Jon Morosi
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would LOVE Springer but not if he's going to cost us Conforto.
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2017-2020 Springer ranks 6th among OF in fWAR, Conforto is 8th. Conforto much younger/in prime whereas you’re paying Springer for his age 31-35 seasons. Don’t think it’s at all crazy to say Conforto significantly outperforms Springer over the next 5-6 years.
Can the Mets start the season ? I’m so pumped
Ben Clemens
2:01
As a former NY resident, I know plenty of Mets fans. "So pumped" is putting it mildly. We still don't know how Cohen is going to do long-term as an owner but this is a pretty solid win to bank
2:02
This Mets team is gonna be a ton of fun. I already thought they were more fun than their record, and Lindor is just the best
would LOVE Springer but not if he's going to cost us Conforto.
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2017-2020 Springer ranks 6th among OF in fWAR, Conforto is 8th. Conforto much younger/in prime whereas you’re paying Springer for his age 31-35 seasons. Don’t think it’s at all crazy to say Conforto significantly outperforms Springer over the next 5-6 years.
The only thing that will cost us Conforto is Conforto/Boras. But time will tell on that I guess.
I do kind of doubt they resign both Conforto and Nimmo. That would just be a ton of money in the corners. So if they get a bad read on negotiations with Conforto this offseason maybe they approach Nimmo about extending 2 years early? I think it would certainly motivate them to think real hard about locking down Springer.
he is not an ace, and lots of baggage comes along for the ride.
Wonder how 'close to $138, I mean $150mm they offered Springer? Do you really break the face of the franchise, for someone that won't be? Even DeGrom recognized that.
think all things being equal they would keep Conforto who had been mentioned by many as the heart and soul of the team. That being said, as you noted, Boras is the x-factor. They also don't have any CO prospects in the system. Just using MLB.com's list the Mets top CO prospect is Freddy Valdez... he of the 3 career games in the US.
think all things being equal they would keep Conforto who had been mentioned by many as the heart and soul of the team. That being said, as you noted, Boras is the x-factor. They also don't have any CO prospects in the system. Just using MLB.com's list the Mets top CO prospect is Freddy Valdez... he of the 3 career games in the US.
Agreed - and I still think he will extend here. he has always been positive about being a NYM, etc. But if he plays hardball this offseason I think the door opens for a divergence if...
a) Springer circles back
b) Nimmo is open to extend at a reasonable figure
if you aren't confident Conforto is extending but those other 2 things are on the table, isn't that the kind of multi-year consideration they've been talking about?
think all things being equal they would keep Conforto who had been mentioned by many as the heart and soul of the team. That being said, as you noted, Boras is the x-factor. They also don't have any CO prospects in the system. Just using MLB.com's list the Mets top CO prospect is Freddy Valdez... he of the 3 career games in the US.
Agreed - and I still think he will extend here. he has always been positive about being a NYM, etc. But if he plays hardball this offseason I think the door opens for a divergence if...
a) Springer circles back
b) Nimmo is open to extend at a reasonable figure
if you aren't confident Conforto is extending but those other 2 things are on the table, isn't that the kind of multi-year consideration they've been talking about?
This is a new era of Mets baseball where lux tax and year to year "spending too much on too few players" like the Yankees have come up against are going to be the reality, and deferred money will be a discussion vs. backloading (which helps a cheap owner but not a rich owner trying to stay under the lux tax).
Completely unrelated but somehow JBJ and JDD posted near identical sprint speeds in 2020. SOme guys just make it work I guess?
Completely agree that's why when push comes to shove I think Springer
ends up here unless another team blows him out of the water (which may happen, so my statement is by no means a given).
If you have to pick and choose where to spend $ the places to pick are premium positions. They aggressively targeted a C and obviously are now going to spend big on SS (even though they already had a few cheap ones and didn't need to). There are at least a dozen comparable COF'ers to Nimmo/Conforto. There are at best a handful of Springers.
