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Lamar Jackson — can someone explain to me why so many ....

Jim from Katonah : 1/11/2021 11:10 am
... on BBI either marginalize him or don’t see him as a great player?

After an absurd Heisman-winning college career, he’s 30-7 as a Ravens starter. In his last 2 years, he’s accounted for 74 TDs vs 20 turnovers (in 30 games). He’s also been a top 10 rusher each of the past 2 years (averaging an historic 6.5 ypc) — thus, providing the Ravens an added ball control/clock killing advantage. And, after last year, he was voted the overall no. 1 player in the NFL by his peers.

So what’s the argument? That he lost his first 2 playoff games (at age 22 and 23) and his game won’t translate to playoff football? From where I sit, he’s among the handful of most impactful on winning players in the NFL.
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RE: RE: The sudden demise of RG III shows you  
stoneman : 1/11/2021 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15118837 Go Terps said:
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that you are one tackle away from losing your starting QB for good. This is not a ding on Jackson, but more the whole concept of the running QB. The more hits he takes, the more likely to get and injury - that's the math.

And we all know how difficult it is to move up and grab another top QB each draft day.



The running QB is what college is producing. Who are the really good pocket passers in the NFL under age 30?


Herbert, Barrow,

I hear what you are saying though, alot more running QBs these days as that is the trend. When RGIII was in his prime, that was the craze, the type of QB to go out and get. But when one or two go down, this will stop.

It takes alot of effort to get a long term solution to the QB and build a team around.
RE: Sadly  
Saquads26 : 1/11/2021 2:16 pm : link
In comment 15118863 MtDizzle said:
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some here won’t give him the credit he’s due because the color of his skin.


Or you know because he's 1-2 in the playoffs with more INTs than TDs and less than 250 yards passing per game.
RE: Sadly  
lax counsel : 1/11/2021 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15118863 MtDizzle said:
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some here won’t give him the credit he’s due because the color of his skin.


I do not think this is the case at all and certainly smacks of unnecessary race baiting. Does anyone here not give Patrick Mahomes or DeShaun Watson credit, who - while athletic - are more traditional qbs?

I think the more likely notion is that folks here have a traditional sense of a pocket qb, and Lamar challenges that conception. He is a great playmaker who brings a unique skillset to the position, one which hasn't been seen in the NFL. He also works within in a program that allows him to flourish. T
RE: RE: I was wrong about him.  
Jim from Katonah : 1/11/2021 2:21 pm : link
In comment 15118806 Dnew15 said:
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I thought he was Tim Tebow level.

Boy was I wrong. Wish he were a Giant now.



#1

Between him and Murray - I officially resign as a QB college scout.


Didn’t Sy have Nathan Peterman rated higher than Mahomes? It’s tough as hell!
RE: RE: Sadly  
santacruzom : 1/11/2021 2:24 pm : link
In comment 15118880 Saquads26 said:
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some here won’t give him the credit he’s due because the color of his skin.



Or you know because he's 1-2 in the playoffs with more INTs than TDs and less than 250 yards passing per game.


Okay, so he's lost the two playoff games he's made in his first two seasons as a QB. Generally, I'd think that a QB who was even capable of getting to the playoffs in their first two years at least shows promise but you do you.

Also, is 246 yards passing per game in the playoffs meaningfully worse than 250 yards passing per game?

Also, he has an equal amount of TDs to INTs in the playoffs. You just have to realize that his rushing TDs count.
RE: RE: RE: 68 to 18 TD/INT ratio  
Jim from Katonah : 1/11/2021 2:26 pm : link
In comment 15118772 Go Terps said:
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Something like 46/0 in the red zone.

He is a fantastic passer. Fantastic.



I'm not sure that just looking at the TD/INT ration really justifies calling him a fantastic passer. Those are out of this world numbers, but he isn't the most refined passer despite his numbers. Take away his legs, and he becomes a mediocre QB.



Isn't that like saying "Take away Peyton Manning's brain and he's a mediocre qb"?

Jackson's running ability and how it opens up the passing game is part of the package. He puts defenses in a bind.


