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This is going to be a fun offseason to watch the QB carousel

Spider56 : 1/11/2021 9:27 am
spin around the league with major question marks for a lot of teams ... how many QBs will go in the first round?

Patriots ... Cam is done
Jests ... Do they keep Darnold
Steelers ... Ben is done
Jags... New home for the Golden boy
Colts ... Rivers is done, Do they keep Brissett
Raiders and Broncos... you never know with these guys
Cowboys ... How much will Dak want
Eagles ... Did Sudfeld show enough to be their starter (joke)
Skins ... Smith should be done ... Is Heinicke the answer
Vikings, Bears, Lions ... all question marks
Saints ... Brees is done, Hill is not a starter
Panthers ... Teddy B struggled the 2nd half of the year
Falcons ... Matty is another year older
Bucs ... Does Brady come back
49ers ... Another year of Jimmy G and Mullens
Rams ... May depend on next week

An aside,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/11/2021 9:29 am : link
were the 68 passes thrown by Ben, a record? I would think a playoff record, no?
Add to that the Giants need for a quality #2  
Tom in NY : 1/11/2021 9:51 am : link
McCoy ain't it!

The Giants need to find someone like Mariota or Brissett to be able to win a game if Jones gets dinged up.
RE: An aside,  
jvm52106 : 1/11/2021 9:52 am : link
In comment 15118327 Big Blue '56 said:
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were the 68 passes thrown by Ben, a record? I would think a playoff record, no?


Yes, it broke the old record of 65 by Steve Young.
Stafford..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2021 9:53 am : link
is almost certainly done in Detroit
Wow. Hadn't thought about all these QB issues. Gonna make for an  
Blue21 : 1/11/2021 10:03 am : link
interesting off season and 2021 season.
RE: Stafford..  
Dr. D : 1/11/2021 10:05 am : link
In comment 15118374 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is almost certainly done in Detroit

He missed the 2nd half of '19 due to a fracture in his back AND a hip injury. He's not super old for a QB, but those are pretty serious, it seems to me.

I was surprised they didn't draft a QB in '20 (Tua or Herbert?). But they are Detroit.
Agree there will be a lot of moving parts with the QBs  
LBH15 : 1/11/2021 10:08 am : link
Anybody the Giants should show some interest in as an insurance policy against Jones not showing enough development in year 3?
While you have a couple of 'stretches' on that list  
Dinger : 1/11/2021 10:08 am : link
Its the NFL and you never know. You could add:

Bears: Trubisky is gone is Foles the answer?
Tennessee: does moving on from Tannehill get them to the next level.
Houston: Watson Wants OUT!
Washington: to add, they also have Allen.
Detroit: moving on from Stafford?
Vikes: Foles is hit or miss and mostly miss
Green Bay: do they trade last years 1st rounder Jordan love?

Stretches as well but you are right, gonna be an interesting.
Stafford, McCoy  
lugnut : 1/11/2021 10:13 am : link
Stafford is going nowhere.

Why isn't McCoy good enough for our #2? Didn't we beat SEA w/ him?
Will the league wide need for QBs  
KeoweeFan : 1/11/2021 10:14 am : link
push good players at other positions down to 11 and further?
Watson  
jestersdead : 1/11/2021 10:18 am : link
I'm holding out hope that the Giants can somehow trade for Watson.
I think Stafford is going somewhere  
BillT : 1/11/2021 10:29 am : link
He’s going to be 33, can still play and is a FA in 2 years. The Lions are in a complete rebuild and are years away from being competitive and he’d be worth at least a #1 pick to say a SF.
RE: Stafford, McCoy  
ATL_Giants : 1/11/2021 10:33 am : link
In comment 15118404 lugnut said:
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Stafford is going nowhere.

Why isn't McCoy good enough for our #2? Didn't we beat SEA w/ him?
I'm not sure McCoy has the arm for it anymore.
He can make good decisions and avoid mistakes, but I've confidence he can fit it into tight windows, or threaten with the downfield pass.
Detgroit's..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2021 10:33 am : link
owner has basically said the new coach will make the decision on Stafford. I'm not sure you'll see the new coach want that one-year rental - but it is possible to keep him around as a draftee gets acclimated.