Conforto is on the cusp of getting paid, Nimmo is not far behind, CF is going to require some level of resource investment depending on how Nimmo's defense is evaluated. Odds are the NYM starting OF is making close to $50m in AAV by next season with or without Springer. The only question is whether that money is mostly in CF or in the corners? Unless someone goes really big for Springer I think I'd lock down the premium position now and accept that 1 of Nimmo/Conforto will probably end up walking.
amazing is the near-complete lack of silence on Realmuto, who some (not myself personally) felt was the #1 FA. I understand it's an extremely quiet market but we do have Springer, Bauer, DJL, Odorizzi, Hendriks, Hand, Turner, JBJ etc with different levels of buzz. Realmuto... silence.
amazing is the near-complete lack of silence on Realmuto, who some (not myself personally) felt was the #1 FA. I understand it's an extremely quiet market but we do have Springer, Bauer, DJL, Odorizzi, Hendriks, Hand, Turner, JBJ etc with different levels of buzz. Realmuto... silence.
other than TOR and NYM at the top it seems like nobody has an appetite to spend big. Maybe a bunch of moves will materialize quickly at the end like Machado and Harper, or maybe a bunch of guys will be left taking 1 year deals. I don't think I'd be shocked in either direction but I do suspect there will be a high volume of 1 year bargains when it's all said and done.
amazing is the near-complete lack of silence on Realmuto, who some (not myself personally) felt was the #1 FA. I understand it's an extremely quiet market but we do have Springer, Bauer, DJL, Odorizzi, Hendriks, Hand, Turner, JBJ etc with different levels of buzz. Realmuto... silence.
other than TOR and NYM at the top it seems like nobody has an appetite to spend big. Maybe a bunch of moves will materialize quickly at the end like Machado and Harper, or maybe a bunch of guys will be left taking 1 year deals. I don't think I'd be shocked in either direction but I do suspect there will be a high volume of 1 year bargains when it's all said and done.
I don't disagree with you but there has been SOME buzz on the players I named (and a few others) Realmuto outside of possibly the Phillies maybe making him an offer it's been near silence. Even Bauer and his huge ask is being discussed. Realmuto will get paid, it's just amazing this late it's been radio silence.
Joe Pantorno
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While we're still unsure of when the 2021 #MLB season will start, a source just informed me that an American League team is preparing for an Opening Day near Memorial Day with the hope that enough time would be afforded for players/coaches/staff to receive the COVID-19 vaccine.
Memorial Day is May 31st. If that happened, we'd likely only be 2-3 weeks into the season before we saw Syndergaard.
amazing is the near-complete lack of silence on Realmuto, who some (not myself personally) felt was the #1 FA. I understand it's an extremely quiet market but we do have Springer, Bauer, DJL, Odorizzi, Hendriks, Hand, Turner, JBJ etc with different levels of buzz. Realmuto... silence.
other than TOR and NYM at the top it seems like nobody has an appetite to spend big. Maybe a bunch of moves will materialize quickly at the end like Machado and Harper, or maybe a bunch of guys will be left taking 1 year deals. I don't think I'd be shocked in either direction but I do suspect there will be a high volume of 1 year bargains when it's all said and done.
I don't disagree with you but there has been SOME buzz on the players I named (and a few others) Realmuto outside of possibly the Phillies maybe making him an offer it's been near silence. Even Bauer and his huge ask is being discussed. Realmuto will get paid, it's just amazing this late it's been radio silence.
The buzz seems to be around the players who are perceived values in the 2nd tier. Odorizzi seems the consensus cheaper alternative SP. DJL is presumably going to be cheaper than Springer among the top position players. The RP's are always cheaper than other positions. Teams definitely appear to be value hunting vs. luxury shopping.
feel like if he gets those close to 300 he's going to want the 300. Maybe he doesn't care but to say you signed a 300 million dollar contract might mean something to him.
Mark Feinsand @Feinsand
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Per source, Hendriks will earn $39 million during the first three years (2021-23) of his deal. The 2024 option is worth $15 million - as is the buyout, which would be paid out over a designated period of time if Chicago declines the option. Guarantee is $54 million either way.
But Brad Hand wasn't worth $10m for 1 year!?!?!?!?!
Mark Feinsand @Feinsand
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Per source, Hendriks will earn $39 million during the first three years (2021-23) of his deal. The 2024 option is worth $15 million - as is the buyout, which would be paid out over a designated period of time if Chicago declines the option. Guarantee is $54 million either way.
But Brad Hand wasn't worth $10m for 1 year!?!?!?!?!
