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Giantimistic : 2:32 pm : link : reply
The media is going to run with Judge vs Peterson. Jets Giants preseason narrative will be interesting.>>>>>
may have leaned into the Eagles to really consider this move.
What Pederson did that last game against the WFT was a disgrace to professional football. There is no way a game of the significance - especially one changed to prime time - should be coached and treated like it was a game in early August.
The league certainly can’t be happy. The want to keep their division game filled drama ratings bonanza. If you have teams do what Eagles blatantly did it would force your hand to at very least move division games outta that spot. I don’t think it honestly got anyone off the NFL or even Giants fans because it seems so dumb to do. As well as a perfect storm of a coach on hot seat playing a shitty team playing for playoffs that generally would beat up.
It sucks as it is when one team had to play 6 division games and one played 5 and 1 with deck stacked heavily in their favor. Really annoys me they play division games at end of season as is, but to have openly tanking in a league where every game matters and margins are razor thin it would kill my passion for NFL. Fortunately this is so dumb that it seems like it will be anomoly and the next head coach that gets told this by his FO sees they can fire you anyway.
wanting him out because when you hire a new coach it kinda gives the GM a lifeline. As we saw here with Judge. You can't just get rid of a GM so quickly when you hire a new coach because it complicates what you do with the new coach and who works with him. The GM probably thought nothing was going to get better next year, so his survival instincts crept in and said how can I get more time to be here on the rebuild. Get a new coach, sell it as a rebuild, and next year when you are 71. million dollars over the cap is going to be a mulligan.
For not getting rid of DG and starting fresh with Judge and a new GM. I imagine a lot of Eagles fans might be feeling the same way now, with Roseman still captaining their ship.
For not getting rid of DG and starting fresh with Judge and a new GM. I imagine a lot of Eagles fans might be feeling the same way now, with Roseman still captaining their ship.
As I said above, that is why the GM probably engineered this coup. If he is good at anything, Roseman has showed he is good at the internal politics of staying alive in Philly. I mean, Chip Kelly had him dethroned and he convinced the owner to let him stay employed in the building.
relationship with Wentz was beyond saving. He's had his staff micromanaged for years now by Roseman and Lurie. Some are saying Pederson threatened to quit last offseason when they made him change OC. That's a tough way to treat your SB winning coach. Coughlin wasn't happy moving on from Gilbride, but he got a longer leash after the SB win than Pederson (granted for Tommy it was #2).
The Pederson-Wentz relationship, the Pederson-Roseman relationship seemingly both at impasse. Lurie has to make a call on the three most important men in his organization, and it seems that he's hoping that by choosing against Pederson they can a) salvage Wentz, and b) avoid an even greater organizational overhaul.
Seems? This is him covering his ass for his drafts and contracts. Lurie has incredible loyalty to him. Interesting to see who they go with as HC and if they make a play for a QB in the draft.
like Pederson got a little less smart after Reich left.
I think you're right.
So he'd be perfect for the Jets!
I don't know, the next year he got them to the division game and probably would have gotten them to the conference title game if Alshon Jeffery didn't drop a ball and Reich was in Indy. Reich has been moderately successful in Indy but let's not. make it out like he has taken the world by storm. He was the 7th seed this year, had a losing record last year. Doug Pederson has made the playoffs 2 years without Reich. Not sure Reich is the missing piece in this equation, but who knows.
relationship with Wentz was beyond saving. He's had his staff micromanaged for years now by Roseman and Lurie. Some are saying Pederson threatened to quit last offseason when they made him change OC. That's a tough way to treat your SB winning coach. Coughlin wasn't happy moving on from Gilbride, but he got a longer leash after the SB win than Pederson (granted for Tommy it was #2).
The Pederson-Wentz relationship, the Pederson-Roseman relationship seemingly both at impasse. Lurie has to make a call on the three most important men in his organization, and it seems that he's hoping that by choosing against Pederson they can a) salvage Wentz, and b) avoid an even greater organizational overhaul.
Is this verified or reading the tea leaves sort of thing? Would surprise me at all and Roseman certainly seems like that type. Lurie loving him doesn’t surprise me either. I think he’s a guy that really gambled for a SB and came up aces. He went all in for a couple years and it payed off. That usually ends up poorly in NFL.
