He looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy warming up out there, like it literally makes his stomach look like it's twice the size of his chest or something.
Not sure why I didn't take the opportunity to say Pillsbury Throw-Boy
He looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy warming up out there, like it literally makes his stomach look like it's twice the size of his chest or something.
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RE: RE: What the hell is the flak jacket Mac Jones plays with made out of?
He looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy warming up out there, like it literally makes his stomach look like it's twice the size of his chest or something.
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For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Go watch some highlights. The guy is dynamic. A playmaker, and they need playmakers. He doesn't have the ideal size you'd like but he can still make game changing plays. I've seen some mocks have him as the #1 WR off the board.
Go watch some highlights. The guy is dynamic. A playmaker, and they need playmakers. He doesn't have the ideal size you'd like but he can still make game changing plays. I've seen some mocks have him as the #1 WR off the board.
He’s going to run sub 4.4 if he’s heathy. He’s what we need. Two sub 4.4 guys on the outside to pair with Jones who’s downfield passing skills are excellent. Waddle is who we shove for at 11. The other guys will definitely be gone.
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
That have Smith going to the Giants. That just isn’t happening. No chance, He will be long gone, possibly top 5 but certainly top 10. Don’t even get our hopes up with that
I don’t put a lot of stock into mock drafts this early
He didn't even try to check if his WRs were set. Was quite clear with where his WRs were when he last looked at them that they were going to get a penalty for not being set if chose to snap the ball right then.
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
Umm, because he’s great at it.
We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
Go watch some highlights. The guy is dynamic. A playmaker, and they need playmakers. He doesn't have the ideal size you'd like but he can still make game changing plays. I've seen some mocks have him as the #1 WR off the board.
Highlights? Haha, okay. 5'11 183 doesnt last long in the NFL. Wait until Jamal Adams, Jalen Ramsey or Eddie Jackson or Budda Baker gets a chance to drop him like a dirty penny
If he’s the impact guy we need go get him... I’m not letting Oshane Ximenez or BJ hill get in the way of me getting a great football player for my football team
That drive stalled because they put themselves in a 1st and 15 hole
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
Umm, because he’s great at it.
We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.
That have Smith going to the Giants. That just isn’t happening. No chance, He will be long gone, possibly top 5 but certainly top 10. Don’t even get our hopes up with that
I think you’re right but really hope you’re wrong about him being gone.
If he’s the impact guy we need go get him... I’m not letting Oshane Ximenez or BJ hill get in the way of me getting a great football player for my football team
Huh? How far up do you think 2 underwhelming 3rds moves us?
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
Umm, because he’s great at it.
We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.
You really want another sprout at receiver?
If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?
And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.
Sure, on the rare occasions he doesn't call for a fair catch. He got more and more reluctant to return the ball as the season went forward.
I honestly think he is instructed to at certain field positions. I agree with your premise that the fair catches have been curious at times, but he looks like he made them so early that it seems like Judge told him not to take chances. You remember Tiki with that shit?
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
Umm, because he’s great at it.
We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.
You really want another sprout at receiver?
If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?
And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.
Waddle is not the prospect Jackson was....ever. Never ever. And even then, Jax slipped to rd. 2.
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
Umm, because he’s great at it.
We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.
You really want another sprout at receiver?
If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?
And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.
Waddle is not the prospect Jackson was....ever. Never ever. And even then, Jax slipped to rd. 2.
Waddle is not the prospect DeSean Jackson is says who? You? Jaylen Waddle will most likely be drafted in the top 20 picks several slots higher then D Jax
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
Umm, because he’s great at it.
We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.
You really want another sprout at receiver?
If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?
And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.
Waddle is not the prospect Jackson was....ever. Never ever. And even then, Jax slipped to rd. 2.
Waddle is not the prospect DeSean Jackson is says who? You? Jaylen Waddle will most likely be drafted in the top 20 picks several slots higher then D Jax
Stop with the drafting of midgets!!!
RE: It would REALLY, REALLY, REALLY suck if the Ja'Marr Chase
Why? Philly has a billion holes. The OL is putrid, the DL is getting older than hell and they have possibly the worst secondary in the NFL. The QB situation is mind boggling. They are like $60M over the cap. If they want to spend yet another 1st rounder on a WR, that’s good for us. Who’s blocking or playing defense?
going to be an absolute stud in the NFL. I wouldn’t take him over Smith or Chase but I also wouldn’t be mad with taking him at 11. He’s not just a combine burner, his speed is obvious on the field.
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
Umm, because he’s great at it.
We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.
You really want another sprout at receiver?
If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?
And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.
Waddle is not the prospect Jackson was....ever. Never ever. And even then, Jax slipped to rd. 2.
Waddle is not the prospect DeSean Jackson is says who? You? Jaylen Waddle will most likely be drafted in the top 20 picks several slots higher then D Jax
Stop with the drafting of midgets!!!
You’re right who cares about skill level height is the be all end all
has crazy talent on offense, but is no one else very impressed with Mac Jones? Daniel & Mac Jones anyone??
Not Jones per my post above. IMO he is a good college QB who looks like NFL material because of the talent around him. I much prefer Fields
Eye test is showing the opposite. Fields has the athleticism but looks scared out there to me. Jones is in complete control and never seems to panic. I think someone is going to get a steal with him in the last first, early second
has crazy talent on offense, but is no one else very impressed with Mac Jones? Daniel & Mac Jones anyone??
Not Jones per my post above. IMO he is a good college QB who looks like NFL material because of the talent around him. I much prefer Fields
Eye test is showing the opposite. Fields has the athleticism but looks scared out there to me. Jones is in complete control and never seems to panic. I think someone is going to get a steal with him in the last first, early second
I could definitely be wrong. I've just seen this a lot of times (since I'm now old). He gets a lot of time, hits open receivers who will be #1 picks, etc. However you never know. Its clear though that Smith and couple OL players are 1st round talent
he's ripping up the #2 team in the country single- handedly.
I'd love to draft him
He's a terrific player, but a ton of this is scheme.
And OSU just short on healthy talent.
