Big Hope's for Miller, but jeez I can't stand this guy as coach.
It’s obviously a make-or-break year for him. I think Lafreniere and Kakko playing well is just as important as the W-L record. Quinn was brought her to develop players and these two are the best prospects we’ve ever had.
to start making leaps, that's how they reach the next level. The way they built the team for this season tells you it's a learning/seasoning season, dealing with dead cap hits, and the expansion draft.
Big Hope's for Miller, but jeez I can't stand this guy as coach.
It’s obviously a make-or-break year for him. I think Lafreniere and Kakko playing well is just as important as the W-L record. Quinn was brought her to develop players and these two are the best prospects we’ve ever had.
I think it's a mistake if they put Lafreniere on a 3rd/checking line. Hard to be dynamic in that rule
That’s even more shocking. I guess he was just that damn good in camp. I hope he’s ready because this division will be ready to press his button quick.
Big Hope's for Miller, but jeez I can't stand this guy as coach.
I don't love him, but what has he done to hate yet? Obviously they got outcoached in the play-in round, but other than that he's done a good job developing some players. I think he's about average.
That are not only upgrades over Smith and Johnson, but cheaper
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Really surprised the Rangers didn't claim Noah Juulsen off waivers from MTL. The Panthers did, but I'm not sure the waiver claim order - I thought the Rangers were ahead of the panthers, but maybe not.
He's young, good size, cheap, and potentially a top 4 D. Just has had a bunch of injuries to start his career.
Big Hope's for Miller, but jeez I can't stand this guy as coach.
It’s obviously a make-or-break year for him. I think Lafreniere and Kakko playing well is just as important as the W-L record. Quinn was brought her to develop players and these two are the best prospects we’ve ever had.
I think it's a mistake if they put Lafreniere on a 3rd/checking line. Hard to be dynamic in that rule
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier isn't really a checking line
RE: Quinn said last week that DeAngelo was going to pair with Trouba
He also heavily qualified it at the time, saying that the were going to start that way but that they would try other things and that a lot could change in training camp.
From first Athletic article of season, “And again,” Quinn emphasized, “I would warn everybody to go look at last year’s training camp... I’m not 100 percent sold on anything. This is just the beginning. There are a lot of reasons we do what we do, but that’s how we’re going to start.”
common to paid a young, mobile player, with a veteran less mobile player.
Bruins did it with Chara and McAvoy, Canadiens with Weber and Mete, and tons of organizations do it.
Makes more sense to me with Trouba who is about as defensively responsible as they get in the NHL to be paired with Miller then to stick Miller with Johnson or even Fox and Miller and Smith would be a disaster.
This pair made the most sense from day 1 (if they want R/L pairs) unless Quinn wasn't sure Miller would make the team. With taxi squads and delayed AHL season it makes sense for him to be in the NHL
I don't love him, but what has he done to hate yet?
He plays favorites and has two sets of rules for young players. It's the only way to explain how Brett Howden has stayed in the lineup no matter how poorly he played.
One could quibble over which is worse, Smith or Johnson
But does it really matter? They're both awful, and they're both on the roster.
lol, no, it doesn't matter.
for the record though Johnson was once good, and after what his parents did to him, I try not to speak ill of him - on or off the ice. No one should have to deal with that kind of like pressure IMO. I know he's a corpse now, but I still hope he finds a way to recapture some of what he once was.
Smith may be a nice guy, don't know, but I don't feel anything toward him so I prefer to accurately analyze Smith.
In comment 15118921 Victor in CT said:
I think it's a mistake if they put Lafreniere on a 3rd/checking line. Hard to be dynamic in that rule //////
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier isn't really a checking line
Anak, correct. Chytil, we hope, hasn't scratched what he can become, skating ability, does really taking the d-man wide and cutting in, his shot needs development. Gauthier, ton of speed, like Chytil is challenged finishing, and Laf: it's an interesting combo, maybe he's the glue/the passer, to make it work?
He has my sympathy. Still.....he's really bad at hockey at this point.
Well be prepared for this, as broken down as he is and make no mistake (and I know you won't) he is broken down, coaches may still like him.
His last full season in PIT he was playing top 4 D minutes (some due to injury - Schultz) definitely top 6, but even in CBJ when his decline started Torts would still play him over Werenski and Werenski wasn't much younger than Miller.