Reminds me off when a buddy dismissed Steph Curry by saying “all he does is shoot 3s” lol. 30 passing TDs per year and a top 5 RB in the same package ... lethal.
RE: The biggest problem in the playoffs the last two years  
santacruzom : 1/11/2021 2:28 pm : link
In comment 15118836 Go Terps said:
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The coaches panicked when they fell behind. They abandoned the offense and had Jackson drop back to pass or improvise. He threw the ball 59 times and ran it 20, while the running backs ran it 9 times. Absurd in a game that was 14-6 with 7 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.


That was my impression too. They started off with a great drive before Andrews pulled an Engram and allowed a pick off his hands. And then they simply stopped playing like they usually play.
Jackson is a unique player with some tremendous skills  
PatersonPlank : 1/11/2021 2:29 pm : link
He could probably play numerous positions in the NFL. To play him at QB you need to put a system around him that leverages what he can do, its not the standard/normal system. Baltimore has done that, and they are reaping the benefits. Most QB's could play in this system, just as Jackson couldn't likely play in a more standard passing system.

IMO people shied away a little because of this, but Baltimore saw the tremendous asset you could be and went for it
I doubt it has much to do with the color of his skin  
Mike from Ohio : 1/11/2021 2:33 pm : link
There are a lot of posters here who either a) don't have any idea what they are watching; or b) can't fathom the idea that there is more than one way to win a football game.

I'll stay away from race because most of the people who are knocking Jackson in this thread can't evaluate white players either.
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GiantEgo : 1/11/2021 2:36 pm : link
I acknowledge that LJ is great at what he does but his style of play looks like a schoolyard game to me. If this becomes the norm in the NFL I won't be interested much longer.
RE: I doubt it has much to do with the color of his skin  
Mad Mike : 1/11/2021 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15118927 Mike from Ohio said:
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I'll stay away from race because most of the people who are knocking Jackson in this thread can't evaluate white players either.

That was pretty good.
As for the kind of guy he is,  
Go Terps : 1/11/2021 2:37 pm : link
he came across well to me last year in a post game when a reporter asked if it was easy for him. He looked surprised and said, "No. These are grown men out here trying to feed their families." He also seems to be really well liked by his coaches and teammates.

I will never get over not picking this guy at #2 in 2018. What could have been.
RE: Jackson is a unique player with some tremendous skills  
Jim from Katonah : 1/11/2021 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15118922 PatersonPlank said:
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He could probably play numerous positions in the NFL. To play him at QB you need to put a system around him that leverages what he can do, its not the standard/normal system. Baltimore has done that, and they are reaping the benefits. Most QB's could play in this system, just as Jackson couldn't likely play in a more standard passing system.

IMO people shied away a little because of this, but Baltimore saw the tremendous asset you could be and went for it


I remember seeing highlights of him at Louisville. To me it was like watching Randy Moss — he just moved with a different level of speed and fluidity. I thought to myself ... he can’t be this good, why isn’t he rated higher by scouts (and I bought the narrative that the NFL would chew him up). Kudos to the Ravens for taking a chance and going all in.
He can’t throw  
BradberryGlue : 1/11/2021 3:04 pm : link
He is a great overall player in that he’s probably the most gifted runner in the sport, but he is a terrible passer. Spare me the stats, he can throw into the ocean sized holes he often sees. However when a D is sitting back playing the pass he looks like a HS QB on an NFL field. He is not the kind of QB who will have a 15 year window. His window will last until he suffers a major leg injury or the abuse takes it toll on his running ability, much more that it will look like the window of a RB. And that said his window is still small. There is no precedent for a run reliant QB winning a SB in the modern NFL. It’s a pocket passers league at the top level. His D won them the game yesterday. Josh Allen is going to produce points Saturday night. The Bills stopped him from running last year if they do not again the light will once again shine on his inability to win throwing the football.
RE: He can’t throw  
Go Terps : 1/11/2021 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15118985 BradberryGlue said:
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He is a great overall player in that he’s probably the most gifted runner in the sport, but he is a terrible passer. Spare me the stats, he can throw into the ocean sized holes he often sees. However when a D is sitting back playing the pass he looks like a HS QB on an NFL field. He is not the kind of QB who will have a 15 year window. His window will last until he suffers a major leg injury or the abuse takes it toll on his running ability, much more that it will look like the window of a RB. And that said his window is still small. There is no precedent for a run reliant QB winning a SB in the modern NFL. It’s a pocket passers league at the top level. His D won them the game yesterday. Josh Allen is going to produce points Saturday night. The Bills stopped him from running last year if they do not again the light will once again shine on his inability to win throwing the football.