I still think Stafford is gone.
RE: RE: Stafford, McCoy  
ATL_Giants : 1/11/2021 10:34 am : link
In comment 15118447 ATL_Giants said:
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but I've confidence

"no" confidence that is.
Stafford  
ryanmkeane : 1/11/2021 10:34 am : link
should be gone. The Lions won't be going anywhere until they start over.
Don't forget about Denver  
Captplanet : 1/11/2021 10:36 am : link
New GM has no reason to keep Lock, especially with the crop of QB's in this year's draft
I think if Bucs win the SB  
ryanmkeane : 1/11/2021 10:36 am : link
Brady will retire, but if not....there's no reason he shouldn't come back. He's still really good.
RE: Watson  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/11/2021 10:48 am : link
In comment 15118414 jestersdead said:
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I'm holding out hope that the Giants can somehow trade for Watson.


+1
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26.2 : 1/11/2021 10:48 am : link
Regarding WSH and Heinicke - last Sat nights game vs. the Bucs will be the best NFL game he's every played. The dude is not built for a full season of starting QB minutes. Every other time he's gotten a chance to play, he's gotten injured. Like multiple week injuries. Every time.

As an ODU alum it was awesome to see. The dude can play, but he's just too small and fragile.
RE: Agree there will be a lot of moving parts with the QBs  
Spider56 : 1/11/2021 10:51 am : link
In comment 15118393 LBH15 said:
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Anybody the Giants should show some interest in as an insurance policy against Jones not showing enough development in year 3?


I saw a mock that suggested Kellen Mond from the Aggies in the 6th... not so much as a competitor to Jones but as a complementary backup who can run and throw and go with same offense.. the logic is the game plan can stay the same if DJ goes down vs the pocket guy McCoy.
Is Ben done?  
GiantBlue : 1/11/2021 10:53 am : link
He threw for over 500 yards last night and while he did have a rough start....I had feelings all through that second and third quarters that he was going to lead them back to a win.

Granted, two of Cleveland's top CB's were out, but he was hitting guys all over the field.

I think he is back in black and gold next year raring to go again. Just a feeling.
Ben ..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2021 10:54 am : link
was also hitting Browns all over the field as well. Both their hands at the LOS and the arms of their DB's.
RE: Is Ben done?  
Spider56 : 1/11/2021 10:56 am : link
In comment 15118488 GiantBlue said:
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He threw for over 500 yards last night and while he did have a rough start....I had feelings all through that second and third quarters that he was going to lead them back to a win.

Granted, two of Cleveland's top CB's were out, but he was hitting guys all over the field.

I think he is back in black and gold next year raring to go again. Just a feeling.


It’s possible bc the dude is resilient but also more fragile. At the very least they need a plan b as Mason Rudolph hasn’t shown to be the answer
On Watson.....  
GiantBlue : 1/11/2021 10:57 am : link
Deshaun Watson and a good FA or draft of WR's and he would be a star in NY!

I like Danny....but Deshaun brings a new level....Get him if you can!
I really hope Stafford gets a chance  
bigbluehoya : 1/11/2021 10:59 am : link
to play elsewhere. IMO, one of the most underrated QBs of my lifetime.

Guy has put up some really insane numbers in a perpetually dysfunctional org.
RE: Stafford..  
Capt. Don : 1/11/2021 11:01 am : link
In comment 15118374 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is almost certainly done in Detroit


I think Stafford is one of the most underrated players in the league. I wonder what his career would look like if he played for Sean Payton or Andy Reid.

I would be excited for him to get a change of scenery.
I look at that list and think "Dak's price just went up"  
JohnB : 1/11/2021 11:04 am : link
He is a proven winner and a lot of teams needing a QB. If Dallas lets him walk, it's going to be tough for them to replace him. Just look at that list. Where is Dallas finding an answer? Maybe the draft but that's a crap shoot especially the first year or two.

Zeke, Cooper and company haven't got a few years of "QB growth" and a wait and see approach to find out if they can make it to playoffs in 2022 or 2023.

Dig deep Jerry! :)
Wow...Just saw this in the NY Post- Justin Terranova  
GiantBlue : 1/11/2021 11:06 am : link
"It is a costly decision. Roethlisberger is owed a $15 million roster bonus on March 19 and his cap hit for the season is $41.3 million. The Steelers started 11-0 this season but lost four of their final five games before Sunday night’s playoff flop."

Wow...That is a lot to consider for the Steelers.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 1/11/2021 11:07 am : link
I said this in another thread, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Miami go after Watson. Tua and a first and maybe another piece.
Add to the list (potentially)  
George : 1/11/2021 11:08 am : link
Miami (Tua hasn't convinced the Front Office that's he's the One and FitzMagic isn't a long term solution) and Cincinnati (what's Joe Burrows' status after wrecking his knee?).