Of course we see the aftermath of all that today. Eagles are in a ton of trouble for years and I thought they were gonna suck last year. The old injured roster squeezed out one more year at 9-7. It only gets worse for them next year for sure and another bottom of the barrel of year after is likely.
Is this verified or reading the tea leaves sort of thing? Would surprise me at all and Roseman certainly seems like that type. Lurie loving him doesn’t surprise me either.
Kind of reading the tea leaves but a couple tweets I saw:
Doug Pederson firing significantly increases chances of Carson Wentz staying in Philadelphia, a source told ESPN. Became clear keeping both would be difficult. Eagles could always gauge market or adjust with new coach but relationship appears salvageable.
Could have been an organizational decision, and Peterson was just the scapegoat to appease the locker room.
It's comical that you people think not playing Hurts who was 7-20 and 72 yards (2-11 and 7 yards after the middle of the 2nd quarter) was 'tanking'. Hurts sucked. What you don't do to management is leave its 160 million dollar asset inactive so when the rookie blew chunks, like he did, he couldn't be replaced. If you are going to pull shit like that, you better win. Pedersen's bet came up craps, he's out.
And before you all get high and mighty, McAdoo did the same thing leaving a multi million dollar asset on the bench for a bum. Unlike Hurts, the bum wasn't a total embarrassment, but he didn't win either. What happened to Johnny?
may have leaned into the Eagles to really consider this move.
What Pederson did that last game against the WFT was a disgrace to professional football. There is no way a game of the significance - especially one changed to prime time - should be coached and treated like it was a game in early August.
The league certainly can’t be happy. The want to keep their division game filled drama ratings bonanza. If you have teams do what Eagles blatantly did it would force your hand to at very least move division games outta that spot. I don’t think it honestly got anyone off the NFL or even Giants fans because it seems so dumb to do. As well as a perfect storm of a coach on hot seat playing a shitty team playing for playoffs that generally would beat up.
It sucks as it is when one team had to play 6 division games and one played 5 and 1 with deck stacked heavily in their favor. Really annoys me they play division games at end of season as is, but to have openly tanking in a league where every game matters and margins are razor thin it would kill my passion for NFL. Fortunately this is so dumb that it seems like it will be anomoly and the next head coach that gets told this by his FO sees they can fire you anyway.
I tend to like more divisional games at the end of the schedule. Let the teams fight it out directly. But I get your point to a degree...
This is one of the problems I had adding a 17th game. One more game for more injuries and one more game where a team can be even more out of it by that last game.
RE: RE: RE: so i guess it was not an organizational decision...
Could have been an organizational decision, and Peterson was just the scapegoat to appease the locker room.
It's comical that you people think not playing Hurts who was 7-20 and 72 yards (2-11 and 7 yards after the middle of the 2nd quarter) was 'tanking'. Hurts sucked. What you don't do to management is leave its 160 million dollar asset inactive so when the rookie blew chunks, like he did, he couldn't be replaced. If you are going to pull shit like that, you better win. Pedersen's bet came up craps, he's out.
And before you all get high and mighty, McAdoo did the same thing leaving a multi million dollar asset on the bench for a bum. Unlike Hurts, the bum wasn't a total embarrassment, but he didn't win either. What happened to Johnny?
Your argument would hold water if Sudfeld wasn’t as bad as I am throwing a football. Hurts’ ability to run keep them in that game, and could be a factor on any given play regardless of how bad he’s passing.
Sudfeld looked like he never played football before, something his head coach surely knew about already.
He and the front office talk about it, and then when the coach actually goes through with it, the backlash causes the front office to panic and make the coach the fall guy.
Missing the point on divisional games to finish the season
McAdoo didn't bench Eli at all. Eli benched himself...Eli was supposed to start the game and Webb start the 2nd half. That was what was pitched to Mara. When Eli balked McAdoo started Geno....and never got to Webb.
there is speculation that Pederson made the decision to take Hurts out all on his own and no one knew it was going to happen. This has appeared mostly as chatter and has not been written in any articles so take it with a grain of salt.
The speculation is he chose such a critical time because he wanted out of Philly and he saw that as the way to get it done. The story going around is that he had zero belief in Wentz but he saw no way for the team to move him and his contract. He felt he was stuck with Wentz for at least 2 more years and would be under pressure to play him because of the money.
Pederson saw some opportunities on the horizon - - more specifically Houston rather then the Jets and wanted the chance to be available for consideration.
Hard to believe that any pro football head coach would tank.
