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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/11/2021 7:32 pm
Who you got?

I think the Tide roll, pun intended.
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Route 9 : 1/11/2021 7:37 pm : link
Fuck them both.

Alabama wins. 27-17.
What the hell is the flak jacket Mac Jones plays with made out of?  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 7:39 pm : link
He looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy warming up out there, like it literally makes his stomach look like it's twice the size of his chest or something.
Not sure why I didn't take the opportunity to say Pillsbury Throw-Boy  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 7:42 pm : link
with a nod to the late great Jared Lorenzen. Mac Jones seriously looks like Jared out there.
RE: What the hell is the flak jacket Mac Jones plays with made out of?  
Route 9 : 1/11/2021 7:42 pm : link
In comment 15119270 Leg of Theismann said:
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He looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy warming up out there, like it literally makes his stomach look like it's twice the size of his chest or something.


This might be the longest subject tittle in BBI history
RE: RE: What the hell is the flak jacket Mac Jones plays with made out of?  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15119275 Route 9 said:
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He looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy warming up out there, like it literally makes his stomach look like it's twice the size of his chest or something.



This might be the longest subject tittle in BBI history


Not as long as your mom's tittle!

(sorry lol couldn't resist)
I got Ohio State +o.5 1st quarter  
ImissTiki : 1/11/2021 7:50 pm : link
.
...  
ryanmkeane : 1/11/2021 7:53 pm : link
44-41 Alabama
I'm As Much Interested  
Trainmaster : 1/11/2021 7:58 pm : link
in individual battles and looking at potential draft picks playing against top competition as I am in the game result.

My guess is Alabama smokes OSU, 38-21

Hope Fields is healthy...  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 7:58 pm : link
to give a good account.

And I hope the Ohio State front four can apply enough pressure so the Ohio State back end can hold up.

If they can't, I can see Bama winning pretty big 45-28.

If the front four can deliver, this could be a 38-35 contest.
Lol !  
Route 9 : 1/11/2021 8:01 pm : link
Nice.
Hope this game begins before midnight on the  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/11/2021 8:11 pm : link
East Coast.
Waddle is active!  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/11/2021 8:13 pm : link
Hope he’s part of the game plan,
PSA for those with ESPN app  
bigblue5611 : 1/11/2021 8:14 pm : link
It lets you watch the game from two different sky cams, the all 222 angle, what seems to be camera on the refs hats, the regular tv cast and others.
I'm going opposite way of what most people are thinking  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 8:17 pm : link
I think Alabama punches them in the mouth, but Fields leads Ohio St. back.
....  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/11/2021 8:18 pm : link
I so want to see Smith as a Giant.
Great  
AcidTest : 1/11/2021 8:18 pm : link
tackle by Williams.
RE: ....  
AcidTest : 1/11/2021 8:20 pm : link
In comment 15119329 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I so want to see Smith as a Giant.


That's why we want Smith, but he'll likely be gone by #11.
Horrible angle by the OSU safety...  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 8:21 pm : link
on the Smith catch.

And just poor tackling by OSU here.
RE: Waddle is active!  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 8:21 pm : link
In comment 15119319 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,


For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Don't  
AcidTest : 1/11/2021 8:23 pm : link
run laterally on second and short Mr. Harris.
_________  
I am Ninja : 1/11/2021 8:25 pm : link
Hes active but not healthy. You could see it in warmups. Now its worse.
RE: PSA for those with ESPN app  
trueblueinpw : 1/11/2021 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15119321 bigblue5611 said:
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It lets you watch the game from two different sky cams, the all 222 angle, what seems to be camera on the refs hats, the regular tv cast and others.


That’s pretty cool. TV sports are way behind what’s possible with technology.
OSU has to give up something...  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 8:28 pm : link
I'd rather Harris beat me than Air Bama.

Right  
AcidTest : 1/11/2021 8:30 pm : link
down the field. They really stretched OSU horizontally. That was quite impressive.
Over/Under  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 8:31 pm : link
on how big of a comeback Fields would have to orchestrate for him to overtake Lawrence as the #1 pick? I'm gonna go with 26.
RE: RE: Waddle is active!  
Eman11 : 1/11/2021 8:32 pm : link
In comment 15119334 chopperhatch said:
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,



For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.


Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?

He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
I was incredibly surprised  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 8:33 pm : link
to see how bad OSU's defensive stats against the pass were this year. They were really bad. Aren't they DB-U?
I agree Waddle is to small for the 11th pick  
Chip : 1/11/2021 8:33 pm : link
Little people don't last long in the NFL. Smith would be awesome but probably won't be there
If you're not sold on Waddle  
OttawaGiants : 1/11/2021 8:35 pm : link
Go watch some highlights. The guy is dynamic. A playmaker, and they need playmakers. He doesn't have the ideal size you'd like but he can still make game changing plays. I've seen some mocks have him as the #1 WR off the board.
Great  
AcidTest : 1/11/2021 8:38 pm : link
catch, and a nice throw.

What an answer by OSU.
I really like the way the ball jumps out of Fields arm  
PatersonPlank : 1/11/2021 8:39 pm : link
he has a really nice arm
RE: I agree Waddle is to small for the 11th pick  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15119352 Chip said:
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Little people don't last long in the NFL. Smith would be awesome but probably won't be there


Smith is only 174 lbs.

Waddle is 181, but 3 inches shorter, so he's more thicker-built than Smith, and honestly 5-10, 181 is pretty standard for a slot receiver in the NFL.

If anything if we were worrying about size I'd worry about Smith being too slight of frame to stake NFL hits (but I'm not worried).
What a catch.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/11/2021 8:39 pm : link
All tied up.
Big answer by OSU...  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 8:40 pm : link
They've had two good runs over that left side.
Fields has such a nice throwing motion  
montanagiant : 1/11/2021 8:43 pm : link
And can sling the ball really well
RE: I agree Waddle is to small for the 11th pick  
Eman11 : 1/11/2021 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15119352 Chip said:
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Little people don't last long in the NFL. Smith would be awesome but probably won't be there


Steve Smith, Deshaun Jackson, a couple of guys up in NE to name a few who were around for a while.
RE: If you're not sold on Waddle  
BillT : 1/11/2021 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15119354 OttawaGiants said:
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Go watch some highlights. The guy is dynamic. A playmaker, and they need playmakers. He doesn't have the ideal size you'd like but he can still make game changing plays. I've seen some mocks have him as the #1 WR off the board.

