Lamar Jackson — can someone explain to me why so many ....

was an enormous play in the game.

There's no question Jackson misses throws, and he's never going to be mistaken for Drew Brees. But the passing stats bear out his quality - 68/18, 7.5 YPA, and especially the 7.2% TDs. Mahomes by comparison is at 6.8% TDs. Jackson is enormously productive as a passer...he doesn't need a lot of passes to produce points.

What UConn said above about cluster drafting QBs is interesting. Obviously the mobility is crucial for Jackson...once that goes, he isn't the same. So if Baltimore is going to pay him, their absolute top priority has to be maintaining his mobility. How do they do that?

Reduce his workload. Prioritize acquiring quality mobile backups and use them to spell Jackson in blowouts, or possibly even entire games against weaker opponents.

This offense is different from what the NFL has been doing. It stands to reason the roster should be constructed differently as well.

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Jackson is good at what he does, it’s just a style that hasn’t won and won’t win unless it’s the defense driving the success.

Jackson is 30-7 as a starter and his team scores 30 PPG with him. And the defense wins games?

But you wouldn't trade Jones for Jackson, so...

He's a terrific QB.

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Jackson really is an unusual player. Sometimes throws like Uncle Rico, but going back to college, just absurd production both in the air and on the ground. This weeks game will give us additional info as an underdog v. a solid Bills D — and will continue to frame just who he is.

One follow up: on the issue of injury risk, is there any actual correlation between running QBs and injuries? Off the top of my head, can’t really think of one. Tons of pocket QBs get blown up too (maybe because they can’t see it coming/brace themselves) — see Joe Burrow as a recent example. And plenty of running QBs have long relatively healthy careers — see Steve Young, Cunningham, Steve McNair etc.

I just don't think he can have a 7-10 year career as an option QB in the NFL. He definitely benefited from being coached by Bobby P. Roman has learned to really utilize him. I just don't think it's sustainable physically.

In comment 15119089 Jim from Katonah said:

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Jackson really is an unusual player. Sometimes throws like Uncle Rico, but going back to college, just absurd production both in the air and on the ground. This weeks game will give us additional info as an underdog v. a solid Bills D — and will continue to frame just who he is. One follow up: on the issue of injury risk, is there any actual correlation between running QBs and injuries? Off the top of my head, can’t really think of one. Tons of pocket QBs get blown up too (maybe because they can’t see it coming/brace themselves) — see Joe Burrow as a recent example. And plenty of running QBs have long relatively healthy careers — see Steve Young, Cunningham, Steve McNair etc.

RG III

and Cam Newton to the list as well. Lamar Jackson is so damn quick though, he seems to avoid getting hit much (at least from what I've watched)

mobile QB's to get injured. I don't know I would classify McNair as a running QB, certainly not for the 2nd half of his career, but he missed 48 games in his career.

After he became a full time starter, Steve Young missed 38 games

Wentz has missed 10 games

RGIII had his career altered

Darnold has already missed 10 games, and hasn't gotten through any year unhurt

It isn't that the QB's are getting severe injuries, but they are getting dinged to where they miss games along the way.

In comment 15119100 KDavies said:

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and Cam Newton to the list as well. Lamar Jackson is so damn quick though, he seems to avoid getting hit much (at least from what I've watched)

Vick.

I believe Jackson has missed 2 starts:

2019: Week 17, rested after clinching top seed
2020: Week 12, COVID

been really durable - and even then, he's missed 20 games. But he didn't miss a game over 5 different seasons.

It hits different QB's differently.
Dak has been really dependable and then he missed 11 games this season.
Rodgers has been unscathed in 8 seasons and has missed 18 games concentrated in just a couple seasons

Compare that to the Mannings. Peyton went 16 different seasons not missing a game. Eli went 13 years. Matt Ryan has played 12 full years without injury. Tom Brady missed a season (much like Peyton did), but has played 17 different years not missing a game.

has the worst arm talent of any QB to ever play the game.
It's only right to question his passing ability. - ( New Window )

In comment 15119118 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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been really durable - and even then, he's missed 20 games. But he didn't miss a game over 5 different seasons. It hits different QB's differently. Dak has been really dependable and then he missed 11 games this season. Rodgers has been unscathed in 8 seasons and has missed 18 games concentrated in just a couple seasons Compare that to the Mannings. Peyton went 16 different seasons not missing a game. Eli went 13 years. Matt Ryan has played 12 full years without injury. Tom Brady missed a season (much like Peyton did), but has played 17 different years not missing a game.

