I would trade up for Devonte Smith

You are implying all it would take to trade up to get him is a 3rd rounder? I doubt that.

A lot of this is a great scheme by Sarkisian. Smith is a very good prospect, but don't be fooled by this...

why would a team pass on Smith to trade down and pick up a Beal or a Lorenzo Carter?

but the value of Carter and Beals is close to zero in a trade. It would be at least a 2nd to move up. If Smith is gone at 3 it won't matter.

In comment 15119534 bw in dc said:

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A lot of this is a great scheme by Sarkisian. Smith is a very good prospect, but don't be fooled by this...

I’d hire Sarkisian in a second as OC, but Smith is special. He does everything well.

The question for me is: If he's on the board when the Giants are on the clock, do you trade down if you get an offer?

I would as long as: 1) the offer doesn't push the Giants down more than 10 picks and 2) there's at least a 2nd-rounder in it for the Giants. Which narrows the list of potential partners. But I am pretty sure the Giants could get a top defensive starter between 12 and 21 and they could get at least one very good WR or TE in the second.

In comment 15119545 81_Great_Dane said:

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The question for me is: If he's on the board when the Giants are on the clock, do you trade down if you get an offer? I would as long as: 1) the offer doesn't push the Giants down more than 10 picks and 2) there's at least a 2nd-rounder in it for the Giants. Which narrows the list of potential partners. But I am pretty sure the Giants could get a top defensive starter between 12 and 21 and they could get at least one very good WR or TE in the second.

You think he's going to be available at 11? I don't

In comment 15119534 bw in dc said:

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A lot of this is a great scheme by Sarkisian. Smith is a very good prospect, but don't be fooled by this...

Maybe I’m being a prisoner of the moment I’m obviously no expert but he looks like the type of Volume playmaker this team needs and if he’s the guy go get him

In comment 15119545 81_Great_Dane said:

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The question for me is: If he's on the board when the Giants are on the clock, do you trade down if you get an offer? I would as long as: 1) the offer doesn't push the Giants down more than 10 picks and 2) there's at least a 2nd-rounder in it for the Giants. Which narrows the list of potential partners. But I am pretty sure the Giants could get a top defensive starter between 12 and 21 and they could get at least one very good WR or TE in the second.

There is virtually no chance this guy is available at 11...is this going to be like last year’s delusion of chase young somehow making it to 4??

In comment 15119550 ImissTiki said:

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In comment 15119534 bw in dc said: Quote: A lot of this is a great scheme by Sarkisian. Smith is a very good prospect, but don't be fooled by this... Maybe I’m being a prisoner of the moment I’m obviously no expert but he looks like the type of Volume playmaker this team needs and if he’s the guy go get him

Well you got that right....you are no expert.

About being against the idea of keeping picks just to add depth to the roster rather than trading some of them for a higher value player. I don't disagree with that, and do think sometimes people can get sucked into holding onto all your picks just to add depth.

But if we're honest with ourselves most of that "depth" will usually wind up non impact players that become interchangeable every other season.

In comment 15119556 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 15119550 ImissTiki said: Quote: In comment 15119534 bw in dc said: Quote: A lot of this is a great scheme by Sarkisian. Smith is a very good prospect, but don't be fooled by this... Maybe I’m being a prisoner of the moment I’m obviously no expert but he looks like the type of Volume playmaker this team needs and if he’s the guy go get him Well you got that right....you are no expert.

And you are? Waddle a consensus top 20 pick is no where close to the prospect Desean Jackson was a mid 2nd rounder in his draft
Brilliant analysis

In comment 15119548 dpinzow said:

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In comment 15119545 81_Great_Dane said: Quote: The question for me is: If he's on the board when the Giants are on the clock, do you trade down if you get an offer? I would as long as: 1) the offer doesn't push the Giants down more than 10 picks and 2) there's at least a 2nd-rounder in it for the Giants. Which narrows the list of potential partners. But I am pretty sure the Giants could get a top defensive starter between 12 and 21 and they could get at least one very good WR or TE in the second. You think he's going to be available at 11? I don't

I didn't say I think so. I said there's a significant chance. He might not be the first or even the second receiver drafted; Chase and Waddle could go first. Likely? No. Possible? Absolutely. If they go first, and if there's a run on QBs, Smith could fall out of the top 10, especially if there's a run on QBs.

conveniently forgets he handed a Super Bowl offense and he fucked it up. Royally. Hard pass. Stay in college,Sark.

will go very early. Great year, Heisman, and now 12 catches 215 yards and 3 TDs in the FIRST HALF of the National Championship game.

No way he makes it to 11. I doubt he gets past 5.

