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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 8:19 am
-Nothing too notable from the Lindor presser. Came off as affable and a good dude. Noted he's open to an extension but wants it done before some point in ST. It'll get done. Nitpicking but weird they didn't send him a jersey to throw on

-Carrasco presser at 1PM

-Hendriks 54 million guaranteed with CHW. He's the best RP in baseball. Their pen is loaded on paper. Would love to see the Mets add to the 3 good RP they have. Lugo/Diaz/May.

-Marlins and Sox have discussed Benintendi
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Think the Mets need to add  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2021 8:51 am : link
One solid reliever ala Hand or Wilson. Outside of that, I think you’re looking at minor league and ST invites. Don’t see them cutting or eating Betances or Familia. Brach is on a ML deal so he probably has an inside track as well. The loser of Matz/Peterson ends up as the long man when Thor returns.

Diaz
Lugo
Hand
May
Betances
Familia
Brach
Matz
I forgot about Miguel Castro  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2021 8:53 am : link
Who’s only 26. He should factor somewhere too. Anybody know if he has options?
RE: I forgot about Miguel Castro  
KDavies : 1/12/2021 9:01 am : link
In comment 15119824 ZGiants98 said:
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Who’s only 26. He should factor somewhere too. Anybody know if he has options?


Regardless, I'd go Castro over Brach if they got a Wilson/Hand and couldn't keep both. Trade Brach for a bag of balls.
If  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 9:10 am : link
the Mets wait until after opening day to make Lindor's contract official they can avoid lux tax implications for 2021 without Lindor forfeiting any money. 1+10 would save the Mets 12-15 million vs. 2021's lux tax.

-Castro is out of options
RE: Think the Mets need to add  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 9:12 am : link
In comment 15119820 ZGiants98 said:
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One solid reliever ala Hand or Wilson. Outside of that, I think you’re looking at minor league and ST invites. Don’t see them cutting or eating Betances or Familia. Brach is on a ML deal so he probably has an inside track as well. The loser of Matz/Peterson ends up as the long man when Thor returns.

Diaz
Lugo
Hand
May
Betances
Familia
Brach
Matz


I doubt they put Peterson in the BP to open the season. They have very, very little SP depth. He'd likely be sent to Syracuse to pitch every 5th day and be the "next man" up.
Mets would be one injury to any of the top 3  
Metnut : 1/12/2021 9:29 am : link
from starting Peterson, Matz and Oswalt (or someone similar) for 60% of the games. That’s a recipe for missing the playoffs.

Most teams can just go with a top 3 like ours and get by with the rest of the depth but management has emptied our farm system and there’s no help on the way. Unless Lugo is going to the rotation until Thor demonstrates that he’s healthy, the top need has to be another starting pitcher.
Kluber  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 9:46 am : link
Throws tomorrow
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RE: Mets would be one injury to any of the top 3  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 9:47 am : link
In comment 15119872 Metnut said:
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from starting Peterson, Matz and Oswalt (or someone similar) for 60% of the games. That’s a recipe for missing the playoffs.

Most teams can just go with a top 3 like ours and get by with the rest of the depth but management has emptied our farm system and there’s no help on the way. Unless Lugo is going to the rotation until Thor demonstrates that he’s healthy, the top need has to be another starting pitcher.


All of the writers seem to think Lugo will be in the pen (as he should). Heyman even indicated privately they have said as much.
I'd be real surprised if they don't add 2 or 3 veteran SPs  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 9:54 am : link
they aren't going to be big $ and the players they add may appear to be close to done, but I expect them to give out a few contracts somewhere between what the Rays gave Wacha and the Braves gave Chacin. Just need to find the right players who ideally wouldn't mind serving as depth over the course of the season if there's not an immediate opening in the rotation.
Again  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:01 am : link
Going to mention Rich Hill, hs buddies with Porter, credits Porter with saving his career while with Boston. Strong vs. lefties, yes he’s ancient and injury prone but that’s why he’d be a a cheap option. 1 season 4+ FIP since 2009
RE: RE: Think the Mets need to add  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2021 10:14 am : link
In comment 15119846 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15119820 ZGiants98 said:


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One solid reliever ala Hand or Wilson. Outside of that, I think you’re looking at minor league and ST invites. Don’t see them cutting or eating Betances or Familia. Brach is on a ML deal so he probably has an inside track as well. The loser of Matz/Peterson ends up as the long man when Thor returns.