The Hand stuff makes me believe the league over compensated for what they thought was coming because while we’ve gone back and forth and I’ve made clear I much preferred Hendriks the price (or what could have been the price) for Hand vs Hendriks is striking. Still love it for the white Sox aka the Cohen haters
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Nick
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2017-2020 Springer ranks 6th among OF in fWAR, Conforto is 8th. Conforto much younger/in prime whereas you’re paying Springer for his age 31-35 seasons. Don’t think it’s at all crazy to say Conforto significantly outperforms Springer over the next 5-6 years.
Can the Mets start the season ? I’m so pumped
Ben Clemens
2:01
As a former NY resident, I know plenty of Mets fans. "So pumped" is putting it mildly. We still don't know how Cohen is going to do long-term as an owner but this is a pretty solid win to bank
2:02
This Mets team is gonna be a ton of fun. I already thought they were more fun than their record, and Lindor is just the best
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Nick
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2017-2020 Springer ranks 6th among OF in fWAR, Conforto is 8th. Conforto much younger/in prime whereas you’re paying Springer for his age 31-35 seasons. Don’t think it’s at all crazy to say Conforto significantly outperforms Springer over the next 5-6 years.
The only thing that will cost us Conforto is Conforto/Boras. But time will tell on that I guess.
I do kind of doubt they resign both Conforto and Nimmo. That would just be a ton of money in the corners. So if they get a bad read on negotiations with Conforto this offseason maybe they approach Nimmo about extending 2 years early? I think it would certainly motivate them to think real hard about locking down Springer.
Wonder how 'close to $138, I mean $150mm they offered Springer? Do you really break the face of the franchise, for someone that won't be? Even DeGrom recognized that.
Agreed - and I still think he will extend here. he has always been positive about being a NYM, etc. But if he plays hardball this offseason I think the door opens for a divergence if...
a) Springer circles back
b) Nimmo is open to extend at a reasonable figure
if you aren't confident Conforto is extending but those other 2 things are on the table, isn't that the kind of multi-year consideration they've been talking about?
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think all things being equal they would keep Conforto who had been mentioned by many as the heart and soul of the team. That being said, as you noted, Boras is the x-factor. They also don't have any CO prospects in the system. Just using MLB.com's list the Mets top CO prospect is Freddy Valdez... he of the 3 career games in the US.
Agreed - and I still think he will extend here. he has always been positive about being a NYM, etc. But if he plays hardball this offseason I think the door opens for a divergence if...
a) Springer circles back
b) Nimmo is open to extend at a reasonable figure
if you aren't confident Conforto is extending but those other 2 things are on the table, isn't that the kind of multi-year consideration they've been talking about?
This is a new era of Mets baseball where lux tax and year to year "spending too much on too few players" like the Yankees have come up against are going to be the reality, and deferred money will be a discussion vs. backloading (which helps a cheap owner but not a rich owner trying to stay under the lux tax).
Completely unrelated but somehow JBJ and JDD posted near identical sprint speeds in 2020. SOme guys just make it work I guess?
If you have to pick and choose where to spend $ the places to pick are premium positions. They aggressively targeted a C and obviously are now going to spend big on SS (even though they already had a few cheap ones and didn't need to). There are at least a dozen comparable COF'ers to Nimmo/Conforto. There are at best a handful of Springers.
Conforto is on the cusp of getting paid, Nimmo is not far behind, CF is going to require some level of resource investment depending on how Nimmo's defense is evaluated. Odds are the NYM starting OF is making close to $50m in AAV by next season with or without Springer. The only question is whether that money is mostly in CF or in the corners? Unless someone goes really big for Springer I think I'd lock down the premium position now and accept that 1 of Nimmo/Conforto will probably end up walking.
other than TOR and NYM at the top it seems like nobody has an appetite to spend big. Maybe a bunch of moves will materialize quickly at the end like Machado and Harper, or maybe a bunch of guys will be left taking 1 year deals. I don't think I'd be shocked in either direction but I do suspect there will be a high volume of 1 year bargains when it's all said and done.
