-Nothing too notable from the Lindor presser. Came off as affable and a good dude. Noted he's open to an extension but wants it done before some point in ST. It'll get done. Nitpicking but weird they didn't send him a jersey to throw on
-Carrasco presser at 1PM
-Hendriks 54 million guaranteed with CHW. He's the best RP in baseball. Their pen is loaded on paper. Would love to see the Mets add to the 3 good RP they have. Lugo/Diaz/May.
-Marlins and Sox have discussed Benintendi
Diaz
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Hand
May
Betances
Familia
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Regardless, I'd go Castro over Brach if they got a Wilson/Hand and couldn't keep both. Trade Brach for a bag of balls.
-Castro is out of options
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I doubt they put Peterson in the BP to open the season. They have very, very little SP depth. He'd likely be sent to Syracuse to pitch every 5th day and be the "next man" up.
Most teams can just go with a top 3 like ours and get by with the rest of the depth but management has emptied our farm system and there’s no help on the way. Unless Lugo is going to the rotation until Thor demonstrates that he’s healthy, the top need has to be another starting pitcher.
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Most teams can just go with a top 3 like ours and get by with the rest of the depth but management has emptied our farm system and there’s no help on the way. Unless Lugo is going to the rotation until Thor demonstrates that he’s healthy, the top need has to be another starting pitcher.
All of the writers seem to think Lugo will be in the pen (as he should). Heyman even indicated privately they have said as much.
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One solid reliever ala Hand or Wilson. Outside of that, I think you’re looking at minor league and ST invites. Don’t see them cutting or eating Betances or Familia. Brach is on a ML deal so he probably has an inside track as well. The loser of Matz/Peterson ends up as the long man when Thor returns.
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I doubt they put Peterson in the BP to open the season. They have very, very little SP depth. He'd likely be sent to Syracuse to pitch every 5th day and be the "next man" up.
Agreed. I am curious though if Matz and Peterson both start out in the rotation, both pitch decent, and Syndergaard rejoins in June, if Peterson would go down still. I guess he certainly could. I think most likely he sticks as the 5 and they push Matz to the pen.
Yup exactly that type. They are very likely to be last minute type signings for guys who are looking for jobs that don't have a ton of interest.
Before that I'd expect them to try to add to the BP and possibly add someone in the IF while they wait out the Springer market. Really stinks they weren't able to just claim Hand when he was available.
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Going to mention Rich Hill, hs buddies with Porter, credits Porter with saving his career while with Boston. Strong vs. lefties, yes he’s ancient and injury prone but that’s why he’d be a a cheap option. 1 season 4+ FIP since 2009
Yup exactly that type. They are very likely to be last minute type signings for guys who are looking for jobs that don't have a ton of interest.
Before that I'd expect them to try to add to the BP and possibly add someone in the IF while they wait out the Springer market. Really stinks they weren't able to just claim Hand when he was available.
My #1 guy in the "cheaper but has resume" bin is Yates, but it appears Yates STRONGLY prefers the WC so I don't think he's an option. That being said, there are a bunch of decent RP options out there. The more the merrier. I'd like Hand but at the right price, there are some legitimate red flags. I wouldn't go more than 2 years under any circumstances.
but I do think they will bring in at least 2 veterans to compete because a) Matz could be awful like last year and b) Peterson, like all young players, could regress (sort of like Gsellman year 2).
Further putting pressure on both needing to "win" their roster spots, Matz saves them a nice chunk of money if he doesn't make the roster out of ST and Peterson has options to provide depth from the minors without going through waivers.
Point being both are going to need to earn their spots in ST. As it should be. And I expect the Mets to try to find possible alternatives in the event either one doesn't earn their spot (or both). As they should.
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If the White Sox decline the option, they will be able to pay the $15 million buyout over the course of multiple years. But the incentive certainly is there for the team to pick it up. And by going that big, the White Sox get the best closer in baseball the last two seasons.
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The following players are expected to be Mets IFAs when IFA begins Friday:
RHP Elian Nunez
OF Johairo Cuevas
SS Diego Mosquera
OF Gustavo Marquez
SS Samuel Camacaro
RHP Lennerd Ramos
RHP Aaron Martinez
RHP Enderson Arevalo
LHP Inmer Lobo
C Ruben Tatis
OF Sebastian Castro
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The following players are expected to be Mets IFAs when IFA begins Friday:
RHP Elian Nunez
OF Johairo Cuevas
SS Diego Mosquera
OF Gustavo Marquez
SS Samuel Camacaro
RHP Lennerd Ramos
RHP Aaron Martinez
RHP Enderson Arevalo
LHP Inmer Lobo
C Ruben Tatis
OF Sebastian Castro
Is there any mechanism to roll the unused allocated IFA money over or do something else with it?