Diaz
Lugo
Hand
May
Betances
Familia
Brach
Matz



I doubt they put Peterson in the BP to open the season. They have very, very little SP depth. He'd likely be sent to Syracuse to pitch every 5th day and be the "next man" up.


Agreed. I am curious though if Matz and Peterson both start out in the rotation, both pitch decent, and Syndergaard rejoins in June, if Peterson would go down still. I guess he certainly could. I think most likely he sticks as the 5 and they push Matz to the pen.
RE: Again  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 10:15 am : link
In comment 15119926 DanMetroMan said:
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Going to mention Rich Hill, hs buddies with Porter, credits Porter with saving his career while with Boston. Strong vs. lefties, yes he’s ancient and injury prone but that’s why he’d be a a cheap option. 1 season 4+ FIP since 2009


Yup exactly that type. They are very likely to be last minute type signings for guys who are looking for jobs that don't have a ton of interest.

Before that I'd expect them to try to add to the BP and possibly add someone in the IF while they wait out the Springer market. Really stinks they weren't able to just claim Hand when he was available.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:16 am : link
think that would be a great problem to have. Matz pitching so well, the other 3 SP's healthy, and Thor returning. Obviously, if we are talking playoff run it's all hands on deck but Peterson currently is the 4 or 5 and odds are he'll open in the rotation or "next man up". He showed flashes but also looked like a guy who could use a few weeks/months in the minors if need be.
RE: RE: Again  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:18 am : link
In comment 15119954 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15119926 DanMetroMan said:


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Going to mention Rich Hill, hs buddies with Porter, credits Porter with saving his career while with Boston. Strong vs. lefties, yes he’s ancient and injury prone but that’s why he’d be a a cheap option. 1 season 4+ FIP since 2009



Yup exactly that type. They are very likely to be last minute type signings for guys who are looking for jobs that don't have a ton of interest.

Before that I'd expect them to try to add to the BP and possibly add someone in the IF while they wait out the Springer market. Really stinks they weren't able to just claim Hand when he was available.


My #1 guy in the "cheaper but has resume" bin is Yates, but it appears Yates STRONGLY prefers the WC so I don't think he's an option. That being said, there are a bunch of decent RP options out there. The more the merrier. I'd like Hand but at the right price, there are some legitimate red flags. I wouldn't go more than 2 years under any circumstances.
I think both Matz and Peterson will need to earn their spots  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 10:20 am : link
and I while I don't think it's high probability, I think there's a chance neither makes the rotation (I would not bet on that though, there's a much better chance both make it than neither).

but I do think they will bring in at least 2 veterans to compete because a) Matz could be awful like last year and b) Peterson, like all young players, could regress (sort of like Gsellman year 2).

Further putting pressure on both needing to "win" their roster spots, Matz saves them a nice chunk of money if he doesn't make the roster out of ST and Peterson has options to provide depth from the minors without going through waivers.

Point being both are going to need to earn their spots in ST. As it should be. And I expect the Mets to try to find possible alternatives in the event either one doesn't earn their spot (or both). As they should.
Fascinating  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:20 am : link
Jeff Passan
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If the White Sox decline the option, they will be able to pay the $15 million buyout over the course of multiple years. But the incentive certainly is there for the team to pick it up. And by going that big, the White Sox get the best closer in baseball the last two seasons.
BA  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:38 am : link
lists none in the top 50. Reportedly the top bonus the Mets gave out was 600,000. Unclear who got it.


NYMets945
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The following players are expected to be Mets IFAs when IFA begins Friday:
RHP Elian Nunez
OF Johairo Cuevas
SS Diego Mosquera
OF Gustavo Marquez
SS Samuel Camacaro
RHP Lennerd Ramos
RHP Aaron Martinez
RHP Enderson Arevalo
LHP Inmer Lobo
C Ruben Tatis
OF Sebastian Castro
RE: BA  
Metnut : 1/12/2021 10:43 am : link
In comment 15119984 DanMetroMan said:
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lists none in the top 50. Reportedly the top bonus the Mets gave out was 600,000. Unclear who got it.