Talking about a 15 year window for anyone is ridiculous. Looking past 5 years when you draft a guy is crazy.

You think Daniel Jones is going to be the Giants QB in 13 years? I wish that were a stock so I could short it.
RE: He can’t throw  
Mike from Ohio : 1/11/2021 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15118985 BradberryGlue said:
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He is a great overall player in that he’s probably the most gifted runner in the sport, but he is a terrible passer. Spare me the stats, he can throw into the ocean sized holes he often sees. However when a D is sitting back playing the pass he looks like a HS QB on an NFL field. He is not the kind of QB who will have a 15 year window. His window will last until he suffers a major leg injury or the abuse takes it toll on his running ability, much more that it will look like the window of a RB. And that said his window is still small. There is no precedent for a run reliant QB winning a SB in the modern NFL. It’s a pocket passers league at the top level. His D won them the game yesterday. Josh Allen is going to produce points Saturday night. The Bills stopped him from running last year if they do not again the light will once again shine on his inability to win throwing the football.


I always enjoy posts that start with dismissing all objective data in favor of "this isn't how it was done in my day, and I don't like it."
RE: RE: He can’t throw  
Jim from Katonah : 1/11/2021 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15118995 Mike from Ohio said:
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He is a great overall player in that he’s probably the most gifted runner in the sport, but he is a terrible passer. Spare me the stats, he can throw into the ocean sized holes he often sees. However when a D is sitting back playing the pass he looks like a HS QB on an NFL field. He is not the kind of QB who will have a 15 year window. His window will last until he suffers a major leg injury or the abuse takes it toll on his running ability, much more that it will look like the window of a RB. And that said his window is still small. There is no precedent for a run reliant QB winning a SB in the modern NFL. It’s a pocket passers league at the top level. His D won them the game yesterday. Josh Allen is going to produce points Saturday night. The Bills stopped him from running last year if they do not again the light will once again shine on his inability to win throwing the football.



I always enjoy posts that start with dismissing all objective data in favor of "this isn't how it was done in my day, and I don't like it."


And he’s only THROWN for 2 less TDs than The Great Mahomes the past 2 years (on 300 less attempts). Get off my lawn!
as someone who lives 'in the area'  
islander1 : 1/11/2021 3:18 pm : link
I don't know that Lamar isn't a good NFL passer, because he really doesn't have any reliable weapons besides Andrews at TE.

Baltimore's WR's are no better, collectively than the Giants. Marquise Brown managed to wipe the butter from his gloves yesterday - he's their equivalent of Evan Engram.

It won't surprise me if Jackson's career evolves like Vick's did. They could be so lucky.
RE: it wasn't just BBI  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 3:28 pm : link
In comment 15118533 Dnew15 said:
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NFL scouts were asking him to tryout at the combine as a WR and/or RB.

Every other NFL team passed on him before Balt took him.


That's fine. A lot of people are doubted when they come out of college (I personally wanted LJ on this team, though).

But this is ignoring the fact that Lamar Jackson has NOW played 3 seasons in the NFL, won NFL MVP, was voted best player in the league by his peers, and yet STILL he is not getting respect from various people in the media, on this board, etc. I have no idea why that is.