Agreed its scheme. However in big games I look for who they are "scheming" to get open, its obviously who they think is their best player. They are running their whole offense through Smith tonight, even running plays
which he’s very good at. Ohio State DB’s can’t get near him in coverage. At the beginning of the year, that was one skill that people thought he was better than Waddle at.
You never answered the question. Would you take a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy at 11?
So youre asking me if I could be guaranteed of a prospect having the success of Dijon Jackson at 11, would I draft him there? That's a dumb ass question. Because:
A) of course I would
B) there is no way you can come close to guaranteeing Waddle is a 10k yard receiver and top all time PR
C) The Eagles and 32 other teams didnt think that about Desean coming out of college because he lasted till the 2nd.
Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.
Can we stop with the meaningless win whining. Eagles need QB and OLine more than WR. Giants need almost everything. Would love to get Smith but I would worry a little about his extremely slender build.
You never answered the question. Would you take a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy at 11?
So youre asking me if I could be guaranteed of a prospect having the success of Dijon Jackson at 11, would I draft him there? That's a dumb ass question. Because:
A) of course I would
B) there is no way you can come close to guaranteeing Waddle is a 10k yard receiver and top all time PR
C) The Eagles and 32 other teams didnt think that about Desean coming out of college because he lasted till the 2nd.
Horrible argument.
No, I was asking you that because of your lack of size comment.
In other words did you dismiss DJax too because of his size? If so, and knowing how he excelled regardless of it, why would you dismiss Waddle because of it? Did the lack of size prevent DJax from being a game breaker and a very successful NFL player?
I think they’re done now. Even if Fields lights it up in the 2nd half, OSU has shown no reason to believe they can stop or even limit Bama from scoring.
You never answered the question. Would you take a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy at 11?
So youre asking me if I could be guaranteed of a prospect having the success of Dijon Jackson at 11, would I draft him there? That's a dumb ass question. Because:
A) of course I would
B) there is no way you can come close to guaranteeing Waddle is a 10k yard receiver and top all time PR
C) The Eagles and 32 other teams didnt think that about Desean coming out of college because he lasted till the 2nd.
Horrible argument.
No, I was asking you that because of your lack of size comment.
In other words did you dismiss DJax too because of his size? If so, and knowing how he excelled regardless of it, why would you dismiss Waddle because of it? Did the lack of size prevent DJax from being a game breaker and a very successful NFL player?
Waddle has all the tools to be as productive IMO.
Fair enough, but Waddle has already gotten hurt in college. You do realize guys like Marvin Harrison and Jackson are incredible anomalies in the league right.
Fuck it...Id much rather take a chance on Pitts than another TINK receiver.
even though I’m skeptical of how he’d fit but I’ll just have to defer to the OC on that, whoever it is. Waddle is exciting but I just don’t trust guys that size. Tyreek Hill is just built way more compact and can take hits, and also wasn’t a top 10/11 investment.
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
Not that I'd be opposed to Waddle but we already have the all time collegiate record holder for return TDs on our team.
You never answered the question. Would you take a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy at 11?
So youre asking me if I could be guaranteed of a prospect having the success of Dijon Jackson at 11, would I draft him there? That's a dumb ass question. Because:
A) of course I would
B) there is no way you can come close to guaranteeing Waddle is a 10k yard receiver and top all time PR
C) The Eagles and 32 other teams didnt think that about Desean coming out of college because he lasted till the 2nd.
Horrible argument.
No, I was asking you that because of your lack of size comment.
In other words did you dismiss DJax too because of his size? If so, and knowing how he excelled regardless of it, why would you dismiss Waddle because of it? Did the lack of size prevent DJax from being a game breaker and a very successful NFL player?
Waddle has all the tools to be as productive IMO.
Fair enough, but Waddle has already gotten hurt in college. You do realize guys like Marvin Harrison and Jackson are incredible anomalies in the league right.
Fuck it...Id much rather take a chance on Pitts than another TINK receiver.
Yes, I realize that. I just feel the guy is special, will be a really good pro and can help us big time.
As for his injury, pretty sure getting his ankle rolled and broken really wasn’t size related. That play could and does happen to players bigger than him as well.
I’m actually more impressed by his work ethic, rehab, and drive to get back for this game.Let alone playing in pain, than I am worried about him being too small.
Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.
I never understand these posts. I get a fan rooting for a loss, but who are you angry at, the players because they tried to win, or the fans here who rooted for those wins?
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
Not that I'd be opposed to Waddle but we already have the all time collegiate record holder for return TDs on our team.
Samuels ran a 4.31. He is not as quick as youd like, but he is plenty sturdy. I will take that guy running croossers and skinny posts and jet sweeps while Slayton stays outside.
If we signed that guy, I would be all in on Pitts as long as Parsons and Surtain were not available.
the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.
Very good point.
Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.
True, but you make it sound like Smith and Waddle are playing against weak competition and that they're two tiny dudes. Smith is 6'1" and will put on some weight in the league.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think some of you underestimate just how physical and big
the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.
Very good point.
Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.
True, but you make it sound like Smith and Waddle are playing against weak competition and that they're two tiny dudes. Smith is 6'1" and will put on some weight in the league.
I never said anything that remotely resembled that
RE: RE: RE: I think some of you underestimate just how physical and big
the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.
Very good point.
Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.
Well the SEC did have 64 players drafted in the last draft. Don’t have the numbers from prior years but they put a heck of a lot of players into the league.
Point is, Smith, and Waddle do play against big, fast, talented players just about every game. Obviously not as many as in an NFL game but the SEC is a pretty good barometer for them to be evaluated by as it is for everyone else who plays in that conference.
the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.
Very good point.
Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.
Well the SEC did have 64 players drafted in the last draft. Don’t have the numbers from prior years but they put a heck of a lot of players into the league.
Point is, Smith, and Waddle do play against big, fast, talented players just about every game. Obviously not as many as in an NFL game but the SEC is a pretty good barometer for them to be evaluated by as it is for everyone else who plays in that conference.
Ok cool. Im not arguing this any more. I just seem to think we need a more physical receiving threat than a couple of guys who are very light in the ass.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think some of you underestimate just how physical and big
the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.
