Just heard them discussing how Gettleman seems to work well with Judge and it was the right decision to keep him.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
Just heard them discussing how Gettleman seems to work well with Judge and it was the right decision to keep him.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
This sort of thoughtful, reasoned discussion won't play well with the anti-DG mob.
We’re the worst part until Judge. It is clear that when he has great coaches, he gets them what they want.
He has has his years of experience to contribute to the conversation. In some ways he is what people describe as the type of GM they would want for Judge.
Just heard them discussing how Gettleman seems to work well with Judge and it was the right decision to keep him.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
Similarly, Accorsi went from being a poor GM with Fassel to a very good one with Coughlin. The working relationship between these guys matters.
Just heard them discussing how Gettleman seems to work well with Judge and it was the right decision to keep him.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
I look at it like this. If you were going to fire him after having a good year because his previous 2 were bad, you shouldn't have brought him back for the 3rd year in the first place...
Just heard them discussing how Gettleman seems to work well with Judge and it was the right decision to keep him.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
Similarly, Accorsi went from being a poor GM with Fassel to a very good one with Coughlin. The working relationship between these guys matters.
This is somewhat revisionist/glossing over history probably due to the SB win that occurred. Accorsi and Coughlin were both professionals, but things were not all hunky dory.
Accorsi did not want Coughlin as coach initially (and it was a Wellington Mara call). Reportedly he favored at least two other candidates and was the one who reached out to Saban on interest in jumping to the NFL.
Also, Coughlin reportedly favored Roethlisberger instead of Manning and did not want Burress at all and while deferred to Coughlin to be allowed to build his staff, was openly critical of the early coordinators on Coughlin's staffs those first few years (Hugnagel, Lewis).
as a GM then I am fine keeping him. I'm not sure what it says about Gettleman that he whiffed on so many evaluations working with Shurmur but got much better when working with Judge.
Seems like he is a pretty small part of the equation and if so, I guess it doesn't matter if it is him or someone else in that role as long as Judge is making him make better decisions.
Just heard them discussing how Gettleman seems to work well with Judge and it was the right decision to keep him.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
I think this is a pretty good take on the decision. But here is the thing, IMO --if your primary motivation for bringing DG back is because the improvements are the result of working with Judge and the two working well together, then I would suggest you have to scale back DGs decision making authority. It can't be the typical buck stops at the top situation if the value of the guy is intimately dependent on others.
RE: If Judge has reigned in Gettleman's worst instincts
as a GM then I am fine keeping him. I'm not sure what it says about Gettleman that he whiffed on so many evaluations working with Shurmur but got much better when working with Judge.
Seems like he is a pretty small part of the equation and if so, I guess it doesn't matter if it is him or someone else in that role as long as Judge is making him make better decisions.
Coaching plays a role in how the talent looks too. No better examples than Peppers and Williams this season.
My biggest disappointment with Shurmur (and there were many) was the lack of creativity he showed in getting Barkley the ball, particularly out of the backfield. Sure, Barkley caught lots of passes, but most were checkdowns and you certainly didn't see the varied looks that teams like the Saints and Panthers used with Kamara and McCaffrey.
Another (potential) instance of failed coaching could be Solder's performance. There were lots of discussion about how the Giants QBs would drop deeper and that many of the sacks Solder gave up were on plays where he would've ridden the DE right past Brady (who had shallower drops). No matter how you slice this, its poor coaching. Either they needed to run more drills to get Solder to push his man even deeper down field or they needed shorter drops for the QB.
Solder was never really more than an above average
lineman in New England. It would be nice to think a simple technique change would make him effective, but it is more than that. We invested heavily in a guy because there was a shortage at the position and we were plugging holes.
Just heard them discussing how Gettleman seems to work well with Judge and it was the right decision to keep him.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
This sort of thoughtful, reasoned discussion won't play well with the anti-DG mob.
that good coaches make mediocre NFL talent good. There is little doubt in my mind that this coaching staff would have been able to do more with the players that Shurmur had then Shurmur's staff did.
I also think Judge is able to tell DG exactly what he wants and the type of player he needs to succeed. I fully expect DG and Judge to nail FA and the draft again(if you consider last offseason a success - which I do).
