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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/11/2021 7:32 pm
Who you got?

I think the Tide roll, pun intended.
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Barramore  
section125 : 1/11/2021 11:05 pm : link
would look good in Blue.
RE: Mac Jones is not a pro  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 11:07 pm : link
In comment 15119640 ryanmkeane said:
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quarterback. He’s a slightly better version of AJ McCarron.


See some Tom Brady with some better wheels...
RE: Mac Jones is not a pro  
santacruzom : 1/11/2021 11:09 pm : link
In comment 15119640 ryanmkeane said:
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quarterback. He’s a slightly better version of AJ McCarron.


I think we can't possibly know that unless an NFL team starts him for 3 years :)
RE: RE: Mac Jones is not a pro  
81_Great_Dane : 1/11/2021 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15119648 bw in dc said:
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quarterback. He’s a slightly better version of AJ McCarron.



See some Tom Brady with some better wheels...
I think he's a huge roll of the dice. Could develop or not.
This osu kid Proctor  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/11/2021 11:11 pm : link
Hammers everybody
The WR #8  
section125 : 1/11/2021 11:12 pm : link
on Alabama has made some very good tough catches. He'd make a nice slot receiver
RE: Barramore  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/11/2021 11:12 pm : link
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would look good in Blue.


I hate to say it but if they let DT walk....
RE: This osu kid Proctor  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15119654 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Hammers everybody


That OSU D is exhausted. But Proctor has made some plays.
RE: I think some of you underestimate just how physical and big  
Eman11 : 1/11/2021 11:17 pm : link
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.


Very good point.
I so enjoy watching a Big 10 team getting crushed  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2021 11:18 pm : link
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RE: RE: I think some of you underestimate just how physical and big  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 11:22 pm : link
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.



Very good point.


Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.
RE: RE: Barramore  
section125 : 1/11/2021 11:25 pm : link
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would look good in Blue.



I hate to say it but if they let DT walk....


Exactly what I was thinking. CBS has him #2 DL and #27 overall. Doubt he makes it to 42.
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BigBlueBuff : 1/11/2021 11:32 pm : link
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.



Very good point.



Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.

True, but you make it sound like Smith and Waddle are playing against weak competition and that they're two tiny dudes. Smith is 6'1" and will put on some weight in the league.
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chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 11:34 pm : link
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.



Very good point.



Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.


True, but you make it sound like Smith and Waddle are playing against weak competition and that they're two tiny dudes. Smith is 6'1" and will put on some weight in the league.


I never said anything that remotely resembled that
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Eman11 : 1/11/2021 11:37 pm : link
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.



Very good point.



Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.


Well the SEC did have 64 players drafted in the last draft. Don’t have the numbers from prior years but they put a heck of a lot of players into the league.

Point is, Smith, and Waddle do play against big, fast, talented players just about every game. Obviously not as many as in an NFL game but the SEC is a pretty good barometer for them to be evaluated by as it is for everyone else who plays in that conference.
RE: RE: The other shrimp in the tent.  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 11:38 pm : link
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These are both very good college players, but I just cant see them holding up in the pros.



We don't agree on a lot, but this is a valid concern.


Im glad. Bw, I dont take joy in disagreeing woth a poster who obviously pays very close attention to the game as you do.

Just dont go looking at this as the Treaty of BBI (see what I did there? Rhymes with Versailles) 👽😷
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chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 11:40 pm : link
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.



Very good point.



Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.



Well the SEC did have 64 players drafted in the last draft. Don’t have the numbers from prior years but they put a heck of a lot of players into the league.

Point is, Smith, and Waddle do play against big, fast, talented players just about every game. Obviously not as many as in an NFL game but the SEC is a pretty good barometer for them to be evaluated by as it is for everyone else who plays in that conference.


Ok cool. Im not arguing this any more. I just seem to think we need a more physical receiving threat than a couple of guys who are very light in the ass.
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Eman11 : 1/11/2021 11:46 pm : link
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.



