Giants' Insider beat reporter Chris Bisignano. On one of their last 2 podcasts he said that he heard from "inside the building" that Beal did some things that made him persona non grata to the current coaching staff even before Beal opted out of the 2020 season.
He did not state anything more specifically than that, basically just saying he didn't expect Beal to be competing for the #2 outside CB starting role opposite James Bradberry in 2021, because of those (unspecified) actions prior to opting out.
IIRC his exact words were: "I don't expect Beal back for the 2021 season with the Giants."
Thought I'd pass that along. If DG is "hole filling" in this upcoming draft that puts the CB position on a higher tier of need, I imagine. Unless DG unearths another Bradberry in free agency.
Probably 100% correct anyway. My bad.
The 3 amigos.
Quincy Wilson.
He was a Colts 2nd draft pick who played very well his 1st year as a press corner. Colts defense changed and he had some injuries... was traded to the Jets, had a concession early and never saw field and was waived in November.
The 3 amigos.
That's what happens when you see a need and draft towards it. Get ready for more of that in the offensive skill positions this spring.
I am all in on a corner when they pick if it is BPA in round 1. Bradberry signed a three year deal and still young he may slow in a couple years.
Much rather identify a potential elite corner this draft than spend on another FA.
Quincy Wilson.
He was a Colts 2nd draft pick who played very well his 1st year as a press corner. Colts defense changed and he had some injuries... was traded to the Jets, had a concession early and never saw field and was waived in November.
Good pick up. That's really interesting. From the BBI scouting reports. "Wilson has played in 32 regular-season games with 11 starts, accruing 59 tackles, 8 pass defenses, and 2 interceptions." That's a guy with at least some potential and some experience. He Love and Yiadom are a reasonably interesting group.
People going crazy over DG trading a 3rd round pick for Leonard Williams when that same 3rd round pick more times than not is a 'Sam Beal' was always a head scratcher to me.
DG has struggled on Day 2.
Will H
Carter
Hill
Beal
Trade up for Baker
McKinney
Peart
McKinney is the only one with a chance to make a real impact going forward, possibly... and we truthfully have no idea about Peart... all I can say is 3rd Round OTs come around only once every 3 years or so... Terron Armstead and Orlando Brown are the only two good OTs taken in the 3rd round that I can remember over the last 7 years or so...
That's what happens when you see a need and draft towards it. Get ready for more of that in the offensive skill positions this spring.
I hope you're wrong but fear you're not.
That's what happens when you see a need and draft towards it. Get ready for more of that in the offensive skill positions this spring.
The bigger issue is that we can't identify talent consistently. When you're an inaccurate dart thrower, the only way you can hope for a hit is if you throw more darts.
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Beal, Ballentine.
The 3 amigos.
That's what happens when you see a need and draft towards it. Get ready for more of that in the offensive skill positions this spring.
Still have Julian Love!
Poof. Gone like Andy DuFrense
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That's what happens when you see a need and draft towards it. Get ready for more of that in the offensive skill positions this spring.
As vs, for example, Chiefs and Ravens, with strong rosters, can select specific types of players to plug into their systems and make the team stronger. We draft in the attempt to make the team less weak.
Unfortunately it sounds like his attitude is holding him back. He's got a great skillset from what I saw.
The guy was a pick near the bottom of the draft, and asked to start against the best.
Poof. Gone like Andy DuFrense
The whole point of cluster drafting is that you should be set at a position if one or two work out. When you cluster draft and they are all misses...well, it's not good.
The 3 amigos.
Combined, these 3 amigos cost the NY Giants a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and a 6th round pick.
Almost an entire draft wasted on crappy CB evaluations during a rebuild.
And I believe this, and if this is the case they've known this well over a year and probably has some impact on why they Added Ryan.
Unfortunately it sounds like his attitude is holding him back. He's got a great skillset from what I saw.
Not calling you a liar, but he never played. I don't know anything about him cause he was almost never captured on video playing football.
If I had to guess I'd say that 85% of 6th round draft picks don't even make the team, let alone sniff the NFL field. Let's relax on that.
CB or WR makes a lot a sense at 11/42. Its funny that three of the CB options have ex NFL star fathers: Patrick Surtain, Jaycee Horn, and Asante Samuel as a potential option in the 2nd. Surtain was my favorite player of the bunch, but Asante Samuel had my favorite moment.
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Out of the "Killer B's" I thought Beal had the most upside of any of them. This may sound like a weird comparison but he reminded me of Will Hill with his effortless athleticism.