The list of teams secure at the QB position is probably shorter than the opposite list.
Stafford could make someone dangerous  
Go Terps : 1/11/2021 11:13 am : link
Imagine if he, and not Goff, were starting for the Rams this weekend. That's a legit Super Bowl contender.
Stafford is a fraud  
Dnew15 : 1/11/2021 11:22 am : link
I don't know why so many on here love that guy.

He's never won anything.
Don't think there as much to the carousel as people think  
HomerJones45 : 1/11/2021 11:27 am : link
Pats . . . We don't know the degree to which Cam's throwing issues were injury related. He takes a beating with all the running he does, but unless they can find some better receivers (they may be a worse group than ours), I don't see them wasting resources on a qb either.

Jests ... Do they keep Darnold.- Yes. I think they believe his issues were more related to the weirdo HC and his Frank Gore fixation.

Steelers ... Ben is done.- Not so sure. I think he is back for another year after throwing 33 td passes against 10 picks. Steelers go nowhere without him as their running game fell apart.

Jags... New home for the Golden boy.- Problem solved there

Colts ... Rivers is done, Do they keep Brissett.- Rivers had a good year. If he doesn't retire, he will be back. Reich has already said he wants Rivers back. Brissett is a backup.

Raiders and Broncos... you never know with these guys.- Carr has put together 2 good years in a row. Their problems are on the defense and keeping Jaoobs healthy. I think Lock is back unless something falls in the Broncos lap. Everyone knew he was a project.

Cowboys ... How much will Dak want. - It doesn't matter. Jerrah will pay him

Eagles ... Did Sudfeld show enough to be their starter (joke). -If Pedersen gets canned, Wentz will be the qb. If Pedersen stays, Wentz and Hurts will battle for the starter spot.

Skins ... Smith should be done ... Is Heinicke the answer.- No, he's not. The WFT have 3 backups and no starters. They will be in the market.

Vikings, Bears, Lions ... all question marks.- Everyone hates Cousins but who are you going to find to average 30 td passes a year which is what he has averaged on the Vikes. And he's missed 1 game in 6 years. Stafford isn't going anywhere unless someone falls in the Lions' lap or they can get a king's ransom. Bears will be in the market.

Saints ... Brees is done, Hill is not a starter.- Hill is not. Winston?

Panthers ... Teddy B struggled the 2nd half of the year.- He was good the first half so the question is was the decline injury and McCaffery related Although they have or are working out our good friend Haskins.

Falcons ... Matty is another year older.- Still plays at a high level. Their problems are running game and defense related.

Bucs ... Does Brady come back.- Yes. He threw 40 td's this season. He can play until he's 50 at that rate

49ers ... Another year of Jimmy G and Mullens. -Jimmy G. Their injuries were off the charts. The one year they kept Jimmy G off IR, they were 13-3.

Rams ... May depend on next week.- Meh. Goff is like Cousins- everyone hates him until you look around at the alternatives. The Rams are 42-20 under Goff since his 0-7 rookie year. Unless someone falls in their lap, I don't see them making a move.
RE: Add to that the Giants need for a quality #2  
Ivan15 : 1/11/2021 11:39 am : link
In comment 15118371 Tom in NY said:
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McCoy ain't it!

The Giants need to find someone like Mariota or Brissett to be able to win a game if Jones gets dinged up.


McCoy may not be able to come in and win a game but he can keep the team from losing the game when they have a lead. Giants appear to be building that kind of score-first, build-a-lead team.

Do we really want to bring in someone to start a QB controversy? Give Jones one more season to establish himself. If he doesn’t, start looking at other options in his 4th season and don’t pick up his 5th year option.
RE: Don't think there as much to the carousel as people think  
BillT : 1/11/2021 11:39 am : link
In comment 15118567 HomerJones45 said:
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Cowboys ... How much will Dak want. - It doesn't matter. Jerrah will pay him


He didn't last year.
The QB Carousel and the Draft  
DavidinBMNY : 1/11/2021 11:48 am : link
This is a very interesting year. It seems more teams than normal need QB's because there are a lot of aging QBs + the guys just not working out, and injury issues.

Before seeing this post, I was curious why so many mock drafts are showing 4 or 5 QBs in the top 10.