Very good point.



Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.



Well the SEC did have 64 players drafted in the last draft. Don’t have the numbers from prior years but they put a heck of a lot of players into the league.

Point is, Smith, and Waddle do play against big, fast, talented players just about every game. Obviously not as many as in an NFL game but the SEC is a pretty good barometer for them to be evaluated by as it is for everyone else who plays in that conference.



Ok cool. Im not arguing this any more. I just seem to think we need a more physical receiving threat than a couple of guys who are very light in the ass.


Yeah that’s cool. I’m done too. I appreciate the back and forth but we just have to agree to disagree on these guys.

FTR I’d love it if both were bigger too, but I’m not gonna pass on them because they aren’t but I get you and others would. It’s all good though. Different strokes and we’ll just have to watch this all play out going forward with their careers.
Fair enough....congrats to Bama  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 11:51 pm : link
What a program Saban has built there. Fully deserving. Yea, maybe most kids use him for football and he does the same, but they are practically all great kids, solid to great pros with great characters....he is a great coach and deserves to be recognized as the best ever.
RE: Fair enough....congrats to Bama  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 11:55 pm : link
In comment 15119692 chopperhatch said:
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What a program Saban has built there. Fully deserving. Yea, maybe most kids use him for football and he does the same, but they are practically all great kids, solid to great pros with great characters....he is a great coach and deserves to be recognized as the best ever.


I agree they almost always end up being great dudes. What more can you really ask for from Saban. It’s not like when all the guys who graduated from Miami had problematic characters more often than not.
DeVonta Smith  
tyrik13 : 1/12/2021 12:01 am : link
Won’t be there at 11, he won’t make it pass 3 with Miami
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chopperhatch : 1/12/2021 12:03 am : link
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What a program Saban has built there. Fully deserving. Yea, maybe most kids use him for football and he does the same, but they are practically all great kids, solid to great pros with great characters....he is a great coach and deserves to be recognized as the best ever.



I agree they almost always end up being great dudes. What more can you really ask for from Saban. It’s not like when all the guys who graduated from Miami had problematic characters more often than not.


Nebraska was worse.
RE: I think Mac Jones ends up going in the top 10.  
BelieveJJ : 1/12/2021 4:47 am : link
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He has the prototypical size, a good arm, makes good decisions, and is very accurate. He's going early.


+10!
RE: Mac Jones is not a pro  
BelieveJJ : 1/12/2021 4:51 am : link
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quarterback. He’s a slightly better version of AJ McCarron.


Bet,? He's a for sure 1st round talent and selection.

He has oevos grandes and mske excellent decisions.
RE: RE: RE: Fair enough....congrats to Bama  
section125 : 1/12/2021 7:11 am : link
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What a program Saban has built there. Fully deserving. Yea, maybe most kids use him for football and he does the same, but they are practically all great kids, solid to great pros with great characters....he is a great coach and deserves to be recognized as the best ever.



I agree they almost always end up being great dudes. What more can you really ask for from Saban. It’s not like when all the guys who graduated from Miami had problematic characters more often than not.



Nebraska was worse.


Nebraska was worse than Miami? ok...
Nebraska under Osbourne was full of scumbags  
Greg from LI : 1/12/2021 8:27 am : link
You didn't know that?
I mean, hard to do much worse than having Lawrence Phillips  
Greg from LI : 1/12/2021 8:28 am : link
And the program did everything possible to keep that piece of shit on the field.
Saban  
PA Aggie : 1/12/2021 8:30 am : link
Great game.

Now please retire. (I know he's got 5-7 more yrs in him...)

