wants a deal in the $175MM range, but the Mets have been short of that at around five years and $150MM, according to Martino. The Blue Jays, who have also been in on Springer, are in the five-year, $115MM range, Martino relays.
So either:
a) TOR will up their offer considerably
b) a mystery team will come up with a big offer
c) the NYM will be in a position to get him if they want him
how things change and when the waiting game ends who knows, though more than any other year it would seem that B is unlikely.
So there's nothing the Mets can do except wait and that's probably the correct move - but if C does happen I suspect they will find a way to make it work.
Again the Mets Springer offer came BEFORE they added about 32 million in Lindor/Carrasco. I don't think we can assume the Mets are leaving 5 years 150 on the table. In fact, Heyman reported they would have to move salary to sign Springer at all. None of this has anything to do with my overall point that Toronto 100% can afford both, or 3 of the top available FA's. DJL wouldn't impede this in terms of payroll or lux tax.
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The former Astro wants a deal in the $175MM range, but the Mets have been short of that at around five years and $150MM, according to Martino. The Blue Jays, who have also been in on Springer, are in the five-year, $115MM range, Martino relays.
So either:
a) TOR will up their offer considerably
b) a mystery team will come up with a big offer
c) the NYM will be in a position to get him if they want him
how things change and when the waiting game ends who knows, though more than any other year it would seem that B is unlikely.
So there's nothing the Mets can do except wait and that's probably the correct move - but if C does happen I suspect they will find a way to make it work.
Wherever that blurb is from is actually not accurate. Martino said "The Mets, per sources, had been willing to offer a five-year deal for somewhat less than $150 million. He didn't say short of 175, he said somewhat less than 150. We also don't even know the years. For all we know Toronto offered 4 years 115 vs. 5 for 145 for the Mets, so we could easily be talking about Toronto simply adding a year.
Of course events have likely changed their posture towards Springer but they haven't shot it down completely when directly asked so I think if they end up in the position where Springer's camp wants to re-engage they will make it work (and yes as reported that almost definitely would involve moving some salary).
As for Toronto I don't know what their plan is only what's been reported. I have no idea why they offered so much less than the NYM initially and I have no idea whether or not they will up their offer because none of us know the true budget parameters any of these teams are under (NYM included).
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The former Astro wants a deal in the $175MM range, but the Mets have been short of that at around five years and $150MM, according to Martino. The Blue Jays, who have also been in on Springer, are in the five-year, $115MM range, Martino relays.
So either:
a) TOR will up their offer considerably
b) a mystery team will come up with a big offer
c) the NYM will be in a position to get him if they want him
how things change and when the waiting game ends who knows, though more than any other year it would seem that B is unlikely.
So there's nothing the Mets can do except wait and that's probably the correct move - but if C does happen I suspect they will find a way to make it work.
Wherever that blurb is from is actually not accurate. Martino said "The Mets, per sources, had been willing to offer a five-year deal for somewhat less than $150 million. He didn't say short of 175, he said somewhat less than 150. We also don't even know the years. For all we know Toronto offered 4 years 115 vs. 5 for 145 for the Mets, so we could easily be talking about Toronto simply adding a year.
Was from the latest rumors tagged with George Springer.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/george-springer - ( New Window )
-Also in regard to Lindor, IF the Mets tear up his current deal his new salary DOES count against the 2021 payroll so it would behoove both sides to have the deal begin in 2022 otherwise that's roughly 10 million more added to the 2021# which would put them roughly 18 million under the lux tax. Another option (in addition to this) would be extending Stroman at a lower AAV. 4 years 60 (for example). It would save the Mets 4 million per season vs. the tax.
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The former Astro wants a deal in the $175MM range, but the Mets have been short of that at around five years and $150MM, according to Martino. The Blue Jays, who have also been in on Springer, are in the five-year, $115MM range, Martino relays.
So either:
a) TOR will up their offer considerably
b) a mystery team will come up with a big offer
c) the NYM will be in a position to get him if they want him
how things change and when the waiting game ends who knows, though more than any other year it would seem that B is unlikely.
So there's nothing the Mets can do except wait and that's probably the correct move - but if C does happen I suspect they will find a way to make it work.
