I would trade up for Devonte Smith

In comment 15119621 BillT said:

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What more could you want than this kid there when you’re on the clock. Back to reality please.

Smith is gonna be drafted very highly. Begore 11, book it. But there always a price for any player - unless you got the #1 overall pick and you need a QB and Trevor Lawrence is on the board.

If I'm the Jets with pick 2 and Miami at 3 wants to move up 1 for Smith and offers 3 plus 18 overall for #2, I'd make that trade before a nanosecond passed.

But, whatever, Smith won't make it to the Giants at 11, or even close enough to warrant a trade up...

In comment 15119708 Dragon said:

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Just like Fields a week ago had a great night but I’m just not sure about his actual speed if this kid can run a 4.45 or better then he’s the first WR off the board hands down.

Fields is a ?

Smith is NOT a ?

Do you not see that? Has nothing to do with 40 yard dash time.

See Jerry Rice's career stats and 40 yard dash time for reference.

In comment 15119611 BigBlueBuff said:

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One of Smith, Chase, or Waddle will be available at 11.

One of them, probably, but you could have simply written "one of Chase or Waddle will (likely) be available at 11", and have made a more rigorous statement.

Player in the draft has questions or else every pick would end up in the HOF look at that guy named Brady did he kind of have questions?

Looks spectacular but it’s a supremely loaded and talented Bama team shit I would bet on them 10 out of 10 to Whoop the Giants or Jets. Speed is the only question I’ve got for him he may be 180 now but that’s something that can’t be corrected.

Can be corrected.

Can be corrected

That’s a franchise killing move. We are not 1 WR away. We need multiple WRs, a real tight end and offensive line help. We cannot afford to give away draft picks considering we don’t have a 5th this year.

Though it was before last night's performance.
Mock draft 1.0: Jets get quarterback, Giants get stud receiver - ( New Window )

after trading up for Smith and sending a pick(s) to the Falcons for Julio Jones. It would seem that at least one of Smith, Waddle, and Chase would still be available at 11, possibly more than one of the above. As others have pointed out, scheme, QB reads, QB protection, talent, etc play an integral part in Alabama’s success.

but when it comes to college prospects, bw is the guy to listen to more times than not..:)

and smith couldnt even make it through the game. He is going to be hurt in the NFL.

In comment 15119713 MtDizzle said:

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We’re not trading up or down in round 1 with grandpa Dave at the helm.

Psst...he traded up to the first round to get Baker.

In comment 15119779 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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In comment 15119713 MtDizzle said: Quote: We’re not trading up or down in round 1 with grandpa Dave at the helm. Psst...he traded up to the first round to get Baker.

Shhh

WRs could be had later in the draft.

or maybe the Jets decide to mess with the Dolphins ...

But this team has too many holes to trade picks away for anyone. If anything, they should be trying to collect more picks.

In comment 15119796 JonC said:

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or maybe the Jets decide to mess with the Dolphins ...

You think the Jets stay with Darnold?

unless Lawrence falls, I think there's a shot the Jets don't love one either. I don't pay much attention to the Jets, tbh. Sewell probably should be the pick there but Smith is riding a huge wave right now, and the Jets aren't exactly good at this.

In comment 15119814 JonC said:

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unless Lawrence falls, I think there's a shot the Jets don't love one either. I don't pay much attention to the Jets, tbh. Sewell probably should be the pick there but Smith is riding a huge wave right now, and the Jets aren't exactly good at this.

Sewell with Becton is quite the tackle duo.

It may actually be a good year to be at #11.

it's another reason they could roll with Smith. For sure, Darnold is the best decision they need to make. But, at #2 there's no clear cut QB imo.

to become HC. He can make the call on Fields but I do think they draft a QB at #2 this year.

There’s a good QB in this draft it’s up to the front office and scouts to find him .. Just because the media ain’t hyping up some prospect doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist

with regards to the draft. I see what I see.

in today's mock draft on The Athletic

Has the Giants taking Pitts @11 with Surtain on the board


https://theathletic.com/2316582/2021/01/12/nfl-mock-draft-devonta-smith/ - ( New Window )

In comment 15119870 JonC said:

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with regards to the draft. I see what I see.

