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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 8:19 am
-Nothing too notable from the Lindor presser. Came off as affable and a good dude. Noted he's open to an extension but wants it done before some point in ST. It'll get done. Nitpicking but weird they didn't send him a jersey to throw on

-Carrasco presser at 1PM

-Hendriks 54 million guaranteed with CHW. He's the best RP in baseball. Their pen is loaded on paper. Would love to see the Mets add to the 3 good RP they have. Lugo/Diaz/May.

-Marlins and Sox have discussed Benintendi
Think the Mets need to add  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2021 8:51 am : link
One solid reliever ala Hand or Wilson. Outside of that, I think you’re looking at minor league and ST invites. Don’t see them cutting or eating Betances or Familia. Brach is on a ML deal so he probably has an inside track as well. The loser of Matz/Peterson ends up as the long man when Thor returns.

Diaz
Lugo
Hand
May
Betances
Familia
Brach
Matz
I forgot about Miguel Castro  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2021 8:53 am : link
Who’s only 26. He should factor somewhere too. Anybody know if he has options?
RE: I forgot about Miguel Castro  
KDavies : 1/12/2021 9:01 am : link
In comment 15119824 ZGiants98 said:
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Who’s only 26. He should factor somewhere too. Anybody know if he has options?


Regardless, I'd go Castro over Brach if they got a Wilson/Hand and couldn't keep both. Trade Brach for a bag of balls.
If  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 9:10 am : link
the Mets wait until after opening day to make Lindor's contract official they can avoid lux tax implications for 2021 without Lindor forfeiting any money. 1+10 would save the Mets 12-15 million vs. 2021's lux tax.

-Castro is out of options
RE: Think the Mets need to add  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 9:12 am : link
In comment 15119820 ZGiants98 said:
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One solid reliever ala Hand or Wilson. Outside of that, I think you’re looking at minor league and ST invites. Don’t see them cutting or eating Betances or Familia. Brach is on a ML deal so he probably has an inside track as well. The loser of Matz/Peterson ends up as the long man when Thor returns.

Diaz
Lugo
Hand
May
Betances
Familia
Brach
Matz


I doubt they put Peterson in the BP to open the season. They have very, very little SP depth. He'd likely be sent to Syracuse to pitch every 5th day and be the "next man" up.
Mets would be one injury to any of the top 3  
Metnut : 1/12/2021 9:29 am : link
from starting Peterson, Matz and Oswalt (or someone similar) for 60% of the games. That’s a recipe for missing the playoffs.

Most teams can just go with a top 3 like ours and get by with the rest of the depth but management has emptied our farm system and there’s no help on the way. Unless Lugo is going to the rotation until Thor demonstrates that he’s healthy, the top need has to be another starting pitcher.
Kluber  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 9:46 am : link
Throws tomorrow
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RE: Mets would be one injury to any of the top 3  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 9:47 am : link
In comment 15119872 Metnut said:
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from starting Peterson, Matz and Oswalt (or someone similar) for 60% of the games. That’s a recipe for missing the playoffs.

Most teams can just go with a top 3 like ours and get by with the rest of the depth but management has emptied our farm system and there’s no help on the way. Unless Lugo is going to the rotation until Thor demonstrates that he’s healthy, the top need has to be another starting pitcher.


All of the writers seem to think Lugo will be in the pen (as he should). Heyman even indicated privately they have said as much.
I'd be real surprised if they don't add 2 or 3 veteran SPs  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 9:54 am : link
they aren't going to be big $ and the players they add may appear to be close to done, but I expect them to give out a few contracts somewhere between what the Rays gave Wacha and the Braves gave Chacin. Just need to find the right players who ideally wouldn't mind serving as depth over the course of the season if there's not an immediate opening in the rotation.
Again  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:01 am : link
Going to mention Rich Hill, hs buddies with Porter, credits Porter with saving his career while with Boston. Strong vs. lefties, yes he’s ancient and injury prone but that’s why he’d be a a cheap option. 1 season 4+ FIP since 2009
RE: RE: Think the Mets need to add  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2021 10:14 am : link
In comment 15119846 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15119820 ZGiants98 said:


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One solid reliever ala Hand or Wilson. Outside of that, I think you’re looking at minor league and ST invites. Don’t see them cutting or eating Betances or Familia. Brach is on a ML deal so he probably has an inside track as well. The loser of Matz/Peterson ends up as the long man when Thor returns.