Very good point.
Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.
Well the SEC did have 64 players drafted in the last draft. Don’t have the numbers from prior years but they put a heck of a lot of players into the league.
Point is, Smith, and Waddle do play against big, fast, talented players just about every game. Obviously not as many as in an NFL game but the SEC is a pretty good barometer for them to be evaluated by as it is for everyone else who plays in that conference.
Ok cool. Im not arguing this any more. I just seem to think we need a more physical receiving threat than a couple of guys who are very light in the ass.
Yeah that’s cool. I’m done too. I appreciate the back and forth but we just have to agree to disagree on these guys.
FTR I’d love it if both were bigger too, but I’m not gonna pass on them because they aren’t but I get you and others would. It’s all good though. Different strokes and we’ll just have to watch this all play out going forward with their careers.
What a program Saban has built there. Fully deserving. Yea, maybe most kids use him for football and he does the same, but they are practically all great kids, solid to great pros with great characters....he is a great coach and deserves to be recognized as the best ever.
What a program Saban has built there. Fully deserving. Yea, maybe most kids use him for football and he does the same, but they are practically all great kids, solid to great pros with great characters....he is a great coach and deserves to be recognized as the best ever.
I agree they almost always end up being great dudes. What more can you really ask for from Saban. It’s not like when all the guys who graduated from Miami had problematic characters more often than not.
What a program Saban has built there. Fully deserving. Yea, maybe most kids use him for football and he does the same, but they are practically all great kids, solid to great pros with great characters....he is a great coach and deserves to be recognized as the best ever.
I agree they almost always end up being great dudes. What more can you really ask for from Saban. It’s not like when all the guys who graduated from Miami had problematic characters more often than not.
Nebraska was worse.
RE: I think Mac Jones ends up going in the top 10.
What a program Saban has built there. Fully deserving. Yea, maybe most kids use him for football and he does the same, but they are practically all great kids, solid to great pros with great characters....he is a great coach and deserves to be recognized as the best ever.
I agree they almost always end up being great dudes. What more can you really ask for from Saban. It’s not like when all the guys who graduated from Miami had problematic characters more often than not.
just assholes, arrogant, showboaters, etc. Any off-field issues for the most part centered around money, which probably was and still is happening around most programs.
As mentioned, Nebraska had actual bad characters - Phillips, Christian Peter, etc.
Agree with those complimenting Saban. He was built a incredible program in all facets. Team first, very talented and high character.
This coach loses a coordinator like every year. He loses players to the NFL every year many early entrants. Yet, year in and year out that team performs. It is incredible. He rebuilt Michigan State, LSU and now Alabama. Truly the best in the game.
Sark really had a great year. Good to see him getting another chance at Texas. I can't imaging a top QB not wanting to play for him. Texas will challenge Oklahoma in short order imo.
its part of my own crazy armchair GM moves that I would make which include getting an outside WR via FA, someone big bodied who can make the tough catch - like Allen Robinson. Part of this fake plan is also cutting Shepard, drafting Waddle and putting him in the slot. So you'd have Robinson/Slayton outside, Waddle in the slot and Barkley in the backfield. I think they win a ton of games this way.
Alabama's motion offense last night destroyed OS defense
They reacted terribly to motion all night long leaving WR's wide open.
Saban is truly one of the great college coaches in history. Alabama consistently under Saban brings in top 3 recruiting classes with high character every year.
Saban also made a strategic change in his philosophy to a more high powered offense versus stout defense about 5 years ago bringing him his last 2 national titles.
It was kind of a blowout but I did enjoy this game
two really well coached teams. I think Ryan Day is terrific (even if he looks like a human lizard king) abd OSU fans should be excited and hope he doesn't get called to the NFL. Imo, why wouldn't the Jets look at him.
Bama is just lights out coached, plus they have terrific talent. We can only hope Judge has the same effect on the Giants.
its part of my own crazy armchair GM moves that I would make which include getting an outside WR via FA, someone big bodied who can make the tough catch - like Allen Robinson. Part of this fake plan is also cutting Shepard, drafting Waddle and putting him in the slot. So you'd have Robinson/Slayton outside, Waddle in the slot and Barkley in the backfield. I think they win a ton of games this way.
You draft Waddle at 11 to be a slot receiver? I think Shepard is fine at slot. Quick guy with good hands that can block and get open.
Too bad his ankle is still hurting. Would like to have seen him at full tilt because compared to Smith - well there is no comparison.
RE: Alabama's motion offense last night destroyed OS defense
They reacted terribly to motion all night long leaving WR's wide open.
Saban is truly one of the great college coaches in history. Alabama consistently under Saban brings in top 3 recruiting classes with high character every year.
Saban also made a strategic change in his philosophy to a more high powered offense versus stout defense about 5 years ago bringing him his last 2 national titles.
Totally agree and noticed this a few years ago. When Malzahn came into Auburn and then Sumlin he adjusted. He counter pounced the uptempo spread with heavily recruiting/develping the WR's while keeping the power running game.
its part of my own crazy armchair GM moves that I would make which include getting an outside WR via FA, someone big bodied who can make the tough catch - like Allen Robinson. Part of this fake plan is also cutting Shepard, drafting Waddle and putting him in the slot. So you'd have Robinson/Slayton outside, Waddle in the slot and Barkley in the backfield. I think they win a ton of games this way.
You draft Waddle at 11 to be a slot receiver? I think Shepard is fine at slot. Quick guy with good hands that can block and get open.
Too bad his ankle is still hurting. Would like to have seen him at full tilt because compared to Smith - well there is no comparison.
I do, again pending his ankle checking out. I think the Giants need who can win these matchups and Waddle vs the slot corner I think tilts the field. I like SHep but I think he's way overpaid for what he brings. I think Waddle would bring a homerun threat to the slot.
Part of why this CFP was a dud. We had three blowouts which were not competitive games in the 4th quarter
The whole thing is a dud. Down 9 million viewers from the year before. The NCAA lets a few teams send their bagmen around to collect players and run what is essentially a full-time professional program on a college campus for the sole purpose of a made-for-tv event that it can sell.