Unfortunately it sounds like his attitude is holding him back. He's got a great skillset from what I saw.
Not calling you a liar, but he never played. I don't know anything about him cause he was almost never captured on video playing football.
LOL! Beal captured at mini camp in 2019
And I know this semantics, but Baker did not 'cost us a 2nd rounder." He was picked with the pick we were going to have in round 2.
That's like saying Eli cost us a 1st rounder in 2004.
The 3 amigos.
Ballentine was a 6th round pick. Unlike the other 2, he played his ass off, he just didn't have the talent. I still think he has value as a ST/dime CB.
It doesn't seem like Beal really wants to play. 3 years and we got nothing out of him.
If I had to guess I'd say that 85% of 6th round draft picks don't even make the team, let alone sniff the NFL field. Let's relax on that.
and that Baker was a terrible pick. What happened was off the field was poor judgement on his part, but he had no issues coming out of college, and one year with a coaching staff that did no teaching isnt enough to write any one off. It's too bad he didnt get to play under Graham and staff to see. and worse that he had that horrible injury in his first game back
And I know this semantics, but Baker did not 'cost us a 2nd rounder." He was picked with the pick we were going to have in round 2.
That's like saying Eli cost us a 1st rounder in 2004.
Baker cost a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
Those aren't semantics.
And I believe this, and if this is the case they've known this well over a year and probably has some impact on why they Added Ryan.
I like Julian Love a lot, but if he is our 2nd CB heading into next season, we're in a world of trouble. He's better off at safety, or as a rotational CB.
Giants need a boundary corner opposite Bradberry, depth and competition for nickel, et al.
And I know this semantics, but Baker did not 'cost us a 2nd rounder." He was picked with the pick we were going to have in round 2.
That is fair, and something people do too often, but trading up for Baker was a terrible waste of assets. Even if you like the guy a lot, there were other CB's who were just as good still on the board. Unless you think the guy is going to be a Darelle Revis, you don't trade up for a slight improvement, especially with a team with so many needs.
Don't follow...what bullsh___?
Giants picked him in first round. They got the pick from burning a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
The only guy left is Love.
Before Sam, the only other player the Giants took in Supplemental was one Tito Whooten in the 4th. That is it. No other players taken by the Giants in the Supplemental. That would be crazy. Certainly not the first round. Move along, nothing to see here.
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was a "waste of a pick?"
If I had to guess I'd say that 85% of 6th round draft picks don't even make the team, let alone sniff the NFL field. Let's relax on that.
and that Baker was a terrible pick. What happened was off the field was poor judgement on his part, but he had no issues coming out of college, and one year with a coaching staff that did no teaching isnt enough to write any one off. It's too bad he didnt get to play under Graham and staff to see. and worse that he had that horrible injury in his first game back
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Guys like Coughlin, Brown, and Crowder are quite a bit like Ballentine. They are fringe players who got some burn because of injuries, but shouldn’t be penciled in as starters.
Before Sam, the only other player the Giants took in Supplemental was one Tito Whooten in the 4th. That is it. No other players taken by the Giants in the Supplemental. That would be crazy. Certainly not the first round. Move along, nothing to see here.
Well...and of course Duke QB Dave Brown.
Baker was a waste. Many people in the Giants organization apparently did not want to draft him. He was also the Thorpe Award winner for the best DB in college football, but was still available at #30, even though the NFL is a passing league. If we hadn't traded up to take him, he would not have been drafted in the first round.
Ballentine as others have noted was a sixth round pick from a small college. He was also shot just after being drafted.
Yiadom was worth the seventh round pick we traded to Denver to get him this year. Love and Holmes were good picks. McKinney is an unknown, but looks promising.
I think we used a first round supplemental draft pick on Dave Brown.
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no, Baker cost us a 4th and 5th. Stop the bullshit.
Don't follow...what bullsh___?
Giants picked him in first round. They got the pick from burning a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
This is one of the weirder mind fucks of last year.
If the Giants don’t make the trade, they would have picked 3 players.
In exchange for those three players, they received one player.
If you had an apple, and I gave you three oranges in exchange for it — how many oranges did the apple cost?
If I had to guess I'd say that 85% of 6th round draft picks don't even make the team, let alone sniff the NFL field. Let's relax on that.
He’s still part of this convo simply because we invested so heavily in that position. Now even his selection was a waste because that could’ve been a pic invested elsewhere. But it feels like by comparison, we got the most value out of him.