RE: Solder was never really more than an above average
lineman in New England. It would be nice to think a simple technique change would make him effective, but it is more than that. We invested heavily in a guy because there was a shortage at the position and we were plugging holes.
No doubt we overpaid due to a desperate need and a lack of possible solutions at the position, but he went from being an average (or above average) LT to one of the worst in the NFL and it wasn't really accompanied by anything physical (as far as we know).
Just heard them discussing how Gettleman seems to work well with Judge and it was the right decision to keep him.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
This sort of thoughtful, reasoned discussion won't play well with the anti-DG mob.
Or fans who want a product to be proud of and not a team starving for talent across the board but by all means please continue to pamper grandpa Dave.
the perception a lot here like to project on Gettleman is that he's gruff and dismissive, but this is now at least the 2nd HC he's reportedly worked very well with.
Ron Rivera and him had an excellent working relationship because they agreed on a common goal and then took actions to meet it. Rivera had a difficult time working with Marty Hurney.
the perception a lot here like to project on Gettleman is that he's gruff and dismissive, but this is now at least the 2nd HC he's reportedly worked very well with.
Ron Rivera and him had an excellent working relationship because they agreed on a common goal and then took actions to meet it. Rivera had a difficult time working with Marty Hurney.
Always meant to ask you if you thought Rivera was 100% on board with taking Lotulelei and Short in the 1st/2nd of their first draft in 2013. I have family in Charlotte, so I was paying close attention and I always thought so.
a lot here project on Gettleman is that he's gruff and dismissive at all. Mostly because they don't know and don't really care.
They perception they project on him is that he really struggles at building a winning roster. Mostly because we know and really care.
Yeah right. We didn't have numerous threads on him talking about computer guys or for his abrupt behavior.
Keep on keeping on Googs.
Racer - from what I know of the way the Panthers operated when Rivera and Gettleman were in Carolina, the draft was very collaborative. And Richardson stayed out of it. He didn't get involved until players were around for awhile - and that's where both Gettleman and Rivera had issues - trying to accommodate Richardson's favorite guys
I said this in the other thread, but is worth repeating..
From listening to these interviews, it is clear Judge is very involved in personnel. This thought that Gettleman is making all these decisions in a vacuum just doesn’t appear to be true. He’s not making personnel decisions while Judge is sitting around doing nothing.
Judge has noted that he’s already looking at free agency and the draft. He will work with Gettleman. So many on BBI cannot process this.
Any personnel decision that happened before Judge arrived doesn’t really matter. There are consequences of those decisions, but the results DG/Judge yielded in their first year together was clearly better than DG/Shurmur.
I’ll also defend the Giants here: Could you imagine how BBI would react if we found out the Giants ownership/front office pulled what Lurie & Roseman pulled? A super bowl winning coach can’t even pick his staff 3 years removed from winning it all? Imagine BBI if that came to light with the Giants?
Lastly, most GM’s outlast the first coach. BBI loves the Cardinals, but how many chances has Steve Keim had? And he’s had some huge errors. It’s about how the head coach & general manager work together.
It's crystal clear Gettleman is a sidekick, and not a lead act. He's more HR manager, than team architect.
He needs a strong lead - Rivera, Judge, Coughlin. We saw what happened when he moonlit as lead dog in the Shurmur era.
Way too much is made about Mara pulling the strings on Gettleman. I think it's the exact opposite -- those two years were a mess because no one was pulling the strings on Gettleman.
Seems like he's back in his comfort zone, cracking jokes and sharing wisdom while Judge finds the players and Abrams negotiates the contracts.
thinking to do on that or even a response to make since you are just being your dense self. It is the schtick of a previously banned poster just adding the usual nothing comment.
thinking to do on that or even a response to make since you are just being your dense self. It is the schtick of a previously banned poster just adding the usual nothing comment.
Googs being Googs.
Incorrect again. The tiring schtick is you defending DG at all costs for whatever reason.
Even making up that posters think he is abrupt versus actually talking too much.
It's crystal clear Gettleman is a sidekick, and not a lead act. He's more HR manager, than team architect.
He needs a strong lead - Rivera, Judge, Coughlin. We saw what happened when he moonlit as lead dog in the Shurmur era.
Way too much is made about Mara pulling the strings on Gettleman. I think it's the exact opposite -- those two years were a mess because no one was pulling the strings on Gettleman.