I disagree with everyone saying "he is a great player, but not a great QB." You don't lead the league in TD passes by accident. He's incredibly accurate in the redzone and short-distance passing, which is way more valuable than anyone gives it credit for. Scoring in the redzone is a HUGE part of WINNING (hence why TC called it "the green zone"). LJ is a gamer with a nose for the endzone with both his arm AND his legs. Everyone gives him shit because he doesn't have an arm like Mahomes or Allen or Rodgers. OK. Well neither does Brees. Brees has always gotten by on deadly accuracy. So why is it when LJ shows deadly accuracy in the redzone (i.e. compressed field) we say "well he's not a real QB because he doesn't have top 5 arm strength." Give me a fucking break.
BTW  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 3:32 pm : link
That throw he made rolling to his right early in the game yesterday. Where it was 3rd down, he avoided two rushers, rolled out to the right, and fired a side-arm laser 25 yards downfield as he was going out of bounds... that is a throw very few QBs can make and if Mahomes did it everyone would be saying it was one of those "Mahomes Magic Moments". It completely turned the momentum of the game around at a time the Ravens needed it most. To say he has a shit arm and/or isn't accurate is just dead wrong. I've watched him play enough to see he can beat anyone with his arm. Now, sometimes that involves also using his legs, but let's not pretend mobility isn't a HUGE part of a "real QB's" game, especially in the NFL in 2021.
RE: RE: He can’t throw  
BradberryGlue : 1/11/2021 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15118995 Mike from Ohio said:
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He is a great overall player in that he’s probably the most gifted runner in the sport, but he is a terrible passer. Spare me the stats, he can throw into the ocean sized holes he often sees. However when a D is sitting back playing the pass he looks like a HS QB on an NFL field. He is not the kind of QB who will have a 15 year window. His window will last until he suffers a major leg injury or the abuse takes it toll on his running ability, much more that it will look like the window of a RB. And that said his window is still small. There is no precedent for a run reliant QB winning a SB in the modern NFL. It’s a pocket passers league at the top level. His D won them the game yesterday. Josh Allen is going to produce points Saturday night. The Bills stopped him from running last year if they do not again the light will once again shine on his inability to win throwing the football.



I always enjoy posts that start with dismissing all objective data in favor of "this isn't how it was done in my day, and I don't like it."


My eyes are my objective data. The man throws noodles. He runs as much as he does because he NEEDS to. I’ll bookmark this for Saturday night in the cold v a mediocre Bills D. Watch Allen throw and then watch Jackson throw. The Ravens are 1-2 in the playoffs with him going on 1-3. And all 3 losses will have the common team of his inability to throw. He was 11-17 yesterday with an INT and 0 TD passes.
RE: RE: RE: He can’t throw  
BradberryGlue : 1/11/2021 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15119001 Jim from Katonah said:
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He is a great overall player in that he’s probably the most gifted runner in the sport, but he is a terrible passer. Spare me the stats, he can throw into the ocean sized holes he often sees. However when a D is sitting back playing the pass he looks like a HS QB on an NFL field. He is not the kind of QB who will have a 15 year window. His window will last until he suffers a major leg injury or the abuse takes it toll on his running ability, much more that it will look like the window of a RB. And that said his window is still small. There is no precedent for a run reliant QB winning a SB in the modern NFL. It’s a pocket passers league at the top level. His D won them the game yesterday. Josh Allen is going to produce points Saturday night. The Bills stopped him from running last year if they do not again the light will once again shine on his inability to win throwing the football.



I always enjoy posts that start with dismissing all objective data in favor of "this isn't how it was done in my day, and I don't like it."



And he’s only THROWN for 2 less TDs than The Great Mahomes the past 2 years (on 300 less attempts). Get off my lawn!


TDs are a result of moving the football. Baltimore moves the football on the ground, not in the air. They are probably 32nd in passing yards since Jackson took over for Flacco. They move the ball on the ground and the coverages Jackson sees are simplistic as a result.
RE: RE: RE: He can’t throw  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15119001 Jim from Katonah said:
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And he’s only THROWN for 2 less TDs than The Great Mahomes the past 2 years (on 300 less attempts). Get off my lawn!


I really would love to see what all the LJ haters on here have to say about this stat Jim just quoted.
Don't know that he is a great QB yet  
bc4life : 1/11/2021 3:38 pm : link
He is freakish athlete playing QB. RE: his QB skills - still a work in progress but he's good with a tremendous amount of upside.

