So I’m unfamiliar with this guy but is that comment really that offensive? Asking for a friend
Was it the worst example of outrage over something a commentator said? No. But I don't think it was anything terrible. Pretty much everything anyone says that people get outraged over falls into this category nowadays.
Do NBC and the NHL think young players aren't out looking to get laid? So now the media and league are setting morals? Didn't an NBA player get caught sneaking women into their bubble?
Wouldn't a former NHL player know what is going on?
Do NBC and the NHL think young players aren't out looking to get laid? So now the media and league are setting morals? Didn't an NBA player get caught sneaking women into their bubble?
Wouldn't a former NHL player know what is going on?
It was viewed as an offensive comment mostly by some women (women in the NHL media) who felt like they were being demeaned as a distraction.
when in reality is Millbury had said "no signficant others are around in the bubble" instead of women he'd probably still have a job because his comment had zero to do with gender and was simply about the players being able to only focus on hockey.
but this is the world some people have chosen for all of us to live in
hearing "to err is human", but then when a human errs, it really can go sideways for them and it doesn't even have to be anything nefarious.
I was in line at the grocery store a couple years ago, and as the woman in front of me was checking out, the cashier texted somebody. The woman went to the customer service desk, got a manager and literally demanded that the cashier get fired. Some 17 year old has somebody cause a scene to have her fired? WTF?
When I was a kid, if somebody called you a name, your parents would give the old "sticks and stones" talk. Nowadays, words hurt. Problem is - once words are uttered, they are out there and people use them against the person to cause other damage.
The odds a person calling a game is going to say something that will offend the wrong person is pretty high.
Do NBC and the NHL think young players aren't out looking to get laid? So now the media and league are setting morals? Didn't an NBA player get caught sneaking women into their bubble?
Wouldn't a former NHL player know what is going on?
It was viewed as an offensive comment mostly by some women (women in the NHL media) who felt like they were being demeaned as a distraction.
when in reality is Millbury had said "no signficant others are around in the bubble" instead of women he'd probably still have a job because his comment had zero to do with gender and was simply about the players being able to only focus on hockey.
but this is the world some people have chosen for all of us to live in
It cannot be viewed as sexist if it is the truth. But yeah in this time period truth is denied or altered to fit narratives. And if the women in the NHL media want to dictate morals, their credentials should be removed. Hey I am all for players in any sport or in life not cheating on their wives. But my opinion is moot as should be theirs.
But the point is, this is more about the athletes than women. I can't fathom how nowadays we're supposed to empower women and yet we infantilize them at every turn.
But the point is, this is more about the athletes than women. I can't fathom how nowadays we're supposed to empower women and yet we infantilize them at every turn.
It takes two to tango. But enough...this is the world some people have chosen for the rest of us.
I heard a great definition of political correctness today
and it is not a political expression, but psychological... Bill Maher had once said that his definition of political correctness is "the elevation of sensitivity over truth"...which I found very intelligent and poignant (those of you who know me know I am no fan of Bill Maher). But when he had Jordan Peterson, a clinical psychologist from Toronto, on his show, after Maher gave his definition, Peterson expanded on it with: "the elevation of moral posturing about sensitivity over truth."
I hope I dont get in trouble for sharing those quotes, but I think Millbury was a victim of the latter. Not that I'll miss that meatball.
RE: I heard a great definition of political correctness today
and it is not a political expression, but psychological... Bill Maher had once said that his definition of political correctness is "the elevation of sensitivity over truth"...which I found very intelligent and poignant (those of you who know me know I am no fan of Bill Maher). But when he had Jordan Peterson, a clinical psychologist from Toronto, on his show, after Maher gave his definition, Peterson expanded on it with: "the elevation of moral posturing about sensitivity over truth."
I hope I dont get in trouble for sharing those quotes, but I think Millbury was a victim of the latter. Not that I'll miss that meatball.
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It is posturing and that is all it is and only when convenient.
