I wouldn't expect a trade. I was thinking more along the lines of Wentz just wanting out of Philly them giving him his outright release. Hell didn't WFT just did that with Haskins? Obviously different circumstances but not unprecedented.
I'm sure the Eagles will try and trade him first if they are moving on. And if so, they will not trade him to WFT unless they get a kings ransom.
But not sure they will get a trade partner with that contract.
If they really think he's "done" why not trade him to WFT? Snyder would totally fork over the dough for a shiny new toy.
They might not think he is "done", they may just think he is not a fit for their new coach. Plus the supporting cast in Washington is better than Philly right now. If they trade him to WFT, every single win he gets against the Eagles in the next few years would be a media disaster for their GM. And Roseman will probably be on a much shorter leash.
WAS is likely to make Heinicke a solid one-year contract offer to compete with Kyle Allen next season (who will probably get a 1st or 2nd round tender).
The Wentz contract is a total albatross. NYJ and IND could probably absorb it, though, so if Wentz moves those are two logical landing places.
With that said, I think Lurie makes it clear they want to give Wentz a chance to shake off 2020. I'm not sold on him, but that's a tough deal to unload on another team, and I suspect the asking price (in terms of draft picks) will be astronmical.
They are building something over there and will be our toughest comp for the foreseeable future.
They just need to figure out QB, that's their biggest challenge. They have one of the best Dlines in all of football and they are all under contract for at least 3+ yrs. There oline is mostly there, just need a LT. They have some weapons, but need more and they could use LB and CB.
If they got a QB, one of the top FA WR's, drafted a LT #1, corner in the 2nd, the team is a contender right there, but they still have other resources to get even better. Later picks can be used on RB, LB and depth. They have cap room to add more FA's too.
They are building something over there and will be our toughest comp for the foreseeable future.
They just need to figure out QB, that's their biggest challenge. They have one of the best Dlines in all of football and they are all under contract for at least 3+ yrs. There oline is mostly there, just need a LT. They have some weapons, but need more and they could use LB and CB.
If they got a QB, one of the top FA WR's, drafted a LT #1, corner in the 2nd, the team is a contender right there, but they still have other resources to get even better. Later picks can be used on RB, LB and depth. They have cap room to add more FA's too.
I agree that WFT has put together a good roster, but I just wanted to note that the clock on that d-line starts ticking after 2021. Johnathon Allen is a FA in 2022, Daron Payne is a FA in 2023 (assuming they pick up his 5th year option, otherwise he is FA in 2022). Sweat and Young are good for 3+ years, but they only have 1 more year of keeping that line together cheaply.
The Eagles will not eat that. Which is why Pederson is gone
They dead cap hit is much lower if they can trade him before his roster bonus hits. But I agree it sounds like they may try and keep him. But I also assume that might have to do with what the new coach wants.
I don't think Wentz is tradeable with that contract
The dead money for trading or releasing him is massive.
With Pederson gone I think they will need to have an open competition for the QB job between Wentz and Hurts, with a tie going to Wentz because of the money.
is that Wentz' problems come from Dougy P and the new guy's top job is to fix Wentz and that he's not going anywhere.
To me, this is the logical read. The man who benched their former MVP candidate and QB they traded up for was fired. One would have to assume that his handling of the QB situation was a big part of the reason he was fired. Only other reason might be the tank happening without ownership backing.
is they have a gaping hole at the most critical position. Their DL is probably top 5 and they have some nice weapons on offense (McLaurin, Gibson, Thomas) but if an aging Alex Smith is your QB, you're not going very far. That said, with the players they currently have in place, they might be the rare team that should take the 49ers approach (most recent example) and try to get an "average" QB like Garoppolo while building on their strengths.
For 3 years he averaged 27 td's and 7 picks. More likely they regard this past season as an aberration, can Dougy, who gambled, lost and wore out his welcome, and use the high pick somewhere else.