RE: RE: Alabama was on a different level to everyone else
Part of why this CFP was a dud. We had three blowouts which were not competitive games in the 4th quarter
The whole thing is a dud. Down 9 million viewers from the year before. The NCAA lets a few teams send their bagmen around to collect players and run what is essentially a full-time professional program on a college campus for the sole purpose of a made-for-tv event that it can sell.
It isn’t the bagmen. Most these power programs have that. It’s that the boosters at Clemson OSU and Bama are above and beyond and they pay the big bucks for the massive staffs, trainers, and coaches that are NFL level. That’s what’s really expensive, the players are fairly cheap.
becoming so innovative offensively almost shouldn't be allowed. Full marks to Saban for adapting with the times. They made a great Ohio State team (albeit a bit limited defensively this season) look comical with the ways they were utilizing Smith in various ways.
I love Ryan Day, but I think he got a lot wrong tonight. The defensive gameplan, very rarely deviating from base defnese with multiple linebackers on the field, was never going to work against this offense. And the option of kicking/punting shouldn't have been there unless absolutely necessary. At 21-14 inside the ten after the targeting, that has to be four down territory. The Sermon injury was rough, he was going to be a huge part of the gameplan to control the ball and also use him as a pass catcher. But that doesn't change what happened on defense.
Great season, just thankful we got to have it at all given where things were at in the summer. Full credit to Tide. That may be Saban's best team
massive "support staff' Ie, count how many times you see 'Analyst' Butch Jones on the Bama sidelines coaching up the players....
CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.
No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.
3-4 teams?
You don’t think schools like Texas, OU, USC, Mich, Auburn, LSU,, Oregon, to name a few have just as big a booster following and chance to compete as the 3-4. teams there almost every year? They can certainly afford the amount of staff teams like Bama have.
I don’t think teams like Bama, Clemson and OSU have ruined the sport. I think they have set a high bar the others need to reach in order to beat them like LSU did last year,
While OU and ND have gotten in and had their shot, they just haven’t been as good and need to get better. Simple as that IMO.
RE: RE: Nebraska under Osbourne was full of scumbags
Nothing will ever touch Miami under Jimmy Johnson.
As others have noted, Miami was a bunch of arrogant but excellent football players. Yea Irvin did tons of blowski and Ray Lewis probably killed somebody, but that was in the pros.Nebraska was a team of steroid addled racists and girlfriend stompers.
massive "support staff' Ie, count how many times you see 'Analyst' Butch Jones on the Bama sidelines coaching up the players....
CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.
No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.
3-4 teams?
You don’t think schools like Texas, OU, USC, Mich, Auburn, LSU,, Oregon, to name a few have just as big a booster following and chance to compete as the 3-4. teams there almost every year? They can certainly afford the amount of staff teams like Bama have.
I don’t think teams like Bama, Clemson and OSU have ruined the sport. I think they have set a high bar the others need to reach in order to beat them like LSU did last year,
While OU and ND have gotten in and had their shot, they just haven’t been as good and need to get better. Simple as that IMO.
When the NCAA let Newton sell his services to the highest bidder (Auburn), that opened the floodgates.
It is incredibly naive to think that an Alabama is relying on "large staffs" and its academic reputation to get players on a national basis. And no, I don't think those other schools have the "active" booster network at Alabama. Who would continue to watch the NFL if one team received draft picks 1-10 every year? It's a "high bar" alright, but not in the way you think and it is producing a bad product.
in the 10 games since Newton didn't know his Dad wanted $80k for him to play, Alabama has won the "payoff" 5 times and Clemson twice. LSU is the only other team to win since 2014. Where did William Swinney come from and go to school. You guessed it; Alabama.
massive "support staff' Ie, count how many times you see 'Analyst' Butch Jones on the Bama sidelines coaching up the players....
CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.
No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.
3-4 teams?
You don’t think schools like Texas, OU, USC, Mich, Auburn, LSU,, Oregon, to name a few have just as big a booster following and chance to compete as the 3-4. teams there almost every year? They can certainly afford the amount of staff teams like Bama have.
I don’t think teams like Bama, Clemson and OSU have ruined the sport. I think they have set a high bar the others need to reach in order to beat them like LSU did last year,
While OU and ND have gotten in and had their shot, they just haven’t been as good and need to get better. Simple as that IMO.
When the NCAA let Newton sell his services to the highest bidder (Auburn), that opened the floodgates.
It is incredibly naive to think that an Alabama is relying on "large staffs" and its academic reputation to get players on a national basis. And no, I don't think those other schools have the "active" booster network at Alabama. Who would continue to watch the NFL if one team received draft picks 1-10 every year? It's a "high bar" alright, but not in the way you think and it is producing a bad product.
Oh please. I wasn’t the one who brought up “large staffs” and I’m not naive, I know exactly what was meant by that.
We definitely disagree on thinking Bama is the only school to have that “active” a booster network. You can’t seriously believe schoosl like Texas or USC have less than Bama in that regard. Did you pay attention to the college admission scandal? People were paying $500K just to get their kids into USC!
I’ve never claimed Bama set a high bar academically just as far as how they coach and play the game. The kids they get could get into any of those other big football schools with the “perks” that come with them. It’s also pretty clear to me Bama does a much better job at getting serious athletes who have their eyes on Championships, while also eyeing pro careers. The coaching they get on the field at Bama is the best and accomplishes the goals these athletes are looking for. That’s the high bar other schools need to reach if they’re going to compete.
wins the award for biggest dirt bags, I think the main point we can all agree on is Saban has done a great job focusing just as much on recruiting AND building good character as he has good talent (okay, not JUST as much lol). Similar Belichick that's likely also a big part of why Saban's success has lasted as long as it has as opposed to just being a flash in the pan like some of the other programs we mentioned.
Alabama wins. 27-17.
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This might be the longest subject tittle in BBI history
Not as long as your mom's tittle!
(sorry lol couldn't resist)
My guess is Alabama smokes OSU, 38-21
And I hope the Ohio State front four can apply enough pressure so the Ohio State back end can hold up.