Wherever that blurb is from is actually not accurate. Martino said "The Mets, per sources, had been willing to offer a five-year deal for somewhat less than $150 million. He didn't say short of 175, he said somewhat less than 150. We also don't even know the years. For all we know Toronto offered 4 years 115 vs. 5 for 145 for the Mets, so we could easily be talking about Toronto simply adding a year.
Was from the latest rumors tagged with George Springer. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/george-springer - ( New Window )
Eric, click the link they are citing word for word
"As you know, the Mets have been negotiating with Springer for much of the offseason. According to league sources, the centerfielder is seeking approximately $175 million. The Mets, per sources, had been willing to offer a five-year deal for somewhat less than $150 million." They summary does not match what Martino reported and he's what they are calling their source.
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In comment 15118740 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15118714 Eric on Li said:
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The former Astro wants a deal in the $175MM range, but the Mets have been short of that at around five years and $150MM, according to Martino. The Blue Jays, who have also been in on Springer, are in the five-year, $115MM range, Martino relays.
So either:
a) TOR will up their offer considerably
b) a mystery team will come up with a big offer
c) the NYM will be in a position to get him if they want him
how things change and when the waiting game ends who knows, though more than any other year it would seem that B is unlikely.
So there's nothing the Mets can do except wait and that's probably the correct move - but if C does happen I suspect they will find a way to make it work.
Wherever that blurb is from is actually not accurate. Martino said "The Mets, per sources, had been willing to offer a five-year deal for somewhat less than $150 million. He didn't say short of 175, he said somewhat less than 150. We also don't even know the years. For all we know Toronto offered 4 years 115 vs. 5 for 145 for the Mets, so we could easily be talking about Toronto simply adding a year.
Was from the latest rumors tagged with George Springer. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/george-springer - ( New Window )
Eric, click the link they are citing word for word
"As you know, the Mets have been negotiating with Springer for much of the offseason. According to league sources, the centerfielder is seeking approximately $175 million. The Mets, per sources, had been willing to offer a five-year deal for somewhat less than $150 million." They summary does not match what Martino reported and he's what they are calling their source.
Is there a difference between:
"a 5 year deal for somewhat less than 150m" (Martino)
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"around 5 years $150m" (MLBTR blurb)
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-Tim Britton with a great piece in the Athletic talking about what Lindor’s deal might look like. He said it could be anywhere from 8 years 35 per to something like 11 for 30 per of the Mets care about the lux tax as Sandy suggested they do (as they should as repeat offenders have big penalties in terms of the current CBA)
Let me flip the question on you, what did I say that you disagree with?
My point was simply that the essence of what Martino reported was that the Mets had the high offer - and my inference is that Springer could circle back to the Mets if that remains the case. Martino sort of implied as much so not really a huge leap.
To answer your question I don't think that opinion runs contrary to anything you said about TOR spending power but the reported fact is that for whatever reason their offer to Springer had been lower. Obviously they can increase it but for whatever reason to the point each side was making Springer offers previously they didn't.
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That is a strawman - where did I say say "they can't/won't sign him"? Toronto increasing their offer was literally the first possible scenario I listed because it is certainly possible that they do so.
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The former Astro wants a deal in the $175MM range, but the Mets have been short of that at around five years and $150MM, according to Martino. The Blue Jays, who have also been in on Springer, are in the five-year, $115MM range, Martino relays.
So either:
a) TOR will up their offer considerably
b) a mystery team will come up with a big offer
c) the NYM will be in a position to get him if they want him
how things change and when the waiting game ends who knows, though more than any other year it would seem that B is unlikely.
So there's nothing the Mets can do except wait and that's probably the correct move - but if C does happen I suspect they will find a way to make it work.
That woman seems like she has some mental health issues.
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Essentially called that weirdo Laura Goldman a fraud claiming she was friends with him. She also claimed she was close with Ghislaine Maxwell. What an oddball
That woman seems like she has some mental health issues.