Diaz
Lugo
Hand
May
Betances
Familia
Brach
Matz



I doubt they put Peterson in the BP to open the season. They have very, very little SP depth. He'd likely be sent to Syracuse to pitch every 5th day and be the "next man" up.


Agreed. I am curious though if Matz and Peterson both start out in the rotation, both pitch decent, and Syndergaard rejoins in June, if Peterson would go down still. I guess he certainly could. I think most likely he sticks as the 5 and they push Matz to the pen.
RE: Again  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 10:15 am : link
In comment 15119926 DanMetroMan said:
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Going to mention Rich Hill, hs buddies with Porter, credits Porter with saving his career while with Boston. Strong vs. lefties, yes he’s ancient and injury prone but that’s why he’d be a a cheap option. 1 season 4+ FIP since 2009


Yup exactly that type. They are very likely to be last minute type signings for guys who are looking for jobs that don't have a ton of interest.

Before that I'd expect them to try to add to the BP and possibly add someone in the IF while they wait out the Springer market. Really stinks they weren't able to just claim Hand when he was available.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:16 am : link
think that would be a great problem to have. Matz pitching so well, the other 3 SP's healthy, and Thor returning. Obviously, if we are talking playoff run it's all hands on deck but Peterson currently is the 4 or 5 and odds are he'll open in the rotation or "next man up". He showed flashes but also looked like a guy who could use a few weeks/months in the minors if need be.
RE: RE: Again  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:18 am : link
In comment 15119954 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15119926 DanMetroMan said:


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Going to mention Rich Hill, hs buddies with Porter, credits Porter with saving his career while with Boston. Strong vs. lefties, yes he’s ancient and injury prone but that’s why he’d be a a cheap option. 1 season 4+ FIP since 2009



Yup exactly that type. They are very likely to be last minute type signings for guys who are looking for jobs that don't have a ton of interest.

Before that I'd expect them to try to add to the BP and possibly add someone in the IF while they wait out the Springer market. Really stinks they weren't able to just claim Hand when he was available.


My #1 guy in the "cheaper but has resume" bin is Yates, but it appears Yates STRONGLY prefers the WC so I don't think he's an option. That being said, there are a bunch of decent RP options out there. The more the merrier. I'd like Hand but at the right price, there are some legitimate red flags. I wouldn't go more than 2 years under any circumstances.
I think both Matz and Peterson will need to earn their spots  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 10:20 am : link
and I while I don't think it's high probability, I think there's a chance neither makes the rotation (I would not bet on that though, there's a much better chance both make it than neither).

but I do think they will bring in at least 2 veterans to compete because a) Matz could be awful like last year and b) Peterson, like all young players, could regress (sort of like Gsellman year 2).

Further putting pressure on both needing to "win" their roster spots, Matz saves them a nice chunk of money if he doesn't make the roster out of ST and Peterson has options to provide depth from the minors without going through waivers.

Point being both are going to need to earn their spots in ST. As it should be. And I expect the Mets to try to find possible alternatives in the event either one doesn't earn their spot (or both). As they should.
Fascinating  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:20 am : link
Jeff Passan
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If the White Sox decline the option, they will be able to pay the $15 million buyout over the course of multiple years. But the incentive certainly is there for the team to pick it up. And by going that big, the White Sox get the best closer in baseball the last two seasons.
BA  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:38 am : link
lists none in the top 50. Reportedly the top bonus the Mets gave out was 600,000. Unclear who got it.


NYMets945
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The following players are expected to be Mets IFAs when IFA begins Friday:
RHP Elian Nunez
OF Johairo Cuevas
SS Diego Mosquera
OF Gustavo Marquez
SS Samuel Camacaro
RHP Lennerd Ramos
RHP Aaron Martinez
RHP Enderson Arevalo
LHP Inmer Lobo
C Ruben Tatis
OF Sebastian Castro
RE: BA  
Metnut : 1/12/2021 10:43 am : link
In comment 15119984 DanMetroMan said:
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lists none in the top 50. Reportedly the top bonus the Mets gave out was 600,000. Unclear who got it.