He’s going to run sub 4.4 if he’s heathy. He’s what we need. Two sub 4.4 guys on the outside to pair with Jones who’s downfield passing skills are excellent. Waddle is who we shove for at 11. The other guys will definitely be gone.
That kid Ruckert made a great one handed catch  
adamg : 1/11/2021 8:44 pm : link
He has 12 catches on the year. 100 yards. 5 TDs. Weird numbers.
should hope for  
BillT : 1/11/2021 8:45 pm : link
Sorry
Giving these Bama receivers free releases...  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 8:45 pm : link
is too easy for Jones.
RE: I got Ohio State +o.5 1st quarter  
ImissTiki : 1/11/2021 8:54 pm : link
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Oh Yeah!!!!!! Ohio State 1st quarter done and done
They use Smith for everything  
PatersonPlank : 1/11/2021 8:57 pm : link
That tells me something right there
Great  
AcidTest : 1/11/2021 8:57 pm : link
play.

I hope everyone took the over.

It looks like we'll see a lot of offense tonight.
How do you not call the pick  
ryanmkeane : 1/11/2021 8:58 pm : link
in immediately if Smith is there? He’s the best WR I’ve seen in college in quite some time.
Awesome  
giantBCP : 1/11/2021 8:58 pm : link
Play call.
RE: RE: RE: Waddle is active!  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 9:01 pm : link
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,



For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.



Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?

He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.


Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
I’ve seen a few mock drafts  
BigBlueShock : 1/11/2021 9:01 pm : link
That have Smith going to the Giants. That just isn’t happening. No chance, He will be long gone, possibly top 5 but certainly top 10. Don’t even get our hopes up with that
I don’t put a lot of stock into mock drafts this early  
giantBCP : 1/11/2021 9:03 pm : link
In the draft process, but I’d have to agree that Smith won’t be there at 11.
Yeah it’s looking more and more  
Everyone Relax : 1/11/2021 9:04 pm : link
that Smith won’t be there. He should be the first WR off the board.
What a boneheaded play by Fields  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 9:05 pm : link
He didn't even try to check if his WRs were set. Was quite clear with where his WRs were when he last looked at them that they were going to get a penalty for not being set if chose to snap the ball right then.
Ohio State  
Professor Falken : 1/11/2021 9:05 pm : link
staying very far away from Surtain.
Do you trade up for Smith  
Chip : 1/11/2021 9:06 pm : link
If he is there at 7 or 8. Trade our 2nd for there 3rd and throw in a 4th or 5th. I walked away from the TV did something happen to Waddle
RE: RE: RE: RE: Waddle is active!  
Eman11 : 1/11/2021 9:06 pm : link
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,



For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.



Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?

He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.



Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?


Umm, because he’s great at it.

We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
RE: If you're not sold on Waddle  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 9:06 pm : link
In comment 15119354 OttawaGiants said:
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Go watch some highlights. The guy is dynamic. A playmaker, and they need playmakers. He doesn't have the ideal size you'd like but he can still make game changing plays. I've seen some mocks have him as the #1 WR off the board.



Highlights? Haha, okay. 5'11 183 doesnt last long in the NFL. Wait until Jamal Adams, Jalen Ramsey or Eddie Jackson or Budda Baker gets a chance to drop him like a dirty penny
Bama  
MookGiants : 1/11/2021 9:07 pm : link
is about to take a shot down the field
I’d trade up for Smith  
ImissTiki : 1/11/2021 9:07 pm : link
If he’s the impact guy we need go get him... I’m not letting Oshane Ximenez or BJ hill get in the way of me getting a great football player for my football team
That drive stalled because they put themselves in a 1st and 15 hole  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 9:07 pm : link
for no damn reason. What the hell? Just panicky on the part of Fields. Can't afford to have many drives without points. Settle tf down kid.
RE: Bama  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 9:08 pm : link
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is about to take a shot down the field


Agreed. And I think it's going to work. 21-7 in a few seconds here.
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chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 9:08 pm : link
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,



For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.



Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?

He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.



Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?



Umm, because he’s great at it.

We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?



Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.

You really want another sprout at receiver?
Well... never mind  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 9:09 pm : link
lol
RE: I’ve seen a few mock drafts  
Eman11 : 1/11/2021 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15119392 BigBlueShock said:
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That have Smith going to the Giants. That just isn’t happening. No chance, He will be long gone, possibly top 5 but certainly top 10. Don’t even get our hopes up with that


I think you’re right but really hope you’re wrong about him being gone.
RE: I’d trade up for Smith  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15119413 ImissTiki said:
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If he’s the impact guy we need go get him... I’m not letting Oshane Ximenez or BJ hill get in the way of me getting a great football player for my football team


Huh? How far up do you think 2 underwhelming 3rds moves us?
RE: RE: Bama  
ImissTiki : 1/11/2021 9:11 pm : link
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Agreed. And I think it's going to work. 21-7 in a few seconds here.

Great call
Peppers is good at them?  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2021 9:13 pm : link
Sure, on the rare occasions he doesn't call for a fair catch. He got more and more reluctant to return the ball as the season went forward.
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Eman11 : 1/11/2021 9:14 pm : link
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,



For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.



Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?

He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.



Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?



Umm, because he’s great at it.

We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?




Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.

You really want another sprout at receiver?


If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?

And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.
Jeeze at this rate Smith  
Everyone Relax : 1/11/2021 9:15 pm : link
might go top 5
RE: Jeeze at this rate Smith  
Anakim : 1/11/2021 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15119435 Everyone Relax said:
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Or top-3. Dolphins could use a WR...
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Everyone Relax : 1/11/2021 9:18 pm : link
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Or top-3. Dolphins could use a WR...

I can’t see Sewell dropping out of the top 3, so it would have to be the Jets passing on Fields
Harris may be playing himself  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/11/2021 9:18 pm : link
Into round 1. Kid is a stud.
Harris is really good  
adamg : 1/11/2021 9:18 pm : link
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It's  
Professor Falken : 1/11/2021 9:19 pm : link
really helpful when the ref lets your OT hold.
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Anakim : 1/11/2021 9:19 pm : link
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Or top-3. Dolphins could use a WR...


I can’t see Sewell dropping out of the top 3, so it would have to be the Jets passing on Fields


Same. Depends on the trades. Maybe Dolphins trade for Watson...Who knows, but the next few months should be very interesting.
Do you give up our 2nd to move up for Smith  
Chip : 1/11/2021 9:19 pm : link
I would. He is just what the Giants need. By the sounds not a diva.
RE: Harris may be playing himself  
Anakim : 1/11/2021 9:20 pm : link
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Into round 1. Kid is a stud.


Yep. Second best RB in this class behind Travis Etienne Jr.
Another  
AcidTest : 1/11/2021 9:20 pm : link
great catch by Smith.
RE: It's  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 9:20 pm : link
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really helpful when the ref lets your OT hold.


No kidding. Clothesline by Leatherby.
I guess a 350-yard night might boost Smith’s draft stock.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/11/2021 9:20 pm : link
At some point, as an opposing coach, don’t you have to make somebody else beat you?