However, he could have saved his job by winning or coming close in a loss, if he really wanted to save it. He was playing short handed anyway.
I really don’t know what to conclude here other than assuming that he went against his professional instincts and did tank it. The only other possibility is that the front office told him he was out but he could coach the last game or resign before the game. Sort of like Fassel.
"After speaking with two people close to former #Eagles coach Doug Pederson, it sounds like this is what it boiled down: Pederson was sick of people telling him what to do." article - ( New Window )
RE: I apologize if this was already discussed, but
there is speculation that Pederson made the decision to take Hurts out all on his own and no one knew it was going to happen. This has appeared mostly as chatter and has not been written in any articles so take it with a grain of salt.
The speculation is he chose such a critical time because he wanted out of Philly and he saw that as the way to get it done. The story going around is that he had zero belief in Wentz but he saw no way for the team to move him and his contract. He felt he was stuck with Wentz for at least 2 more years and would be under pressure to play him because of the money.
Pederson saw some opportunities on the horizon - - more specifically Houston rather then the Jets and wanted the chance to be available for consideration.
This has been my feeling all along....he no longer wanted to be in Philly give the circumstances of talent/cap and structure.
The coach wins the super bowl, has been to the playoffs, and now the team sucks but has an aging and depleted roster.
I don't follow the Eagles so I guess I missed a rising dissatisfaction?
I do see that the QB situation is a mess, but I think Wentz is a head case and needs a break and a psychologist or something. Too much talent to give up on. I just think it is strange because with my limited view, I thought he was a decent coach.
The coach wins the super bowl, has been to the playoffs, and now the team sucks but has an aging and depleted roster.
I don't follow the Eagles so I guess I missed a rising dissatisfaction?
I do see that the QB situation is a mess, but I think Wentz is a head case and needs a break and a psychologist or something. Too much talent to give up on. I just think it is strange because with my limited view, I thought he was a decent coach.
If my owner was saying what Lurie is saying now I would lose my shit. It makes almost no sense, his face almost turns red when he is saying it because even he doesn't believe his shit.
In comment 15119091 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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to get out of there according to Rapaport
"After speaking with two people close to former #Eagles coach Doug Pederson, it sounds like this is what it boiled down: Pederson was sick of people telling him what to do." article - ( New Window )
If this truly is the case, Pederson is even dumber than I fucking thought. Probably won’t sniff another head coaching job if this is case. I mean he may be able to bamboozle someone still and it only takes one owner, but how is an owner going to look past this?
Another franchise where the GM has a longer leash than HC..
There's no good way to trade Wentz.... so maybe they try with someone new, because they can't win with Doug in that situation....and they can't salvage wentz with Doug There.
I don't know if DP is a good coach...I know He had enough Balls to win a Superbowl, and Not everyone does (Doug Marrone).
They combined a Huge contract with Some Old Bodies....thay suck
I might be wrong but I don’t see a way back for Wentz
Hurts got worse the more he played but he had enough initial success that the next costly int or fumble Wentz has the boo birds will be screaming for Hurts. Actually sitting Hurts in that Washington game hurts the Eagles because I don’t actually think he’d have won them the game and him stinking it up to completion might have soured the fans on him enough for Wentz to get some room
That would be hilarious! I hope they're in the revolving door hell we went through, and I hope the Eagles remain in dead last place for the next century!
Giantimistic : 2:32 pm : link : reply
The media is going to run with Judge vs Peterson. Jets Giants preseason narrative will be interesting.>>>>>
The media will run with Judge vs. anybody
What Pederson did that last game against the WFT was a disgrace to professional football. There is no way a game of the significance - especially one changed to prime time - should be coached and treated like it was a game in early August.
The league certainly can’t be happy. The want to keep their division game filled drama ratings bonanza. If you have teams do what Eagles blatantly did it would force your hand to at very least move division games outta that spot. I don’t think it honestly got anyone off the NFL or even Giants fans because it seems so dumb to do. As well as a perfect storm of a coach on hot seat playing a shitty team playing for playoffs that generally would beat up.
It sucks as it is when one team had to play 6 division games and one played 5 and 1 with deck stacked heavily in their favor. Really annoys me they play division games at end of season as is, but to have openly tanking in a league where every game matters and margins are razor thin it would kill my passion for NFL. Fortunately this is so dumb that it seems like it will be anomoly and the next head coach that gets told this by his FO sees they can fire you anyway.
would be very Jet-like, wouldn't it?