NYMets945
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The following players are expected to be Mets IFAs when IFA begins Friday:
RHP Elian Nunez
OF Johairo Cuevas
SS Diego Mosquera
OF Gustavo Marquez
SS Samuel Camacaro
RHP Lennerd Ramos
RHP Aaron Martinez
RHP Enderson Arevalo
LHP Inmer Lobo
C Ruben Tatis
OF Sebastian Castro


Is there any mechanism to roll the unused allocated IFA money over or do something else with it?
RE: RE: BA  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:47 am : link
In comment 15119990 Metnut said:
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In comment 15119984 DanMetroMan said:


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lists none in the top 50. Reportedly the top bonus the Mets gave out was 600,000. Unclear who got it.


NYMets945
@nymets945
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The following players are expected to be Mets IFAs when IFA begins Friday:
RHP Elian Nunez
OF Johairo Cuevas
SS Diego Mosquera
OF Gustavo Marquez
SS Samuel Camacaro
RHP Lennerd Ramos
RHP Aaron Martinez
RHP Enderson Arevalo
LHP Inmer Lobo
C Ruben Tatis
OF Sebastian Castro



Is there any mechanism to roll the unused allocated IFA money over or do something else with it?


It can be traded but the return is generally very, very small because it's just pool money for this 12 month period. For example, the Braves traded Randy Ventura for 1.25 million in pool money, most recently the Pirates got 143,000 in pool money for Dyson who was hitting .143 at the time.
That  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:47 am : link
should read 243,000
Rosenthal  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:50 am : link
(hard to see who this would come from)

"But an agent, saying the Jays and Mets should not be the only teams involved for a player of Springer’s quality, predicted the player might get $170 million to $190 million in a five- or six-year deal."
How close or over the LT are we if we added  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2021 10:51 am : link
1.) Springer 23-ish AAV
2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives

And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.
Dan is he saying that it shouldn’t be the case  
bhill410 : 1/12/2021 10:54 am : link
And is or that there are multiple teams in that are lurking.

It’s an agent so obviously they are living in an alternate reality where baseball didn’t get economically crushed last year.
RE: How close or over the LT are we if we added  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:56 am : link
In comment 15120000 ZGiants98 said:
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1.) Springer 23-ish AAV
2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives

And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.


There are bonus and extra figures that aren't public but for our purposes the Mets are between 23-28 million under the luxury tax as of today. So Springer (23 seems very low) but just going with your exercise, it would put the Mets either at the lux tax or 5 under. We can use the 28 million for these purposes...

So 28-23= +5, minus Matz = 9.2 (total), + Hand puts you at the lux tax limit. Hill would put you over. I also think 23 is very low on Springer. It's believed the Mets made him an offer in the 27 million dollar range as/is so Springer figures to clear 27-30 per.
RE: Dan is he saying that it shouldn’t be the case  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:58 am : link
In comment 15120001 bhill410 said:
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And is or that there are multiple teams in that are lurking.

It’s an agent so obviously they are living in an alternate reality where baseball didn’t get economically crushed last year.


He's suggesting other teams will/should eventually be involved. Who knows how true it is? (I still never count out the Dodgers or Angels for anything). The Dodgers have been hinting they are willing to toss out huge AAV's on short years, someone may bite. I'm not saying Springer takes 3 years 105 over X but it's also not crazy to believe he would.
Basically  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:59 am : link
as of today, the Mets are 23-28 million under and the Lindor extension could impact that. If they sign it after opening day it won't impact 2021, if they sign it and it replaces 2021, then subtract roughly 10 million from what they have to spend (while staying under).
RE: How close or over the LT are we if we added  
Metnut : 1/12/2021 11:00 am : link
In comment 15120000 ZGiants98 said:
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1.) Springer 23-ish AAV
2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives

And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.


This would be a nice way to finish the offseason. I think we’d have to trade Nimmo (wouldn’t be a dump, we’d get real assets back) or Betances (likely need to attach a small asset) to make the money work and add a tiny bit more IF depth.
Yeah that makes sense  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2021 11:01 am : link
Just think if we did get Springer, it’s gonna be at Sandy’s price and because George wants to come to NY and be on a team that’s got an arrow pointing straight up.

But going off Rosenthal. 28 AAV and 6 years gets you to 168 million. So maybe that’s closer.