If they can't, I can see Bama winning pretty big 45-28.
If the front four can deliver, this could be a 38-35 contest.
That's why we want Smith, but he'll likely be gone by #11.
And just poor tackling by OSU here.
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
That’s pretty cool. TV sports are way behind what’s possible with technology.
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
What an answer by OSU.
Smith is only 174 lbs.
Waddle is 181, but 3 inches shorter, so he's more thicker-built than Smith, and honestly 5-10, 181 is pretty standard for a slot receiver in the NFL.
If anything if we were worrying about size I'd worry about Smith being too slight of frame to stake NFL hits (but I'm not worried).
Steve Smith, Deshaun Jackson, a couple of guys up in NE to name a few who were around for a while.
He’s going to run sub 4.4 if he’s heathy. He’s what we need. Two sub 4.4 guys on the outside to pair with Jones who’s downfield passing skills are excellent. Waddle is who we shove for at 11. The other guys will definitely be gone.
Oh Yeah!!!!!! Ohio State 1st quarter done and done
I hope everyone took the over.
It looks like we'll see a lot of offense tonight.
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
Umm, because he’s great at it.
We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
Highlights? Haha, okay. 5'11 183 doesnt last long in the NFL. Wait until Jamal Adams, Jalen Ramsey or Eddie Jackson or Budda Baker gets a chance to drop him like a dirty penny
Agreed. And I think it's going to work. 21-7 in a few seconds here.
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
Umm, because he’s great at it.
We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.
You really want another sprout at receiver?
I think you’re right but really hope you’re wrong about him being gone.
Huh? How far up do you think 2 underwhelming 3rds moves us?
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Agreed. And I think it's going to work. 21-7 in a few seconds here.
Great call
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
Umm, because he’s great at it.
We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.
You really want another sprout at receiver?
If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?
And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.
Or top-3. Dolphins could use a WR...
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Or top-3. Dolphins could use a WR...
I can’t see Sewell dropping out of the top 3, so it would have to be the Jets passing on Fields
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Or top-3. Dolphins could use a WR...
I can’t see Sewell dropping out of the top 3, so it would have to be the Jets passing on Fields
Same. Depends on the trades. Maybe Dolphins trade for Watson...Who knows, but the next few months should be very interesting.
Yep. Second best RB in this class behind Travis Etienne Jr.
No kidding. Clothesline by Leatherby.
Oops - Najee Harris just became the “Somebody else.”
I’d give LSU an edge at QB and a slight one at OL maybe but it’s close there and everywhere else.
You prefer him over Smith? Sucks we didn’t get to watch him play this year
I honestly think he is instructed to at certain field positions. I agree with your premise that the fair catches have been curious at times, but he looks like he made them so early that it seems like Judge told him not to take chances. You remember Tiki with that shit?
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
Umm, because he’s great at it.
We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.
You really want another sprout at receiver?
If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?
And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.
Waddle is not the prospect Jackson was....ever. Never ever. And even then, Jax slipped to rd. 2.
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
Umm, because he’s great at it.
We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.
You really want another sprout at receiver?
If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?
And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.
Waddle is not the prospect Jackson was....ever. Never ever. And even then, Jax slipped to rd. 2.
Waddle is not the prospect DeSean Jackson is says who? You? Jaylen Waddle will most likely be drafted in the top 20 picks several slots higher then D Jax
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
Umm, because he’s great at it.
We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.
You really want another sprout at receiver?
If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?
And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.
Waddle is not the prospect Jackson was....ever. Never ever. And even then, Jax slipped to rd. 2.
Waddle is not the prospect DeSean Jackson is says who? You? Jaylen Waddle will most likely be drafted in the top 20 picks several slots higher then D Jax
Stop with the drafting of midgets!!!
Why? Philly has a billion holes. The OL is putrid, the DL is getting older than hell and they have possibly the worst secondary in the NFL. The QB situation is mind boggling. They are like $60M over the cap. If they want to spend yet another 1st rounder on a WR, that’s good for us. Who’s blocking or playing defense?
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
He’d add a much needed dimension to not imply our O but our specials as well. If Smith is gone, he’s the guy I want.
Um yea, Samuel. Although why do we need him to return punts?
Umm, because he’s great at it.
We need playmakers and he can make them in several ways. Why wouldn’t we want to use all his skills? Or anyone else’s for that matter?
Peppers is good at them too....plus he is about 40 lbs heavier than Waddle and wont die if he cuts the wrong way.
You really want another sprout at receiver?
If we could add a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy, you’d pass?
And I didn’t say Waddle was just good at returning punts, I said he was great at it. While I do think Peppers is pretty good when he’s not fair catching, I haven’t seen him be close to great there. At least not yet in Blue.
Waddle is not the prospect Jackson was....ever. Never ever. And even then, Jax slipped to rd. 2.
Waddle is not the prospect DeSean Jackson is says who? You? Jaylen Waddle will most likely be drafted in the top 20 picks several slots higher then D Jax
Stop with the drafting of midgets!!!
You’re right who cares about skill level height is the be all end all
Not Jones per my post above. IMO he is a good college QB who looks like NFL material because of the talent around him. I much prefer Fields
I don’t watch much Bama but every time I do he looks good
I don’t watch much Bama but every time I do he looks good
Yes, likely end of 1st or 2nd round pick
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has crazy talent on offense, but is no one else very impressed with Mac Jones? Daniel & Mac Jones anyone??
Not Jones per my post above. IMO he is a good college QB who looks like NFL material because of the talent around him. I much prefer Fields
Eye test is showing the opposite. Fields has the athleticism but looks scared out there to me. Jones is in complete control and never seems to panic. I think someone is going to get a steal with him in the last first, early second
I'd love to draft him
I'd love to draft him
He's a terrific player, but a ton of this is scheme.
And OSU just short on healthy talent.
Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.
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has crazy talent on offense, but is no one else very impressed with Mac Jones? Daniel & Mac Jones anyone??