Oops - Najee Harris just became the “Somebody else.”
It would REALLY, REALLY, REALLY suck if the Ja'Marr Chase  
Anakim : 1/11/2021 9:21 pm : link
becomes an Eagle
Man, I thought last year LSU had one of the best O’s ever  
Eman11 : 1/11/2021 9:21 pm : link
In college, but if they keep this up and win this game, this Bama O has to be right up there with them in the discussion.

I’d give LSU an edge at QB and a slight one at OL maybe but it’s close there and everywhere else.
Sarkisian is in a zone...  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 9:21 pm : link
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Great  
AcidTest : 1/11/2021 9:25 pm : link
play calling by Sarkisian.
RE: It would REALLY, REALLY, REALLY suck if the Ja'Marr Chase  
Everyone Relax : 1/11/2021 9:26 pm : link
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becomes an Eagle

You prefer him over Smith? Sucks we didn’t get to watch him play this year
RE: Peppers is good at them?  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15119430 Greg from LI said:
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Sure, on the rare occasions he doesn't call for a fair catch. He got more and more reluctant to return the ball as the season went forward.


I honestly think he is instructed to at certain field positions. I agree with your premise that the fair catches have been curious at times, but he looks like he made them so early that it seems like Judge told him not to take chances. You remember Tiki with that shit?
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chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 9:28 pm : link
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,



For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.



Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?

He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.



Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?



Umm, because he’s great at it.

We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?




Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.

You really want another sprout at receiver?



If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?

And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.


Waddle is not the prospect Jackson was....ever. Never ever. And even then, Jax slipped to rd. 2.
They don't even need to review that for targeting  
dpinzow : 1/11/2021 9:29 pm : link
that's 1000% targeting
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Waddle is active!  
ImissTiki : 1/11/2021 9:31 pm : link
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,



For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.



Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?

He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.



Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?



Umm, because he’s great at it.

We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?




Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.

You really want another sprout at receiver?



If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?

And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.



Waddle is not the prospect Jackson was....ever. Never ever. And even then, Jax slipped to rd. 2.

Waddle is not the prospect DeSean Jackson is says who? You? Jaylen Waddle will most likely be drafted in the top 20 picks several slots higher then D Jax
Lol go look at preseason projections for Waddle.  
Eman11 : 1/11/2021 9:32 pm : link
He was a sure fire top 10 pick by most, some higher and had him as the #1 WR.
I have no sympathy for Battle...  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 9:32 pm : link
It's called tackle football, not hitting.
Fields seems a little more nervous and jittery than Mac Jones  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 9:33 pm : link
That alone is making me lean Bama. Maybe he settles down in the 2nd half though.
.  
Banks : 1/11/2021 9:33 pm : link
fuuuck. could have had an int
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,



For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.



Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?

He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.



Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?



Umm, because he’s great at it.

We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?




Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.

You really want another sprout at receiver?



If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?

And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.



Waddle is not the prospect Jackson was....ever. Never ever. And even then, Jax slipped to rd. 2.


Waddle is not the prospect DeSean Jackson is says who? You? Jaylen Waddle will most likely be drafted in the top 20 picks several slots higher then D Jax



Stop with the drafting of midgets!!!
RE: It would REALLY, REALLY, REALLY suck if the Ja'Marr Chase  
BigBlueShock : 1/11/2021 9:36 pm : link
In comment 15119452 Anakim said:
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becomes an Eagle

Why? Philly has a billion holes. The OL is putrid, the DL is getting older than hell and they have possibly the worst secondary in the NFL. The QB situation is mind boggling. They are like $60M over the cap. If they want to spend yet another 1st rounder on a WR, that’s good for us. Who’s blocking or playing defense?
@ chopper  
Eman11 : 1/11/2021 9:36 pm : link
You never answered the question. Would you take a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy at 11?
Waddle is  
Everyone Relax : 1/11/2021 9:37 pm : link
going to be an absolute stud in the NFL. I wouldn’t take him over Smith or Chase but I also wouldn’t be mad with taking him at 11. He’s not just a combine burner, his speed is obvious on the field.
Please  
MookGiants : 1/11/2021 9:39 pm : link
do not let Smith wind up in Philly. That would be a disaster
That  
AcidTest : 1/11/2021 9:40 pm : link
was absolutely targeting.
Smith  
AcidTest : 1/11/2021 9:40 pm : link
is unreal.
Does Smith struggle against press  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/11/2021 9:40 pm : link
He’s super thin and I’m sure he doesn’t see much of it in college. My only concern with him.
Smith is amazing  
PatersonPlank : 1/11/2021 9:40 pm : link
When you see the #1 team in the country playing #2, and all their plays go through Smith, that tells you something. They know who their best player is
Shaun wade  
Longtimelurker : 1/11/2021 9:41 pm : link
Gettleman please remove him from the draft board. Makes Eli Apple look like Revis.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Waddle is active!  
ImissTiki : 1/11/2021 9:42 pm : link
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,



For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.



Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?

He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.



Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?



Umm, because he’s great at it.

We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?




Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.

You really want another sprout at receiver?



If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?

And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.



Waddle is not the prospect Jackson was....ever. Never ever. And even then, Jax slipped to rd. 2.


Waddle is not the prospect DeSean Jackson is says who? You? Jaylen Waddle will most likely be drafted in the top 20 picks several slots higher then D Jax




Stop with the drafting of midgets!!!

You’re right who cares about skill level height is the be all end all
I get Bama  
Everyone Relax : 1/11/2021 9:42 pm : link
has crazy talent on offense, but is no one else very impressed with Mac Jones? Daniel & Mac Jones anyone??
Conversely, IMO, Jones the QB is the normal  
PatersonPlank : 1/11/2021 9:42 pm : link
decent college QB who looks great because he is surrounded by superior talent. IMO< he is another Leinert.
RE: I get Bama  
PatersonPlank : 1/11/2021 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15119498 Everyone Relax said:
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has crazy talent on offense, but is no one else very impressed with Mac Jones? Daniel & Mac Jones anyone??


Not Jones per my post above. IMO he is a good college QB who looks like NFL material because of the talent around him. I much prefer Fields
Is Mac Jones  
LG in NYC : 1/11/2021 9:45 pm : link
An NFL prospect?

I don’t watch much Bama but every time I do he looks good
RE: Is Mac Jones  
MookGiants : 1/11/2021 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15119503 LG in NYC said:
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An NFL prospect?

I don’t watch much Bama but every time I do he looks good


Yes, likely end of 1st or 2nd round pick
So...  
kes722 : 1/11/2021 9:46 pm : link
Smith won't be there at 11 LOL
RE: RE: I get Bama  
Everyone Relax : 1/11/2021 9:47 pm : link
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has crazy talent on offense, but is no one else very impressed with Mac Jones? Daniel & Mac Jones anyone??