Either way, I don’t think we’d be significantly over the tax. It’s the future, I’d be more worried about.
RE: If  
Named Later : 1/12/2021 11:02 am : link
In comment 15119844 DanMetroMan said:
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the Mets wait until after opening day to make Lindor's contract official they can avoid lux tax implications for 2021 without Lindor forfeiting any money. 1+10 would save the Mets 12-15 million vs. 2021's lux tax.


Wow.....very interesting angle on Lindor's contract announcement date. I had no idea there was such a loop-hole. A loop-hole big enough to drive a $12 Million truck thru !!

That's what I love about these 'MLB Chat' threads.

Re : Rich Hill -- I'm warming up to this idea. I know he's up there in years. He may just be an oldie, but a goodie.

I think Big Lefty Pete's long term future may be in the pen....he should probably start getting used to that role. I will never forget his outing against the Braves last Sept. He sent MVP Freddie back to the dugout 3 times.

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I  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 11:02 am : link
just find it very hard to believe Springer takes significantly LESS than the AAV he's already been offered. Even the Jays reported offer is already at 23 per. Unless he lands really huge years 7+ I think it's safe to predict he gets 27+.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 11:06 am : link
think David Peterson is an MLB SP and if that doesn't prove to be the case it will be because he was a "failed" starter. The Mets can't afford to use him in the pen right now. The SP depth is really, really, really thin and that's even if they do add an arm. He also had issues throwing strikes, innings and lots of them are likely the best correction for that. I've yet to see anyone on the Mets side suggest Peterson is a reliever. It may well happen in-season if there is a need, but that's not something they will do anytime soon.
David Peterson  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 11:10 am : link
105 games pitched (including college) 1 104 starts. The one game he didn't start he came in to replace Wacha in the third and went 4 innings.
RE: How close or over the LT are we if we added  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 11:12 am : link
In comment 15120000 ZGiants98 said:
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1.) Springer 23-ish AAV
2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives

And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.


I am pretty sure these moves would take them a few million over the LTT but they could do this and have $5m for in-season moves if they trade Betances.

He has a $6m salary which should be tradeable with a small asset attached, but counts 10.5m against the luxury tax (which makes him the ideal trade candidate for us).

I think this is what the Mets are hoping for to finish the offseason, though the price on Springer may be a little higher than 23m (though perhaps they can structure the contract creatively? We need to learn a whole new side of the CBA now that we have an owner actually willing to pay as much as possible for good players instead of the reverse).
..  
Named Later : 1/12/2021 11:13 am : link
I thought one of the Mets' scouting reports said he was best suited for long relief.

I love the kid as a SP, especially if Matz spits the bit again.
DMM - do you know how salary deferrals work re: LTT #?  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 11:15 am : link
I think that's what the Nats have done to stay under the LTT.
Peterson  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 11:16 am : link
is a huge bodied guy with "decent" stuff with a very good slider. His upside is capped by his stuff but I see no reason he's not given every chance to start. If he bombs then obviously they will have to make a decision.
RE: DMM - do you know how salary deferrals work re: LTT #?  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 11:22 am : link
In comment 15120026 Eric on Li said:
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I think that's what the Nats have done to stay under the LTT.


You don't save all of the deferred money as some are suggesting. It's simply reduced by the terms of the discount rate. I believe the MLBPA's agreed upon discount rate is currently 5.4%

" Let’s use Max Scherzer’s contract as an example. In January 2015, the Nationals agreed to sign him to a 7 year/$210 million contract. As part of the agreement though, Scherzer deferred all of his normal compensation from 2019 to 2021 to be paid across seven years after his contract expires (Though he still receives $15 million each year as part of his original signing bonus.) By doing so, this reduces the NPV of the contract by ~$18.6 million helping the Nationals reduce their luxury tax hit by $2.65 million per season. This may not seem like a lot, but the Nationals are an organization that utilizes deferred compensation quite frequently. Scherzer, Ryan Zimmerman, Stephen Strasburg, Daniel Murphy, Patrick Corbin, and several others have all agreed to some sort of deferred compensation deal allowing to Nationals to fit in more high value contracts without exceeding the tax line."
RE: ..  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 11:25 am : link
In comment 15120024 Named Later said:
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I thought one of the Mets' scouting reports said he was best suited for long relief.