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amazing is the near-complete lack of silence on Realmuto, who some (not myself personally) felt was the #1 FA. I understand it's an extremely quiet market but we do have Springer, Bauer, DJL, Odorizzi, Hendriks, Hand, Turner, JBJ etc with different levels of buzz. Realmuto... silence.
other than TOR and NYM at the top it seems like nobody has an appetite to spend big. Maybe a bunch of moves will materialize quickly at the end like Machado and Harper, or maybe a bunch of guys will be left taking 1 year deals. I don't think I'd be shocked in either direction but I do suspect there will be a high volume of 1 year bargains when it's all said and done.
I don't disagree with you but there has been SOME buzz on the players I named (and a few others) Realmuto outside of possibly the Phillies maybe making him an offer it's been near silence. Even Bauer and his huge ask is being discussed. Realmuto will get paid, it's just amazing this late it's been radio silence.
@JoePantorno
While we're still unsure of when the 2021 #MLB season will start, a source just informed me that an American League team is preparing for an Opening Day near Memorial Day with the hope that enough time would be afforded for players/coaches/staff to receive the COVID-19 vaccine.
Memorial Day is May 31st. If that happened, we'd likely only be 2-3 weeks into the season before we saw Syndergaard.
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amazing is the near-complete lack of silence on Realmuto, who some (not myself personally) felt was the #1 FA. I understand it's an extremely quiet market but we do have Springer, Bauer, DJL, Odorizzi, Hendriks, Hand, Turner, JBJ etc with different levels of buzz. Realmuto... silence.
other than TOR and NYM at the top it seems like nobody has an appetite to spend big. Maybe a bunch of moves will materialize quickly at the end like Machado and Harper, or maybe a bunch of guys will be left taking 1 year deals. I don't think I'd be shocked in either direction but I do suspect there will be a high volume of 1 year bargains when it's all said and done.
I don't disagree with you but there has been SOME buzz on the players I named (and a few others) Realmuto outside of possibly the Phillies maybe making him an offer it's been near silence. Even Bauer and his huge ask is being discussed. Realmuto will get paid, it's just amazing this late it's been radio silence.
The buzz seems to be around the players who are perceived values in the 2nd tier. Odorizzi seems the consensus cheaper alternative SP. DJL is presumably going to be cheaper than Springer among the top position players. The RP's are always cheaper than other positions. Teams definitely appear to be value hunting vs. luxury shopping.
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Francisco Lindor was officially introduced as a Met on Monday. Now long can the relationship last?
If offered an extension, Lindor could potentially secure an AAV between Nolan Arenado's $32.5 million and Mike Trout's $35.5 million
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Francisco Lindor was officially introduced as a Met on Monday. Now long can the relationship last?
If offered an extension, Lindor could potentially secure an AAV between Nolan Arenado's $32.5 million and Mike Trout's $35.5 million
I'd do 33mx9 (10 year total deal counting this year). That's 297m.
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Per source, Hendriks will earn $39 million during the first three years (2021-23) of his deal. The 2024 option is worth $15 million - as is the buyout, which would be paid out over a designated period of time if Chicago declines the option. Guarantee is $54 million either way.
But Brad Hand wasn't worth $10m for 1 year!?!?!?!?!
why would the White Sox agree to that?
Either the team decides to pay him $15M not to pitch for them via buyout (highly unlikely) or the player decides to stay for $15M via player option.
I don't think I've ever seen an option and buyout for the same (exorbitant) amount.
is this unique?
why would the White Sox agree to that?
Either the team decides to pay him $15M not to pitch for them via buyout (highly unlikely) or the player decides to stay for $15M via player option.
I don't think I've ever seen an option and buyout for the same (exorbitant) amount.
is this unique?
Never heard of anything like it before. I'd guess it's deferred over a bunch of years (the buyout) but still crazy.
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Mark Feinsand @Feinsand
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Per source, Hendriks will earn $39 million during the first three years (2021-23) of his deal. The 2024 option is worth $15 million - as is the buyout, which would be paid out over a designated period of time if Chicago declines the option. Guarantee is $54 million either way.
But Brad Hand wasn't worth $10m for 1 year!?!?!?!?!
The Hand stuff makes me believe the league over compensated for what they thought was coming because while we’ve gone back and forth and I’ve made clear I much preferred Hendriks the price (or what could have been the price) for Hand vs Hendriks is striking. Still love it for the white Sox aka the Cohen haters