Have to hope he's there to mostly act as a mentor, provide leadership on a young team (and maybe act as financial advisor).
In comment 15118921 Victor in CT said:
I think it's a mistake if they put Lafreniere on a 3rd/checking line. Hard to be dynamic in that rule //////
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier isn't really a checking line
Anak, correct. Chytil, we hope, hasn't scratched what he can become, skating ability, does really taking the d-man wide and cutting in, his shot needs development. Gauthier, ton of speed, like Chytil is challenged finishing, and Laf: it's an interesting combo, maybe he's the glue/the passer, to make it work?
Gauthier has so much damn potential. It would be a shame if he never reaches it. A guy with his size, speed and skill...if ever he puts it together, watch out.
You have the players vote, management reviews and adds their weight and you name a captain.
It's not a lifetime appointment, you can change captains if the leadership, etc. shifts.
Right, but as Kreider said, the fanbase makes more of a commotion about it than the players. Laf will be the next C....probably next year or in 2023. Not the end of the world that we don't have a C.
but the captain isn't just a figure head even if players downplay it.
the captain sets the tone in the locker room and is an extension of the coaching staff (off the ice) and handles media responsibilities, on the ice they are a liaison between the coaching staff and the refs.
I know obviously NHL teams like the Rangers know this, but on a younger team like the Rangers I'd have a captain.
Alternate captains are merely an on-ice function IMO, to be that liaison when the captain is not on the ice. They do not have the same leadership expectations IMO.
RE: Graves and Leetch were the captains after Messier
but the captain isn't just a figure head even if players downplay it.
the captain sets the tone in the locker room and is an extension of the coaching staff (off the ice) and handles media responsibilities, on the ice they are a liaison between the coaching staff and the refs.
I know obviously NHL teams like the Rangers know this, but on a younger team like the Rangers I'd have a captain.
Alternate captains are merely an on-ice function IMO, to be that liaison when the captain is not on the ice. They do not have the same leadership expectations IMO.
I’m sure DQ is telling the guys to set an example but I generally agree with what you said.
I think captainship is generally overblown unless you have a guy like Messier.
Yep, like I said not the end of the world, but I'd still have one. Even if Lafreniere is the captain in waiting, he's 19 years old. He doesn't need that pressure. Have Mika be the captain for this year at least and he's not even signed long-term and I think he's earned it.
but not having a captain is a preference I guess. And Quinn sure knows a lot more about it than me.
It’s obviously a make-or-break year for him. I think Lafreniere and Kakko playing well is just as important as the W-L record. Quinn was brought her to develop players and these two are the best prospects we’ve ever had.
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What did Quinn originally say?
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Big Hope's for Miller, but jeez I can't stand this guy as coach.
It’s obviously a make-or-break year for him. I think Lafreniere and Kakko playing well is just as important as the W-L record. Quinn was brought her to develop players and these two are the best prospects we’ve ever had.
I think it's a mistake if they put Lafreniere on a 3rd/checking line. Hard to be dynamic in that rule
I'm glad he's playing at this level.
I don't love him, but what has he done to hate yet? Obviously they got outcoached in the play-in round, but other than that he's done a good job developing some players. I think he's about average.
Oliver Kylington
Derrick Pouliot
Lucas Johansen
Really surprised the Rangers didn't claim Noah Juulsen off waivers from MTL. The Panthers did, but I'm not sure the waiver claim order - I thought the Rangers were ahead of the panthers, but maybe not.
He's young, good size, cheap, and potentially a top 4 D. Just has had a bunch of injuries to start his career.
Prospect being the keyword. Both Kakko and Lafreniere were taken higher and were more highly-regarded.
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Big Hope's for Miller, but jeez I can't stand this guy as coach.
It’s obviously a make-or-break year for him. I think Lafreniere and Kakko playing well is just as important as the W-L record. Quinn was brought her to develop players and these two are the best prospects we’ve ever had.
I think it's a mistake if they put Lafreniere on a 3rd/checking line. Hard to be dynamic in that rule
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier isn't really a checking line
He also heavily qualified it at the time, saying that the were going to start that way but that they would try other things and that a lot could change in training camp.