Not Jones per my post above. IMO he is a good college QB who looks like NFL material because of the talent around him. I much prefer Fields
Eye test is showing the opposite. Fields has the athleticism but looks scared out there to me. Jones is in complete control and never seems to panic. I think someone is going to get a steal with him in the last first, early second
I could definitely be wrong. I've just seen this a lot of times (since I'm now old). He gets a lot of time, hits open receivers who will be #1 picks, etc. However you never know. Its clear though that Smith and couple OL players are 1st round talent
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I'd love to draft him
He's a terrific player, but a ton of this is scheme.
And OSU just short on healthy talent.
Agreed its scheme. However in big games I look for who they are "scheming" to get open, its obviously who they think is their best player. They are running their whole offense through Smith tonight, even running plays
He's played in the SEC.
He'll be ok
He'll gain 10 pounds of muscle and at at 185. Which is still light, but still
Currently
12 for 215 and 3td
Its only the 1st half so you might have picked the under LOL
Again this D he looks like Rice 😆
So youre asking me if I could be guaranteed of a prospect having the success of Dijon Jackson at 11, would I draft him there? That's a dumb ass question. Because:
A) of course I would
B) there is no way you can come close to guaranteeing Waddle is a 10k yard receiver and top all time PR
C) The Eagles and 32 other teams didnt think that about Desean coming out of college because he lasted till the 2nd.
Horrible argument.
Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.
Can we stop with the meaningless win whining. Eagles need QB and OLine more than WR. Giants need almost everything. Would love to get Smith but I would worry a little about his extremely slender build.
Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.
Its gotta be a real possibility with Tua already there.
Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.
Ah. We are back to bitching about the Giants winning games. For fuck sake. This fan base sucks ass
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Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.
Its gotta be a real possibility with Tua already there.
Yup, Tua needs a WR badly. Devante Parker is his best WR and he's a #2 guy
Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.
...there is no such thing as a few meaningless games. Use Eagles tank and subsequent outrage for proof.
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Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.
Ah. We are back to bitching about the Giants winning games. For fuck sake. This fan base sucks ass
It’s unreal. Couldn’t imagine viewing sports through this lens, pure misery.
Mac Jones accuracy is also impressive
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You never answered the question. Would you take a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy at 11?
So youre asking me if I could be guaranteed of a prospect having the success of Dijon Jackson at 11, would I draft him there? That's a dumb ass question. Because:
A) of course I would
B) there is no way you can come close to guaranteeing Waddle is a 10k yard receiver and top all time PR
C) The Eagles and 32 other teams didnt think that about Desean coming out of college because he lasted till the 2nd.
Horrible argument.
No, I was asking you that because of your lack of size comment.
In other words did you dismiss DJax too because of his size? If so, and knowing how he excelled regardless of it, why would you dismiss Waddle because of it? Did the lack of size prevent DJax from being a game breaker and a very successful NFL player?
Waddle has all the tools to be as productive IMO.
I guess you missed it. Kirk said it right away and then showed it on the replay. How and why the LB ended up on him.
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Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.
Ah. We are back to bitching about the Giants winning games. For fuck sake. This fan base sucks ass
It’s unreal. Couldn’t imagine viewing sports through this lens, pure misery.
I really hope we don’t win a meaningless super bowl in 2026 and take ourselves out of the running to draft Arch Manning that year
I think they’re done now. Even if Fields lights it up in the 2nd half, OSU has shown no reason to believe they can stop or even limit Bama from scoring.
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You never answered the question. Would you take a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy at 11?
So youre asking me if I could be guaranteed of a prospect having the success of Dijon Jackson at 11, would I draft him there? That's a dumb ass question. Because:
A) of course I would
B) there is no way you can come close to guaranteeing Waddle is a 10k yard receiver and top all time PR
C) The Eagles and 32 other teams didnt think that about Desean coming out of college because he lasted till the 2nd.
Horrible argument.
No, I was asking you that because of your lack of size comment.
In other words did you dismiss DJax too because of his size? If so, and knowing how he excelled regardless of it, why would you dismiss Waddle because of it? Did the lack of size prevent DJax from being a game breaker and a very successful NFL player?
Waddle has all the tools to be as productive IMO.
Fair enough, but Waddle has already gotten hurt in college. You do realize guys like Marvin Harrison and Jackson are incredible anomalies in the league right.
Fuck it...Id much rather take a chance on Pitts than another TINK receiver.
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For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
Not that I'd be opposed to Waddle but we already have the all time collegiate record holder for return TDs on our team.
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You never answered the question. Would you take a Deshaun Jackson in his prime type guy at 11?
So youre asking me if I could be guaranteed of a prospect having the success of Dijon Jackson at 11, would I draft him there? That's a dumb ass question. Because:
A) of course I would
B) there is no way you can come close to guaranteeing Waddle is a 10k yard receiver and top all time PR
C) The Eagles and 32 other teams didnt think that about Desean coming out of college because he lasted till the 2nd.
Horrible argument.
No, I was asking you that because of your lack of size comment.
In other words did you dismiss DJax too because of his size? If so, and knowing how he excelled regardless of it, why would you dismiss Waddle because of it? Did the lack of size prevent DJax from being a game breaker and a very successful NFL player?
Waddle has all the tools to be as productive IMO.
Fair enough, but Waddle has already gotten hurt in college. You do realize guys like Marvin Harrison and Jackson are incredible anomalies in the league right.
Fuck it...Id much rather take a chance on Pitts than another TINK receiver.
Yes, I realize that. I just feel the guy is special, will be a really good pro and can help us big time.
As for his injury, pretty sure getting his ankle rolled and broken really wasn’t size related. That play could and does happen to players bigger than him as well.
I’m actually more impressed by his work ethic, rehab, and drive to get back for this game.Let alone playing in pain, than I am worried about him being too small.
Yeah...that finger is done
Going to the Eagles as a result of the Giants winning a few games that mean nothing in the grand scheme would be a total nightmare.
I never understand these posts. I get a fan rooting for a loss, but who are you angry at, the players because they tried to win, or the fans here who rooted for those wins?
Either case makes no sense.
Yes. Just mentioned it in the Devonte Smith thread.
Where do the Pats pick?