NYMets945
@nymets945
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The following players are expected to be Mets IFAs when IFA begins Friday:
RHP Elian Nunez
OF Johairo Cuevas
SS Diego Mosquera
OF Gustavo Marquez
SS Samuel Camacaro
RHP Lennerd Ramos
RHP Aaron Martinez
RHP Enderson Arevalo
LHP Inmer Lobo
C Ruben Tatis
OF Sebastian Castro


Is there any mechanism to roll the unused allocated IFA money over or do something else with it?
RE: RE: BA  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:47 am : link
In comment 15119990 Metnut said:
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In comment 15119984 DanMetroMan said:


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lists none in the top 50. Reportedly the top bonus the Mets gave out was 600,000. Unclear who got it.


NYMets945
@nymets945
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1m
The following players are expected to be Mets IFAs when IFA begins Friday:
RHP Elian Nunez
OF Johairo Cuevas
SS Diego Mosquera
OF Gustavo Marquez
SS Samuel Camacaro
RHP Lennerd Ramos
RHP Aaron Martinez
RHP Enderson Arevalo
LHP Inmer Lobo
C Ruben Tatis
OF Sebastian Castro



Is there any mechanism to roll the unused allocated IFA money over or do something else with it?


It can be traded but the return is generally very, very small because it's just pool money for this 12 month period. For example, the Braves traded Randy Ventura for 1.25 million in pool money, most recently the Pirates got 143,000 in pool money for Dyson who was hitting .143 at the time.
That  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:47 am : link
should read 243,000
Rosenthal  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:50 am : link
(hard to see who this would come from)

"But an agent, saying the Jays and Mets should not be the only teams involved for a player of Springer’s quality, predicted the player might get $170 million to $190 million in a five- or six-year deal."
How close or over the LT are we if we added  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2021 10:51 am : link
1.) Springer 23-ish AAV
2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives

And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.
Dan is he saying that it shouldn’t be the case  
bhill410 : 1/12/2021 10:54 am : link
And is or that there are multiple teams in that are lurking.

It’s an agent so obviously they are living in an alternate reality where baseball didn’t get economically crushed last year.
RE: How close or over the LT are we if we added  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:56 am : link
In comment 15120000 ZGiants98 said:
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1.) Springer 23-ish AAV
2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives

And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.


There are bonus and extra figures that aren't public but for our purposes the Mets are between 23-28 million under the luxury tax as of today. So Springer (23 seems very low) but just going with your exercise, it would put the Mets either at the lux tax or 5 under. We can use the 28 million for these purposes...

So 28-23= +5, minus Matz = 9.2 (total), + Hand puts you at the lux tax limit. Hill would put you over. I also think 23 is very low on Springer. It's believed the Mets made him an offer in the 27 million dollar range as/is so Springer figures to clear 27-30 per.
RE: Dan is he saying that it shouldn’t be the case  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:58 am : link
In comment 15120001 bhill410 said:
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And is or that there are multiple teams in that are lurking.

It’s an agent so obviously they are living in an alternate reality where baseball didn’t get economically crushed last year.


He's suggesting other teams will/should eventually be involved. Who knows how true it is? (I still never count out the Dodgers or Angels for anything). The Dodgers have been hinting they are willing to toss out huge AAV's on short years, someone may bite. I'm not saying Springer takes 3 years 105 over X but it's also not crazy to believe he would.
Basically  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 10:59 am : link
as of today, the Mets are 23-28 million under and the Lindor extension could impact that. If they sign it after opening day it won't impact 2021, if they sign it and it replaces 2021, then subtract roughly 10 million from what they have to spend (while staying under).
RE: How close or over the LT are we if we added  
Metnut : 1/12/2021 11:00 am : link
In comment 15120000 ZGiants98 said:
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1.) Springer 23-ish AAV
2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives

And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.


This would be a nice way to finish the offseason. I think we’d have to trade Nimmo (wouldn’t be a dump, we’d get real assets back) or Betances (likely need to attach a small asset) to make the money work and add a tiny bit more IF depth.
Yeah that makes sense  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2021 11:01 am : link
Just think if we did get Springer, it’s gonna be at Sandy’s price and because George wants to come to NY and be on a team that’s got an arrow pointing straight up.

But going off Rosenthal. 28 AAV and 6 years gets you to 168 million. So maybe that’s closer.