RE: RE: RE: RE: He can’t throw  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15119014 BradberryGlue said:
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TDs are a result of moving the football. Baltimore moves the football on the ground, not in the air. They are probably 32nd in passing yards since Jackson took over for Flacco. They move the ball on the ground and the coverages Jackson sees are simplistic as a result.


But the reason they move the ball so well on the ground IS BECAUSE OF HIM. The defense has an extra RB to account for on every single play. Why do YOU think they move the ball so well on the ground?

And you cannot sit here tell me LJ deserves no credit for his TD passes simply because the running game always moves them down the field and his TD passes are just a product of that. It takes real skill and accuracy to throw TD passes in the red zone because the defense is all the more compressed.
I don’t think anyone is questioning that he’s a good QB  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/11/2021 3:43 pm : link
The real question with him is how he performs against good defenses. He seems to really bully poor defenses and then you get the flip of that he struggles more than most good QBs do. I honestly don’t think he answered any questions. He had a long TD run on one of the ugliest plays from a safety I’ve ever seen if I didn’t have pleasure of watching Bethea squeeze his retirement plan weekly for us.

The Titans have the worst defense in playoffs and the put up 2 TDs. The real story of game was Titans offense puking in themselves and HC clearly coaching scared with that punt on 4th and 2 on the 40.

The real question is next week. Buffalos D is better than Titans, but they are pretty middle of the road. 2 TDs ain’t cutting it against them either.

RE: RE: RE: He can’t throw  
Mike from Ohio : 1/11/2021 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15119013 BradberryGlue said:
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My eyes are my objective data.



This is priceless. "My opinion is my facts."

I love that we can live in a world now where facts are irrelevant because they don't line up with a predetermined opinion.
Because he is in no way  
section125 : 1/11/2021 3:54 pm : link
a traditional NFL QB. He absolutely breaks the mold. He is a college style QB playing great football in the NFL which is absurd and incomprehensible.

Mahomes, Wilson, and Rodgers(to a certain extent) are looking to pass first and only run in necessary. In the case of Mahomes the design runs are infrequent(like Jones). Part of Baltimore's offense is to run Jackson. He is a weapon.

I have come around after thinking he would not workout well in the NFL. You do not want your $25 to $40 mill QB running(see Carson Wentz knee injury). But John Harbaugh has decided he will use Jackson like he was used in college. Jackson is stout enough to handle it and he is faster than most DBs.
RE: BTW  
santacruzom : 1/11/2021 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15119012 Leg of Theismann said:
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That throw he made rolling to his right early in the game yesterday. Where it was 3rd down, he avoided two rushers, rolled out to the right, and fired a side-arm laser 25 yards downfield as he was going out of bounds... that is a throw very few QBs can make and if Mahomes did it everyone would be saying it was one of those "Mahomes Magic Moments".


Screw Mahomes... can you imagine how people would react if Daniel Jones made that throw?

You'd have people demanding apologies on the spot from anyone who ever doubted whether Jones should be our long term starter.
RE: RE: RE: RE: He can’t throw  
BradberryGlue : 1/11/2021 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15119033 Mike from Ohio said:
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My eyes are my objective data.




This is priceless. "My opinion is my facts."

I love that we can live in a world now where facts are irrelevant because they don't line up with a predetermined opinion.


The fact that you don’t want a run first QB is one that I stand behind. i think Daniel Jones has a chance to be a bust and I would not trade Daniel Jones for Lamar Jackson straight up. Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, Brady, Watson, Allen these are the type of guys you want at QB. Guys who can beat you with their arm. Jackson is good at what he does, it’s just a style that hasn’t won and won’t win unless it’s the defense driving the success.
That throw (I think it was to Andrews on third and long down 10-0)  
Go Terps : 1/11/2021 4:07 pm : link
was an enormous play in the game.

There's no question Jackson misses throws, and he's never going to be mistaken for Drew Brees. But the passing stats bear out his quality - 68/18, 7.5 YPA, and especially the 7.2% TDs. Mahomes by comparison is at 6.8% TDs. Jackson is enormously productive as a passer...he doesn't need a lot of passes to produce points.