Cam was all together different...he ran like a battering ram and took shots in the pocket too.

Jackson does run but gets down smartly it seems. He has taken some shots to the legs but has sustained.

Percentages are against him (in fact all QBs), and the Ravens hope for his health. As does the NFL because he's a very exciting player.

In comment 15118863 MtDizzle said:

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some here won’t give him the credit he’s due because the color of his skin.

Are you stating this as a matter of fact, or opinion. If the latter you should be more careful in the future.

Throwing the racist label around in such a cavalier fashion , does not forward the cause you seem to be promoting.

In comment 15119121 giantBCP said:

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has the worst arm talent of any QB to ever play the game. It's only right to question his passing ability. - ( New Window )

When the NFL changes the rules to where a QB just has to throw at targets, then yeah Baltimore should probably get another QB. In the meantime, they're still playing next weekend and a lot of teams with QBs that are better throwing at targets are not.

to get hurt but with rule changes and refs protecting QBs on the run, I think those blows are more infrequent. Also many QBs are just more savvy about it these days in how they run, slide and go OOB which has probably helped as well.

In comment 15118863 MtDizzle said:

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some here won’t give him the credit he’s due because the color of his skin.

Lol, you're an idiot. If you're going to say some people on here are racist have something to show for it. If you don't, that's just a incredibly, mind-blowingly, fucking stupid thing to say. It also makes you look like a fucking jerk-off.

In comment 15119118 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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been really durable - and even then, he's missed 20 games. But he didn't miss a game over 5 different seasons. It hits different QB's differently. Dak has been really dependable and then he missed 11 games this season. Rodgers has been unscathed in 8 seasons and has missed 18 games concentrated in just a couple seasons Compare that to the Mannings. Peyton went 16 different seasons not missing a game. Eli went 13 years. Matt Ryan has played 12 full years without injury. Tom Brady missed a season (much like Peyton did), but has played 17 different years not missing a game.

The fact that all of the best 35 yrs old plus guys are pocket guys, from Rodgers to Rivers to Brady etc, probably disproves my initial thought there was no correlation.

In comment 15119121 giantBCP said:

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has the worst arm talent of any QB to ever play the game. It's only right to question his passing ability. - ( New Window )

You've indicated being very confident in Daniel Jones, so here's a quick comp:

Jackson: 64% completions, 7.5 YPA
Jones: 62% completions, 6.6 YPA

So Jackson completes more passes, and gets more out of each pass. Oh, and Jones has thrown 4 more interceptions in 40 fewer attempts.

Jones is a better thrower, but Jackson's a better passer...and that's what matters.

Go Terps — I nearly forgot my seasonal obligatory apology for being an asshole towards you when discussing Jackson. Sorry about that one, you were right, sir.

In comment 15119149 christian said:

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Go Terps — I nearly forgot my seasonal obligatory apology for being an asshole towards you when discussing Jackson. Sorry about that one, you were right, sir.

Not necessary at all. I don't remember you saying anything unreasonable.

In comment 15119132 Go Terps said:

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In comment 15119121 giantBCP said: Quote: has the worst arm talent of any QB to ever play the game. It's only right to question his passing ability. - ( New Window ) You've indicated being very confident in Daniel Jones, so here's a quick comp: Jackson: 64% completions, 7.5 YPA Jones: 62% completions, 6.6 YPA So Jackson completes more passes, and gets more out of each pass. Oh, and Jones has thrown 4 more interceptions in 40 fewer attempts. Jones is a better thrower, but Jackson's a better passer...and that's what matters.