I love the kid as a SP, especially if Matz spits the bit again.


Also worth noting anyone deemed a "long reliever" is simply someone not good enough to start. Long relievers are SP's that are not good enough to turnover a lineup and also not dominant enough to see late inning work. Peterson (like any P) could completely fall on his face, but multi-inning reliever isn't a long term role for a young/solid SP prospect. That's a role you may force him into with an in-season need but not a role you put him in to open a season. Including his time with the big club he's thrown 160 total innings above a-ball.
RE: RE: How close or over the LT are we if we added  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2021 11:33 am : link
In comment 15120023 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15120000 ZGiants98 said:


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1.) Springer 23-ish AAV
2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives

And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.



I am pretty sure these moves would take them a few million over the LTT but they could do this and have $5m for in-season moves if they trade Betances.

He has a $6m salary which should be tradeable with a small asset attached, but counts 10.5m against the luxury tax (which makes him the ideal trade candidate for us).

I think this is what the Mets are hoping for to finish the offseason, though the price on Springer may be a little higher than 23m (though perhaps they can structure the contract creatively? We need to learn a whole new side of the CBA now that we have an owner actually willing to pay as much as possible for good players instead of the reverse).


Yeah that’s one way. Maybe you could trade Familia too and eat a little there. Or you can just reduce the three players I mentioned. Instead of Hand, sign Wilson. Instead of Hill, bring in a Porcello type again. I think there’s probably a path to bring in Springer, round out the roster, and still be pretty close to the LT.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 11:47 am : link
Suspect Porcello gets more than Hill, at the very least comfortable. As for Familia, they likely would have to eat the majority (thus negating the impact). If a guy like Yates is looking for 5, and Familia makes 11... you likely have to include talent to move enough of Familia’s contract for it to really help.
Familia is too under water to be worth trading - may as well keep him  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 11:54 am : link
and hope for a bounce back.

Betances saves just as much, probably has less of a chance of bouncing back just because of his velo issues, and is significantly cheaper for the team acquiring him.

When they talked about potential salary dump trades on the table my guess is they have something lined up for him if/when they sign a RP.
Hendriks  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 12:08 pm : link
Deal likely hurts the chances the Mets land Hand. Wilson is probably more realistic.
I have been going back and forth on the Hendricks deal  
bhill410 : 1/12/2021 12:22 pm : link
I mean he is best reliever in baseball on a 13 average. Team option for 4th year that can instead be Bobby bonilla’d (tho haven’t seen number of years reported anywhere. 3/39 is pretty low if you consider some of contracts being given out in recent years (looking at you Chapman). Then again the guaranteed nature of 4th year certainly makes it more Appealling for player.
Hand  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 12:25 pm : link
Has some real red flags. I’m with the Mets. I wouldn’t go multiple years unless the AAV were very low
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If  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 1:09 pm : link
Kluber looks good I'd be ALL over adding him to ex-teammate Carrasco.
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 1:11 pm : link
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Carlos Carrasco's first text after the trade came from his former division rival and new catcher, James McCann.

-The Marlins have had discussions with the Cubs about catcher Willson Contreras, according to SportsGrid’s Craig Mish (Twitter link). There isn’t any sense that a trade might be close, as Mish describes the situation as “very fluid” considering how “the Cubs have big decisions to make across the board” (namely, trade talks involving several of their veteran players).
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 2:49 pm : link
Jose Quintana had made 31+ starts 7 consecutive seasons coming into 2020. He's not exciting but he's consistently solid. He'd be a very nice addition to @Mets
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 2:51 pm : link
Quintana isn't as "sexy" as Kluber/Paxton but he's also a safer bet to give you 20+ starts and probably the only one of the 3 you can entice with 2 years at a lower AAV which would help with LT concerns.
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 3:28 pm : link
One thing to monitor with any potential Benintendi trade. It should give us some idea what kind of return the Mets could/would receive if they decided to move Nimmo (not looking to deal him). Same years of control, Nimmo a year older. #Mets
FG has the Mets having the best SP  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2021 3:46 pm : link
In baseball as of today.
RE: .  
pjcas18 : 1/12/2021 3:56 pm : link
In comment 15120399 DanMetroMan said:
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One thing to monitor with any potential Benintendi trade. It should give us some idea what kind of return the Mets could/would receive if they decided to move Nimmo (not looking to deal him). Same years of control, Nimmo a year older. #Mets


Good comp, Nimmo is a little better player though, but I think it's a good gauge of the floor I guess.
RE: RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15120413 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15120399 DanMetroMan said:


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One thing to monitor with any potential Benintendi trade. It should give us some idea what kind of return the Mets could/would receive if they decided to move Nimmo (not looking to deal him). Same years of control, Nimmo a year older. #Mets



Good comp, Nimmo is a little better player though, but I think it's a good gauge of the floor I guess.