This has gotten completely out of hand and an innocuous comment or ill-advised utterance can get you fired, vilified and cancelled. Who among us has not said something we wished we hadn't? Goodbye livelihood, future plans, children's educations---gone. This is scary that we live in a climate where there is seemingly no redemption for sincere contrition or forgiveness. Happy that I'm retired and no longer under potential scrutiny for every word I write or speak. Very sad and I don't see a way back from this path.
So I am glad he is gone. His analysis on NBC was awful and he had nothing to contribute, so regardless of his comments, he deserved to get fired. Good riddance.
So I am glad he is gone. His analysis on NBC was awful and he had nothing to contribute, so regardless of his comments, he deserved to get fired. Good riddance.
Bullshit that he deserved to be fired. If he's poor at his job, you don't retain him once his contract is up. There's a difference between deserving to be fired and deserving not to be retained.
The comment wasn’t an isolated one. It’s part of a pattern. He made another comment in an empty arena that it felt like a woman’s hockey game in here.
NHL is trying to reach out to woman hands, and they’ve had growth there, and you don’t want an idiot like Milbury alienating a large part of the customers.
The comment wasn’t an isolated one. It’s part of a pattern. He made another comment in an empty arena that it felt like a woman’s hockey game in here.
NHL is trying to reach out to woman hands, and they’ve had growth there, and you don’t want an idiot like Milbury alienating a large part of the customers.
It’s not cancel culture, it’s business 101.
Trying to reach out to women fans, not woman hands.
most certainly Cancel Culture. He made a statement. A group complained vocally to have him removed, and he was removed.
When a person can apologize or doesn't even get a chance to apologize and is fired, it is certainly Cancel Culture
It wasn’t a one-time incident. His performance was awful and he was canned. This was the last straw for him. If my performance was awful at my job, apologies wouldn’t cut it, they’d find someone else who could get it done.
The comment itself wasn’t the end of the world, but it was part of a pattern and a decision was made.
I’m happy someone else will get a shot at the job. Milbury was awful.
The comment wasn’t an isolated one. It’s part of a pattern. He made another comment in an empty arena that it felt like a woman’s hockey game in here.
NHL is trying to reach out to woman hands, and they’ve had growth there, and you don’t want an idiot like Milbury alienating a large part of the customers.
It’s not cancel culture, it’s business 101.
Do you really think that women that enjoy hockey are offended by that comment - which is absolutely the truth? As someone else just said, it is likely this was an excuse to get rid of him and some of his wacky comments.
I'd almost have more respect for people like him if they didn't apologize because the apologies simultaneously ring hollow and it does nothing to appease the mob.
but...the "victims" of cancel culture, many of them at least, need their jobs to sustain their livelihood, so they kowtow and grovel out of desperation.
And NBC never said this is a long time coming or there is a pattern, they simply feigned outrage over the comments and said they're inconsistent with the networks beliefs and position, etc.
Here is the full excerpt of Millbury's comments:
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...“If you think about it, it’s a terrific environment with regard to — if you enjoy playing and enjoy being with your teammates for long periods of time, it’s a perfect place,” play-by-play announcer John Forslund said.
Milbury responded, “Not even any woman here to disrupt your concentration.”...
Should it be said? Probably not, should someone be fired for it? No.
And again, I am not a fan of Millbury and wouldn't have minded seeing him replaced. Just not this way.
always been surrounded by controversy, but the cancel culture movement needs to get the fuck out of impacting people's lives.
We've gotten to the point where you can't retract something because a bunch of people flip out to the point of no return.
Know nothing about hockey anymore other than their Twitter brigade seems to be the wokest of all fan groups surprisingly.
This guy didn’t even say anything wrong or even anything sexist. I’m confused how this is a sexist statement outside of acknowledging the basic fact men and women are different.
....I would have thought if they were that upset, fire him then or right after the SC.
I mean, I like Milbury......I am Bruins fan and he was a decent player, but a damn good HC for them. He's a grumpy old guy and I think he can be funny. But that's not everyone's taste.