Not Jones per my post above. IMO he is a good college QB who looks like NFL material because of the talent around him. I much prefer Fields

Eye test is showing the opposite. Fields has the athleticism but looks scared out there to me. Jones is in complete control and never seems to panic. I think someone is going to get a steal with him in the last first, early second
Smith physically  
SJGiant : 1/11/2021 9:47 pm : link
Reminds me of DeSean Jackson. Can he hold up to the punishment in the NFL ?
Holy crap these announcers are boring  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/11/2021 9:48 pm : link
It’s like they’re calling golf.
Come on Refs  
montanagiant : 1/11/2021 9:48 pm : link
There were 2 blatant holds and a block in that back on that punt
Smith is unbelievable  
PatersonPlank : 1/11/2021 9:48 pm : link
he's ripping up the #2 team in the country single- handedly.

I'd love to draft him
Did I say a 350-yard night?  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/11/2021 9:49 pm : link
Might have underestimated.
Smith is so good  
montanagiant : 1/11/2021 9:50 pm : link
He should go #1
Bama's offense is an absolute machine  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2021 9:50 pm : link
Wow
RE: Smith is unbelievable  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 9:50 pm : link
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he's ripping up the #2 team in the country single- handedly.

I'd love to draft him


He's a terrific player, but a ton of this is scheme.

And OSU just short on healthy talent.
lets just all pray  
MookGiants : 1/11/2021 9:50 pm : link
Smith goes to the Dolphins.

Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.
RE: RE: RE: I get Bama  
PatersonPlank : 1/11/2021 9:51 pm : link
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has crazy talent on offense, but is no one else very impressed with Mac Jones? Daniel & Mac Jones anyone??



Not Jones per my post above. IMO he is a good college QB who looks like NFL material because of the talent around him. I much prefer Fields


Eye test is showing the opposite. Fields has the athleticism but looks scared out there to me. Jones is in complete control and never seems to panic. I think someone is going to get a steal with him in the last first, early second


I could definitely be wrong. I've just seen this a lot of times (since I'm now old). He gets a lot of time, hits open receivers who will be #1 picks, etc. However you never know. Its clear though that Smith and couple OL players are 1st round talent
you would think  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/11/2021 9:52 pm : link
you might run a different coverage where a LB is not on Smith?
RE: RE: Smith is unbelievable  
PatersonPlank : 1/11/2021 9:53 pm : link
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he's ripping up the #2 team in the country single- handedly.

I'd love to draft him



He's a terrific player, but a ton of this is scheme.

And OSU just short on healthy talent.


Agreed its scheme. However in big games I look for who they are "scheming" to get open, its obviously who they think is their best player. They are running their whole offense through Smith tonight, even running plays
I guess Notre Dame  
section125 : 1/11/2021 9:53 pm : link
wasn't as bad as we thought. At least they kept Alabama to 31 in a whole game.
RE: Smith physically  
riceneggs : 1/11/2021 9:53 pm : link
In comment 15119512 SJGiant said:
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Reminds me of DeSean Jackson. Can he hold up to the punishment in the NFL ?


He's played in the SEC.

He'll be ok

He'll gain 10 pounds of muscle and at at 185. Which is still light, but still
RE: Did I say a 350-yard night?  
kes722 : 1/11/2021 9:53 pm : link
In comment 15119516 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Might have underestimated.


Currently

12 for 215 and 3td

Its only the 1st half so you might have picked the under LOL
Be nice to see Smith catch one in traffic  
Mark in ATL : 1/11/2021 9:54 pm : link
which he’s very good at. Ohio State DB’s can’t get near him in coverage. At the beginning of the year, that was one skill that people thought he was better than Waddle at.
Hope  
AcidTest : 1/11/2021 9:56 pm : link
Davis is OK.
DeVonta Smith looks a lot more like Isaac Bruce or Marvin Harrison  
dpinzow : 1/11/2021 9:56 pm : link
than DeSean Jackson
Smith  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/11/2021 9:58 pm : link
is so smooth. Looks effortless.
RE: DeVonta Smith looks a lot more like Isaac Bruce or Marvin Harrison  
kes722 : 1/11/2021 9:58 pm : link
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than DeSean Jackson


Again this D he looks like Rice 😆
RE: @ chopper  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15119483 Eman11 said:
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You never answered the question. Would you take a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy at 11?


So youre asking me if I could be guaranteed of a prospect having the success of Dijon Jackson at 11, would I draft him there? That's a dumb ass question. Because:

A) of course I would

B) there is no way you can come close to guaranteeing Waddle is a 10k yard receiver and top all time PR
C) The Eagles and 32 other teams didnt think that about Desean coming out of college because he lasted till the 2nd.

Horrible argument.
RE: lets just all pray  
section125 : 1/11/2021 10:01 pm : link
In comment 15119520 MookGiants said:
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Smith goes to the Dolphins.

Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.


Can we stop with the meaningless win whining. Eagles need QB and OLine more than WR. Giants need almost everything. Would love to get Smith but I would worry a little about his extremely slender build.
...  
kes722 : 1/11/2021 10:03 pm : link
I didn't like that route by smith....kind of.. went through the motion
RE: lets just all pray  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15119520 MookGiants said:
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Smith goes to the Dolphins.

Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.


Its gotta be a real possibility with Tua already there.
RE: lets just all pray  
BigBlueShock : 1/11/2021 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15119520 MookGiants said:
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Smith goes to the Dolphins.

Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.

Ah. We are back to bitching about the Giants winning games. For fuck sake. This fan base sucks ass
RE: RE: lets just all pray  
dpinzow : 1/11/2021 10:06 pm : link
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Smith goes to the Dolphins.

Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.



Its gotta be a real possibility with Tua already there.


Yup, Tua needs a WR badly. Devante Parker is his best WR and he's a #2 guy
RE: lets just all pray  
kes722 : 1/11/2021 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15119520 MookGiants said:
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Smith goes to the Dolphins.

Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.


...there is no such thing as a few meaningless games. Use Eagles tank and subsequent outrage for proof.
Plus Tua has already thrown to Smith at Alabama  
dpinzow : 1/11/2021 10:07 pm : link
so they have an immediate connection as potential NFL teammates
RE: RE: lets just all pray  
UConn4523 : 1/11/2021 10:09 pm : link
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Smith goes to the Dolphins.

Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.


Ah. We are back to bitching about the Giants winning games. For fuck sake. This fan base sucks ass


It’s unreal. Couldn’t imagine viewing sports through this lens, pure misery.
I also noticed the LB coverage on that TD  
Chip : 1/11/2021 10:10 pm : link
no comment by the announcers. He certainly was wide open. you have to double cover him and let somebody else beat you. Seems to be a mismatch.
Tide offensive play design  
Rick in Dallas : 1/11/2021 10:11 pm : link
Just outstanding. So many ways Sark gets Smith wide open.
Mac Jones accuracy is also impressive
RE: RE: @ chopper  
Eman11 : 1/11/2021 10:12 pm : link
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You never answered the question. Would you take a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy at 11?