So you’re of the opinion that Trevor Lawrence is the only good pro QB in this draft? Because I believe that opinion to be wrong

In comment 15119877 US1 Giants said:

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in today's mock draft on The Athletic Has the Giants taking Pitts @11 with Surtain on the board https://theathletic.com/2316582/2021/01/12/nfl-mock-draft-devonta-smith/ - ( New Window )

I like Pitts. I really do but a potential secondary of Bradbury-Surtain-Peppers-McKenzie-Holmes is too good to pass up on my opinion. Find a 2 way TE later in the draft.

In comment 15119887 The_Boss said:

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In comment 15119877 US1 Giants said: Quote: in today's mock draft on The Athletic Has the Giants taking Pitts @11 with Surtain on the board https://theathletic.com/2316582/2021/01/12/nfl-mock-draft-devonta-smith/ - ( New Window ) I like Pitts. I really do but a potential secondary of Bradbury-Surtain-Peppers-McKenzie-Holmes is too good to pass up on my opinion. Find a 2 way TE later in the draft.

** In my opinion **

In comment 15119882 ImissTiki said:

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In comment 15119870 JonC said: Quote: with regards to the draft. I see what I see. So you’re of the opinion that Trevor Lawrence is the only good pro QB in this draft? Because I believe that opinion to be wrong

I believe he'll be the only QB worthy of selection in the top 5 of this draft. "Good" has little to do with it, good sometimes isn't good enough. This is where scouting and grading and building a draft board all come into play.

Picking a QB simply because you need one, even desperately, is how you wind up fucking your team for five years or longer.

In comment 15119614 bw in dc said:

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Tomorrow he's heading to Austin, TX to be the HC at UT. Will be interesting if he can spin similar magic for the 'Horns. I like Smith, don't get me wrong. But his body type does bother me, so I would prefer a bigger body like Chase instead. He had a great, great year last year at LSU. He's just forgotten b/c of Covid and the opt-out.

Not surprised that someone would jump on Sarkisian. I have no idea how he will be as a leader, but his offense was a pleasure to watch.

And I agree, Smith's size does concern me, but he does a really good job of avoiding direct hits, and he uses his feet to avoid jamming at the LOS. If you watched the GB-TENN SNF game a couple of weeks ago, Collinsworth spent a good deal of time on how another Devanta, Adams, avoided jamming with footwork. Smith is in the same mold.

Smith is a great route runner, great hands, and I suspect he'll clock out in the 4.4 range. He's got plenty of speed. I'd be thrilled to get Chase too, but if both are on the board, I think I would lean Smith.

I cant imagine Miami is going to pass on Smith

he's going to get beat up in the NFL. The draft every year is loaded with high end WRs and you want to trade some of the Giants few assets for him? That's how the rebuild will last forever.

the amount of roster additions we need to address, trading up is a very bad idea in this draft.

In comment 15119909 arniefez said:

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he's going to get beat up in the NFL. The draft every year is loaded with high end WRs and you want to trade some of the Giants few assets for him? That's how the rebuild will last forever.

That’s what bw has said

they fall in love despite it being a deep draft at the position, so they should trade up and burn the additional picks?

Well, we got the right guy for that.

a board of all the positional players of relevance to the team, grade them objectively and then group them in tiers with similar grades. Maybe put a few arrows up/down next to certain names based on a unusual factors like intangibles, injury prone, etc.

Keep the phone handy in case all of sudden highly graded players on your board drop or vice-versa so you can extract better perceived value.

And then pick the highest guy on the board.

But maybe times have changed.

In comment 15119732 BelieveJJ said:

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See Jerry Rice's career stats and 40 yard dash time for reference.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.45 35 YEARS AGO! There is a ton of misinformation about Rice and his 40 time, but he was not slow. He was a terrific athlete.

I suspect Smith will run something along those lines, he has plenty of speed.

In comment 15119552 The_Boss said:

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In comment 15119545 81_Great_Dane said: Quote: The question for me is: If he's on the board when the Giants are on the clock, do you trade down if you get an offer? I would as long as: 1) the offer doesn't push the Giants down more than 10 picks and 2) there's at least a 2nd-rounder in it for the Giants. Which narrows the list of potential partners. But I am pretty sure the Giants could get a top defensive starter between 12 and 21 and they could get at least one very good WR or TE in the second. There is virtually no chance this guy is available at 11...is this going to be like last year’s delusion of chase young somehow making it to 4??