But I will say, my analysis of him is he doesn't really work all that hard at what he does.....just sorta shows up and agitates. Again, I think it's funny. But NBC might just want someone a little more into the strategy of hockey as a color man which I don't think Milbury brings.
And the comment he made could have just been another little thing they weren't liking about his style...and canned him.
It's their production, they can do what they want.
so I did Google and it seems it was as over that...
But NBC said it was over a number of things. They didn't elaborate but I wouldn't doubt that Milbury is probably not an easy guy to work with. Just a hunch!!
Again....it's their production and they can fire the guy if they want.
most certainly Cancel Culture. He made a statement. A group complained vocally to have him removed, and he was removed.
When a person can apologize or doesn't even get a chance to apologize and is fired, it is certainly Cancel Culture
It wasn’t a one-time incident. His performance was awful and he was canned. This was the last straw for him. If my performance was awful at my job, apologies wouldn’t cut it, they’d find someone else who could get it done.
The comment itself wasn’t the end of the world, but it was part of a pattern and a decision was made.
I’m happy someone else will get a shot at the job. Milbury was awful.
And really that's probalby the answer. This quote from Milbury isn't to be taken in a vacume.
We all know is personality........I mean c'mon, he even agitates his partners in the booth on occassion.
Yeah. It’s pretty stupid.
Mrs. Milbury, you're the only person on earth that believes this.
Was it the worst example of outrage over something a commentator said? No. But I don't think it was anything terrible. Pretty much everything anyone says that people get outraged over falls into this category nowadays.
We've gotten to the point where you can't retract something because a bunch of people flip out to the point of no return.
Wouldn't a former NHL player know what is going on?
We've gotten to the point where you can't retract something because a bunch of people flip out to the point of no return.
it's infuriating.
Wouldn't a former NHL player know what is going on?
It was viewed as an offensive comment mostly by some women (women in the NHL media) who felt like they were being demeaned as a distraction.
when in reality is Millbury had said "no signficant others are around in the bubble" instead of women he'd probably still have a job because his comment had zero to do with gender and was simply about the players being able to only focus on hockey.
but this is the world some people have chosen for all of us to live in
I was in line at the grocery store a couple years ago, and as the woman in front of me was checking out, the cashier texted somebody. The woman went to the customer service desk, got a manager and literally demanded that the cashier get fired. Some 17 year old has somebody cause a scene to have her fired? WTF?
When I was a kid, if somebody called you a name, your parents would give the old "sticks and stones" talk. Nowadays, words hurt. Problem is - once words are uttered, they are out there and people use them against the person to cause other damage.
The odds a person calling a game is going to say something that will offend the wrong person is pretty high.
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Do NBC and the NHL think young players aren't out looking to get laid? So now the media and league are setting morals? Didn't an NBA player get caught sneaking women into their bubble?
Wouldn't a former NHL player know what is going on?
It was viewed as an offensive comment mostly by some women (women in the NHL media) who felt like they were being demeaned as a distraction.
when in reality is Millbury had said "no signficant others are around in the bubble" instead of women he'd probably still have a job because his comment had zero to do with gender and was simply about the players being able to only focus on hockey.
but this is the world some people have chosen for all of us to live in
It cannot be viewed as sexist if it is the truth. But yeah in this time period truth is denied or altered to fit narratives. And if the women in the NHL media want to dictate morals, their credentials should be removed. Hey I am all for players in any sport or in life not cheating on their wives. But my opinion is moot as should be theirs.
It takes two to tango. But enough...this is the world some people have chosen for the rest of us.
I hope I dont get in trouble for sharing those quotes, but I think Millbury was a victim of the latter. Not that I'll miss that meatball.
I hope I dont get in trouble for sharing those quotes, but I think Millbury was a victim of the latter. Not that I'll miss that meatball.
It is posturing and that is all it is and only when convenient.