Either way, I don’t think we’d be significantly over the tax. It’s the future, I’d be more worried about.
RE: If  
Named Later : 1/12/2021 11:02 am : link
In comment 15119844 DanMetroMan said:
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the Mets wait until after opening day to make Lindor's contract official they can avoid lux tax implications for 2021 without Lindor forfeiting any money. 1+10 would save the Mets 12-15 million vs. 2021's lux tax.


Wow.....very interesting angle on Lindor's contract announcement date. I had no idea there was such a loop-hole. A loop-hole big enough to drive a $12 Million truck thru !!

That's what I love about these 'MLB Chat' threads.

Re : Rich Hill -- I'm warming up to this idea. I know he's up there in years. He may just be an oldie, but a goodie.

I think Big Lefty Pete's long term future may be in the pen....he should probably start getting used to that role. I will never forget his outing against the Braves last Sept. He sent MVP Freddie back to the dugout 3 times.

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I  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 11:02 am : link
just find it very hard to believe Springer takes significantly LESS than the AAV he's already been offered. Even the Jays reported offer is already at 23 per. Unless he lands really huge years 7+ I think it's safe to predict he gets 27+.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 11:06 am : link
think David Peterson is an MLB SP and if that doesn't prove to be the case it will be because he was a "failed" starter. The Mets can't afford to use him in the pen right now. The SP depth is really, really, really thin and that's even if they do add an arm. He also had issues throwing strikes, innings and lots of them are likely the best correction for that. I've yet to see anyone on the Mets side suggest Peterson is a reliever. It may well happen in-season if there is a need, but that's not something they will do anytime soon.
David Peterson  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 11:10 am : link
105 games pitched (including college) 1 104 starts. The one game he didn't start he came in to replace Wacha in the third and went 4 innings.
RE: How close or over the LT are we if we added  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 11:12 am : link
In comment 15120000 ZGiants98 said:
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1.) Springer 23-ish AAV
2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives

And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.


I am pretty sure these moves would take them a few million over the LTT but they could do this and have $5m for in-season moves if they trade Betances.

He has a $6m salary which should be tradeable with a small asset attached, but counts 10.5m against the luxury tax (which makes him the ideal trade candidate for us).

I think this is what the Mets are hoping for to finish the offseason, though the price on Springer may be a little higher than 23m (though perhaps they can structure the contract creatively? We need to learn a whole new side of the CBA now that we have an owner actually willing to pay as much as possible for good players instead of the reverse).
..  
Named Later : 1/12/2021 11:13 am : link
I thought one of the Mets' scouting reports said he was best suited for long relief.

I love the kid as a SP, especially if Matz spits the bit again.
DMM - do you know how salary deferrals work re: LTT #?  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 11:15 am : link
I think that's what the Nats have done to stay under the LTT.
Peterson  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 11:16 am : link
is a huge bodied guy with "decent" stuff with a very good slider. His upside is capped by his stuff but I see no reason he's not given every chance to start. If he bombs then obviously they will have to make a decision.
RE: DMM - do you know how salary deferrals work re: LTT #?  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 11:22 am : link
In comment 15120026 Eric on Li said:
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I think that's what the Nats have done to stay under the LTT.


You don't save all of the deferred money as some are suggesting. It's simply reduced by the terms of the discount rate. I believe the MLBPA's agreed upon discount rate is currently 5.4%

" Let’s use Max Scherzer’s contract as an example. In January 2015, the Nationals agreed to sign him to a 7 year/$210 million contract. As part of the agreement though, Scherzer deferred all of his normal compensation from 2019 to 2021 to be paid across seven years after his contract expires (Though he still receives $15 million each year as part of his original signing bonus.) By doing so, this reduces the NPV of the contract by ~$18.6 million helping the Nationals reduce their luxury tax hit by $2.65 million per season. This may not seem like a lot, but the Nationals are an organization that utilizes deferred compensation quite frequently. Scherzer, Ryan Zimmerman, Stephen Strasburg, Daniel Murphy, Patrick Corbin, and several others have all agreed to some sort of deferred compensation deal allowing to Nationals to fit in more high value contracts without exceeding the tax line."
RE: ..  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 11:25 am : link
In comment 15120024 Named Later said:
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I thought one of the Mets' scouting reports said he was best suited for long relief.