Seems like he's back in his comfort zone, cracking jokes and sharing wisdom while Judge finds the players and Abrams negotiates the contracts.
It’s always about the head coach. The NFL has always been a head coach league, the general manager supports the head coach. Unlike baseball, where the manager supports the general manager.
The Giants have gotten results with Parcells & Coughlin, both elite head coaches. Funny how both George Young & Ernie Accorsi performed much better when they were coaching.
It's crystal clear Gettleman is a sidekick, and not a lead act. He's more HR manager, than team architect.
Really? Even after Gettleman's year presser in '19 and this year?
Mara raved last year about the way DG overhauled the player evaluation process; and he didn't want to possibly lose if another GM came in. And last week - looking back on 2020 - Mara said he really never gave it any thought about getting rid of Gettleman. That didn't sound like a GM who was riding shotgun or in the backseat...
Old man Mara always felt the GM role was crucial. And there is absolutely nothing in John's history to suggest he's ever felt differently.
So why I would like to believe that Gettleman is basically a dotted line to Judge on the org chart, I simply don't buy it until I see tangible evidence...
Gettleman is still heavily involved, but show is Judge. It is clear from Judge’s interviews today he has a big voice in personnel as it pertains to free agency and the draft.
What does 2018/19 have to do with the DG/Judge dynamic? Also, I would have moved off DG for the record, but I can see the logic in looking at the prior years moves and retaining him.
Possibly Judge is still navigating his path within theGiants franchise
right now. And he is doing it with necessary savvy.
While Judge probably still has things to learn about the admin/GM side of things, my guess is he is picking up that part of the job very quickly. Fairly obvious the improvement in player personnel moves in 2020 was due to his involvement, or do you really believe Getty smartened up overnight after two disaster years?
With Judge's star on the rise, no reason to create a problem in the offices so in the short term he supports keeping Gettleman around. He will be retiring soon enough anyway and even more power will then transfer to Judge.
So in the meanwhile, give DG something to do. Support him publicly, collaborate with him privately, let DG drive the initial leg work & research on offseason needs and then Judge will weigh in at the end on best strategies to go execute against.
Really? Even after Gettleman's year presser in '19 and this year?
Mara raved last year about the way DG overhauled the player evaluation process; and he didn't want to possibly lose if another GM came in. And last week - looking back on 2020 - Mara said he really never gave it any thought about getting rid of Gettleman. That didn't sound like a GM who was riding shotgun or in the backseat...
Old man Mara always felt the GM role was crucial. And there is absolutely nothing in John's history to suggest he's ever felt differently.
So why I would like to believe that Gettleman is basically a dotted line to Judge on the org chart, I simply don't buy it until I see tangible evidence...
I think general management is very important to Jr. Mara, I just don’t think big Dave is doing much of it anymore. Those wheels seem to be getting turned by Judge and Abrams.
Seems like Dave’s new jam is setting up the departments, systems, etc. Not architecting the team.
I agree. I think Mara knows Abrams is the next guy and feels he’s capable. Mara alluded to having succession plan discussions at the presser, but wasn’t going to make them public.
I think with a better year in 2021, the torch gets passed to Abrams.
^ Yup. I also think a tell tale sign is also these 3-year deals. Bradberry, Martinez, Ryan. It’s pretty clear a cap guy is planning and closing these deals. A guy with a lot of confidence in the finances. And a guy who knows he won’t need to kick guaranteed money down the road to make up for his other mistakes.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
This sort of thoughtful, reasoned discussion won't play well with the anti-DG mob.
He has has his years of experience to contribute to the conversation. In some ways he is what people describe as the type of GM they would want for Judge.
This year will be telling.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
Similarly, Accorsi went from being a poor GM with Fassel to a very good one with Coughlin. The working relationship between these guys matters.
Poking around free agents and early draft stuff.
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Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
I look at it like this. If you were going to fire him after having a good year because his previous 2 were bad, you shouldn't have brought him back for the 3rd year in the first place...
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Just heard them discussing how Gettleman seems to work well with Judge and it was the right decision to keep him.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
Similarly, Accorsi went from being a poor GM with Fassel to a very good one with Coughlin. The working relationship between these guys matters.
This is somewhat revisionist/glossing over history probably due to the SB win that occurred. Accorsi and Coughlin were both professionals, but things were not all hunky dory.