The WTF are no doubt in the market for a qb. They have 3 backups on the roster right now and are probably thinking the rest of the team isn't bad.
is that Wentz' problems come from Dougy P and the new guy's top job is to fix Wentz and that he's not going anywhere.
To me, this is the logical read. The man who benched their former MVP candidate and QB they traded up for was fired. One would have to assume that his handling of the QB situation was a big part of the reason he was fired. Only other reason might be the tank happening without ownership backing.
He did the same thing McAdoo did. If you are going to gamble and sit management's most expensive asset, it better fucking pay off. He gambled and lost. Hurts sucked in the big spotlight, and Doug was sitting there with nothing but his dick in his hand. He got the same treatment as McAdoo.
For 3 years he averaged 27 td's and 7 picks. More likely they regard this past season as an aberration, can Dougy, who gambled, lost and wore out his welcome, and use the high pick somewhere else.
The WTF are no doubt in the market for a qb. They have 3 backups on the roster right now and are probably thinking the rest of the team isn't bad.
Agree 100%, Wentz was top 10 until this year. Second half of 2019/2020 season, he carried a depleted team to the playoffs with some incredible performances. I do not see him going anywhere and believe the Eagles will hire someone to cater to Wentz's strengths.
WFT, I believe, makes a play for a guy like Stafford. They are the classic case of"if they just had a good qb". because the rest of that team is talented.
absolutely zero. His contract makes it so. Way to much dead money especially with the cap. The Eagles are stuck with Wentz even if they don't want him
Yeah, I am not sure I am buying this. Everyone can be traded. the cap hit is a problem but teams can work around that. Giants traded Beckham who had a whopper of a cap hit.
Will get a first round pick for him, guarenteed, when have they failed, they are a very aggessive and forward thinking organization. Look how they showcased Hurts, just enough to get a sucker to bite in case they have an opportunity to move him. They are in a tough spot, but they always seem to come out smelling like a rose.
I think Hurts will be a problem for Wentz if he doesn't
start next season strongly, or even if he does and the team doesn't win games. Come next September, especially if Hurts has a good pre-season, Philly fans will forget Hurts drop off in the last couple of games and just remember him 'turning' around the season.
I have never understood that way of thinking. This player blows. We don't want him any more. We won't trade him within the division because he might beat us.
I have never understood that way of thinking. This player blows. We don't want him any more. We won't trade him within the division because he might beat us.
There are many reasons to get rid of a player besides the fact that he "blows". Cap reasons, new coaching staff going a different direction, no longer a scheme fit (aka going from 3-4 to 4-3 or vice versa), he is just a pain in the ass. No GM wants to make a move that will improve a division rival.
A recent example on the Giants: For all the shit Gettleman got for trading OBJ, imagine how much worse it would have been if he traded OBJ to the Eagles or Cowboys and OBJ was lighting it up there?
Will get a first round pick for him, guarenteed, when have they failed, they are a very aggessive and forward thinking organization. Look how they showcased Hurts, just enough to get a sucker to bite in case they have an opportunity to move him. They are in a tough spot, but they always seem to come out smelling like a rose.
I don't know why posts like this are made. Wentz might get traded. He likely won't. His cap number is massive and he just survived the coach that benched him. There is nothing guaranteed about him getting traded. But not only that, Philly always comes out smelling like a rose??
Just like we had an abyss in the late 2010's, Philly is coming off years of drafts that haven't yielded any impact LB's or DL guys. Their defense as a whole is suffering from a talent drain. Their "cycle" likely came and has gone. They did get a SB out of it, but we'll see how aggressive and forward thinking we'll look at them as if they have 3-5 years of struggles
Will get a first round pick for him, guarenteed, when have they failed, they are a very aggessive and forward thinking organization. Look how they showcased Hurts, just enough to get a sucker to bite in case they have an opportunity to move him. They are in a tough spot, but they always seem to come out smelling like a rose.