I love the kid as a SP, especially if Matz spits the bit again.


Also worth noting anyone deemed a "long reliever" is simply someone not good enough to start. Long relievers are SP's that are not good enough to turnover a lineup and also not dominant enough to see late inning work. Peterson (like any P) could completely fall on his face, but multi-inning reliever isn't a long term role for a young/solid SP prospect. That's a role you may force him into with an in-season need but not a role you put him in to open a season. Including his time with the big club he's thrown 160 total innings above a-ball.
RE: RE: How close or over the LT are we if we added  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2021 11:33 am : link
In comment 15120023 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15120000 ZGiants98 said:


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1.) Springer 23-ish AAV
2.) Hand 9-ish AAV
3.) Hill 4-ish base AAV + incentives

And then cut Matz in ST freeing up roughly 4 AAV.



I am pretty sure these moves would take them a few million over the LTT but they could do this and have $5m for in-season moves if they trade Betances.

He has a $6m salary which should be tradeable with a small asset attached, but counts 10.5m against the luxury tax (which makes him the ideal trade candidate for us).

I think this is what the Mets are hoping for to finish the offseason, though the price on Springer may be a little higher than 23m (though perhaps they can structure the contract creatively? We need to learn a whole new side of the CBA now that we have an owner actually willing to pay as much as possible for good players instead of the reverse).


Yeah that’s one way. Maybe you could trade Familia too and eat a little there. Or you can just reduce the three players I mentioned. Instead of Hand, sign Wilson. Instead of Hill, bring in a Porcello type again. I think there’s probably a path to bring in Springer, round out the roster, and still be pretty close to the LT.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 11:47 am : link
Suspect Porcello gets more than Hill, at the very least comfortable. As for Familia, they likely would have to eat the majority (thus negating the impact). If a guy like Yates is looking for 5, and Familia makes 11... you likely have to include talent to move enough of Familia’s contract for it to really help.
Familia is too under water to be worth trading - may as well keep him  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2021 11:54 am : link
and hope for a bounce back.

Betances saves just as much, probably has less of a chance of bouncing back just because of his velo issues, and is significantly cheaper for the team acquiring him.

When they talked about potential salary dump trades on the table my guess is they have something lined up for him if/when they sign a RP.
Hendriks  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 12:08 pm : link
Deal likely hurts the chances the Mets land Hand. Wilson is probably more realistic.
I have been going back and forth on the Hendricks deal  
bhill410 : 1/12/2021 12:22 pm : link
I mean he is best reliever in baseball on a 13 average. Team option for 4th year that can instead be Bobby bonilla’d (tho haven’t seen number of years reported anywhere. 3/39 is pretty low if you consider some of contracts being given out in recent years (looking at you Chapman). Then again the guaranteed nature of 4th year certainly makes it more Appealling for player.
Hand  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 12:25 pm : link
Has some real red flags. I’m with the Mets. I wouldn’t go multiple years unless the AAV were very low
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If  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 1:09 pm : link
Kluber looks good I'd be ALL over adding him to ex-teammate Carrasco.
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 1:11 pm : link
Tim Britton
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Carlos Carrasco's first text after the trade came from his former division rival and new catcher, James McCann.

-The Marlins have had discussions with the Cubs about catcher Willson Contreras, according to SportsGrid’s Craig Mish (Twitter link). There isn’t any sense that a trade might be close, as Mish describes the situation as “very fluid” considering how “the Cubs have big decisions to make across the board” (namely, trade talks involving several of their veteran players).
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 2:49 pm : link
Jose Quintana had made 31+ starts 7 consecutive seasons coming into 2020. He's not exciting but he's consistently solid. He'd be a very nice addition to @Mets
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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 2:51 pm : link
Quintana isn't as "sexy" as Kluber/Paxton but he's also a safer bet to give you 20+ starts and probably the only one of the 3 you can entice with 2 years at a lower AAV which would help with LT concerns.
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2021 3:28 pm : link
One thing to monitor with any potential Benintendi trade. It should give us some idea what kind of return the Mets could/would receive if they decided to move Nimmo (not looking to deal him). Same years of control, Nimmo a year older. #Mets
FG has the Mets having the best SP  
ZGiants98 : 1/12/2021 3:46 pm : link
In baseball as of today.
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