He has a very awkward throwing style, but it is very effective. Every week he seems to just chuck about 2 or 3 passes up, and loe and behold, it is into a tight window for a completion and he does it scrambling. Then he makes beautiful throws. Cannot be luck.
I have to agree with you.

In comment 15119121 giantBCP said:

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has the worst arm talent of any QB to ever play the game. It's only right to question his passing ability. - ( New Window )

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I can't stop laughing. You'd think this was a joke, literally.

Literally lower than just about everyone of note bar BBI's favorite Deshaun Watson.


Arm talent - ( New Window )

In comment 15119132 Go Terps said:

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In comment 15119121 giantBCP said: Quote: has the worst arm talent of any QB to ever play the game. It's only right to question his passing ability. - ( New Window ) You've indicated being very confident in Daniel Jones, so here's a quick comp: Jackson: 64% completions, 7.5 YPA Jones: 62% completions, 6.6 YPA So Jackson completes more passes, and gets more out of each pass. Oh, and Jones has thrown 4 more interceptions in 40 fewer attempts. Jones is a better thrower, but Jackson's a better passer...and that's what matters.

Also weird to see all this talk about how no one would want Jackson cause eventually injuries will build up and take their toll when our guy has already missed a handful of games.

The really effective Mobile QB's have great vision and they avoid big hits. That's important whether you're a runner or an In Pocket Mover. Eli knew how to get to the next play undamaged, generally....... less turnovers and less Crunches that way.

The really effective QB's have great vision and they avoid big hits. That's important whether you're a runner or an In Pocket Mover. Eli knew how to get to the next play undamaged, generally....... less turnovers and less Crunches that way.

In comment 15119172 Rafflee said:

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The really effective Mobile QB's have great vision and they avoid big hits. That's important whether you're a runner or an In Pocket Mover. Eli knew how to get to the next play undamaged, generally....... less turnovers and less Crunches that way.

This is another one I think differently on now. Finding a 10+ year starter is so damn rare and I think too many teams fail trying to go that route. Nothing wrong with 3-5 elite years from a QB, IMO. Whatever happens from there is what it is. If you manage the cap accordingly you become more fungible and less focused on finding the next Eli, Brady, Ben, etc.

In comment 15119165 giantBCP said:

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Literally lower than just about everyone of note bar BBI's favorite Deshaun Watson. Arm talent - ( New Window )

FWIW, I watch way too much of each Combine... ;)

And I remember LJax throwing that day. But he wasn't really ripping through it when he threw. He was pretty lackadaisical that day. So I wouldn't much stock into that number.

There was a "thing" was his mother and people freaked out thinking he was gonna be another Eli Apple..

I remember a few people who are advocating for him now having reservations about drafting him because of that reason..

In comment 15119226 GManinDC said:

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There was a "thing" was his mother and people freaked out thinking he was gonna be another Eli Apple.. I remember a few people who are advocating for him now having reservations about drafting him because of that reason..

I'm one of them. That's a legit cause for concern, but something that can be resolved in an interview, which we obviously aren't privvy to.

If he acted in the combine interview like he does in his post game, I'd have had no issues with him. Guy is a competitor and a gamer.

In comment 15118657 Greg from LI said:

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The Giants with Montana in '86 and '90, the Niners with Marino in '84, the Patriots repeatedly with Peyton Manning, the Giants with Brady in '07 and '11. Yes, LJ still has things to prove, but I don't think it's necessarily because of the type of QB he is.

Times have changed.

It's super hard to just win championships for having the best defense. It was very common 15+ years ago, but now not as much.

Now everything is done to make sure the better QB is given a better chance of winning the game. Sickening.

Where was this love in the '80s and '90s? LOL.

In comment 15119089 Jim from Katonah said:

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Jackson really is an unusual player. Sometimes throws like Uncle Rico, but going back to college, just absurd production both in the air and on the ground. This weeks game will give us additional info as an underdog v. a solid Bills D — and will continue to frame just who he is. One follow up: on the issue of injury risk, is there any actual correlation between running QBs and injuries? Off the top of my head, can’t really think of one. Tons of pocket QBs get blown up too (maybe because they can’t see it coming/brace themselves) — see Joe Burrow as a recent example. And plenty of running QBs have long relatively healthy careers — see Steve Young, Cunningham, Steve McNair etc.