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lists none in the top 50. Reportedly the top bonus the Mets gave out was 600,000. Unclear who got it.
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The following players are expected to be Mets IFAs when IFA begins Friday:
RHP Elian Nunez
OF Johairo Cuevas
SS Diego Mosquera
OF Gustavo Marquez
SS Samuel Camacaro
RHP Lennerd Ramos
RHP Aaron Martinez
RHP Enderson Arevalo
LHP Inmer Lobo
C Ruben Tatis
OF Sebastian Castro
Is there any mechanism to roll the unused allocated IFA money over or do something else with it?
It can be traded but the return is generally very, very small because it's just pool money for this 12 month period. For example, the Braves traded Randy Ventura for 1.25 million in pool money, most recently the Pirates got 143,000 in pool money for Dyson who was hitting .143 at the time.
"But an agent, saying the Jays and Mets should not be the only teams involved for a player of Springer’s quality, predicted the player might get $170 million to $190 million in a five- or six-year deal."
2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives
And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.
It’s an agent so obviously they are living in an alternate reality where baseball didn’t get economically crushed last year.
2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives
And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.
There are bonus and extra figures that aren't public but for our purposes the Mets are between 23-28 million under the luxury tax as of today. So Springer (23 seems very low) but just going with your exercise, it would put the Mets either at the lux tax or 5 under. We can use the 28 million for these purposes...
So 28-23= +5, minus Matz = 9.2 (total), + Hand puts you at the lux tax limit. Hill would put you over. I also think 23 is very low on Springer. It's believed the Mets made him an offer in the 27 million dollar range as/is so Springer figures to clear 27-30 per.
It’s an agent so obviously they are living in an alternate reality where baseball didn’t get economically crushed last year.
He's suggesting other teams will/should eventually be involved. Who knows how true it is? (I still never count out the Dodgers or Angels for anything). The Dodgers have been hinting they are willing to toss out huge AAV's on short years, someone may bite. I'm not saying Springer takes 3 years 105 over X but it's also not crazy to believe he would.
2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives
And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.
This would be a nice way to finish the offseason. I think we’d have to trade Nimmo (wouldn’t be a dump, we’d get real assets back) or Betances (likely need to attach a small asset) to make the money work and add a tiny bit more IF depth.
But going off Rosenthal. 28 AAV and 6 years gets you to 168 million. So maybe that’s closer.
Either way, I don’t think we’d be significantly over the tax. It’s the future, I’d be more worried about.
Wow.....very interesting angle on Lindor's contract announcement date. I had no idea there was such a loop-hole. A loop-hole big enough to drive a $12 Million truck thru !!
That's what I love about these 'MLB Chat' threads.
Re : Rich Hill -- I'm warming up to this idea. I know he's up there in years. He may just be an oldie, but a goodie.
I think Big Lefty Pete's long term future may be in the pen....he should probably start getting used to that role. I will never forget his outing against the Braves last Sept. He sent MVP Freddie back to the dugout 3 times.
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2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives
And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.
I am pretty sure these moves would take them a few million over the LTT but they could do this and have $5m for in-season moves if they trade Betances.
He has a $6m salary which should be tradeable with a small asset attached, but counts 10.5m against the luxury tax (which makes him the ideal trade candidate for us).
I think this is what the Mets are hoping for to finish the offseason, though the price on Springer may be a little higher than 23m (though perhaps they can structure the contract creatively? We need to learn a whole new side of the CBA now that we have an owner actually willing to pay as much as possible for good players instead of the reverse).
I love the kid as a SP, especially if Matz spits the bit again.