As I said above, that is why the GM probably engineered this coup. If he is good at anything, Roseman has showed he is good at the internal politics of staying alive in Philly. I mean, Chip Kelly had him dethroned and he convinced the owner to let him stay employed in the building.
Ha!
The Pederson-Wentz relationship, the Pederson-Roseman relationship seemingly both at impasse. Lurie has to make a call on the three most important men in his organization, and it seems that he's hoping that by choosing against Pederson they can a) salvage Wentz, and b) avoid an even greater organizational overhaul.
Seems? This is him covering his ass for his drafts and contracts. Lurie has incredible loyalty to him. Interesting to see who they go with as HC and if they make a play for a QB in the draft.
This is like Coughlin getting fired in 2010. Except Pederson actually won playoff games in between 17-20.
May the Eagles rot in misery for all time. It never seems to work that way but one can dream.
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He takes a bullet for upper management in week 17 and they fire him a week later.
Had the same thought.
Same here. What a weird fascinating story.
Could have been an organizational decision, and Peterson was just the scapegoat to appease the locker room.
I think you're right.
So he'd be perfect for the Jets!
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like Pederson got a little less smart after Reich left.
I think you're right.
So he'd be perfect for the Jets!
I don't know, the next year he got them to the division game and probably would have gotten them to the conference title game if Alshon Jeffery didn't drop a ball and Reich was in Indy. Reich has been moderately successful in Indy but let's not. make it out like he has taken the world by storm. He was the 7th seed this year, had a losing record last year. Doug Pederson has made the playoffs 2 years without Reich. Not sure Reich is the missing piece in this equation, but who knows.
The Pederson-Wentz relationship, the Pederson-Roseman relationship seemingly both at impasse. Lurie has to make a call on the three most important men in his organization, and it seems that he's hoping that by choosing against Pederson they can a) salvage Wentz, and b) avoid an even greater organizational overhaul.
Is this verified or reading the tea leaves sort of thing? Would surprise me at all and Roseman certainly seems like that type. Lurie loving him doesn’t surprise me either. I think he’s a guy that really gambled for a SB and came up aces. He went all in for a couple years and it payed off. That usually ends up poorly in NFL.
Of course we see the aftermath of all that today. Eagles are in a ton of trouble for years and I thought they were gonna suck last year. The old injured roster squeezed out one more year at 9-7. It only gets worse for them next year for sure and another bottom of the barrel of year after is likely.
Kind of reading the tea leaves but a couple tweets I saw:
On Pederson-Wentz
On Pederson Micromanaging
As I reported in Sept., Pederson was angry. He initially threatened to quit, per sources close to him. #Eagles didn’t take seriously then.
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..concerning the switch at QB/tanking game.
Could have been an organizational decision, and Peterson was just the scapegoat to appease the locker room.
And before you all get high and mighty, McAdoo did the same thing leaving a multi million dollar asset on the bench for a bum. Unlike Hurts, the bum wasn't a total embarrassment, but he didn't win either. What happened to Johnny?
What exactly has Roseman done well? What a snake.
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may have leaned into the Eagles to really consider this move.
What Pederson did that last game against the WFT was a disgrace to professional football. There is no way a game of the significance - especially one changed to prime time - should be coached and treated like it was a game in early August.
The league certainly can’t be happy. The want to keep their division game filled drama ratings bonanza. If you have teams do what Eagles blatantly did it would force your hand to at very least move division games outta that spot. I don’t think it honestly got anyone off the NFL or even Giants fans because it seems so dumb to do. As well as a perfect storm of a coach on hot seat playing a shitty team playing for playoffs that generally would beat up.
It sucks as it is when one team had to play 6 division games and one played 5 and 1 with deck stacked heavily in their favor. Really annoys me they play division games at end of season as is, but to have openly tanking in a league where every game matters and margins are razor thin it would kill my passion for NFL. Fortunately this is so dumb that it seems like it will be anomoly and the next head coach that gets told this by his FO sees they can fire you anyway.
I tend to like more divisional games at the end of the schedule. Let the teams fight it out directly. But I get your point to a degree...
This is one of the problems I had adding a 17th game. One more game for more injuries and one more game where a team can be even more out of it by that last game.
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In comment 15118871 BillKo said:
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..concerning the switch at QB/tanking game.