In comment 15119552 The_Boss said:

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In comment 15119545 81_Great_Dane said: Quote: The question for me is: If he's on the board when the Giants are on the clock, do you trade down if you get an offer? I would as long as: 1) the offer doesn't push the Giants down more than 10 picks and 2) there's at least a 2nd-rounder in it for the Giants. Which narrows the list of potential partners. But I am pretty sure the Giants could get a top defensive starter between 12 and 21 and they could get at least one very good WR or TE in the second. There is virtually no chance this guy is available at 11...is this going to be like last year’s delusion of chase young somehow making it to 4??

I don't think this is a delusion: It's not "If you want Smith, sit tight, he'll fall!!!" Not likely. But crazier things have happened. I think if he falls to 11, the Giants will run to the podium. But if he's on the board when they're on the clock, they should at least listen to offers. Someone will offer a ransom for the chance to draft him.

He's a beast for sure. Kind of amazing.

In comment 15119577 Mark from Jersey said:

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will go very early. Great year, Heisman, and now 12 catches 215 yards and 3 TDs in the FIRST HALF of the National Championship game. No way he makes it to 11. I doubt he gets past 5.

Miami takes him at 3. Pair with Tua

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In comment 15119577 Mark from Jersey said: Quote: will go very early. Great year, Heisman, and now 12 catches 215 yards and 3 TDs in the FIRST HALF of the National Championship game. No way he makes it to 11. I doubt he gets past 5. Miami takes him at 3. Pair with Tua

He is definitely in play at 3.

In comment 15119577 Mark from Jersey said:

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will go very early. Great year, Heisman, and now 12 catches 215 yards and 3 TDs in the FIRST HALF of the National Championship game. No way he makes it to 11. I doubt he gets past 5.

That's more likely than him falling. But, again, Chase may be the first receiver taken and Waddle may be the next. Depends on what teams are looking for.

but what are the odds that he's just another Amari Cooper? B+/A- talent who looks like an A++ otherworldly talent playing for a loaded Alabama squad. I know he didn't win the Heisman but Cooper was hyped almost as much as Smith if not more, people were in love with him.

I want to draft Smith, but I'm not feeling trading up as of today unless it would only be a spot or two.

trade up for Devonta

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trade up for Devonta

yeah, but he tweeted to do it right now. lol

In comment 15119565 ImissTiki said:

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In comment 15119556 chopperhatch said: Quote: In comment 15119550 ImissTiki said: Quote: In comment 15119534 bw in dc said: Quote: A lot of this is a great scheme by Sarkisian. Smith is a very good prospect, but don't be fooled by this... Maybe I’m being a prisoner of the moment I’m obviously no expert but he looks like the type of Volume playmaker this team needs and if he’s the guy go get him Well you got that right....you are no expert. And you are? Waddle a consensus top 20 pick is no where close to the prospect Desean Jackson was a mid 2nd rounder in his draft Brilliant analysis

Well, if you looked at their college numbers with Waddle playing on a loaded Bama team and Desean being the only weapon on that Cal team, you would see they are almost identical even despite Waddle missing time. One thing that was glaring was the lack of PR TDs from Waddle. He had 2 while Jax had 6.

So theres some analysis. Youve been here for a month and you already sound like a 15 year old.

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trade up for Devonta

Great minds think alike

after a hit from an LB.

In comment 15119594 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 15119565 ImissTiki said: Quote: In comment 15119556 chopperhatch said: Quote: In comment 15119550 ImissTiki said: Quote: In comment 15119534 bw in dc said: Quote: A lot of this is a great scheme by Sarkisian. Smith is a very good prospect, but don't be fooled by this... Maybe I’m being a prisoner of the moment I’m obviously no expert but he looks like the type of Volume playmaker this team needs and if he’s the guy go get him Well you got that right....you are no expert. And you are? Waddle a consensus top 20 pick is no where close to the prospect Desean Jackson was a mid 2nd rounder in his draft Brilliant analysis Well, if you looked at their college numbers with Waddle playing on a loaded Bama team and Desean being the only weapon on that Cal team, you would see they are almost identical even despite Waddle missing time. One thing that was glaring was the lack of PR TDs from Waddle. He had 2 while Jax had 6. So theres some analysis. Youve been here for a month and you already sound like a 15 year old.

I respect your opinion and we both want great football players on the Giants so let’s hope they deliver for both our sakes

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after a hit from an LB.

Guessing dislocated finger the way they were working on it. Might be broken.

Nogie Harris is rated, but he'd be a nice pick up. But I suspect he goes fairly early.

Im just saying if we go WR in 1st, I want someone who can make tough catches. I think Pitts could grade out as a legit X with Plax type measurables. I want that. We can always sign Samuels to play that dash/redirect guy.