She did an odd pivot baiting Cohen claiming he was active on Parler (I’m not making this political just stating a fact) and then calling him out for not answering her questions regarding harassment at his company (there is a well known lawsuit against his company not Cohen personally). I guess she gave up pretending they were pals
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Source: The #Braves are more focused on adding a left fielder than a third baseman. The team expects Austin Riley to begin the 2021 season at third base. @MLB
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Nick
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2017-2020 Springer ranks 6th among OF in fWAR, Conforto is 8th. Conforto much younger/in prime whereas you’re paying Springer for his age 31-35 seasons. Don’t think it’s at all crazy to say Conforto significantly outperforms Springer over the next 5-6 years.
Can the Mets start the season ? I’m so pumped
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As a former NY resident, I know plenty of Mets fans. "So pumped" is putting it mildly. We still don't know how Cohen is going to do long-term as an owner but this is a pretty solid win to bank
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This Mets team is gonna be a ton of fun. I already thought they were more fun than their record, and Lindor is just the best
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Nick
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2017-2020 Springer ranks 6th among OF in fWAR, Conforto is 8th. Conforto much younger/in prime whereas you’re paying Springer for his age 31-35 seasons. Don’t think it’s at all crazy to say Conforto significantly outperforms Springer over the next 5-6 years.
The only thing that will cost us Conforto is Conforto/Boras. But time will tell on that I guess.
I do kind of doubt they resign both Conforto and Nimmo. That would just be a ton of money in the corners. So if they get a bad read on negotiations with Conforto this offseason maybe they approach Nimmo about extending 2 years early? I think it would certainly motivate them to think real hard about locking down Springer.
Wonder how 'close to $138, I mean $150mm they offered Springer? Do you really break the face of the franchise, for someone that won't be? Even DeGrom recognized that.
Agreed - and I still think he will extend here. he has always been positive about being a NYM, etc. But if he plays hardball this offseason I think the door opens for a divergence if...
a) Springer circles back
b) Nimmo is open to extend at a reasonable figure
if you aren't confident Conforto is extending but those other 2 things are on the table, isn't that the kind of multi-year consideration they've been talking about?
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think all things being equal they would keep Conforto who had been mentioned by many as the heart and soul of the team. That being said, as you noted, Boras is the x-factor. They also don't have any CO prospects in the system. Just using MLB.com's list the Mets top CO prospect is Freddy Valdez... he of the 3 career games in the US.
Agreed - and I still think he will extend here. he has always been positive about being a NYM, etc. But if he plays hardball this offseason I think the door opens for a divergence if...
a) Springer circles back
b) Nimmo is open to extend at a reasonable figure
if you aren't confident Conforto is extending but those other 2 things are on the table, isn't that the kind of multi-year consideration they've been talking about?
This is a new era of Mets baseball where lux tax and year to year "spending too much on too few players" like the Yankees have come up against are going to be the reality, and deferred money will be a discussion vs. backloading (which helps a cheap owner but not a rich owner trying to stay under the lux tax).
Completely unrelated but somehow JBJ and JDD posted near identical sprint speeds in 2020. SOme guys just make it work I guess?
If you have to pick and choose where to spend $ the places to pick are premium positions. They aggressively targeted a C and obviously are now going to spend big on SS (even though they already had a few cheap ones and didn't need to). There are at least a dozen comparable COF'ers to Nimmo/Conforto. There are at best a handful of Springers.
Conforto is on the cusp of getting paid, Nimmo is not far behind, CF is going to require some level of resource investment depending on how Nimmo's defense is evaluated. Odds are the NYM starting OF is making close to $50m in AAV by next season with or without Springer. The only question is whether that money is mostly in CF or in the corners? Unless someone goes really big for Springer I think I'd lock down the premium position now and accept that 1 of Nimmo/Conforto will probably end up walking.
other than TOR and NYM at the top it seems like nobody has an appetite to spend big. Maybe a bunch of moves will materialize quickly at the end like Machado and Harper, or maybe a bunch of guys will be left taking 1 year deals. I don't think I'd be shocked in either direction but I do suspect there will be a high volume of 1 year bargains when it's all said and done.