Regards,
A Worn Out Aggie
RE: Nebraska under Osbourne was full of scumbags  
section125 : 1/12/2021 8:37 am : link
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Nothing will ever touch Miami under Jimmy Johnson.
For one thing, OU under Switzer was just as out of control as UM  
Greg from LI : 1/12/2021 8:45 am : link
For another thing, like half of the roster of the 1995 Huskers was arrested
RE: For one thing, OU under Switzer was just as out of control as UM  
section125 : 1/12/2021 8:49 am : link
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For another thing, like half of the roster of the 1995 Huskers was arrested


Yes OU under Switzer was bad. The U under Johnson was the worst.
The Miami guys were mostly  
10thAve : 1/12/2021 8:49 am : link
just assholes, arrogant, showboaters, etc. Any off-field issues for the most part centered around money, which probably was and still is happening around most programs.

As mentioned, Nebraska had actual bad characters - Phillips, Christian Peter, etc.
Congrats to Bama  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/12/2021 8:53 am : link
Agree with those complimenting Saban. He was built a incredible program in all facets. Team first, very talented and high character.

This coach loses a coordinator like every year. He loses players to the NFL every year many early entrants. Yet, year in and year out that team performs. It is incredible. He rebuilt Michigan State, LSU and now Alabama. Truly the best in the game.

Sark really had a great year. Good to see him getting another chance at Texas. I can't imaging a top QB not wanting to play for him. Texas will challenge Oklahoma in short order imo.
As a guy who hopes the Giants get Waddle  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/12/2021 9:00 am : link
its part of my own crazy armchair GM moves that I would make which include getting an outside WR via FA, someone big bodied who can make the tough catch - like Allen Robinson. Part of this fake plan is also cutting Shepard, drafting Waddle and putting him in the slot. So you'd have Robinson/Slayton outside, Waddle in the slot and Barkley in the backfield. I think they win a ton of games this way.
Alabama's motion offense last night destroyed OS defense  
Rick in Dallas : 1/12/2021 9:00 am : link
They reacted terribly to motion all night long leaving WR's wide open.
Saban is truly one of the great college coaches in history. Alabama consistently under Saban brings in top 3 recruiting classes with high character every year.
Saban also made a strategic change in his philosophy to a more high powered offense versus stout defense about 5 years ago bringing him his last 2 national titles.
It was kind of a blowout but I did enjoy this game  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/12/2021 9:02 am : link
two really well coached teams. I think Ryan Day is terrific (even if he looks like a human lizard king) abd OSU fans should be excited and hope he doesn't get called to the NFL. Imo, why wouldn't the Jets look at him.

Bama is just lights out coached, plus they have terrific talent. We can only hope Judge has the same effect on the Giants.
RE: As a guy who hopes the Giants get Waddle  
section125 : 1/12/2021 9:14 am : link
In comment 15119833 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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its part of my own crazy armchair GM moves that I would make which include getting an outside WR via FA, someone big bodied who can make the tough catch - like Allen Robinson. Part of this fake plan is also cutting Shepard, drafting Waddle and putting him in the slot. So you'd have Robinson/Slayton outside, Waddle in the slot and Barkley in the backfield. I think they win a ton of games this way.


You draft Waddle at 11 to be a slot receiver? I think Shepard is fine at slot. Quick guy with good hands that can block and get open.

Too bad his ankle is still hurting. Would like to have seen him at full tilt because compared to Smith - well there is no comparison.
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Lines of Scrimmage : 1/12/2021 9:19 am : link
In comment 15119835 Rick in Dallas said:
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They reacted terribly to motion all night long leaving WR's wide open.
Saban is truly one of the great college coaches in history. Alabama consistently under Saban brings in top 3 recruiting classes with high character every year.
Saban also made a strategic change in his philosophy to a more high powered offense versus stout defense about 5 years ago bringing him his last 2 national titles.


Totally agree and noticed this a few years ago. When Malzahn came into Auburn and then Sumlin he adjusted. He counter pounced the uptempo spread with heavily recruiting/develping the WR's while keeping the power running game.
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Jim in Forest Hills : 1/12/2021 9:20 am : link
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its part of my own crazy armchair GM moves that I would make which include getting an outside WR via FA, someone big bodied who can make the tough catch - like Allen Robinson. Part of this fake plan is also cutting Shepard, drafting Waddle and putting him in the slot. So you'd have Robinson/Slayton outside, Waddle in the slot and Barkley in the backfield. I think they win a ton of games this way.