Could have been an organizational decision, and Peterson was just the scapegoat to appease the locker room.
It's comical that you people think not playing Hurts who was 7-20 and 72 yards (2-11 and 7 yards after the middle of the 2nd quarter) was 'tanking'. Hurts sucked. What you don't do to management is leave its 160 million dollar asset inactive so when the rookie blew chunks, like he did, he couldn't be replaced. If you are going to pull shit like that, you better win. Pedersen's bet came up craps, he's out.
And before you all get high and mighty, McAdoo did the same thing leaving a multi million dollar asset on the bench for a bum. Unlike Hurts, the bum wasn't a total embarrassment, but he didn't win either. What happened to Johnny?
Your argument would hold water if Sudfeld wasn’t as bad as I am throwing a football. Hurts’ ability to run keep them in that game, and could be a factor on any given play regardless of how bad he’s passing.
Sudfeld looked like he never played football before, something his head coach surely knew about already.
Now we're moving on to "A New Pigeon",followed by the "The Final Bluff".
McAdoo didn't bench Eli at all. Eli benched himself...Eli was supposed to start the game and Webb start the 2nd half. That was what was pitched to Mara. When Eli balked McAdoo started Geno....and never got to Webb.
We knew he was going to be fired you think the Jets or Vikes didn't?
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they probably could have gotten a chump team like the Vikings or Jets to give three first round picks for him.
We knew he was going to be fired you think the Jets or Vikes didn't?
This is exactly why the Eagles are so diabolical, and why any club that trades with them is so maddeningly stupid.
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No they chose Hurts
Pederson chose Hurts. Wentz is likely back next year now.
The speculation is he chose such a critical time because he wanted out of Philly and he saw that as the way to get it done. The story going around is that he had zero belief in Wentz but he saw no way for the team to move him and his contract. He felt he was stuck with Wentz for at least 2 more years and would be under pressure to play him because of the money.
Pederson saw some opportunities on the horizon - - more specifically Houston rather then the Jets and wanted the chance to be available for consideration.
I really don’t know what to conclude here other than assuming that he went against his professional instincts and did tank it. The only other possibility is that the front office told him he was out but he could coach the last game or resign before the game. Sort of like Fassel.
That may just push the fan base over the edge.
They could sell it as "unlike Kotite and Gase, Pederson has a Lombardi"
"After speaking with two people close to former #Eagles coach Doug Pederson, it sounds like this is what it boiled down: Pederson was sick of people telling him what to do."
article - ( New Window )
The speculation is he chose such a critical time because he wanted out of Philly and he saw that as the way to get it done. The story going around is that he had zero belief in Wentz but he saw no way for the team to move him and his contract. He felt he was stuck with Wentz for at least 2 more years and would be under pressure to play him because of the money.
Pederson saw some opportunities on the horizon - - more specifically Houston rather then the Jets and wanted the chance to be available for consideration.
This has been my feeling all along....he no longer wanted to be in Philly give the circumstances of talent/cap and structure.
I don't follow the Eagles so I guess I missed a rising dissatisfaction?
I do see that the QB situation is a mess, but I think Wentz is a head case and needs a break and a psychologist or something. Too much talent to give up on. I just think it is strange because with my limited view, I thought he was a decent coach.
I don't follow the Eagles so I guess I missed a rising dissatisfaction?
I do see that the QB situation is a mess, but I think Wentz is a head case and needs a break and a psychologist or something. Too much talent to give up on. I just think it is strange because with my limited view, I thought he was a decent coach.
If my owner was saying what Lurie is saying now I would lose my shit. It makes almost no sense, his face almost turns red when he is saying it because even he doesn't believe his shit.
"After speaking with two people close to former #Eagles coach Doug Pederson, it sounds like this is what it boiled down: Pederson was sick of people telling him what to do." article - ( New Window )
If this truly is the case, Pederson is even dumber than I fucking thought. Probably won’t sniff another head coaching job if this is case. I mean he may be able to bamboozle someone still and it only takes one owner, but how is an owner going to look past this?
Pederson pulled him
Ownership made it's choice
I don't know if DP is a good coach...I know He had enough Balls to win a Superbowl, and Not everyone does (Doug Marrone).
They combined a Huge contract with Some Old Bodies....thay suck
Beagals are in bad shape overall.
it's the only meaningful sports monument in Philly besides the Rocky statue, it ain't going anywhere.