So youre asking me if I could be guaranteed of a prospect having the success of Dijon Jackson at 11, would I draft him there? That's a dumb ass question. Because:

A) of course I would

B) there is no way you can come close to guaranteeing Waddle is a 10k yard receiver and top all time PR
C) The Eagles and 32 other teams didnt think that about Desean coming out of college because he lasted till the 2nd.

Horrible argument.


No, I was asking you that because of your lack of size comment.

In other words did you dismiss DJax too because of his size? If so, and knowing how he excelled regardless of it, why would you dismiss Waddle because of it? Did the lack of size prevent DJax from being a game breaker and a very successful NFL player?

Waddle has all the tools to be as productive IMO.
RE: I also noticed the LB coverage on that TD  
Eman11 : 1/11/2021 10:14 pm : link
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no comment by the announcers. He certainly was wide open. you have to double cover him and let somebody else beat you. Seems to be a mismatch.


I guess you missed it. Kirk said it right away and then showed it on the replay. How and why the LB ended up on him.
RE: RE: RE: lets just all pray  
Everyone Relax : 1/11/2021 10:14 pm : link
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Smith goes to the Dolphins.

Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.


Ah. We are back to bitching about the Giants winning games. For fuck sake. This fan base sucks ass



It’s unreal. Couldn’t imagine viewing sports through this lens, pure misery.

I really hope we don’t win a meaningless super bowl in 2026 and take ourselves out of the running to draft Arch Manning that year
If Bama  
kes722 : 1/11/2021 10:22 pm : link
Goes up 42 - 17 Ohio and Fields...are done
It’s definitely reasonable to expect  
UConn4523 : 1/11/2021 10:22 pm : link
other teams picking in the top 10 won’t select good players...
RE: If Bama  
Eman11 : 1/11/2021 10:24 pm : link
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Goes up 42 - 17 Ohio and Fields...are done


I think they’re done now. Even if Fields lights it up in the 2nd half, OSU has shown no reason to believe they can stop or even limit Bama from scoring.
RE: RE: RE: @ chopper  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 10:28 pm : link
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You never answered the question. Would you take a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy at 11?



So youre asking me if I could be guaranteed of a prospect having the success of Dijon Jackson at 11, would I draft him there? That's a dumb ass question. Because:

A) of course I would

B) there is no way you can come close to guaranteeing Waddle is a 10k yard receiver and top all time PR
C) The Eagles and 32 other teams didnt think that about Desean coming out of college because he lasted till the 2nd.

Horrible argument.



No, I was asking you that because of your lack of size comment.

In other words did you dismiss DJax too because of his size? If so, and knowing how he excelled regardless of it, why would you dismiss Waddle because of it? Did the lack of size prevent DJax from being a game breaker and a very successful NFL player?

Waddle has all the tools to be as productive IMO.


Fair enough, but Waddle has already gotten hurt in college. You do realize guys like Marvin Harrison and Jackson are incredible anomalies in the league right.

Fuck it...Id much rather take a chance on Pitts than another TINK receiver.
did Smith just break a finger?  
markky : 1/11/2021 10:29 pm : link
that looks painful
I too would rather Pitts  
UConn4523 : 1/11/2021 10:34 pm : link
even though I’m skeptical of how he’d fit but I’ll just have to defer to the OC on that, whoever it is. Waddle is exciting but I just don’t trust guys that size. Tyreek Hill is just built way more compact and can take hits, and also wasn’t a top 10/11 investment.
RE: RE: RE: Waddle is active!  
santacruzom : 1/11/2021 10:36 pm : link
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,



For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.



Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?



Not that I'd be opposed to Waddle but we already have the all time collegiate record holder for return TDs on our team.
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Eman11 : 1/11/2021 10:38 pm : link
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You never answered the question. Would you take a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy at 11?



So youre asking me if I could be guaranteed of a prospect having the success of Dijon Jackson at 11, would I draft him there? That's a dumb ass question. Because:

A) of course I would

B) there is no way you can come close to guaranteeing Waddle is a 10k yard receiver and top all time PR
C) The Eagles and 32 other teams didnt think that about Desean coming out of college because he lasted till the 2nd.

Horrible argument.



No, I was asking you that because of your lack of size comment.

In other words did you dismiss DJax too because of his size? If so, and knowing how he excelled regardless of it, why would you dismiss Waddle because of it? Did the lack of size prevent DJax from being a game breaker and a very successful NFL player?

Waddle has all the tools to be as productive IMO.



Fair enough, but Waddle has already gotten hurt in college. You do realize guys like Marvin Harrison and Jackson are incredible anomalies in the league right.

Fuck it...Id much rather take a chance on Pitts than another TINK receiver.


Yes, I realize that. I just feel the guy is special, will be a really good pro and can help us big time.

As for his injury, pretty sure getting his ankle rolled and broken really wasn’t size related. That play could and does happen to players bigger than him as well.

I’m actually more impressed by his work ethic, rehab, and drive to get back for this game.Let alone playing in pain, than I am worried about him being too small.
RE: did Smith just break a finger?  
kes722 : 1/11/2021 10:40 pm : link
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Yeah...that finger is done
RE: lets just all pray  
joeinpa : 1/11/2021 10:41 pm : link
In comment 15119520 MookGiants said:
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Smith goes to the Dolphins.

Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.


I never understand these posts. I get a fan rooting for a loss, but who are you angry at, the players because they tried to win, or the fans here who rooted for those wins?

Either case makes no sense.
Anyone really impressed by Najee Harris?  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/11/2021 10:42 pm : link
I knew he was good but looks like rd 1 to me now.
I think Mac Jones ends up going in the top 10.  
BigBlueBuff : 1/11/2021 10:43 pm : link
He has the prototypical size, a good arm, makes good decisions, and is very accurate. He's going early.
Well that was a perfect pass- under ALA defnesive pressure  
PatersonPlank : 1/11/2021 10:46 pm : link
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RE: Anyone really impressed by Najee Harris?  
section125 : 1/11/2021 10:47 pm : link
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I knew he was good but looks like rd 1 to me now.


Yes. Just mentioned it in the Devonte Smith thread.
RE: I think Mac Jones ends up going in the top 10.  
Eman11 : 1/11/2021 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15119620 BigBlueBuff said:
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He has the prototypical size, a good arm, makes good decisions, and is very accurate. He's going early.


Where do the Pats pick?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Waddle is active!  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 10:48 pm : link
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,



For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.



Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?





Not that I'd be opposed to Waddle but we already have the all time collegiate record holder for return TDs on our team.