It really makes a lot of sense. And Towards the back of the top 10 better teams, like the Steelers are within striking distance. Slight possibility Giants could be in play like the Chiefs when they came up for Mahomes. They came up a bunch of spots. Put a really good QB on a good team.
Don't forget the 49ers  
Beer Man : 1/11/2021 11:51 am : link
Also signed Rosen off of TB's practice squad towards the end of the season.
Think we see a shift  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/11/2021 12:01 pm : link
in the coming years. More veteran QB's will traded or on the market. The majority of teams would like a upgrade at QB if they are honest.

The salaries they receive make it very hard for teams if you do not draft very good consistently which is a challenge in itself but then you add injuries (career altering/ending) and it makes it even more so.

Teams where a new HC/GM come in will go towards drafting a QB and getting assets for the current QB. I am interesting to see if teams approach deals for Stafford/Ryan. My wildcard is Belichick making a move on one.
RE: Is Ben done?  
Big Blue '56 : 1/11/2021 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15118488 GiantBlue said:
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He threw for over 500 yards last night and while he did have a rough start....I had feelings all through that second and third quarters that he was going to lead them back to a win.

Granted, two of Cleveland's top CB's were out, but he was hitting guys all over the field.

I think he is back in black and gold next year raring to go again. Just a feeling.


Over 500 yards but threw 68 passes..
RE: Stafford could make someone dangerous  
djm : 1/11/2021 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15118531 Go Terps said:
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Imagine if he, and not Goff, were starting for the Rams this weekend. That's a legit Super Bowl contender.


Especially with that mangled thumb of his. Stafford will be starting for someone next season, you can bet on that.
Matt Stafford is 74-90-1  
Dnew15 : 1/11/2021 12:34 pm : link
all time in the NFL.

He's had plenty of weapons, including what might be the most physically dominate WR in the history of the game.

He's been a starting QB in the NFL for 12 years and has made the playoffs 3 times - all one and dones.

He underperformed at Georgia and he underperformed in the NFL.

He's a part of Detroit's problem - not a victim of it.

RE: Matt Stafford is 74-90-1  
Big Blue '56 : 1/11/2021 12:35 pm : link
In comment 15118707 Dnew15 said:
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all time in the NFL.

He's had plenty of weapons, including what might be the most physically dominate WR in the history of the game.

He's been a starting QB in the NFL for 12 years and has made the playoffs 3 times - all one and dones.

He underperformed at Georgia and he underperformed in the NFL.

He's a part of Detroit's problem - not a victim of it.


Level-headed post, imv
QB's  
stretch234 : 1/11/2021 12:38 pm : link
Stafford offers Detroit nothing at this point if they are going to again rebuild. He has a 10M roster bonus this year. I can see them moving on. He is an ideal fit for the Colts/Saints who are both good teams with good OL

Winston is going to get a chance somewhere - question is do you trust him with a good team

I don't see the Jets moving on yet - draft the T and go from there. Unless the new coach does not believe in him.

Wentz is untradable with the contract this year. He will stay for 1 more year

I hope Dallas pays Dak huge dollars - their D will continue to be a problem and their OL will continue to age poorly

Jax is picking QB at 1 and Atl at 4, Det, Den, Car pick 7-9 will be interesting

Ben can't move and they could not run the ball with him. Pouncey & DeCastro will be 32 at start of next season and Vallanueva will be 33. The problem they have is next year are they better than KC, Balt, Buf, Cle,


RE: QB's  
BillT : 1/11/2021 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15118709 stretch234 said:
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Wentz is untradable with the contract this year. He will stay for 1 more year


Actually he's uncuttable but he is tradeable.
RE: I think Stafford is going somewhere  
BillKo : 1/11/2021 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15118438 BillT said:
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He’s going to be 33, can still play and is a FA in 2 years. The Lions are in a complete rebuild and are years away from being competitive and he’d be worth at least a #1 pick to say a SF.


For the life of me, I'll never figure this guy out.

Has all the ability, arm, can move, throw from any angle or position...smart, grounded.

I remember seeing him play versus the Saints - think it was the year we won SB in 2011-12, and they lost but he was winging it all over. I remember saying, watch out for this team.............

His career could have been so different somewhere else.
RE: RE: Agree there will be a lot of moving parts with the QBs  
PA Aggie : 1/11/2021 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15118483 Spider56 said:
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In comment 15118393 LBH15 said:


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Anybody the Giants should show some interest in as an insurance policy against Jones not showing enough development in year 3?