You draft Waddle at 11 to be a slot receiver? I think Shepard is fine at slot. Quick guy with good hands that can block and get open.

Too bad his ankle is still hurting. Would like to have seen him at full tilt because compared to Smith - well there is no comparison.


I do, again pending his ankle checking out. I think the Giants need who can win these matchups and Waddle vs the slot corner I think tilts the field. I like SHep but I think he's way overpaid for what he brings. I think Waddle would bring a homerun threat to the slot.
Alabama was on a different level to everyone else  
dpinzow : 1/12/2021 9:59 am : link
Part of why this CFP was a dud. We had three blowouts which were not competitive games in the 4th quarter
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HomerJones45 : 1/12/2021 11:55 am : link
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Part of why this CFP was a dud. We had three blowouts which were not competitive games in the 4th quarter
The whole thing is a dud. Down 9 million viewers from the year before. The NCAA lets a few teams send their bagmen around to collect players and run what is essentially a full-time professional program on a college campus for the sole purpose of a made-for-tv event that it can sell.
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Zeke's Alibi : 1/12/2021 12:02 pm : link
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Part of why this CFP was a dud. We had three blowouts which were not competitive games in the 4th quarter

The whole thing is a dud. Down 9 million viewers from the year before. The NCAA lets a few teams send their bagmen around to collect players and run what is essentially a full-time professional program on a college campus for the sole purpose of a made-for-tv event that it can sell.


It isn’t the bagmen. Most these power programs have that. It’s that the boosters at Clemson OSU and Bama are above and beyond and they pay the big bucks for the massive staffs, trainers, and coaches that are NFL level. That’s what’s really expensive, the players are fairly cheap.
Alabama  
Kyle in NY : 1/12/2021 12:10 pm : link
becoming so innovative offensively almost shouldn't be allowed. Full marks to Saban for adapting with the times. They made a great Ohio State team (albeit a bit limited defensively this season) look comical with the ways they were utilizing Smith in various ways.

I love Ryan Day, but I think he got a lot wrong tonight. The defensive gameplan, very rarely deviating from base defnese with multiple linebackers on the field, was never going to work against this offense. And the option of kicking/punting shouldn't have been there unless absolutely necessary. At 21-14 inside the ten after the targeting, that has to be four down territory. The Sermon injury was rough, he was going to be a huge part of the gameplan to control the ball and also use him as a pass catcher. But that doesn't change what happened on defense.

Great season, just thankful we got to have it at all given where things were at in the summer. Full credit to Tide. That may be Saban's best team
Booster Support, Bagmn  
BigBlueCane : 1/12/2021 2:00 pm : link
massive "support staff' Ie, count how many times you see 'Analyst' Butch Jones on the Bama sidelines coaching up the players....


CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.

No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.
RE: Booster Support, Bagmn  
Eman11 : 1/12/2021 2:48 pm : link
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massive "support staff' Ie, count how many times you see 'Analyst' Butch Jones on the Bama sidelines coaching up the players....


CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.

No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.


3-4 teams?

You don’t think schools like Texas, OU, USC, Mich, Auburn, LSU,, Oregon, to name a few have just as big a booster following and chance to compete as the 3-4. teams there almost every year? They can certainly afford the amount of staff teams like Bama have.

I don’t think teams like Bama, Clemson and OSU have ruined the sport. I think they have set a high bar the others need to reach in order to beat them like LSU did last year,

While OU and ND have gotten in and had their shot, they just haven’t been as good and need to get better. Simple as that IMO.
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chopperhatch : 1/12/2021 3:13 pm : link
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Nothing will ever touch Miami under Jimmy Johnson.