I'm thinking more of a basic "idea" as to what we could expect. I'd take Nimmo as well but it's not crazy. If the two teams swapped players nobody would go "woah!"
RE: FG has the Mets having the best SP  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15120412 ZGiants98 said:
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In baseball as of today.


It's silly. They have DeGrom at 6+ fWAR, which in itself isn't silly but shows how top-heavy they are. t goes beyond simply a very good (potential) top 4 with Syndergaard. Peterson is completely unproven/Matz has been awful and they have ZERO backfill at the AA/AAA level. 2019 they had 6 SP make 11+ starts, 2018 they had 6 SP make 12+ starts, 2017 they had 6 SP make 17+. I see 3 healthy very good options, Thor who hopefully is close to what he was pre-injury and ?? with no insurance behind them.
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 4:01 pm : link
Jeff Zimmerman very high on Andres Gimenez "Jeff Zimmerman: I’m high on Gimenez. He was a glove first guy but seems to be getting some power. I noticed his max exit velo is inline with Freddie Freeman and other bats. He could very much produce like the Sox’s Anderson."
Here's  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 4:03 pm : link
the bottom line... pitchers get hurt but lets just assume the top 3 are healthy (and assuming 162 games)

There are 162 starts needed.

90 or so to the top 30... that's still 72 starts you need to worry about, and injuries will in fact happen. Serious or not. I wouldn't count on Thor/Matz/Pederson for 72 starts if I were trying to win a WS.
I don’t disagree with you that they should  
bhill410 : 1/12/2021 4:16 pm : link
Get another start and option Peterson down to AAA, but with the lineup they have let’s not also ignore that yes they could make it to the playoffs with Peterson matz and Thor filling up those remaining 72. Is there uncertainty there, obviously, but it’s not as though this is the 07 team starting Brian Lawrence down the stretch.
RE: I don’t disagree with you that they should  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15120439 bhill410 said:
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Get another start and option Peterson down to AAA, but with the lineup they have let’s not also ignore that yes they could make it to the playoffs with Peterson matz and Thor filling up those remaining 72. Is there uncertainty there, obviously, but it’s not as though this is the 07 team starting Brian Lawrence down the stretch.


Well sure, there are tons of things that could happen this year. Maybe Familia, Betances and Brach all bounce back. Maybe Peterson is much better than he's shown etc. But on paper, they are very thin rotation wise. Matz is one of the worst SP in baseball over the last 3 seasons by both FIP and fWAR (and that's ignoring he was so bad in 2020 he basically was unpitchable). You want to put yourself in position to win games. Peterson/Matz/Kilome/Oswalt doesn't do that for you as your SP depth 5th and beyond (on paper).
It's  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 4:21 pm : link
worth noting the 2020 Mets bullpen finished 15th in fWAR, 16th in FIP, they added May and "lost" Wilson/Shreve. So outside of guys bouncing back (Familia, Betances, Brach, Gsellman) it's not as if the BP is a major strength on paper.
100%  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 4:25 pm : link
no snark, but save any "it's only 1/12" stuff. I fully recognize that fact. In no way am I complaining about the pitching for opening day on 1/12. I'm simply stating the facts/numbers.
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pjcas18 : 1/12/2021 4:43 pm : link
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Sandy Alderson on George Springer:

"Given the level of excitement, enthusiasm surrounding the Mets, I don't think we've been crossed off his list. ... I would say that we're still engaged, in a loose sense, with Springer."

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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 4:49 pm : link
If the numbers work we’d be interested but with Lindor he’s no longer a must have
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pjcas18 : 1/12/2021 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15120467 DanMetroMan said:
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If the numbers work we’d be interested but with Lindor he’s no longer a must have


Yeah, based on the phrasing it seems like the Mets are taking a Cespedes-like approach. Let him test the market and if he doesn't find what he wants, come back to us on our terms.

