I see a lot of Joe Burrow v.ii in Jones. Surprised he doesn't get more love as a potential top 10 pick. Accurate thrower, but what impresses me most about him is how he reads the field and is tough in the face of an imminent pass rush.
Devonta Smith has a guy throwing to him, too.
If Jones does get drafted among the top 10, bully for the Giants at 11 as another non-QB position player drops.
On the other hand, Fields did not do himself an favors last night. Not sure how badly the torso injury effected him, which I'm sure it did to some extent.
For the most part he did that very well.
FWIW, I never thought Jalen Hurts looked like an NFL QB when HE played at Bama, nor a guy like AJ McCaron.
Jones passed the eye test last night, far more than Fields who has been touted as a top 3 pick!
Course I don't know what Fields' physical condition was last night, given the whalloping he absorbed vs Clemson last week.
When you have receives that can get open by 5 yards on any given play, you will look a lot better than you will in the pros.
When you have receives that can get open by 5 yards on any given play, you will look a lot better than you will in the pros.
I barely remember McCarron but nothing about him screamed NFL starting QB to me. I think Jones is better. He made some really nice throws into tight windows and got the ball out quickly and pretty accurately under pressure. I am not sure he is an early to middle 1st round QB, but late 1st to 2nd round would not surprise me.
Obviously not a dual threat, so he’ll need a good OL to realize his potential. Just not a great athlete. Reminds me at times of Brady at Michigan.
I see some mocks have him in the first round. That seems way too high for me. Seems more like a second or third rounder who will need the right team and system.
When you have receives that can get open by 5 yards on any given play, you will look a lot better than you will in the pros.
This. There’s Open, then there’s Alabama open.
Tua is suffering from this. The windows in the NFL are so much smaller and Tua failed to make some throws because he didn’t see guys wide open
Pats are going to move up if JONES falls out of the top 10??
Is he even projected to go in the 1st?
In some places, yeah. Personally, I wouldn't, but it's not unheard of.
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Tough choice between him and Fields. I see Billy moving up to grab him if he falls out of top 10.
Pats are going to move up if JONES falls out of the top 10??
Is he even projected to go in the 1st?
I looked it up after I said maybe late 1st round/2nd round. CBS Sports Draft has him ahead of Trask and #25 over all and #5 QB behind Lawrence, Fields, Wilson and Lance...
Ok, yeah. But I think he may be better than that.
Sy said QBs and CBs are the hardest to evaluate.
Some people are expecting five QBs to be drafted in the first round, which appears to be one too many, but I'll be all for it.
Fields is not Haskins and Jones is not McCarron IMHO. They both will be drafted in the first round.
Fields is more athletic than Jones, they both have NFL arms and good pocket presence.
One one hand you have guys like him who have so much talent around him on a dominant team it's hard to know how he'll do without elite playmakers around him.
On the other hand you have guys on crap teams and you see the arm talent, decision making, etc...but not the results. So that's hard to judge too.
I guess this is why you see so many qb misses in the draft. It's a crap-shoot.
in stride.
Jones looks like he is cobbled together by pieces out of the QB bin, skinny legs, flabby midsection, no muscle tone, but somehow he makes it work.
I dont know if I see the top half of rd 1, but somewhere in the late 1st?
It is a watchout not a hard rule but I want to see at least a game or two where the QB got bloodied and got back up.
Tua was the last big name to come out of Alabama. One can make the argument that the only game where he remotely had a draw or slight disadvantage was the Clemson NCS and he looked awful.
On to Lawrence, in the same game that Alabama defense was ferocious. He made plays from the pocket while it was collapsing as a freshman that made me take notice.
Haven't seen enough of Jones to make a determination but he has had a relatively easy life as the QB for Alabama especially considering the realities of COVID this year.
It's going to be interesting to see where he gets taken. I do find it impressive that they lost Waddle, and Jones didn't skip a beat. That said, the guy is working with the cleanest pockets I've ever seen in my life.
That was also his first lost fumble of the year. LSU and Bama have always had 5 star playmakers on offense, but it wasnt really until Tua and Burrow came along that the offenses actually took off. There's certainly something to be said about the QB play regardless of the surrounding cast.
It's going to be interesting to see where he gets taken. I do find it impressive that they lost Waddle, and Jones didn't skip a beat. That said, the guy is working with the cleanest pockets I've ever seen in my life.
I thought Fields had a cleaner pocket until late in the game when Barmore took over..
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was when the announcers were saying he hasn't gotten pressured all night. Then he gets pressured, and coughs up the ball. It's easy to look all world when you have 1st and 2nd rounders blocking for you, and have a couple 1st rounders to throw to, as well as a 1st/2nd rounder running the ball.
That was also his first lost fumble of the year. LSU and Bama have always had 5 star playmakers on offense, but it wasnt really until Tua and Burrow came along that the offenses actually took off. There's certainly something to be said about the QB play regardless of the surrounding cast.
Hey, I would prefer if there were 10 QBs drafted in the top 10. I just don't see Jones as a top 10 pick.