Right, move on. The Giants don't have the ammo to trade up. At 11, we likely will get Waddle, Chase or Smith. All 3 gone are very, very unlikely.

In comment 15119887 The_Boss said:

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In comment 15119877 US1 Giants said: Quote: in today's mock draft on The Athletic Has the Giants taking Pitts @11 with Surtain on the board https://theathletic.com/2316582/2021/01/12/nfl-mock-draft-devonta-smith/ - ( New Window ) I like Pitts. I really do but a potential secondary of Bradbury-Surtain-Peppers-McKenzie-Holmes is too good to pass up on my opinion. Find a 2 way TE later in the draft.

Yeah we’d be set on the back end there with Surtain added. Plus we’d also have Ryan in the S mix with Love adding some serious versatile depth. That would be one deep secondary.

I like Pitts a lot too and we desperately need offensive help, but I have to see what we do in Free Agency before I could say for sure who I’d rather have between him and Surtain. If we don’t help the O in FA, I’d lean more towards Pitts because I think help on O is a greater need. If we signed a TE or WR in FA, I’d run up and grab Surtain and lock down the secondary,

I am a believer in particular positions having a strong pedigree coming from particular college programs - the 'ol you can't go wrong with a LB from Penn St. montra.

Alabama has put out a nice collection of NFL WR talent:
Julio Jones
Amari Cooper
Calvin Ridley
Henry Ruggs
Jerry Juedy

There aren't a ton of complete misses in there either.

you'd think the Giants have no experience with their promising physical specimen WRs succumbing to devastating injuries.

In comment 15119712 Eman11 said:

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In comment 15119708 Dragon said: Quote: Just like Fields a week ago had a great night but I’m just not sure about his actual speed if this kid can run a 4.45 or better then he’s the first WR off the board hands down. I don’t think it’s quite that but it is under 4.5. He not only had a great night (really only played a half lol) but great year and career at Bama.

So you think you have his speed in the 40 pegged down to a couple hundreths of second. You are good. Less than 4.5 but not quite 4.45. We have real experts among us.

In comment 15120080 Thegratefulhead said:

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In comment 15119712 Eman11 said: Quote: In comment 15119708 Dragon said: Quote: Just like Fields a week ago had a great night but I’m just not sure about his actual speed if this kid can run a 4.45 or better then he’s the first WR off the board hands down. I don’t think it’s quite that but it is under 4.5. He not only had a great night (really only played a half lol) but great year and career at Bama. So you think you have his speed in the 40 pegged down to a couple hundreths of second. You are good. Less than 4.5 but not quite 4.45. We have real experts among us.

Well all I did was state a fact. It’s under 4.5 which it is but not quite the 4.45 the poster said would be needed to be the 1st WR off the board. He was clccked at 4.49 btw.

I’m certainly no expert but those hundredths of a second are important to a lot of people whose job it is to be an expert. If it weren’t. why use them and not just stop at tenths?

I tend to agree those couple of hundredths don’t seem like a big deal to me, but again, I was only posting he was over the number the poster was using as a cutoff.

I think he’s gonna have a hard time staying healthy in the NFL. He is very thin. This offense needs a bigger target. He’s also going to be gone well before 11 and we can in no way afford a trade up. Free agency will determine the draft, but at 11 we are probably looking at Kyle Pitts or a WR that rises during workouts. 31st in offense. There is no way they can afford to go D unless they make significant progress prior to the draft and I don’t see it given the cap situation unless they let Williams walk, has his cap on offense then replace him at 11.

In comment 15120016 Dnew15 said:

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I am a believer in particular positions having a strong pedigree coming from particular college programs - the 'ol you can't go wrong with a LB from Penn St. montra. Alabama has put out a nice collection of NFL WR talent: Julio Jones Amari Cooper Calvin Ridley Henry Ruggs Jerry Juedy There aren't a ton of complete misses in there either.

Check out the LSU receiving tree.

Chase is the guy - for me.