From first Athletic article of season, “And again,” Quinn emphasized, “I would warn everybody to go look at last year’s training camp... I’m not 100 percent sold on anything. This is just the beginning. There are a lot of reasons we do what we do, but that’s how we’re going to start.”
Bruins did it with Chara and McAvoy, Canadiens with Weber and Mete, and tons of organizations do it.
Makes more sense to me with Trouba who is about as defensively responsible as they get in the NHL to be paired with Miller then to stick Miller with Johnson or even Fox and Miller and Smith would be a disaster.
This pair made the most sense from day 1 (if they want R/L pairs) unless Quinn wasn't sure Miller would make the team. With taxi squads and delayed AHL season it makes sense for him to be in the NHL
Well Smith was so bad he was moved to forward on a defensively challenged team.
He plays favorites and has two sets of rules for young players. It's the only way to explain how Brett Howden has stayed in the lineup no matter how poorly he played.
lol, no, it doesn't matter.
for the record though Johnson was once good, and after what his parents did to him, I try not to speak ill of him - on or off the ice. No one should have to deal with that kind of like pressure IMO. I know he's a corpse now, but I still hope he finds a way to recapture some of what he once was.
Smith may be a nice guy, don't know, but I don't feel anything toward him so I prefer to accurately analyze Smith.
I think it's a mistake if they put Lafreniere on a 3rd/checking line. Hard to be dynamic in that rule //////
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier isn't really a checking line
Well be prepared for this, as broken down as he is and make no mistake (and I know you won't) he is broken down, coaches may still like him.
His last full season in PIT he was playing top 4 D minutes (some due to injury - Schultz) definitely top 6, but even in CBJ when his decline started Torts would still play him over Werenski and Werenski wasn't much younger than Miller.
Have to hope he's there to mostly act as a mentor, provide leadership on a young team (and maybe act as financial advisor).
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I think it's a mistake if they put Lafreniere on a 3rd/checking line. Hard to be dynamic in that rule //////
Lafreniere-Chytil-Gauthier isn't really a checking line
Anak, correct. Chytil, we hope, hasn't scratched what he can become, skating ability, does really taking the d-man wide and cutting in, his shot needs development. Gauthier, ton of speed, like Chytil is challenged finishing, and Laf: it's an interesting combo, maybe he's the glue/the passer, to make it work?
Gauthier has so much damn potential. It would be a shame if he never reaches it. A guy with his size, speed and skill...if ever he puts it together, watch out.
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Thanks.
It obviously means they're keeping the C open until Laf is good and ready
Lol
You have the players vote, management reviews and adds their weight and you name a captain.
It's not a lifetime appointment, you can change captains if the leadership, etc. shifts.
You have the players vote, management reviews and adds their weight and you name a captain.
It's not a lifetime appointment, you can change captains if the leadership, etc. shifts.
Right, but as Kreider said, the fanbase makes more of a commotion about it than the players. Laf will be the next C....probably next year or in 2023. Not the end of the world that we don't have a C.
As many times as it takes for him to say "I totally called this" when Lafreniere eventually gets it
I meant after ‘04
the captain sets the tone in the locker room and is an extension of the coaching staff (off the ice) and handles media responsibilities, on the ice they are a liaison between the coaching staff and the refs.
I know obviously NHL teams like the Rangers know this, but on a younger team like the Rangers I'd have a captain.
Alternate captains are merely an on-ice function IMO, to be that liaison when the captain is not on the ice. They do not have the same leadership expectations IMO.
Also I don’t think Graves was ever C.
Ah gotcha. Forgot about that.
the captain sets the tone in the locker room and is an extension of the coaching staff (off the ice) and handles media responsibilities, on the ice they are a liaison between the coaching staff and the refs.
I know obviously NHL teams like the Rangers know this, but on a younger team like the Rangers I'd have a captain.
Alternate captains are merely an on-ice function IMO, to be that liaison when the captain is not on the ice. They do not have the same leadership expectations IMO.
I’m sure DQ is telling the guys to set an example but I generally agree with what you said.
Yep, like I said not the end of the world, but I'd still have one. Even if Lafreniere is the captain in waiting, he's 19 years old. He doesn't need that pressure. Have Mika be the captain for this year at least and he's not even signed long-term and I think he's earned it.
but not having a captain is a preference I guess. And Quinn sure knows a lot more about it than me.