He looks to me like a solid NFL backup, but I get the feeling that he may be overdrafted. Some analysts have him going in the 1st round, and I don't see it.
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as looking NFL ready, AJ McCarron seemed to be further along than Jones, and he ended up having significant holes in his game.
When you have receives that can get open by 5 yards on any given play, you will look a lot better than you will in the pros.
This. There’s Open, then there’s Alabama open.
Tua is suffering from this. The windows in the NFL are so much smaller and Tua failed to make some throws because he didn’t see guys wide open
Tua has a weak arm. It’s clear as day when you watch him in the NFL. He’s got an arm like Pat White
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was when the announcers were saying he hasn't gotten pressured all night. Then he gets pressured, and coughs up the ball. It's easy to look all world when you have 1st and 2nd rounders blocking for you, and have a couple 1st rounders to throw to, as well as a 1st/2nd rounder running the ball.
That was also his first lost fumble of the year. LSU and Bama have always had 5 star playmakers on offense, but it wasnt really until Tua and Burrow came along that the offenses actually took off. There's certainly something to be said about the QB play regardless of the surrounding cast.
Hey, I would prefer if there were 10 QBs drafted in the top 10. I just don't see Jones as a top 10 pick.
Oh I agree, I'm just saying he has that potential to be a Drew Brees type guy who falls into the 2nd round and in 5 years we are all saying "how tf did we underestimate this guy so badly".
Oh I agree, I'm just saying he has that potential to be a Drew Brees type guy who falls into the 2nd round and in 5 years we are all saying "how tf did we underestimate this guy so badly".
I think what many people forget about Brees is what a good athlete he was when he was younger. His ability to move within the pocket is second to none, even Brady. I don't see that in Mac Jones.
In the NFL it is exceptionally difficult to put a team together with the cap, defined draft process to replicate the college advantage.
In the NFL you see lots of back shoulder throws which to me shows how hard it is to create WR's that are wide open like we see in college.
Hard to put the OL (and consequent running game) and then to have the WR's that would enable more college QB's to have success. I think in some ways the "franchise QB" or "elevate" is in part because you need someone that can overcome these challenges which is.......a select few. We maybe have 4-7 in the NFL at a time some of which are in the league 12+ years. The better solution seems to draft consistently well.
Fields didn’t look inhibited to me and this game tells you a lot more about Fields than last week did. Day handed Dabos staff it’s cookies, that wasn’t going to happen against Saban and company. It was hit or miss with him, but I don’t think he’s this sure thing at all and personally I put him after Wilson.
You know Judge will get the inside scoop from his boy Saban on what Jones can do....
You know Judge will get the inside scoop from his boy Saban on what Jones can do....
We are much better off paying Tyrod 5 million to come hold the clipboard. Looking for cheap backups in draft is something you do once you pay the QB big money.
You know Judge will get the inside scoop from his boy Saban on what Jones can do....
I would consider drafting a QB, but not in rd 2. Too many needs to take a backup that high.
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on not looking very good ... he showed his worth in the Clemson game. As for Jones, I think the Brady in college comparison is a good one. This guy is smart, and does all the important things well except run ... and most importantly he is a proven winner. With the right team he might do very well.
Fields didn’t look inhibited to me and this game tells you a lot more about Fields than last week did. Day handed Dabos staff it’s cookies, that wasn’t going to happen against Saban and company. It was hit or miss with him, but I don’t think he’s this sure thing at all and personally I put him after Wilson.
FWIW, Fields was considered, physically, about 70% going into the game. And I'm not sure how close you follow this, but OSU's OL was in shambles coming into the game and got worse during the game.
Fields is a very tough kid. And I don't buy that he had a hip pointer from the Skalski hit. Skalski speared him in the ribs. I bet he had either very bruised ribs or maybe a few fractured ribs...
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Would the Giants consider taking him as a backup/insurance policy for DJ?
You know Judge will get the inside scoop from his boy Saban on what Jones can do....
We are much better off paying Tyrod 5 million to come hold the clipboard. Looking for cheap backups in draft is something you do once you pay the QB big money.
I'm out on that plan. I think a guy like Taylor or Brisett is a huge waste of money.
At this point, handing DJ anything doesn't make sense to me. If Saban says Mac has the goods - why not draft him in rd 2 and make it an open competition for the starting QB job?
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on not looking very good ... he showed his worth in the Clemson game. As for Jones, I think the Brady in college comparison is a good one. This guy is smart, and does all the important things well except run ... and most importantly he is a proven winner. With the right team he might do very well.
Fields didn’t look inhibited to me and this game tells you a lot more about Fields than last week did. Day handed Dabos staff it’s cookies, that wasn’t going to happen against Saban and company. It was hit or miss with him, but I don’t think he’s this sure thing at all and personally I put him after Wilson.
FWIW, Fields was considered, physically, about 70% going into the game. And I'm not sure how close you follow this, but OSU's OL was in shambles coming into the game and got worse during the game.
Fields is a very tough kid. And I don't buy that he had a hip pointer from the Skalski hit. Skalski speared him in the ribs. I bet he had either very bruised ribs or maybe a few fractured ribs...