Plus, I'll never forgive him over the shoe incident so screw him.
Bullshit that he deserved to be fired. If he's poor at his job, you don't retain him once his contract is up. There's a difference between deserving to be fired and deserving not to be retained.
NHL is trying to reach out to woman hands, and they’ve had growth there, and you don’t want an idiot like Milbury alienating a large part of the customers.
It’s not cancel culture, it’s business 101.
NHL is trying to reach out to woman hands, and they’ve had growth there, and you don’t want an idiot like Milbury alienating a large part of the customers.
It’s not cancel culture, it’s business 101.
Trying to reach out to women fans, not woman hands.
When a person can apologize or doesn't even get a chance to apologize and is fired, it is certainly Cancel Culture
When a person can apologize or doesn't even get a chance to apologize and is fired, it is certainly Cancel Culture
It wasn’t a one-time incident. His performance was awful and he was canned. This was the last straw for him. If my performance was awful at my job, apologies wouldn’t cut it, they’d find someone else who could get it done.
The comment itself wasn’t the end of the world, but it was part of a pattern and a decision was made.
I’m happy someone else will get a shot at the job. Milbury was awful.
NHL is trying to reach out to woman hands, and they’ve had growth there, and you don’t want an idiot like Milbury alienating a large part of the customers.
It’s not cancel culture, it’s business 101.
Do you really think that women that enjoy hockey are offended by that comment - which is absolutely the truth? As someone else just said, it is likely this was an excuse to get rid of him and some of his wacky comments.
I'd almost have more respect for people like him if they didn't apologize because the apologies simultaneously ring hollow and it does nothing to appease the mob.
but...the "victims" of cancel culture, many of them at least, need their jobs to sustain their livelihood, so they kowtow and grovel out of desperation.
And NBC never said this is a long time coming or there is a pattern, they simply feigned outrage over the comments and said they're inconsistent with the networks beliefs and position, etc.
Here is the full excerpt of Millbury's comments:
Milbury responded, “Not even any woman here to disrupt your concentration.”...
Should it be said? Probably not, should someone be fired for it? No.
And again, I am not a fan of Millbury and wouldn't have minded seeing him replaced. Just not this way.
And worst of all it sets a bad precedent.
We've gotten to the point where you can't retract something because a bunch of people flip out to the point of no return.
Know nothing about hockey anymore other than their Twitter brigade seems to be the wokest of all fan groups surprisingly.
This guy didn’t even say anything wrong or even anything sexist. I’m confused how this is a sexist statement outside of acknowledging the basic fact men and women are different.
I mean, I like Milbury......I am Bruins fan and he was a decent player, but a damn good HC for them. He's a grumpy old guy and I think he can be funny. But that's not everyone's taste.
But I will say, my analysis of him is he doesn't really work all that hard at what he does.....just sorta shows up and agitates. Again, I think it's funny. But NBC might just want someone a little more into the strategy of hockey as a color man which I don't think Milbury brings.
And the comment he made could have just been another little thing they weren't liking about his style...and canned him.
It's their production, they can do what they want.
But NBC said it was over a number of things. They didn't elaborate but I wouldn't doubt that Milbury is probably not an easy guy to work with. Just a hunch!!
Again....it's their production and they can fire the guy if they want.
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most certainly Cancel Culture. He made a statement. A group complained vocally to have him removed, and he was removed.
When a person can apologize or doesn't even get a chance to apologize and is fired, it is certainly Cancel Culture
It wasn’t a one-time incident. His performance was awful and he was canned. This was the last straw for him. If my performance was awful at my job, apologies wouldn’t cut it, they’d find someone else who could get it done.
The comment itself wasn’t the end of the world, but it was part of a pattern and a decision was made.
I’m happy someone else will get a shot at the job. Milbury was awful.
And really that's probalby the answer. This quote from Milbury isn't to be taken in a vacume.
We all know is personality........I mean c'mon, he even agitates his partners in the booth on occassion.