What UConn said above about cluster drafting QBs is interesting. Obviously the mobility is crucial for Jackson...once that goes, he isn't the same. So if Baltimore is going to pay him, their absolute top priority has to be maintaining his mobility. How do they do that?

Reduce his workload. Prioritize acquiring quality mobile backups and use them to spell Jackson in blowouts, or possibly even entire games against weaker opponents.

This offense is different from what the NFL has been doing. It stands to reason the roster should be constructed differently as well.
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Go Terps : 1/11/2021 4:08 pm : link
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Jackson is good at what he does, it’s just a style that hasn’t won and won’t win unless it’s the defense driving the success.


Jackson is 30-7 as a starter and his team scores 30 PPG with him. And the defense wins games?

But you wouldn't trade Jones for Jackson, so...
He does not fit the mold and that puts some people off.  
Marty in Albany : 1/11/2021 4:18 pm : link
He's a terrific QB.
oh, cool, another new dupe screen name  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2021 4:38 pm : link
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Fun debate  
Jim from Katonah : 1/11/2021 4:39 pm : link
Jackson really is an unusual player. Sometimes throws like Uncle Rico, but going back to college, just absurd production both in the air and on the ground. This weeks game will give us additional info as an underdog v. a solid Bills D — and will continue to frame just who he is.

One follow up: on the issue of injury risk, is there any actual correlation between running QBs and injuries? Off the top of my head, can’t really think of one. Tons of pocket QBs get blown up too (maybe because they can’t see it coming/brace themselves) — see Joe Burrow as a recent example. And plenty of running QBs have long relatively healthy careers — see Steve Young, Cunningham, Steve McNair etc.
He's an amazing player.  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/11/2021 4:43 pm : link
I just don't think he can have a 7-10 year career as an option QB in the NFL. He definitely benefited from being coached by Bobby P. Roman has learned to really utilize him. I just don't think it's sustainable physically.
RE: Fun debate  
KDavies : 1/11/2021 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15119089 Jim from Katonah said:
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Jackson really is an unusual player. Sometimes throws like Uncle Rico, but going back to college, just absurd production both in the air and on the ground. This weeks game will give us additional info as an underdog v. a solid Bills D — and will continue to frame just who he is.

One follow up: on the issue of injury risk, is there any actual correlation between running QBs and injuries? Off the top of my head, can’t really think of one. Tons of pocket QBs get blown up too (maybe because they can’t see it coming/brace themselves) — see Joe Burrow as a recent example. And plenty of running QBs have long relatively healthy careers — see Steve Young, Cunningham, Steve McNair etc.


RG III
I'd add Kordell Stewart  
KDavies : 1/11/2021 4:49 pm : link
and Cam Newton to the list as well. Lamar Jackson is so damn quick though, he seems to avoid getting hit much (at least from what I've watched)
There have been several..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2021 4:53 pm : link
mobile QB's to get injured. I don't know I would classify McNair as a running QB, certainly not for the 2nd half of his career, but he missed 48 games in his career.

After he became a full time starter, Steve Young missed 38 games

Wentz has missed 10 games

RGIII had his career altered

Darnold has already missed 10 games, and hasn't gotten through any year unhurt

It isn't that the QB's are getting severe injuries, but they are getting dinged to where they miss games along the way.
RE: I'd add Kordell Stewart  
BillKo : 1/11/2021 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15119100 KDavies said:
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and Cam Newton to the list as well. Lamar Jackson is so damn quick though, he seems to avoid getting hit much (at least from what I've watched)


Vick.
Going back to his first year as a starter in college,  
Go Terps : 1/11/2021 5:01 pm : link
I believe Jackson has missed 2 starts:

2019: Week 17, rested after clinching top seed
2020: Week 12, COVID
Cam has..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2021 5:04 pm : link
been really durable - and even then, he's missed 20 games. But he didn't miss a game over 5 different seasons.