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Hope he’s part of the game plan,
For those of you advocating Waddle....he is TINY. The whole big receiver thing I am into, but we can sign a small, fast, sturdy guy in FA for not that much in Samuel.
Yeah but can we sign one as fast or as much of a game breaker as Waddle, who’s also about as dangerous a punt returner as could be?
Not that I'd be opposed to Waddle but we already have the all time collegiate record holder for return TDs on our team.
Samuels ran a 4.31. He is not as quick as youd like, but he is plenty sturdy. I will take that guy running croossers and skinny posts and jet sweeps while Slayton stays outside.
If we signed that guy, I would be all in on Pitts as long as Parsons and Surtain were not available.
We don't agree on a lot, but this is a valid concern.
See some Tom Brady with some better wheels...
I think we can't possibly know that unless an NFL team starts him for 3 years :)
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quarterback. He’s a slightly better version of AJ McCarron.
See some Tom Brady with some better wheels...
I hate to say it but if they let DT walk....
That OSU D is exhausted. But Proctor has made some plays.
Very good point.
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.
Very good point.
Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.
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would look good in Blue.
I hate to say it but if they let DT walk....
Exactly what I was thinking. CBS has him #2 DL and #27 overall. Doubt he makes it to 42.
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.
Very good point.
Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.
True, but you make it sound like Smith and Waddle are playing against weak competition and that they're two tiny dudes. Smith is 6'1" and will put on some weight in the league.
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.
Very good point.
Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.
True, but you make it sound like Smith and Waddle are playing against weak competition and that they're two tiny dudes. Smith is 6'1" and will put on some weight in the league.
I never said anything that remotely resembled that
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.
Very good point.
Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.
Well the SEC did have 64 players drafted in the last draft. Don’t have the numbers from prior years but they put a heck of a lot of players into the league.
Point is, Smith, and Waddle do play against big, fast, talented players just about every game. Obviously not as many as in an NFL game but the SEC is a pretty good barometer for them to be evaluated by as it is for everyone else who plays in that conference.
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These are both very good college players, but I just cant see them holding up in the pros.
We don't agree on a lot, but this is a valid concern.
Im glad. Bw, I dont take joy in disagreeing woth a poster who obviously pays very close attention to the game as you do.
Just dont go looking at this as the Treaty of BBI (see what I did there? Rhymes with Versailles) 👽😷
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.
Very good point.
Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.
Well the SEC did have 64 players drafted in the last draft. Don’t have the numbers from prior years but they put a heck of a lot of players into the league.
Point is, Smith, and Waddle do play against big, fast, talented players just about every game. Obviously not as many as in an NFL game but the SEC is a pretty good barometer for them to be evaluated by as it is for everyone else who plays in that conference.
Ok cool. Im not arguing this any more. I just seem to think we need a more physical receiving threat than a couple of guys who are very light in the ass.
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the players are in the SEC. Smith and Waddle weren't playing in a the Colonial.
Very good point.
Thats fine....EVERYBODY in the NFL is bigger, stronger and faster than the SEC in the NFL.
Well the SEC did have 64 players drafted in the last draft. Don’t have the numbers from prior years but they put a heck of a lot of players into the league.
Point is, Smith, and Waddle do play against big, fast, talented players just about every game. Obviously not as many as in an NFL game but the SEC is a pretty good barometer for them to be evaluated by as it is for everyone else who plays in that conference.
Ok cool. Im not arguing this any more. I just seem to think we need a more physical receiving threat than a couple of guys who are very light in the ass.
Yeah that’s cool. I’m done too. I appreciate the back and forth but we just have to agree to disagree on these guys.
FTR I’d love it if both were bigger too, but I’m not gonna pass on them because they aren’t but I get you and others would. It’s all good though. Different strokes and we’ll just have to watch this all play out going forward with their careers.
I agree they almost always end up being great dudes. What more can you really ask for from Saban. It’s not like when all the guys who graduated from Miami had problematic characters more often than not.
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What a program Saban has built there. Fully deserving. Yea, maybe most kids use him for football and he does the same, but they are practically all great kids, solid to great pros with great characters....he is a great coach and deserves to be recognized as the best ever.
I agree they almost always end up being great dudes. What more can you really ask for from Saban. It’s not like when all the guys who graduated from Miami had problematic characters more often than not.
Nebraska was worse.
+10!
Bet,? He's a for sure 1st round talent and selection.
He has oevos grandes and mske excellent decisions.
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What a program Saban has built there. Fully deserving. Yea, maybe most kids use him for football and he does the same, but they are practically all great kids, solid to great pros with great characters....he is a great coach and deserves to be recognized as the best ever.
I agree they almost always end up being great dudes. What more can you really ask for from Saban. It’s not like when all the guys who graduated from Miami had problematic characters more often than not.
Nebraska was worse.
Nebraska was worse than Miami? ok...
Now please retire. (I know he's got 5-7 more yrs in him...)
Regards,
A Worn Out Aggie
Nothing will ever touch Miami under Jimmy Johnson.
Yes OU under Switzer was bad. The U under Johnson was the worst.
As mentioned, Nebraska had actual bad characters - Phillips, Christian Peter, etc.
This coach loses a coordinator like every year. He loses players to the NFL every year many early entrants. Yet, year in and year out that team performs. It is incredible. He rebuilt Michigan State, LSU and now Alabama. Truly the best in the game.
Sark really had a great year. Good to see him getting another chance at Texas. I can't imaging a top QB not wanting to play for him. Texas will challenge Oklahoma in short order imo.
Saban is truly one of the great college coaches in history. Alabama consistently under Saban brings in top 3 recruiting classes with high character every year.
Saban also made a strategic change in his philosophy to a more high powered offense versus stout defense about 5 years ago bringing him his last 2 national titles.
Bama is just lights out coached, plus they have terrific talent. We can only hope Judge has the same effect on the Giants.
You draft Waddle at 11 to be a slot receiver? I think Shepard is fine at slot. Quick guy with good hands that can block and get open.
Too bad his ankle is still hurting. Would like to have seen him at full tilt because compared to Smith - well there is no comparison.