In comment 15119896 Section331 said:

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In comment 15119614 bw in dc said: Quote: Tomorrow he's heading to Austin, TX to be the HC at UT. Will be interesting if he can spin similar magic for the 'Horns. I like Smith, don't get me wrong. But his body type does bother me, so I would prefer a bigger body like Chase instead. He had a great, great year last year at LSU. He's just forgotten b/c of Covid and the opt-out. Not surprised that someone would jump on Sarkisian. I have no idea how he will be as a leader, but his offense was a pleasure to watch. And I agree, Smith's size does concern me, but he does a really good job of avoiding direct hits, and he uses his feet to avoid jamming at the LOS. If you watched the GB-TENN SNF game a couple of weeks ago, Collinsworth spent a good deal of time on how another Devanta, Adams, avoided jamming with footwork. Smith is in the same mold. Smith is a great route runner, great hands, and I suspect he'll clock out in the 4.4 range. He's got plenty of speed. I'd be thrilled to get Chase too, but if both are on the board, I think I would lean Smith.

Smith does seem to have a "Gumby" element to his game. He seems to bounce up quickly after hits.

But if Chase is just as productive, as fast, and his similar hands, why wouldn't you take the bigger athlete?

Interesting that people think WR can be had all over the draft - partially true, however, vast majority of top WR are 1st-2nd rd

The Giants are 1 of 12 teams that do not have a WR drafted in the 1st

Was - McLaurin (3)
Sea - Metcalf(2) & Locket(3)
GB - Adams (2)
Det - Golliday(3) jones(5)
Chi - Robinson(2), Miller(2), Mooney(5)
NO - Thomas (2)
Jax - Shenault(2) , Clark(2)
Indy - Hilton(3), Pascal
Pit - Shuster(2), Claypool(2), Johnson(3)
Buff - Diggs(5), Beasley

7 Teams have 2 No 1's at WR

Overwhelming odds are you are not finding a top WR after round 2. T. Hill, TY Hilton, Theilen, R. Anderson, McLaurin are rare to find

The question becomes this year is if one the big 2 is there at 11 do you grab them. It does not appear anything will be around in the 40's

In comment 15120158 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15120016 Dnew15 said: Quote: I am a believer in particular positions having a strong pedigree coming from particular college programs - the 'ol you can't go wrong with a LB from Penn St. montra. Alabama has put out a nice collection of NFL WR talent: Julio Jones Amari Cooper Calvin Ridley Henry Ruggs Jerry Juedy There aren't a ton of complete misses in there either. Check out the LSU receiving tree. Chase is the guy - for me.

As usual - I'm with you.

Nothing scares me about Chase either.

I'm not a scout by any means, but SMith and Chase look to have very good NFL futures.

In comment 15120203 stretch234 said:

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Interesting that people think WR can be had all over the draft - partially true, however, vast majority of top WR are 1st-2nd rd The Giants are 1 of 12 teams that do not have a WR drafted in the 1st Was - McLaurin (3) Sea - Metcalf(2) & Locket(3) GB - Adams (2) Det - Golliday(3) jones(5) Chi - Robinson(2), Miller(2), Mooney(5) NO - Thomas (2) Jax - Shenault(2) , Clark(2) Indy - Hilton(3), Pascal Pit - Shuster(2), Claypool(2), Johnson(3) Buff - Diggs(5), Beasley 7 Teams have 2 No 1's at WR Overwhelming odds are you are not finding a top WR after round 2. T. Hill, TY Hilton, Theilen, R. Anderson, McLaurin are rare to find The question becomes this year is if one the big 2 is there at 11 do you grab them. It does not appear anything will be around in the 40's

Good post and fair point.

Although a ton of very good WRs have been taken during Rd2 over the past few years in the case you don't want to burn your first pick.

In comment 15120158 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15120016 Dnew15 said: Quote: I am a believer in particular positions having a strong pedigree coming from particular college programs - the 'ol you can't go wrong with a LB from Penn St. montra. Alabama has put out a nice collection of NFL WR talent: Julio Jones Amari Cooper Calvin Ridley Henry Ruggs Jerry Juedy There aren't a ton of complete misses in there either. Check out the LSU receiving tree. Chase is the guy - for me.

bw...I'm not as knowledgeable as you on CFB but I have been thinking this same thing. Loved Smith's game last night but......I feel the same thing on LSU WR's.