Samuels ran a 4.31. He is not as quick as youd like, but he is plenty sturdy. I will take that guy running croossers and skinny posts and jet sweeps while Slayton stays outside.

If we signed that guy, I would be all in on Pitts as long as Parsons and Surtain were not available.
The other shrimp in the tent.  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 10:50 pm : link
These are both very good college players, but I just cant see them holding up in the pros.
Mac Jones is making himself some money tonight.  
81_Great_Dane : 1/11/2021 10:55 pm : link
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RE: The other shrimp in the tent.  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 10:56 pm : link
In comment 15119632 chopperhatch said:
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These are both very good college players, but I just cant see them holding up in the pros.


We don't agree on a lot, but this is a valid concern.
Mac Jones is not a pro  
ryanmkeane : 1/11/2021 11:00 pm : link
quarterback. He’s a slightly better version of AJ McCarron.
I think some of you underestimate just how physical and big  
BigBlueBuff : 1/11/2021 11:03 pm : link
the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.
Barramore  
section125 : 1/11/2021 11:05 pm : link
would look good in Blue.
RE: Mac Jones is not a pro  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 11:07 pm : link
In comment 15119640 ryanmkeane said:
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quarterback. He’s a slightly better version of AJ McCarron.


See some Tom Brady with some better wheels...
RE: Mac Jones is not a pro  
santacruzom : 1/11/2021 11:09 pm : link
In comment 15119640 ryanmkeane said:
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quarterback. He’s a slightly better version of AJ McCarron.


I think we can't possibly know that unless an NFL team starts him for 3 years :)
RE: RE: Mac Jones is not a pro  
81_Great_Dane : 1/11/2021 11:10 pm : link
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quarterback. He’s a slightly better version of AJ McCarron.



See some Tom Brady with some better wheels...
I think he's a huge roll of the dice. Could develop or not.
This osu kid Proctor  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/11/2021 11:11 pm : link
Hammers everybody
The WR #8  
section125 : 1/11/2021 11:12 pm : link
on Alabama has made some very good tough catches. He'd make a nice slot receiver
RE: Barramore  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/11/2021 11:12 pm : link
In comment 15119646 section125 said:
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would look good in Blue.


I hate to say it but if they let DT walk....
RE: This osu kid Proctor  
bw in dc : 1/11/2021 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15119654 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Hammers everybody


That OSU D is exhausted. But Proctor has made some plays.
RE: I think some of you underestimate just how physical and big  
Eman11 : 1/11/2021 11:17 pm : link
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.


Very good point.
I so enjoy watching a Big 10 team getting crushed  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2021 11:18 pm : link
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RE: RE: I think some of you underestimate just how physical and big  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 11:22 pm : link
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.



Very good point.


Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.
RE: RE: Barramore  
section125 : 1/11/2021 11:25 pm : link
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would look good in Blue.



I hate to say it but if they let DT walk....


Exactly what I was thinking. CBS has him #2 DL and #27 overall. Doubt he makes it to 42.
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BigBlueBuff : 1/11/2021 11:32 pm : link
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.



Very good point.



Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.

True, but you make it sound like Smith and Waddle are playing against weak competition and that they're two tiny dudes. Smith is 6'1" and will put on some weight in the league.
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chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 11:34 pm : link
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.



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Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.


True, but you make it sound like Smith and Waddle are playing against weak competition and that they're two tiny dudes. Smith is 6'1" and will put on some weight in the league.


I never said anything that remotely resembled that
RE: RE: RE: I think some of you underestimate just how physical and big  
Eman11 : 1/11/2021 11:37 pm : link
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.



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Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.


Well the SEC did have 64 players drafted in the last draft. Don’t have the numbers from prior years but they put a heck of a lot of players into the league.

Point is, Smith, and Waddle do play against big, fast, talented players just about every game. Obviously not as many as in an NFL game but the SEC is a pretty good barometer for them to be evaluated by as it is for everyone else who plays in that conference.
RE: RE: The other shrimp in the tent.  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 11:38 pm : link
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These are both very good college players, but I just cant see them holding up in the pros.



We don't agree on a lot, but this is a valid concern.


Im glad. Bw, I dont take joy in disagreeing woth a poster who obviously pays very close attention to the game as you do.

Just dont go looking at this as the Treaty of BBI (see what I did there? Rhymes with Versailles) 👽😷
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think some of you underestimate just how physical and big  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 11:40 pm : link
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.



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Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.



Well the SEC did have 64 players drafted in the last draft. Don’t have the numbers from prior years but they put a heck of a lot of players into the league.

Point is, Smith, and Waddle do play against big, fast, talented players just about every game. Obviously not as many as in an NFL game but the SEC is a pretty good barometer for them to be evaluated by as it is for everyone else who plays in that conference.


Ok cool. Im not arguing this any more. I just seem to think we need a more physical receiving threat than a couple of guys who are very light in the ass.
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Eman11 : 1/11/2021 11:46 pm : link
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Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.



Well the SEC did have 64 players drafted in the last draft. Don’t have the numbers from prior years but they put a heck of a lot of players into the league.

Point is, Smith, and Waddle do play against big, fast, talented players just about every game. Obviously not as many as in an NFL game but the SEC is a pretty good barometer for them to be evaluated by as it is for everyone else who plays in that conference.



Ok cool. Im not arguing this any more. I just seem to think we need a more physical receiving threat than a couple of guys who are very light in the ass.


Yeah that’s cool. I’m done too. I appreciate the back and forth but we just have to agree to disagree on these guys.

FTR I’d love it if both were bigger too, but I’m not gonna pass on them because they aren’t but I get you and others would. It’s all good though. Different strokes and we’ll just have to watch this all play out going forward with their careers.
Fair enough....congrats to Bama  
chopperhatch : 1/11/2021 11:51 pm : link
What a program Saban has built there. Fully deserving. Yea, maybe most kids use him for football and he does the same, but they are practically all great kids, solid to great pros with great characters....he is a great coach and deserves to be recognized as the best ever.
RE: Fair enough....congrats to Bama  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2021 11:55 pm : link
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What a program Saban has built there. Fully deserving. Yea, maybe most kids use him for football and he does the same, but they are practically all great kids, solid to great pros with great characters....he is a great coach and deserves to be recognized as the best ever.


I agree they almost always end up being great dudes. What more can you really ask for from Saban. It’s not like when all the guys who graduated from Miami had problematic characters more often than not.
DeVonta Smith  
tyrik13 : 1/12/2021 12:01 am : link
Won’t be there at 11, he won’t make it pass 3 with Miami
RE: RE: Fair enough....congrats to Bama  
chopperhatch : 1/12/2021 12:03 am : link
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What a program Saban has built there. Fully deserving. Yea, maybe most kids use him for football and he does the same, but they are practically all great kids, solid to great pros with great characters....he is a great coach and deserves to be recognized as the best ever.