As others have noted, Miami was a bunch of arrogant but excellent football players. Yea Irvin did tons of blowski and Ray Lewis probably killed somebody, but that was in the pros.Nebraska was a team of steroid addled racists and girlfriend stompers.
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HomerJones45 : 1/12/2021 3:57 pm : link
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massive "support staff' Ie, count how many times you see 'Analyst' Butch Jones on the Bama sidelines coaching up the players....


CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.

No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.



3-4 teams?

You don’t think schools like Texas, OU, USC, Mich, Auburn, LSU,, Oregon, to name a few have just as big a booster following and chance to compete as the 3-4. teams there almost every year? They can certainly afford the amount of staff teams like Bama have.

I don’t think teams like Bama, Clemson and OSU have ruined the sport. I think they have set a high bar the others need to reach in order to beat them like LSU did last year,

While OU and ND have gotten in and had their shot, they just haven’t been as good and need to get better. Simple as that IMO.
When the NCAA let Newton sell his services to the highest bidder (Auburn), that opened the floodgates.

It is incredibly naive to think that an Alabama is relying on "large staffs" and its academic reputation to get players on a national basis. And no, I don't think those other schools have the "active" booster network at Alabama. Who would continue to watch the NFL if one team received draft picks 1-10 every year? It's a "high bar" alright, but not in the way you think and it is producing a bad product.
post Newton  
HomerJones45 : 1/12/2021 4:03 pm : link
in the 10 games since Newton didn't know his Dad wanted $80k for him to play, Alabama has won the "payoff" 5 times and Clemson twice. LSU is the only other team to win since 2014. Where did William Swinney come from and go to school. You guessed it; Alabama.
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Eman11 : 1/12/2021 6:02 pm : link
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massive "support staff' Ie, count how many times you see 'Analyst' Butch Jones on the Bama sidelines coaching up the players....


CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.

No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.



3-4 teams?

You don’t think schools like Texas, OU, USC, Mich, Auburn, LSU,, Oregon, to name a few have just as big a booster following and chance to compete as the 3-4. teams there almost every year? They can certainly afford the amount of staff teams like Bama have.

I don’t think teams like Bama, Clemson and OSU have ruined the sport. I think they have set a high bar the others need to reach in order to beat them like LSU did last year,

While OU and ND have gotten in and had their shot, they just haven’t been as good and need to get better. Simple as that IMO.

When the NCAA let Newton sell his services to the highest bidder (Auburn), that opened the floodgates.

It is incredibly naive to think that an Alabama is relying on "large staffs" and its academic reputation to get players on a national basis. And no, I don't think those other schools have the "active" booster network at Alabama. Who would continue to watch the NFL if one team received draft picks 1-10 every year? It's a "high bar" alright, but not in the way you think and it is producing a bad product.


Oh please. I wasn’t the one who brought up “large staffs” and I’m not naive, I know exactly what was meant by that.

We definitely disagree on thinking Bama is the only school to have that “active” a booster network. You can’t seriously believe schoosl like Texas or USC have less than Bama in that regard. Did you pay attention to the college admission scandal? People were paying $500K just to get their kids into USC!

I’ve never claimed Bama set a high bar academically just as far as how they coach and play the game. The kids they get could get into any of those other big football schools with the “perks” that come with them. It’s also pretty clear to me Bama does a much better job at getting serious athletes who have their eyes on Championships, while also eyeing pro careers. The coaching they get on the field at Bama is the best and accomplishes the goals these athletes are looking for. That’s the high bar other schools need to reach if they’re going to compete.
Whether Miami, Nebraska, or OU  
Leg of Theismann : 1/12/2021 6:05 pm : link
wins the award for biggest dirt bags, I think the main point we can all agree on is Saban has done a great job focusing just as much on recruiting AND building good character as he has good talent (okay, not JUST as much lol). Similar Belichick that's likely also a big part of why Saban's success has lasted as long as it has as opposed to just being a flash in the pan like some of the other programs we mentioned.
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