I saw a mock that suggested Kellen Mond from the Aggies in the 6th... not so much as a competitor to Jones but as a complementary backup who can run and throw and go with same offense.. the logic is the game plan can stay the same if DJ goes down vs the pocket guy McCoy.


As someone who has watched Kellen Mond for four straight years, I hope the Giants do not go this route. Kellen is a good athlete, not a Lamar J. In a designed run, he does well. But seeing the field at all depths is not his strength, he does not have that instinct like Johnny Football did to take off and make a nothing into something. He goes through progressions very slowly. Only this year with an improved O line did he have more time and did better. If DJ fumbles make you crazy, Kellen will send you to the ER. A deep ball? Forget it. And his accuracy is marginal. He doesn't have loads of interceptions, because he overthrows everyone frequently. He is a decent game manager, but he is very inconsistent game to game. The team as a whole, pulled out some great wins, but Kellen can also turn in a 40% completion rate with a few fumbles. Am I critical? Yes, we all are when it comes to our sports teams. I wish him luck, he seems like he is a good guy. But to excel where a qb needs to, and to put the team on his back, I do not believe he is anywhere close to that guy, even as a backup.
RE: I think Stafford is going somewhere  
OC2.0 : 1/11/2021 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15118438 BillT said:
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He’s going to be 33, can still play and is a FA in 2 years. The Lions are in a complete rebuild and are years away from being competitive and he’d be worth at least a #1 pick to say a SF.

Indy as well. They can win now with Stafford.
RE: Stafford is a fraud  
Racer : 1/11/2021 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15118555 Dnew15 said:
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I don't know why so many on here love that guy.

He's never won anything.


The last 5 seasons, the Lions were trailing on 65% of his pass attempts. In Calvin's near 2,000y season in 2012 it was 123 attempts leading, 454 attempts while trailing, that's 79%.

Not sure he's entirely to blame for DET's lack of success.

I wouldn't call it 'love' but I know what I see on Sundays.
RE: Wow...Just saw this in the NY Post- Justin Terranova  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/11/2021 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15118518 GiantBlue said:
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"It is a costly decision. Roethlisberger is owed a $15 million roster bonus on March 19 and his cap hit for the season is $41.3 million. The Steelers started 11-0 this season but lost four of their final five games before Sunday night’s playoff flop."

Wow...That is a lot to consider for the Steelers.


Its 22 million to cut him and 19 million saved. They certainly can find better QB play for 20 million. But 22 million dead cap is a ton. Teams don’t win when they have a lot of dead cap. Combine that with the guys they have leaving with little depth . Might target them for unders on season long wins if it’s 8.5 above.
Matt Stafford  
LBH15 : 1/11/2021 5:34 pm : link
is an interesting guy that just might be out there.

In a lengthy list of guys that doesn't take very long to come up with a reason why you would pass on them, I don't have those same thoughts on Stafford.

I think he has plenty of game and plenty in the tank.

RE: Matt Stafford is 74-90-1  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/11/2021 5:38 pm : link
In comment 15118707 Dnew15 said:
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all time in the NFL.

He's had plenty of weapons, including what might be the most physically dominate WR in the history of the game.

He's been a starting QB in the NFL for 12 years and has made the playoffs 3 times - all one and dones.

He underperformed at Georgia and he underperformed in the NFL.

He's a part of Detroit's problem - not a victim of it.


Stafford is a very good QB and a warrior and leader to boot. It’s a travesty what Detroit has done around him. Just another good example of the QB getting way too much blame/credit. That being said the Lions would probably be best off letting him go and blowing it up. May take less to go for a SB with Pats and he seems like the type willing to do so. WFT will certainly be calling and they have cap room.
Keep an eye on Skins  
Sammo85 : 1/11/2021 6:56 pm : link
for Stafford. I don’t see Rivera going the young QB route. He’s a guy who wants to try and win in the next 3-4 years.

Ben is done even if he comes back for one more year. People need to stop throwing out how many yards he threw for as if that’s an indicator of good play. They were playing street ball after the 1st quarter with nothing to lose and he still missed guys and looked drained. His knees and body are shot and no way he can hold up another long season next year. The Steelers line and running backs have declined due to so much investment on defense which was the sore spot a few years ago.

I could see the Steelers try to go for another veteran QB and draft a young one again at same time.
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