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amazing is the near-complete lack of silence on Realmuto, who some (not myself personally) felt was the #1 FA. I understand it's an extremely quiet market but we do have Springer, Bauer, DJL, Odorizzi, Hendriks, Hand, Turner, JBJ etc with different levels of buzz. Realmuto... silence.
other than TOR and NYM at the top it seems like nobody has an appetite to spend big. Maybe a bunch of moves will materialize quickly at the end like Machado and Harper, or maybe a bunch of guys will be left taking 1 year deals. I don't think I'd be shocked in either direction but I do suspect there will be a high volume of 1 year bargains when it's all said and done.
I don't disagree with you but there has been SOME buzz on the players I named (and a few others) Realmuto outside of possibly the Phillies maybe making him an offer it's been near silence. Even Bauer and his huge ask is being discussed. Realmuto will get paid, it's just amazing this late it's been radio silence.
@JoePantorno
While we're still unsure of when the 2021 #MLB season will start, a source just informed me that an American League team is preparing for an Opening Day near Memorial Day with the hope that enough time would be afforded for players/coaches/staff to receive the COVID-19 vaccine.
Memorial Day is May 31st. If that happened, we'd likely only be 2-3 weeks into the season before we saw Syndergaard.
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amazing is the near-complete lack of silence on Realmuto, who some (not myself personally) felt was the #1 FA. I understand it's an extremely quiet market but we do have Springer, Bauer, DJL, Odorizzi, Hendriks, Hand, Turner, JBJ etc with different levels of buzz. Realmuto... silence.
other than TOR and NYM at the top it seems like nobody has an appetite to spend big. Maybe a bunch of moves will materialize quickly at the end like Machado and Harper, or maybe a bunch of guys will be left taking 1 year deals. I don't think I'd be shocked in either direction but I do suspect there will be a high volume of 1 year bargains when it's all said and done.
I don't disagree with you but there has been SOME buzz on the players I named (and a few others) Realmuto outside of possibly the Phillies maybe making him an offer it's been near silence. Even Bauer and his huge ask is being discussed. Realmuto will get paid, it's just amazing this late it's been radio silence.
The buzz seems to be around the players who are perceived values in the 2nd tier. Odorizzi seems the consensus cheaper alternative SP. DJL is presumably going to be cheaper than Springer among the top position players. The RP's are always cheaper than other positions. Teams definitely appear to be value hunting vs. luxury shopping.
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Francisco Lindor was officially introduced as a Met on Monday. Now long can the relationship last?
If offered an extension, Lindor could potentially secure an AAV between Nolan Arenado's $32.5 million and Mike Trout's $35.5 million
@TheAthleticMLB
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Francisco Lindor was officially introduced as a Met on Monday. Now long can the relationship last?
If offered an extension, Lindor could potentially secure an AAV between Nolan Arenado's $32.5 million and Mike Trout's $35.5 million
I'd do 33mx9 (10 year total deal counting this year). That's 297m.
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Per source, Hendriks will earn $39 million during the first three years (2021-23) of his deal. The 2024 option is worth $15 million - as is the buyout, which would be paid out over a designated period of time if Chicago declines the option. Guarantee is $54 million either way.
But Brad Hand wasn't worth $10m for 1 year!?!?!?!?!
why would the White Sox agree to that?
Either the team decides to pay him $15M not to pitch for them via buyout (highly unlikely) or the player decides to stay for $15M via player option.
I don't think I've ever seen an option and buyout for the same (exorbitant) amount.
is this unique?
why would the White Sox agree to that?
Either the team decides to pay him $15M not to pitch for them via buyout (highly unlikely) or the player decides to stay for $15M via player option.
I don't think I've ever seen an option and buyout for the same (exorbitant) amount.
is this unique?
Never heard of anything like it before. I'd guess it's deferred over a bunch of years (the buyout) but still crazy.
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Per source, Hendriks will earn $39 million during the first three years (2021-23) of his deal. The 2024 option is worth $15 million - as is the buyout, which would be paid out over a designated period of time if Chicago declines the option. Guarantee is $54 million either way.
But Brad Hand wasn't worth $10m for 1 year!?!?!?!?!
The Hand stuff makes me believe the league over compensated for what they thought was coming because while we’ve gone back and forth and I’ve made clear I much preferred Hendriks the price (or what could have been the price) for Hand vs Hendriks is striking. Still love it for the white Sox aka the Cohen haters