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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 4:55 pm : link
The first takeaway from @JonHeyman's interview with Sandy... @MetsGM and @StevenACohen2 have met in person... ONCE. wow.
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:03 pm : link
Sandy says they have not determined if they will be above the lux tax this off-season, notes that just because they are a big market team does not mean they do not have to "make choices", says the luxury tax "obviously" is at the back of their minds
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:03 pm : link
Sandy acknowledged (as we all knew) that the payrolls of @Mets
under the previous owners were kept were they were because they were influenced by "financial concerns"
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:05 pm : link
Lindor trade talks began as a "general discussion" in regard to who might be available (on both sides) and was not in regard to Lindor or Carrasco- per Sandy
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:07 pm : link
This is fascinating.... @MetsGM told @JonHeyman that @Mets became aware of Lindor's availability the same way "we" did... through media reports
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:11 pm : link
per Sandy acknowledges the team has depth issues. They will look to "work from the bench up and we'll see where it takes us"
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:13 pm : link
@MetsGM says the Mets have 2 "starters" in the OF and you need "at least 3, we need 4, probably 5" (Gimme Locastro!)
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:15 pm : link
@MetsGM acknowledges he doesn't want the lineup to be overly LH (would be a clear knock against JBJ in CF). Payroll IS a consideration per Sandy
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:17 pm : link
@Metsgm "we're still looking for pitching"
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:18 pm : link
Sandy hopes to decide Lugo's role "going into" ST. Future moves will dictate his role
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:22 pm : link
Sounds very unlikely @Mets
chase JBJ. Sandy twice notes how they are overly LH
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:26 pm : link
For all of you @TheRealSmith2_ fans... "Dom's not going anywhere" straight from the horse's mouth... or Sandy
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:28 pm : link
Sandy hopes Dom will "not have to see LF", "hopefully the DH is back".
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:30 pm : link
Sandy on @Noahsyndergaard
"right now I expect him back in the June time-frame, that could move up, that could move back, that was the last projection that I saw..."
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Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15120423 DanMetroMan said:
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Jeff Zimmerman very high on Andres Gimenez "Jeff Zimmerman: I’m high on Gimenez. He was a glove first guy but seems to be getting some power. I noticed his max exit velo is inline with Freddie Freeman and other bats. He could very much produce like the Sox’s Anderson."


I continue to think he is going to surprise people. I don't expect him to ever hit 30 homers and maybe not even 20, but I think he is going to be a good hitter at the top of an order for a long time. And the defense could be gold glove or close. They traded him off as good of a debut as he could have had but I don't think it was a fluke - he's highly athletic and is one of those guys who just knows how to play the game.

For as many obvious tools as Rosario had, I don't think I ever really felt that way even when it looked like he was turning the corner in Aug 2019.
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Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 5:34 pm : link
In comment 15120473 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15120467 DanMetroMan said:


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If the numbers work we’d be interested but with Lindor he’s no longer a must have



Yeah, based on the phrasing it seems like the Mets are taking a Cespedes-like approach. Let him test the market and if he doesn't find what he wants, come back to us on our terms.


100% agree with this strategy. Right now they have 0 true CF'ers and 0 OF'ers signed beyond the next 2 years. If they can get one of the best CF'ers in the game at a fair price they have to do it.

Also the Realmuto comments make me wonder if they essentially chose Springer > Realmuto knowing they could only wait on 1 of them and wanted to start filling some of the other needs. There's no McCann-type alternative in CF and Springer can shift over to a corner so I can't really argue the logic of choosing him (especially in combo with McCann).
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:36 pm : link
Sandy "One of the things we want to be able to do is sustain excellence. Which we weren't able to do before. I think part of that was my fault, but part of that was a lack of infrastructure" (made sure to note it's not only about wealth of the owner) #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15120521 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15120473 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 15120467 DanMetroMan said:


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If the numbers work we’d be interested but with Lindor he’s no longer a must have



Yeah, based on the phrasing it seems like the Mets are taking a Cespedes-like approach. Let him test the market and if he doesn't find what he wants, come back to us on our terms.




100% agree with this strategy. Right now they have 0 true CF'ers and 0 OF'ers signed beyond the next 2 years. If they can get one of the best CF'ers in the game at a fair price they have to do it.