I thought OSU's OL held up well against Alabama.
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Would the Giants consider taking him as a backup/insurance policy for DJ?
You know Judge will get the inside scoop from his boy Saban on what Jones can do....
We are much better off paying Tyrod 5 million to come hold the clipboard. Looking for cheap backups in draft is something you do once you pay the QB big money.
I'm out on that plan. I think a guy like Taylor or Brisett is a huge waste of money.
At this point, handing DJ anything doesn't make sense to me. If Saban says Mac has the goods - why not draft him in rd 2 and make it an open competition for the starting QB job?
Because he isn’t competing with DJ. He’s a product of everything around him. I’d imagine Saban would agree with that statement.
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on not looking very good ... he showed his worth in the Clemson game. As for Jones, I think the Brady in college comparison is a good one. This guy is smart, and does all the important things well except run ... and most importantly he is a proven winner. With the right team he might do very well.
Fields didn’t look inhibited to me and this game tells you a lot more about Fields than last week did. Day handed Dabos staff it’s cookies, that wasn’t going to happen against Saban and company. It was hit or miss with him, but I don’t think he’s this sure thing at all and personally I put him after Wilson.
FWIW, Fields was considered, physically, about 70% going into the game. And I'm not sure how close you follow this, but OSU's OL was in shambles coming into the game and got worse during the game.
Fields is a very tough kid. And I don't buy that he had a hip pointer from the Skalski hit. Skalski speared him in the ribs. I bet he had either very bruised ribs or maybe a few fractured ribs...
I’m not buying that shit either and obviously they wanted to protect the ribs. Game day props on Fields rushing yards went from 32 to 50. That’s a clear indication he was good to go. Lines don’t move like that without solid information. It didn’t hamper him throwing the ball either. We saw the results of what happened on a pretty even field when Day can’t just produce a ton for him. It’s tough to filter the noise for these QBs that play at Bama, Clemson, OSU, and Oklahoma. I’m not enamored with what I saw even though the physical tools are there. Still think Zack Wilson is a better prospect. I mean we have people that think if we draft Mac in 2nd round he could compete with DJ. Yeh okay. Pressure is king in NFL, just look at Jared Goff.
For example, WFT (I doubt they think Heinicke is the answer, and Smith is likely to retire), Houston (if they trade Watson they have enough to move up), Chicago (Foles may be done, Trubisky isn't the answer), Detroit (they may want to move on from Stafford), Miami (if they don't get Watson),Pats (Newton is done), the Jets, the Falcons, the Eagles may all be looking to upgrade their QB's, and may not want to settle for retreads.
I'm a coin toss right now between Wilson and Fields. Wilson throws a better ball and has a quicker release. But Fields is a better dual threat who could probably become even more refined in the pocket.
Re: Goff. Did you see him his final year at Cal under Sonny Dykes? Dykes's RPO nearly got Goff killed every game because of the horrendous pass protection. And Goff still made some of the best throws I saw that year. So I have always been fond of his toughness. But his problem is two fold right now - his arm is really just average and he's struggling making reads (confidence).
Ordinary arm + confidence issues = big problems.
I'm a coin toss right now between Wilson and Fields. Wilson throws a better ball and has a quicker release. But Fields is a better dual threat who could probably become even more refined in the pocket.
Re: Goff. Did you see him his final year at Cal under Sonny Dykes? Dykes's RPO nearly got Goff killed every game because of the horrendous pass protection. And Goff still made some of the best throws I saw that year. So I have always been fond of his toughness. But his problem is two fold right now - his arm is really just average and he's struggling making reads (confidence).
Ordinary arm + confidence issues = big problems.
Goffs biggest problem is decision making under duress. He just doesn’t read the field fast enough or make good decisions under pressure. He has a solid arm and he’s a guy that if you give him time exhibits very good ball placement. Which is exactly why he tears it up when you protect him, but is awful against pressure. The books aren’t even adjusting the line depending what QB goes next week and it certainly didn’t seem like there were set backs with the thumb. Not good when that’s the reality oh your highly paid QB.
The RPO is a completely different ballgame there. Yeah your getting hit but you know exactly where you are going with ball based on what you see presnap and one guy post snap.
And btw, my goodness, OSU's left CB was just roasted over and over, two consecutive games. Yes, he was up against good talent (superior in D Smith), but he did not look up to the tasks at hand.
And btw, my goodness, OSU's left CB was just roasted over and over, two consecutive games. Yes, he was up against good talent (superior in D Smith), but he did not look up to the tasks at hand.
FWIW, with the way the game was schemed by Sarkisian and the time Jones had, he didn't really have to drill the ball. Most of the throws required touch and accuracy, and he did that pretty well last night...
2) very inconsistent?
Tell me if I’m off base with that.
But but but the GM of the 11th pick NEVER trades diwn!!!
Seriously it's very easy to imagine that BB will very much admire the most positive traits of Mac Jones and plunk him at 15.
If Jones is still on the board then.
Interesting. Thanks B^3!