I don't know why posts like this are made. Wentz might get traded. He likely won't. His cap number is massive and he just survived the coach that benched him. There is nothing guaranteed about him getting traded. But not only that, Philly always comes out smelling like a rose??
Just like we had an abyss in the late 2010's, Philly is coming off years of drafts that haven't yielded any impact LB's or DL guys. Their defense as a whole is suffering from a talent drain. Their "cycle" likely came and has gone. They did get a SB out of it, but we'll see how aggressive and forward thinking we'll look at them as if they have 3-5 years of struggles
They mortgaged a lot for that SB. Paid off for them, even if they suck for 3-5 years. The real question is once the culture is gone it can be very difficult to get back. Here’s to this clusterfuck leading a generation of suckitude. We were almost heading there ourselves until Judge walked in the door.
I wouldn't expect a trade. I was thinking more along the lines of Wentz just wanting out of Philly them giving him his outright release. Hell didn't WFT just did that with Haskins? Obviously different circumstances but not unprecedented.
But not sure they will get a trade partner with that contract.
But not sure they will get a trade partner with that contract.
If they really think he's "done" why not trade him to WFT? Snyder would totally fork over the dough for a shiny new toy.
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Colts and Pats could also pull it off so, possible but how likely, no idea. Just can't be ruled out based on his contract and their cap.
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I'm sure the Eagles will try and trade him first if they are moving on. And if so, they will not trade him to WFT unless they get a kings ransom.
But not sure they will get a trade partner with that contract.
If they really think he's "done" why not trade him to WFT? Snyder would totally fork over the dough for a shiny new toy.
They might not think he is "done", they may just think he is not a fit for their new coach. Plus the supporting cast in Washington is better than Philly right now. If they trade him to WFT, every single win he gets against the Eagles in the next few years would be a media disaster for their GM. And Roseman will probably be on a much shorter leash.
The Wentz contract is a total albatross. NYJ and IND could probably absorb it, though, so if Wentz moves those are two logical landing places.
With that said, I think Lurie makes it clear they want to give Wentz a chance to shake off 2020. I'm not sold on him, but that's a tough deal to unload on another team, and I suspect the asking price (in terms of draft picks) will be astronmical.
Also, I'm not sure why Heinecke is the default QB in Wash right now. He might not even be with them next season, either.
They just need to figure out QB, that's their biggest challenge. They have one of the best Dlines in all of football and they are all under contract for at least 3+ yrs. There oline is mostly there, just need a LT. They have some weapons, but need more and they could use LB and CB.
If they got a QB, one of the top FA WR's, drafted a LT #1, corner in the 2nd, the team is a contender right there, but they still have other resources to get even better. Later picks can be used on RB, LB and depth. They have cap room to add more FA's too.
If they do anything maybe they try to trade Hurtz for some draft capital. I can see them doing that
Good info thanks.
They just need to figure out QB, that's their biggest challenge. They have one of the best Dlines in all of football and they are all under contract for at least 3+ yrs. There oline is mostly there, just need a LT. They have some weapons, but need more and they could use LB and CB.
If they got a QB, one of the top FA WR's, drafted a LT #1, corner in the 2nd, the team is a contender right there, but they still have other resources to get even better. Later picks can be used on RB, LB and depth. They have cap room to add more FA's too.
I agree that WFT has put together a good roster, but I just wanted to note that the clock on that d-line starts ticking after 2021. Johnathon Allen is a FA in 2022, Daron Payne is a FA in 2023 (assuming they pick up his 5th year option, otherwise he is FA in 2022). Sweat and Young are good for 3+ years, but they only have 1 more year of keeping that line together cheaply.
They dead cap hit is much lower if they can trade him before his roster bonus hits. But I agree it sounds like they may try and keep him. But I also assume that might have to do with what the new coach wants.
With Pederson gone I think they will need to have an open competition for the QB job between Wentz and Hurts, with a tie going to Wentz because of the money.