It hits different QB's differently.
Dak has been really dependable and then he missed 11 games this season.
Rodgers has been unscathed in 8 seasons and has missed 18 games concentrated in just a couple seasons

Compare that to the Mannings. Peyton went 16 different seasons not missing a game. Eli went 13 years. Matt Ryan has played 12 full years without injury. Tom Brady missed a season (much like Peyton did), but has played 17 different years not missing a game.
He probably  
giantBCP : 1/11/2021 5:06 pm : link
has the worst arm talent of any QB to ever play the game.
It's only right to question his passing ability. - ( New Window )
RE: Cam has..  
BillKo : 1/11/2021 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15119118 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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been really durable - and even then, he's missed 20 games. But he didn't miss a game over 5 different seasons.

It hits different QB's differently.
Dak has been really dependable and then he missed 11 games this season.
Rodgers has been unscathed in 8 seasons and has missed 18 games concentrated in just a couple seasons

Compare that to the Mannings. Peyton went 16 different seasons not missing a game. Eli went 13 years. Matt Ryan has played 12 full years without injury. Tom Brady missed a season (much like Peyton did), but has played 17 different years not missing a game.


Cam was all together different...he ran like a battering ram and took shots in the pocket too.

Jackson does run but gets down smartly it seems. He has taken some shots to the legs but has sustained.

Percentages are against him (in fact all QBs), and the Ravens hope for his health. As does the NFL because he's a very exciting player.
RE: Sadly  
joeinpa : 1/11/2021 5:10 pm : link
In comment 15118863 MtDizzle said:
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some here won’t give him the credit he’s due because the color of his skin.


Are you stating this as a matter of fact, or opinion. If the latter you should be more careful in the future.

Throwing the racist label around in such a cavalier fashion , does not forward the cause you seem to be promoting.
RE: He probably  
Go Terps : 1/11/2021 5:10 pm : link
In comment 15119121 giantBCP said:
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has the worst arm talent of any QB to ever play the game. It's only right to question his passing ability. - ( New Window )


When the NFL changes the rules to where a QB just has to throw at targets, then yeah Baltimore should probably get another QB. In the meantime, they're still playing next weekend and a lot of teams with QBs that are better throwing at targets are not.
Used to say it was just a matter of time for a running QB  
LBH15 : 1/11/2021 5:11 pm : link
to get hurt but with rule changes and refs protecting QBs on the run, I think those blows are more infrequent. Also many QBs are just more savvy about it these days in how they run, slide and go OOB which has probably helped as well.
RE: Sadly  
allstarjim : 1/11/2021 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15118863 MtDizzle said:
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some here won’t give him the credit he’s due because the color of his skin.


Lol, you're an idiot. If you're going to say some people on here are racist have something to show for it. If you don't, that's just a incredibly, mind-blowingly, fucking stupid thing to say. It also makes you look like a fucking jerk-off.
RE: Cam has..  
Jim from Katonah : 1/11/2021 5:18 pm : link
In comment 15119118 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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been really durable - and even then, he's missed 20 games. But he didn't miss a game over 5 different seasons.

It hits different QB's differently.
Dak has been really dependable and then he missed 11 games this season.
Rodgers has been unscathed in 8 seasons and has missed 18 games concentrated in just a couple seasons

Compare that to the Mannings. Peyton went 16 different seasons not missing a game. Eli went 13 years. Matt Ryan has played 12 full years without injury. Tom Brady missed a season (much like Peyton did), but has played 17 different years not missing a game.


The fact that all of the best 35 yrs old plus guys are pocket guys, from Rodgers to Rivers to Brady etc, probably disproves my initial thought there was no correlation.
RE: He probably  
Go Terps : 1/11/2021 5:18 pm : link
In comment 15119121 giantBCP said:
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has the worst arm talent of any QB to ever play the game. It's only right to question his passing ability. - ( New Window )


You've indicated being very confident in Daniel Jones, so here's a quick comp:

Jackson: 64% completions, 7.5 YPA
Jones: 62% completions, 6.6 YPA

So Jackson completes more passes, and gets more out of each pass. Oh, and Jones has thrown 4 more interceptions in 40 fewer attempts.

Jones is a better thrower, but Jackson's a better passer...and that's what matters.
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