Accorsi did not want Coughlin as coach initially (and it was a Wellington Mara call). Reportedly he favored at least two other candidates and was the one who reached out to Saban on interest in jumping to the NFL.
Also, Coughlin reportedly favored Roethlisberger instead of Manning and did not want Burress at all and while deferred to Coughlin to be allowed to build his staff, was openly critical of the early coordinators on Coughlin's staffs those first few years (Hugnagel, Lewis).
Seems like he is a pretty small part of the equation and if so, I guess it doesn't matter if it is him or someone else in that role as long as Judge is making him make better decisions.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
Seems like he is a pretty small part of the equation and if so, I guess it doesn't matter if it is him or someone else in that role as long as Judge is making him make better decisions.
Coaching plays a role in how the talent looks too. No better examples than Peppers and Williams this season.
My biggest disappointment with Shurmur (and there were many) was the lack of creativity he showed in getting Barkley the ball, particularly out of the backfield. Sure, Barkley caught lots of passes, but most were checkdowns and you certainly didn't see the varied looks that teams like the Saints and Panthers used with Kamara and McCaffrey.
Another (potential) instance of failed coaching could be Solder's performance. There were lots of discussion about how the Giants QBs would drop deeper and that many of the sacks Solder gave up were on plays where he would've ridden the DE right past Brady (who had shallower drops). No matter how you slice this, its poor coaching. Either they needed to run more drills to get Solder to push his man even deeper down field or they needed shorter drops for the QB.
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Just heard them discussing how Gettleman seems to work well with Judge and it was the right decision to keep him.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
This sort of thoughtful, reasoned discussion won't play well with the anti-DG mob.
Go Terps, LBH15, bw incoming in 5, 4, 3, 2.....
Yep, 2018 was a mess. I suspect Eli was forced on DG, no facts to back that up though.
I also think Judge is able to tell DG exactly what he wants and the type of player he needs to succeed. I fully expect DG and Judge to nail FA and the draft again(if you consider last offseason a success - which I do).
No doubt we overpaid due to a desperate need and a lack of possible solutions at the position, but he went from being an average (or above average) LT to one of the worst in the NFL and it wasn't really accompanied by anything physical (as far as we know).
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Just heard them discussing how Gettleman seems to work well with Judge and it was the right decision to keep him.
Made me think: If you re grading Gettleman on his three years here he should probably be gone.
But if you grade him on just last season they probably did do the correct thing keeping him.
You can’t go back and undo the past, and if you really do believe after 2 less than great years from Gettleman the team is really set up for success moving forward, why would you start all over again.
Unless you are a fan unwilling to recognize the last season as a season of growth, there is a good argument for bringing DG back.
This sort of thoughtful, reasoned discussion won't play well with the anti-DG mob.
Or fans who want a product to be proud of and not a team starving for talent across the board but by all means please continue to pamper grandpa Dave.
Ron Rivera and him had an excellent working relationship because they agreed on a common goal and then took actions to meet it. Rivera had a difficult time working with Marty Hurney.
They perception they project on him is that he really struggles at building a winning roster. Mostly because we know and really care.
Ron Rivera and him had an excellent working relationship because they agreed on a common goal and then took actions to meet it. Rivera had a difficult time working with Marty Hurney.
Always meant to ask you if you thought Rivera was 100% on board with taking Lotulelei and Short in the 1st/2nd of their first draft in 2013. I have family in Charlotte, so I was paying close attention and I always thought so.
They perception they project on him is that he really struggles at building a winning roster. Mostly because we know and really care.
Yeah right. We didn't have numerous threads on him talking about computer guys or for his abrupt behavior.
Keep on keeping on Googs.
Racer - from what I know of the way the Panthers operated when Rivera and Gettleman were in Carolina, the draft was very collaborative. And Richardson stayed out of it. He didn't get involved until players were around for awhile - and that's where both Gettleman and Rivera had issues - trying to accommodate Richardson's favorite guys
Judge has noted that he’s already looking at free agency and the draft. He will work with Gettleman. So many on BBI cannot process this.
Any personnel decision that happened before Judge arrived doesn’t really matter. There are consequences of those decisions, but the results DG/Judge yielded in their first year together was clearly better than DG/Shurmur.