You don't save all of the deferred money as some are suggesting. It's simply reduced by the terms of the discount rate. I believe the MLBPA's agreed upon discount rate is currently 5.4%
" Let’s use Max Scherzer’s contract as an example. In January 2015, the Nationals agreed to sign him to a 7 year/$210 million contract. As part of the agreement though, Scherzer deferred all of his normal compensation from 2019 to 2021 to be paid across seven years after his contract expires (Though he still receives $15 million each year as part of his original signing bonus.) By doing so, this reduces the NPV of the contract by ~$18.6 million helping the Nationals reduce their luxury tax hit by $2.65 million per season. This may not seem like a lot, but the Nationals are an organization that utilizes deferred compensation quite frequently. Scherzer, Ryan Zimmerman, Stephen Strasburg, Daniel Murphy, Patrick Corbin, and several others have all agreed to some sort of deferred compensation deal allowing to Nationals to fit in more high value contracts without exceeding the tax line."
I love the kid as a SP, especially if Matz spits the bit again.
Also worth noting anyone deemed a "long reliever" is simply someone not good enough to start. Long relievers are SP's that are not good enough to turnover a lineup and also not dominant enough to see late inning work. Peterson (like any P) could completely fall on his face, but multi-inning reliever isn't a long term role for a young/solid SP prospect. That's a role you may force him into with an in-season need but not a role you put him in to open a season. Including his time with the big club he's thrown 160 total innings above a-ball.
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1.) Springer 23-ish AAV
2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives
And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.
I am pretty sure these moves would take them a few million over the LTT but they could do this and have $5m for in-season moves if they trade Betances.
He has a $6m salary which should be tradeable with a small asset attached, but counts 10.5m against the luxury tax (which makes him the ideal trade candidate for us).
I think this is what the Mets are hoping for to finish the offseason, though the price on Springer may be a little higher than 23m (though perhaps they can structure the contract creatively? We need to learn a whole new side of the CBA now that we have an owner actually willing to pay as much as possible for good players instead of the reverse).
Yeah that’s one way. Maybe you could trade Familia too and eat a little there. Or you can just reduce the three players I mentioned. Instead of Hand, sign Wilson. Instead of Hill, bring in a Porcello type again. I think there’s probably a path to bring in Springer, round out the roster, and still be pretty close to the LT.
Betances saves just as much, probably has less of a chance of bouncing back just because of his velo issues, and is significantly cheaper for the team acquiring him.
When they talked about potential salary dump trades on the table my guess is they have something lined up for him if/when they sign a RP.
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Carlos Carrasco's first text after the trade came from his former division rival and new catcher, James McCann.
-The Marlins have had discussions with the Cubs about catcher Willson Contreras, according to SportsGrid’s Craig Mish (Twitter link). There isn’t any sense that a trade might be close, as Mish describes the situation as “very fluid” considering how “the Cubs have big decisions to make across the board” (namely, trade talks involving several of their veteran players).
Good comp, Nimmo is a little better player though, but I think it's a good gauge of the floor I guess.
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One thing to monitor with any potential Benintendi trade. It should give us some idea what kind of return the Mets could/would receive if they decided to move Nimmo (not looking to deal him). Same years of control, Nimmo a year older. #Mets
Good comp, Nimmo is a little better player though, but I think it's a good gauge of the floor I guess.
I'm thinking more of a basic "idea" as to what we could expect. I'd take Nimmo as well but it's not crazy. If the two teams swapped players nobody would go "woah!"
It's silly. They have DeGrom at 6+ fWAR, which in itself isn't silly but shows how top-heavy they are. t goes beyond simply a very good (potential) top 4 with Syndergaard. Peterson is completely unproven/Matz has been awful and they have ZERO backfill at the AA/AAA level. 2019 they had 6 SP make 11+ starts, 2018 they had 6 SP make 12+ starts, 2017 they had 6 SP make 17+. I see 3 healthy very good options, Thor who hopefully is close to what he was pre-injury and ?? with no insurance behind them.
There are 162 starts needed.
90 or so to the top 30... that's still 72 starts you need to worry about, and injuries will in fact happen. Serious or not. I wouldn't count on Thor/Matz/Pederson for 72 starts if I were trying to win a WS.
Well sure, there are tons of things that could happen this year. Maybe Familia, Betances and Brach all bounce back. Maybe Peterson is much better than he's shown etc. But on paper, they are very thin rotation wise. Matz is one of the worst SP in baseball over the last 3 seasons by both FIP and fWAR (and that's ignoring he was so bad in 2020 he basically was unpitchable). You want to put yourself in position to win games. Peterson/Matz/Kilome/Oswalt doesn't do that for you as your SP depth 5th and beyond (on paper).