I agree they almost always end up being great dudes. What more can you really ask for from Saban. It’s not like when all the guys who graduated from Miami had problematic characters more often than not.


Nebraska was worse.
RE: I think Mac Jones ends up going in the top 10.  
BelieveJJ : 1/12/2021 4:47 am : link
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He has the prototypical size, a good arm, makes good decisions, and is very accurate. He's going early.


+10!
RE: Mac Jones is not a pro  
BelieveJJ : 1/12/2021 4:51 am : link
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quarterback. He’s a slightly better version of AJ McCarron.


Bet,? He's a for sure 1st round talent and selection.

He has oevos grandes and mske excellent decisions.
RE: RE: RE: Fair enough....congrats to Bama  
section125 : 1/12/2021 7:11 am : link
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What a program Saban has built there. Fully deserving. Yea, maybe most kids use him for football and he does the same, but they are practically all great kids, solid to great pros with great characters....he is a great coach and deserves to be recognized as the best ever.



I agree they almost always end up being great dudes. What more can you really ask for from Saban. It’s not like when all the guys who graduated from Miami had problematic characters more often than not.



Nebraska was worse.


Nebraska was worse than Miami? ok...
Nebraska under Osbourne was full of scumbags  
Greg from LI : 1/12/2021 8:27 am : link
You didn't know that?
I mean, hard to do much worse than having Lawrence Phillips  
Greg from LI : 1/12/2021 8:28 am : link
And the program did everything possible to keep that piece of shit on the field.
Saban  
PA Aggie : 1/12/2021 8:30 am : link
Great game.

Now please retire. (I know he's got 5-7 more yrs in him...)

Regards,
A Worn Out Aggie
RE: Nebraska under Osbourne was full of scumbags  
section125 : 1/12/2021 8:37 am : link
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Nothing will ever touch Miami under Jimmy Johnson.
For one thing, OU under Switzer was just as out of control as UM  
Greg from LI : 1/12/2021 8:45 am : link
For another thing, like half of the roster of the 1995 Huskers was arrested
RE: For one thing, OU under Switzer was just as out of control as UM  
section125 : 1/12/2021 8:49 am : link
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Yes OU under Switzer was bad. The U under Johnson was the worst.
The Miami guys were mostly  
10thAve : 1/12/2021 8:49 am : link
just assholes, arrogant, showboaters, etc. Any off-field issues for the most part centered around money, which probably was and still is happening around most programs.

As mentioned, Nebraska had actual bad characters - Phillips, Christian Peter, etc.
Congrats to Bama  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/12/2021 8:53 am : link
Agree with those complimenting Saban. He was built a incredible program in all facets. Team first, very talented and high character.

This coach loses a coordinator like every year. He loses players to the NFL every year many early entrants. Yet, year in and year out that team performs. It is incredible. He rebuilt Michigan State, LSU and now Alabama. Truly the best in the game.

Sark really had a great year. Good to see him getting another chance at Texas. I can't imaging a top QB not wanting to play for him. Texas will challenge Oklahoma in short order imo.
As a guy who hopes the Giants get Waddle  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/12/2021 9:00 am : link
its part of my own crazy armchair GM moves that I would make which include getting an outside WR via FA, someone big bodied who can make the tough catch - like Allen Robinson. Part of this fake plan is also cutting Shepard, drafting Waddle and putting him in the slot. So you'd have Robinson/Slayton outside, Waddle in the slot and Barkley in the backfield. I think they win a ton of games this way.
Alabama's motion offense last night destroyed OS defense  
Rick in Dallas : 1/12/2021 9:00 am : link
They reacted terribly to motion all night long leaving WR's wide open.
Saban is truly one of the great college coaches in history. Alabama consistently under Saban brings in top 3 recruiting classes with high character every year.
Saban also made a strategic change in his philosophy to a more high powered offense versus stout defense about 5 years ago bringing him his last 2 national titles.
It was kind of a blowout but I did enjoy this game  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/12/2021 9:02 am : link
two really well coached teams. I think Ryan Day is terrific (even if he looks like a human lizard king) abd OSU fans should be excited and hope he doesn't get called to the NFL. Imo, why wouldn't the Jets look at him.

Bama is just lights out coached, plus they have terrific talent. We can only hope Judge has the same effect on the Giants.
RE: As a guy who hopes the Giants get Waddle  
section125 : 1/12/2021 9:14 am : link
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its part of my own crazy armchair GM moves that I would make which include getting an outside WR via FA, someone big bodied who can make the tough catch - like Allen Robinson. Part of this fake plan is also cutting Shepard, drafting Waddle and putting him in the slot. So you'd have Robinson/Slayton outside, Waddle in the slot and Barkley in the backfield. I think they win a ton of games this way.


You draft Waddle at 11 to be a slot receiver? I think Shepard is fine at slot. Quick guy with good hands that can block and get open.

Too bad his ankle is still hurting. Would like to have seen him at full tilt because compared to Smith - well there is no comparison.
RE: Alabama's motion offense last night destroyed OS defense  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/12/2021 9:19 am : link
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Saban is truly one of the great college coaches in history. Alabama consistently under Saban brings in top 3 recruiting classes with high character every year.
Saban also made a strategic change in his philosophy to a more high powered offense versus stout defense about 5 years ago bringing him his last 2 national titles.


Totally agree and noticed this a few years ago. When Malzahn came into Auburn and then Sumlin he adjusted. He counter pounced the uptempo spread with heavily recruiting/develping the WR's while keeping the power running game.
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Jim in Forest Hills : 1/12/2021 9:20 am : link
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its part of my own crazy armchair GM moves that I would make which include getting an outside WR via FA, someone big bodied who can make the tough catch - like Allen Robinson. Part of this fake plan is also cutting Shepard, drafting Waddle and putting him in the slot. So you'd have Robinson/Slayton outside, Waddle in the slot and Barkley in the backfield. I think they win a ton of games this way.



You draft Waddle at 11 to be a slot receiver? I think Shepard is fine at slot. Quick guy with good hands that can block and get open.

Too bad his ankle is still hurting. Would like to have seen him at full tilt because compared to Smith - well there is no comparison.