I’ll also defend the Giants here: Could you imagine how BBI would react if we found out the Giants ownership/front office pulled what Lurie & Roseman pulled? A super bowl winning coach can’t even pick his staff 3 years removed from winning it all? Imagine BBI if that came to light with the Giants?
Lastly, most GM’s outlast the first coach. BBI loves the Cardinals, but how many chances has Steve Keim had? And he’s had some huge errors. It’s about how the head coach & general manager work together.
He needs a strong lead - Rivera, Judge, Coughlin. We saw what happened when he moonlit as lead dog in the Shurmur era.
Way too much is made about Mara pulling the strings on Gettleman. I think it's the exact opposite -- those two years were a mess because no one was pulling the strings on Gettleman.
Seems like he's back in his comfort zone, cracking jokes and sharing wisdom while Judge finds the players and Abrams negotiates the contracts.
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a lot here project on Gettleman is that he's gruff and dismissive at all. Mostly because they don't know and don't really care.
They perception they project on him is that he really struggles at building a winning roster. Mostly because we know and really care.
Yeah right. We didn't have numerous threads on him talking about computer guys or for his abrupt behavior.
I don't see the connection of BBI making light of some of his silly media commentary and him being gruff in your view?
Think hard and try and do some type of spin here.
Googs being Googs.
Googs being Googs.
Incorrect again. The tiring schtick is you defending DG at all costs for whatever reason.
Even making up that posters think he is abrupt versus actually talking too much.
He needs a strong lead - Rivera, Judge, Coughlin. We saw what happened when he moonlit as lead dog in the Shurmur era.
Way too much is made about Mara pulling the strings on Gettleman. I think it's the exact opposite -- those two years were a mess because no one was pulling the strings on Gettleman.
Seems like he's back in his comfort zone, cracking jokes and sharing wisdom while Judge finds the players and Abrams negotiates the contracts.
It’s always about the head coach. The NFL has always been a head coach league, the general manager supports the head coach. Unlike baseball, where the manager supports the general manager.
The Giants have gotten results with Parcells & Coughlin, both elite head coaches. Funny how both George Young & Ernie Accorsi performed much better when they were coaching.
Really? Even after Gettleman's year presser in '19 and this year?
Mara raved last year about the way DG overhauled the player evaluation process; and he didn't want to possibly lose if another GM came in. And last week - looking back on 2020 - Mara said he really never gave it any thought about getting rid of Gettleman. That didn't sound like a GM who was riding shotgun or in the backseat...
Old man Mara always felt the GM role was crucial. And there is absolutely nothing in John's history to suggest he's ever felt differently.
So why I would like to believe that Gettleman is basically a dotted line to Judge on the org chart, I simply don't buy it until I see tangible evidence...
What does 2018/19 have to do with the DG/Judge dynamic? Also, I would have moved off DG for the record, but I can see the logic in looking at the prior years moves and retaining him.
While Judge probably still has things to learn about the admin/GM side of things, my guess is he is picking up that part of the job very quickly. Fairly obvious the improvement in player personnel moves in 2020 was due to his involvement, or do you really believe Getty smartened up overnight after two disaster years?
With Judge's star on the rise, no reason to create a problem in the offices so in the short term he supports keeping Gettleman around. He will be retiring soon enough anyway and even more power will then transfer to Judge.
So in the meanwhile, give DG something to do. Support him publicly, collaborate with him privately, let DG drive the initial leg work & research on offseason needs and then Judge will weigh in at the end on best strategies to go execute against.
Just spitballing.
Mara raved last year about the way DG overhauled the player evaluation process; and he didn't want to possibly lose if another GM came in. And last week - looking back on 2020 - Mara said he really never gave it any thought about getting rid of Gettleman. That didn't sound like a GM who was riding shotgun or in the backseat...
Old man Mara always felt the GM role was crucial. And there is absolutely nothing in John's history to suggest he's ever felt differently.
So why I would like to believe that Gettleman is basically a dotted line to Judge on the org chart, I simply don't buy it until I see tangible evidence...
I think general management is very important to Jr. Mara, I just don’t think big Dave is doing much of it anymore. Those wheels seem to be getting turned by Judge and Abrams.
Seems like Dave’s new jam is setting up the departments, systems, etc. Not architecting the team.
I think with a better year in 2021, the torch gets passed to Abrams.