Nobody under 200 lbs in the first.

One of Smith, Chase, or Waddle will be available at 11.

plenty of good WRs this draft

In comment 15119544 Section331 said:

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In comment 15119534 bw in dc said: Quote: A lot of this is a great scheme by Sarkisian. Smith is a very good prospect, but don't be fooled by this... I’d hire Sarkisian in a second as OC, but Smith is special. He does everything well.

Tomorrow he's heading to Austin, TX to be the HC at UT. Will be interesting if he can spin similar magic for the 'Horns.

I like Smith, don't get me wrong. But his body type does bother me, so I would prefer a bigger body like Chase instead.

He had a great, great year last year at LSU. He's just forgotten b/c of Covid and the opt-out.

In comment 15119611 BigBlueBuff said:

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One of Smith, Chase, or Waddle will be available at 11.

I doubt 4-5 QBs go in the top 10

took half a season to be semi productive for Denver.
Picture Bradberry covering Smith, big difference

What more could you want than this kid there when you’re on the clock. Back to reality please.

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What more could you want than this kid there when you’re on the clock. Back to reality please.

How about for him to weigh more than one of my morning turds?

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after a hit from an LB.

jammed His thumb into the tackler. Probably bent it back real bad

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took half a season to be semi productive for Denver. Picture Bradberry covering Smith, big difference

Jeudy had awful QB play in all fairness. And in one game he had a practice squad WR who played QB one year in college throwing to him due to COVID.

If only you can make these earwax ads disappear.

In comment 15119545 81_Great_Dane said:

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The question for me is: If he's on the board when the Giants are on the clock, do you trade down if you get an offer? I would as long as: 1) the offer doesn't push the Giants down more than 10 picks and 2) there's at least a 2nd-rounder in it for the Giants. Which narrows the list of potential partners. But I am pretty sure the Giants could get a top defensive starter between 12 and 21 and they could get at least one very good WR or TE in the second.

Not a chance he is there at 11.

Natl Champ winning TD as a freshman.

I love the guy and hope like hell he somehow inexplicably drops to 11, but I don’t think I’d trade up for him. Unless it was only up to 8 or 9. To get to five or so, we’d have to give up more than I think we can spare.

Absolutely not. Way too many holes and plenty of good talent at 11

Or Parsons. At least not far enough where we would have a chance at either.

I would love a shot at Surtain. He is just
perfect for us. Perfect size, perfect coverage ability, eager to make tackles...him opposite Bradberry and with Holmes inside with Peppers roaming around would be insane.

Just like Fields a week ago had a great night but I’m just not sure about his actual speed if this kid can run a 4.45 or better then he’s the first WR off the board hands down.

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Just like Fields a week ago had a great night but I’m just not sure about his actual speed if this kid can run a 4.45 or better then he’s the first WR off the board hands down.

I don’t think it’s quite that but it is under 4.5.

He not only had a great night (really only played a half lol) but great year and career at Bama.

We’re not trading up or down in round 1 with grandpa Dave at the helm.

Than 180, ever been drafted in the top ten? Asking for a friend.

Love the talent, but concerns about his weight may have him slide to our pick.

In comment 15119719 RAIN said:
[quote] Than 180, ever been drafted in the top ten? Asking for a friend.

Love the talent, but concerns about his weight may have him slide to our pick. [/quotI still dont want him. If we are looking for a receiving threat at 11, Ill take Pitts. But I would rather have yet another mean bastard up front on O so we can stop worrying about Jones having time or Barkley having holes to run through. Get a mid-priced guy in FA, draft a bigger one and let's see what Jones/Barkley can do with the bastards up front. I for one, do NOT think 11 is too high for Leatherwood or Davis.

Like a stretch, but Davis isnt. That guy LOVES to block people into the quantum realm.

Davis in 1st, Marshall in 2nd?
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Pitts in 1st, Leatherwoond in 2nd?

In comment 15119720 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 15119719 RAIN said: [quote] Than 180, ever been drafted in the top ten? Asking for a friend. Love the talent, but concerns about his weight may have him slide to our pick. [/quotI still dont want him. If we are looking for a receiving threat at 11, Ill take Pitts. But I would rather have yet another mean bastard up front on O so we can stop worrying about Jones having time or Barkley having holes to run through. Get a mid-priced guy in FA, draft a bigger one and let's see what Jones/Barkley can do with the bastards up front. I for one, do NOT think 11 is too high for Leatherwood or Davis.

I totally agree. I think it’s safe to assume Smith won’t be blocking anyone due to his size, and we’re a run first offense. I don’t see him being a good fit here.

There’s all these tempting WR/TE prospects, but I think we need to finish the OL rebuild first.