I do, again pending his ankle checking out. I think the Giants need who can win these matchups and Waddle vs the slot corner I think tilts the field. I like SHep but I think he's way overpaid for what he brings. I think Waddle would bring a homerun threat to the slot.
Alabama was on a different level to everyone else  
dpinzow : 1/12/2021 9:59 am : link
Part of why this CFP was a dud. We had three blowouts which were not competitive games in the 4th quarter
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HomerJones45 : 1/12/2021 11:55 am : link
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The whole thing is a dud. Down 9 million viewers from the year before. The NCAA lets a few teams send their bagmen around to collect players and run what is essentially a full-time professional program on a college campus for the sole purpose of a made-for-tv event that it can sell.
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Zeke's Alibi : 1/12/2021 12:02 pm : link
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Part of why this CFP was a dud. We had three blowouts which were not competitive games in the 4th quarter

The whole thing is a dud. Down 9 million viewers from the year before. The NCAA lets a few teams send their bagmen around to collect players and run what is essentially a full-time professional program on a college campus for the sole purpose of a made-for-tv event that it can sell.


It isn’t the bagmen. Most these power programs have that. It’s that the boosters at Clemson OSU and Bama are above and beyond and they pay the big bucks for the massive staffs, trainers, and coaches that are NFL level. That’s what’s really expensive, the players are fairly cheap.
Alabama  
Kyle in NY : 1/12/2021 12:10 pm : link
becoming so innovative offensively almost shouldn't be allowed. Full marks to Saban for adapting with the times. They made a great Ohio State team (albeit a bit limited defensively this season) look comical with the ways they were utilizing Smith in various ways.

I love Ryan Day, but I think he got a lot wrong tonight. The defensive gameplan, very rarely deviating from base defnese with multiple linebackers on the field, was never going to work against this offense. And the option of kicking/punting shouldn't have been there unless absolutely necessary. At 21-14 inside the ten after the targeting, that has to be four down territory. The Sermon injury was rough, he was going to be a huge part of the gameplan to control the ball and also use him as a pass catcher. But that doesn't change what happened on defense.

Great season, just thankful we got to have it at all given where things were at in the summer. Full credit to Tide. That may be Saban's best team
Booster Support, Bagmn  
BigBlueCane : 1/12/2021 2:00 pm : link
massive "support staff' Ie, count how many times you see 'Analyst' Butch Jones on the Bama sidelines coaching up the players....


CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.

No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.
RE: Booster Support, Bagmn  
Eman11 : 1/12/2021 2:48 pm : link
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massive "support staff' Ie, count how many times you see 'Analyst' Butch Jones on the Bama sidelines coaching up the players....


CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.

No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.


3-4 teams?

You don’t think schools like Texas, OU, USC, Mich, Auburn, LSU,, Oregon, to name a few have just as big a booster following and chance to compete as the 3-4. teams there almost every year? They can certainly afford the amount of staff teams like Bama have.

I don’t think teams like Bama, Clemson and OSU have ruined the sport. I think they have set a high bar the others need to reach in order to beat them like LSU did last year,

While OU and ND have gotten in and had their shot, they just haven’t been as good and need to get better. Simple as that IMO.
RE: RE: Nebraska under Osbourne was full of scumbags  
chopperhatch : 1/12/2021 3:13 pm : link
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Nothing will ever touch Miami under Jimmy Johnson.


As others have noted, Miami was a bunch of arrogant but excellent football players. Yea Irvin did tons of blowski and Ray Lewis probably killed somebody, but that was in the pros.Nebraska was a team of steroid addled racists and girlfriend stompers.
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HomerJones45 : 1/12/2021 3:57 pm : link
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massive "support staff' Ie, count how many times you see 'Analyst' Butch Jones on the Bama sidelines coaching up the players....


CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.

No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.



3-4 teams?

You don’t think schools like Texas, OU, USC, Mich, Auburn, LSU,, Oregon, to name a few have just as big a booster following and chance to compete as the 3-4. teams there almost every year? They can certainly afford the amount of staff teams like Bama have.

I don’t think teams like Bama, Clemson and OSU have ruined the sport. I think they have set a high bar the others need to reach in order to beat them like LSU did last year,

While OU and ND have gotten in and had their shot, they just haven’t been as good and need to get better. Simple as that IMO.
When the NCAA let Newton sell his services to the highest bidder (Auburn), that opened the floodgates.

It is incredibly naive to think that an Alabama is relying on "large staffs" and its academic reputation to get players on a national basis. And no, I don't think those other schools have the "active" booster network at Alabama. Who would continue to watch the NFL if one team received draft picks 1-10 every year? It's a "high bar" alright, but not in the way you think and it is producing a bad product.
post Newton  
HomerJones45 : 1/12/2021 4:03 pm : link
in the 10 games since Newton didn't know his Dad wanted $80k for him to play, Alabama has won the "payoff" 5 times and Clemson twice. LSU is the only other team to win since 2014. Where did William Swinney come from and go to school. You guessed it; Alabama.
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Eman11 : 1/12/2021 6:02 pm : link
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massive "support staff' Ie, count how many times you see 'Analyst' Butch Jones on the Bama sidelines coaching up the players....


CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.

No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.



3-4 teams?

You don’t think schools like Texas, OU, USC, Mich, Auburn, LSU,, Oregon, to name a few have just as big a booster following and chance to compete as the 3-4. teams there almost every year? They can certainly afford the amount of staff teams like Bama have.

I don’t think teams like Bama, Clemson and OSU have ruined the sport. I think they have set a high bar the others need to reach in order to beat them like LSU did last year,

While OU and ND have gotten in and had their shot, they just haven’t been as good and need to get better. Simple as that IMO.

When the NCAA let Newton sell his services to the highest bidder (Auburn), that opened the floodgates.

It is incredibly naive to think that an Alabama is relying on "large staffs" and its academic reputation to get players on a national basis. And no, I don't think those other schools have the "active" booster network at Alabama. Who would continue to watch the NFL if one team received draft picks 1-10 every year? It's a "high bar" alright, but not in the way you think and it is producing a bad product.


Oh please. I wasn’t the one who brought up “large staffs” and I’m not naive, I know exactly what was meant by that.

We definitely disagree on thinking Bama is the only school to have that “active” a booster network. You can’t seriously believe schoosl like Texas or USC have less than Bama in that regard. Did you pay attention to the college admission scandal? People were paying $500K just to get their kids into USC!

I’ve never claimed Bama set a high bar academically just as far as how they coach and play the game. The kids they get could get into any of those other big football schools with the “perks” that come with them. It’s also pretty clear to me Bama does a much better job at getting serious athletes who have their eyes on Championships, while also eyeing pro careers. The coaching they get on the field at Bama is the best and accomplishes the goals these athletes are looking for. That’s the high bar other schools need to reach if they’re going to compete.
Whether Miami, Nebraska, or OU  
Leg of Theismann : 1/12/2021 6:05 pm : link
wins the award for biggest dirt bags, I think the main point we can all agree on is Saban has done a great job focusing just as much on recruiting AND building good character as he has good talent (okay, not JUST as much lol). Similar Belichick that's likely also a big part of why Saban's success has lasted as long as it has as opposed to just being a flash in the pan like some of the other programs we mentioned.
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