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Sandy Alderson on George Springer:
"Given the level of excitement, enthusiasm surrounding the Mets, I don't think we've been crossed off his list. ... I would say that we're still engaged, in a loose sense, with Springer."
More on Jon's podcast below
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Yeah, based on the phrasing it seems like the Mets are taking a Cespedes-like approach. Let him test the market and if he doesn't find what he wants, come back to us on our terms.
under the previous owners were kept were they were because they were influenced by "financial concerns"
chase JBJ. Sandy twice notes how they are overly LH
"right now I expect him back in the June time-frame, that could move up, that could move back, that was the last projection that I saw..."
I continue to think he is going to surprise people. I don't expect him to ever hit 30 homers and maybe not even 20, but I think he is going to be a good hitter at the top of an order for a long time. And the defense could be gold glove or close. They traded him off as good of a debut as he could have had but I don't think it was a fluke - he's highly athletic and is one of those guys who just knows how to play the game.
For as many obvious tools as Rosario had, I don't think I ever really felt that way even when it looked like he was turning the corner in Aug 2019.
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If the numbers work we’d be interested but with Lindor he’s no longer a must have
Yeah, based on the phrasing it seems like the Mets are taking a Cespedes-like approach. Let him test the market and if he doesn't find what he wants, come back to us on our terms.
100% agree with this strategy. Right now they have 0 true CF'ers and 0 OF'ers signed beyond the next 2 years. If they can get one of the best CF'ers in the game at a fair price they have to do it.
Also the Realmuto comments make me wonder if they essentially chose Springer > Realmuto knowing they could only wait on 1 of them and wanted to start filling some of the other needs. There's no McCann-type alternative in CF and Springer can shift over to a corner so I can't really argue the logic of choosing him (especially in combo with McCann).
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If the numbers work we’d be interested but with Lindor he’s no longer a must have
Yeah, based on the phrasing it seems like the Mets are taking a Cespedes-like approach. Let him test the market and if he doesn't find what he wants, come back to us on our terms.
100% agree with this strategy. Right now they have 0 true CF'ers and 0 OF'ers signed beyond the next 2 years. If they can get one of the best CF'ers in the game at a fair price they have to do it.
Also the Realmuto comments make me wonder if they essentially chose Springer > Realmuto knowing they could only wait on 1 of them and wanted to start filling some of the other needs. There's no McCann-type alternative in CF and Springer can shift over to a corner so I can't really argue the logic of choosing him (especially in combo with McCann).
He flat out said they think they have 2 starting OF's and joked "well we need 3, and we need 3, 4, and 5". Made clear he loves Dom Smith's bat and his impact on the team but ideally, Dom wouldn't see any LF.
One of the most telling quotes from Sandy in his first run was when they asked if he was coming back after his treatment and he said "i'm not sure if I deserve to". That is rare introspection especially among an extremely accomplished person.
Looking back at how much talent is still in this org today thanks to him and what happened when the Wilpons were left to their own devices he was actually deserving of a bust in cooperstown lol
His glove does not fit with what they are looking to do though the right handed bat may. I think Sandy probably doesn't want to junk a guy who could be part of the solution but also knows that glove at 3b is perhaps even less ideal than Dom in LF.
After they give Lagares a ST invite he should tell Lindor 12 is his number.
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be very surprised if the backup plan to Springer (as some have suggested) is JBJ. He seems pretty adamant that another lefty in the lineup isn't ideal
After they give Lagares a ST invite he should tell Lindor 12 is his number.
Better not change his number, pulled the trigger on my first baseball jersey since 2000 (Piazza).
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be very surprised if the backup plan to Springer (as some have suggested) is JBJ. He seems pretty adamant that another lefty in the lineup isn't ideal
After they give Lagares a ST invite he should tell Lindor 12 is his number.
Better not change his number, pulled the trigger on my first baseball jersey since 2000 (Piazza).
I think you're safe.
Welcome back Sandy.
Welcome Francisco - McCann - Cookie
Who's next?
Welcome back Sandy.
Welcome Francisco - McCann - Cookie
Who's next?
Damn no love for Trevor May? Lol jk
Welcome back Sandy.
Welcome Francisco - McCann - Cookie
Who's next?
I think they are gonna end up with Springer unless some other team blows him away. Sustained excellence isn't putting yourself in a position where you could have an empty OF in 2 years.