Saban is truly one of the great college coaches in history. Alabama consistently under Saban brings in top 3 recruiting classes with high character every year.
Saban also made a strategic change in his philosophy to a more high powered offense versus stout defense about 5 years ago bringing him his last 2 national titles.
Totally agree and noticed this a few years ago. When Malzahn came into Auburn and then Sumlin he adjusted. He counter pounced the uptempo spread with heavily recruiting/develping the WR's while keeping the power running game.
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its part of my own crazy armchair GM moves that I would make which include getting an outside WR via FA, someone big bodied who can make the tough catch - like Allen Robinson. Part of this fake plan is also cutting Shepard, drafting Waddle and putting him in the slot. So you'd have Robinson/Slayton outside, Waddle in the slot and Barkley in the backfield. I think they win a ton of games this way.
You draft Waddle at 11 to be a slot receiver? I think Shepard is fine at slot. Quick guy with good hands that can block and get open.
Too bad his ankle is still hurting. Would like to have seen him at full tilt because compared to Smith - well there is no comparison.
I do, again pending his ankle checking out. I think the Giants need who can win these matchups and Waddle vs the slot corner I think tilts the field. I like SHep but I think he's way overpaid for what he brings. I think Waddle would bring a homerun threat to the slot.
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Part of why this CFP was a dud. We had three blowouts which were not competitive games in the 4th quarter
The whole thing is a dud. Down 9 million viewers from the year before. The NCAA lets a few teams send their bagmen around to collect players and run what is essentially a full-time professional program on a college campus for the sole purpose of a made-for-tv event that it can sell.
It isn’t the bagmen. Most these power programs have that. It’s that the boosters at Clemson OSU and Bama are above and beyond and they pay the big bucks for the massive staffs, trainers, and coaches that are NFL level. That’s what’s really expensive, the players are fairly cheap.
I love Ryan Day, but I think he got a lot wrong tonight. The defensive gameplan, very rarely deviating from base defnese with multiple linebackers on the field, was never going to work against this offense. And the option of kicking/punting shouldn't have been there unless absolutely necessary. At 21-14 inside the ten after the targeting, that has to be four down territory. The Sermon injury was rough, he was going to be a huge part of the gameplan to control the ball and also use him as a pass catcher. But that doesn't change what happened on defense.
Great season, just thankful we got to have it at all given where things were at in the summer. Full credit to Tide. That may be Saban's best team
CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.
No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.
CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.
No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.
3-4 teams?
You don’t think schools like Texas, OU, USC, Mich, Auburn, LSU,, Oregon, to name a few have just as big a booster following and chance to compete as the 3-4. teams there almost every year? They can certainly afford the amount of staff teams like Bama have.
I don’t think teams like Bama, Clemson and OSU have ruined the sport. I think they have set a high bar the others need to reach in order to beat them like LSU did last year,
While OU and ND have gotten in and had their shot, they just haven’t been as good and need to get better. Simple as that IMO.
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You didn't know that?
Nothing will ever touch Miami under Jimmy Johnson.
As others have noted, Miami was a bunch of arrogant but excellent football players. Yea Irvin did tons of blowski and Ray Lewis probably killed somebody, but that was in the pros.Nebraska was a team of steroid addled racists and girlfriend stompers.
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massive "support staff' Ie, count how many times you see 'Analyst' Butch Jones on the Bama sidelines coaching up the players....
CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.
No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.
3-4 teams?
You don’t think schools like Texas, OU, USC, Mich, Auburn, LSU,, Oregon, to name a few have just as big a booster following and chance to compete as the 3-4. teams there almost every year? They can certainly afford the amount of staff teams like Bama have.
I don’t think teams like Bama, Clemson and OSU have ruined the sport. I think they have set a high bar the others need to reach in order to beat them like LSU did last year,
While OU and ND have gotten in and had their shot, they just haven’t been as good and need to get better. Simple as that IMO.
It is incredibly naive to think that an Alabama is relying on "large staffs" and its academic reputation to get players on a national basis. And no, I don't think those other schools have the "active" booster network at Alabama. Who would continue to watch the NFL if one team received draft picks 1-10 every year? It's a "high bar" alright, but not in the way you think and it is producing a bad product.
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massive "support staff' Ie, count how many times you see 'Analyst' Butch Jones on the Bama sidelines coaching up the players....
CFB has become a sport where 3-4 teams have a short every year and there's a massive, gaping chasm between them and everyone else.
No point in watching while the NCAA let Bama and others ruin the sport.
3-4 teams?
You don’t think schools like Texas, OU, USC, Mich, Auburn, LSU,, Oregon, to name a few have just as big a booster following and chance to compete as the 3-4. teams there almost every year? They can certainly afford the amount of staff teams like Bama have.
I don’t think teams like Bama, Clemson and OSU have ruined the sport. I think they have set a high bar the others need to reach in order to beat them like LSU did last year,
While OU and ND have gotten in and had their shot, they just haven’t been as good and need to get better. Simple as that IMO.
When the NCAA let Newton sell his services to the highest bidder (Auburn), that opened the floodgates.
It is incredibly naive to think that an Alabama is relying on "large staffs" and its academic reputation to get players on a national basis. And no, I don't think those other schools have the "active" booster network at Alabama. Who would continue to watch the NFL if one team received draft picks 1-10 every year? It's a "high bar" alright, but not in the way you think and it is producing a bad product.
Oh please. I wasn’t the one who brought up “large staffs” and I’m not naive, I know exactly what was meant by that.
We definitely disagree on thinking Bama is the only school to have that “active” a booster network. You can’t seriously believe schoosl like Texas or USC have less than Bama in that regard. Did you pay attention to the college admission scandal? People were paying $500K just to get their kids into USC!
I’ve never claimed Bama set a high bar academically just as far as how they coach and play the game. The kids they get could get into any of those other big football schools with the “perks” that come with them. It’s also pretty clear to me Bama does a much better job at getting serious athletes who have their eyes on Championships, while also eyeing pro careers. The coaching they get on the field at Bama is the best and accomplishes the goals these athletes are looking for. That’s the high bar other schools need to reach if they’re going to compete.