The WTF are no doubt in the market for a qb. They have 3 backups on the roster right now and are probably thinking the rest of the team isn't bad.
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is that Wentz' problems come from Dougy P and the new guy's top job is to fix Wentz and that he's not going anywhere.
To me, this is the logical read. The man who benched their former MVP candidate and QB they traded up for was fired. One would have to assume that his handling of the QB situation was a big part of the reason he was fired. Only other reason might be the tank happening without ownership backing.
Jags
Jets
Pats
Colt
WFT
Colts and Pats could also pull it off so, possible but how likely, no idea. Just can't be ruled out based on his contract and their cap.
The WTF are no doubt in the market for a qb. They have 3 backups on the roster right now and are probably thinking the rest of the team isn't bad.
Agree 100%, Wentz was top 10 until this year. Second half of 2019/2020 season, he carried a depleted team to the playoffs with some incredible performances. I do not see him going anywhere and believe the Eagles will hire someone to cater to Wentz's strengths.
WFT, I believe, makes a play for a guy like Stafford. They are the classic case of"if they just had a good qb". because the rest of that team is talented.
Yeah, I am not sure I am buying this. Everyone can be traded. the cap hit is a problem but teams can work around that. Giants traded Beckham who had a whopper of a cap hit.
Trade probably limits the field. Doubt Eagles deal him in the division.
Jimmy G to NE
Pitt job opened for possibly Stafford
Watson situation to monitor
Brees, Rivers, Ben retiring
Jets decision on Darnold
Should be a fun offseason
I have never understood that way of thinking. This player blows. We don't want him any more. We won't trade him within the division because he might beat us.
I hear offensive genius Ben McAdoo is available ;)
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trading him within the division.
I have never understood that way of thinking. This player blows. We don't want him any more. We won't trade him within the division because he might beat us.
There are many reasons to get rid of a player besides the fact that he "blows". Cap reasons, new coaching staff going a different direction, no longer a scheme fit (aka going from 3-4 to 4-3 or vice versa), he is just a pain in the ass. No GM wants to make a move that will improve a division rival.
A recent example on the Giants: For all the shit Gettleman got for trading OBJ, imagine how much worse it would have been if he traded OBJ to the Eagles or Cowboys and OBJ was lighting it up there?
I don't know why posts like this are made. Wentz might get traded. He likely won't. His cap number is massive and he just survived the coach that benched him. There is nothing guaranteed about him getting traded. But not only that, Philly always comes out smelling like a rose??
Just like we had an abyss in the late 2010's, Philly is coming off years of drafts that haven't yielded any impact LB's or DL guys. Their defense as a whole is suffering from a talent drain. Their "cycle" likely came and has gone. They did get a SB out of it, but we'll see how aggressive and forward thinking we'll look at them as if they have 3-5 years of struggles
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Will get a first round pick for him, guarenteed, when have they failed, they are a very aggessive and forward thinking organization. Look how they showcased Hurts, just enough to get a sucker to bite in case they have an opportunity to move him. They are in a tough spot, but they always seem to come out smelling like a rose.
I don't know why posts like this are made. Wentz might get traded. He likely won't. His cap number is massive and he just survived the coach that benched him. There is nothing guaranteed about him getting traded. But not only that, Philly always comes out smelling like a rose??
Just like we had an abyss in the late 2010's, Philly is coming off years of drafts that haven't yielded any impact LB's or DL guys. Their defense as a whole is suffering from a talent drain. Their "cycle" likely came and has gone. They did get a SB out of it, but we'll see how aggressive and forward thinking we'll look at them as if they have 3-5 years of struggles
They mortgaged a lot for that SB. Paid off for them, even if they suck for 3-5 years. The real question is once the culture is gone it can be very difficult to get back. Here’s to this clusterfuck leading a generation of suckitude. We were almost heading there ourselves until Judge walked in the door.