Also the Realmuto comments make me wonder if they essentially chose Springer > Realmuto knowing they could only wait on 1 of them and wanted to start filling some of the other needs. There's no McCann-type alternative in CF and Springer can shift over to a corner so I can't really argue the logic of choosing him (especially in combo with McCann).


He flat out said they think they have 2 starting OF's and joked "well we need 3, and we need 3, 4, and 5". Made clear he loves Dom Smith's bat and his impact on the team but ideally, Dom wouldn't see any LF.
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:39 pm : link
sounded quite meh on JDD, that's my own personal take. With guys like Lugo and Dom, he sounded very complimentary, JDD was simply a guy who may or may not be forced into a less than ideal spot.
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Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 5:40 pm : link
In comment 15120523 DanMetroMan said:
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Sandy "One of the things we want to be able to do is sustain excellence. Which we weren't able to do before. I think part of that was my fault, but part of that was a lack of infrastructure" (made sure to note it's not only about wealth of the owner) #Mets


One of the most telling quotes from Sandy in his first run was when they asked if he was coming back after his treatment and he said "i'm not sure if I deserve to". That is rare introspection especially among an extremely accomplished person.

Looking back at how much talent is still in this org today thanks to him and what happened when the Wilpons were left to their own devices he was actually deserving of a bust in cooperstown lol
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Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 5:42 pm : link
In comment 15120525 DanMetroMan said:
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sounded quite meh on JDD, that's my own personal take. With guys like Lugo and Dom, he sounded very complimentary, JDD was simply a guy who may or may not be forced into a less than ideal spot.


His glove does not fit with what they are looking to do though the right handed bat may. I think Sandy probably doesn't want to junk a guy who could be part of the solution but also knows that glove at 3b is perhaps even less ideal than Dom in LF.
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:45 pm : link
really sounds like he's a massive Dom fan (even while admitting he's "not an outfielder") so I only have that and Lugo to compare it to. But Davis it seemed like he was saying "well, for now, we have X and if he's the starter we will be okay". Sounded very down on team depth (OF in particular), bench, and that they will always look to add pitching.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:46 pm : link
be very surprised if the backup plan to Springer (as some have suggested) is JBJ. He seems pretty adamant that another lefty in the lineup isn't ideal
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Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 5:50 pm : link
In comment 15120532 DanMetroMan said:
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be very surprised if the backup plan to Springer (as some have suggested) is JBJ. He seems pretty adamant that another lefty in the lineup isn't ideal


After they give Lagares a ST invite he should tell Lindor 12 is his number.
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 5:55 pm : link
In comment 15120539 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15120532 DanMetroMan said:


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be very surprised if the backup plan to Springer (as some have suggested) is JBJ. He seems pretty adamant that another lefty in the lineup isn't ideal



After they give Lagares a ST invite he should tell Lindor 12 is his number.


Better not change his number, pulled the trigger on my first baseball jersey since 2000 (Piazza).
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Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 6:02 pm : link
In comment 15120542 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15120539 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 15120532 DanMetroMan said:


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be very surprised if the backup plan to Springer (as some have suggested) is JBJ. He seems pretty adamant that another lefty in the lineup isn't ideal



After they give Lagares a ST invite he should tell Lindor 12 is his number.



Better not change his number, pulled the trigger on my first baseball jersey since 2000 (Piazza).


I think you're safe.
"SUSTAINED EXCELLENCE"  
Gmanfandan : 1/12/2021 6:41 pm : link
can not wait until opening day!

Welcome back Sandy.

Welcome Francisco - McCann - Cookie


Who's next?
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15120583 Gmanfandan said:
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can not wait until opening day!

Welcome back Sandy.

Welcome Francisco - McCann - Cookie


Who's next?


Damn no love for Trevor May? Lol jk
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Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 6:46 pm : link
In comment 15120583 Gmanfandan said:
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can not wait until opening day!

Welcome back Sandy.

Welcome Francisco - McCann - Cookie


Who's next?


I think they are gonna end up with Springer unless some other team blows him away. Sustained excellence isn't putting yourself in a position where you could have an empty OF in 2 years.
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 7:32 pm : link
Hire Carter Capps (former P) in an unnamed coaching role
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