Steve Young was turned into a pass first QB rather quickly once Montana left town.

Not so sure I agree about Young's health. He was sorta robbed a few years because of concussions.

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Wow a ball that travelled 50 whole yards in the air between the hashes! /sarcasm

He doesn't make all the throws. It isn't a franchise-QB caliber NFL arm.

It's apparent when you see him try to throw the deep out to the opposite hash. You won't see many examples because he can't make that throw. Every time I watch him I see him miss a throw that is easy for most NFL QBs. And he's successful because defenses have to respect his speed and agility. But a team that can contain him as a runner is always going to have a great chance to beat him, and that's why I don't believe he'll win a Super Bowl.

And for any jackasses reading this, this is just my own evaluation of Jackson. I'm a big fan, however, of Justin Fields, who I believe has everything you want in a franchise QB from what I've seen so far.

and is still young.. dont under rate him.. He's good

Mahommes and Watson could win exclusively from the pocket.

...STILL

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...STILL

Don’t want to get in the way of the troll other than to remind you how dumb your stance on this is.

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In comment 15125027 Saquads26 said: Quote: ...STILL Don’t want to get in the way of the troll other than to remind you how dumb your stance on this is.

tho...

and couldn’t care less about either quarterback in this game. Just a neutral party letting you know your value.

In comment 15125105 Thunderstruck27 said:

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tho...

LOL so bad but not surprising at all, he's not a good QB.

... and more the way a significant leg injury might alter his game. I think Jackson is better than RG III, and he’s certainly sturdier. But if he were to suffer a Carson Palmer-type injury - which can happen to anyone - how effective would he be, even two or three years later? I hope he stays healthy, because he’s fun to watch.

The Ravens were really sloppy tonight on offense and special teams. Jackson was part of the problem, mostly because of one horrible play.

In comment 15125122 Big Blue Blogger said:

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... and more the way a significant leg injury might alter his game. I think Jackson is better than RG III, and he’s certainly sturdier. But if he were to suffer a Carson Palmer-type injury - which can happen to anyone - how effective would he be, even two or three years later? I hope he stays healthy, because he’s fun to watch. The Ravens were really sloppy tonight on offense and special teams. Jackson was part of the problem, mostly because of one horrible play.

Rarely do defenders square up on Jackson to lay the big wood..he has a slithery natural ability to his game

I don't like him now. And by "like" I mean I wouldn't make the guy my franchise QB.

Last night was a perfect example: eventually these running QBs will run into a Playoff D that makes them look ridiculous. It's happened every year to Jackson so far.

When this guy has to throw without gimmicks he looks like a backup QB on my local JV team.

I am disappointed in the Giants D against BAL though - Graham had no plan. The Bills showed you how to embarrass them. Quarters coverage, both your S's attacking the backfield relentlessly. Put their backfield under siege because they can't hurt you. Great job by the Bills, just like the Chargers a year ago.

of freakish athleticism and being a pocket passer.

I wonder if it would help to move the pocket more?

Also, he needs different weapons - think he could benefit from bigger Mike Evans type receivers. Or even another H-Back type TE.

keep in mind, he's still a very young QB

Posting stupid opinions.

I’m trying to be nice.

In comment 15125164 mittenedman said:

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I don't like him now. And by "like" I mean I wouldn't make the guy my franchise QB. Last night was a perfect example: eventually these running QBs will run into a Playoff D that makes them look ridiculous. It's happened every year to Jackson so far. When this guy has to throw without gimmicks he looks like a backup QB on my local JV team. I am disappointed in the Giants D against BAL though - Graham had no plan. The Bills showed you how to embarrass them. Quarters coverage, both your S's attacking the backfield relentlessly. Put their backfield under siege because they can't hurt you. Great job by the Bills, just like the Chargers a year ago.

Exactly, I think he's actually gotten worse every year in the playoffs which I didn't think was possible. He's awful.