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no, Baker cost us a 4th and 5th. Stop the bullshit.
Don't follow...what bullsh___?
Giants picked him in first round. They got the pick from burning a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
This is one of the weirder mind fucks of last year.
If the Giants don’t make the trade, they would have picked 3 players.
In exchange for those three players, they received one player.
If you had an apple, and I gave you three oranges in exchange for it — how many oranges did the apple cost?
A new level of rationalization.
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no, Baker cost us a 4th and 5th. Stop the bullshit.
Don't follow...what bullsh___?
Giants picked him in first round. They got the pick from burning a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
This is one of the weirder mind fucks of last year.
If the Giants don’t make the trade, they would have picked 3 players.
In exchange for those three players, they received one player.
If you had an apple, and I gave you three oranges in exchange for it — how many oranges did the apple cost?
If a 1st round draft pick falls down in the woods but nobody is there to hear it, did the NY Giants actually pick him at all?
both players were highly touted, their character concerns are not DG's fault.
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Beal, Ballentine.
The 3 amigos.
Combined, these 3 amigos cost the NY Giants a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and a 6th round pick.
Almost an entire draft wasted on crappy CB evaluations during a rebuild.
oh shut the fuck up, Beal/Baker issues weren't performance related. Get a clue man
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That's what happens when you see a need and draft towards it. Get ready for more of that in the offensive skill positions this spring.
The bigger issue is that we can't identify talent consistently. When you're an inaccurate dart thrower, the only way you can hope for a hit is if you throw more darts.
Also noting that Darian Thompson, a big fizzle for the Giants, was starting for Dallas. So there's also an issue with player development. I think Judge is fixing that.
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both players were highly touted, their character concerns are not DG's fault.
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Considering the Giants dumped their previous Player Engagement model, revamped the staff, and hired a full-time psychologist to lead the department -- seems pretty clear the organization as a whole recognized character and player evaluation wasn't cutting it.
Agree, it will be hard to miss what we never had.
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Beal, Ballentine.
The 3 amigos.
Combined, these 3 amigos cost the NY Giants a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and a 6th round pick.
Almost an entire draft wasted on crappy CB evaluations during a rebuild.
oh shut the fuck up, Beal/Baker issues weren't performance related. Get a clue man
Sure they were...performance from the guys that picked them.
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no, Baker cost us a 4th and 5th. Stop the bullshit.
Don't follow...what bullsh___?
Giants picked him in first round. They got the pick from burning a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
The Giants got a first round draft pick for a second rounder. Uneven trade in the Giants favor if that's all there was to it. However, in order to move up they had to add the 4th and 5th. So, the cost of the trade was the 4th and 5th.
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no, Baker cost us a 4th and 5th. Stop the bullshit.
Don't follow...what bullsh___?
Giants picked him in first round. They got the pick from burning a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
The Giants got a first round draft pick for a second rounder. Uneven trade in the Giants favor if that's all there was to it. However, in order to move up they had to add the 4th and 5th. So, the cost of the trade was the 4th and 5th.
Yes, the cost of the trade was a 4th and a 5th.
However, the cost of Baker was a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
And that is indisputable.
Do you all feel like this is some kind of trick question or something?
Baker had some attitude issues in college. would have been interesting to see how he turned out if drafted under this coaching staff
The other one was Beal - addition by subtraction
unless the OP means some other method of separation.
Without trying to make this a blame game this is exactly the thing you are trying to look before BEFORE you draft a guy.
Either they got conned or they didn't ask the right questions in interviews because this really, really shouldn't happen.
It would explain the new coaching staff potentially souring on him quickly.
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both players were highly touted, their character concerns are not DG's fault.
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Highly regarded by whom? DG? Baker was the 1st CB drafted in 2019 all the way down at pick #30 clearly the NFL wasn’t overly high on that CB class
Beal was a supplemental draft pick IIrc a real head scratcher @ the time...
Also if you believe Deandre Baker just woke up one day and decided to involve himself in criminal activity or be at a place where criminal activity is possible I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale
2 pitiful draft picks and for New York to improve they have to get better in selecting players and can’t have these complete failure like Beal and Baker
he was drafted in 2018 and then spent the whole season on IR
2019 - went on IR on Sept 1st - out for the season.
Then last year opts out for Covid reasons in 2020
He has been with the team for 3 seasons and never played a down. I do not know why his opting out bothers me. I guess I expected him to be excited to play after missing all of the first 2 seasons ... and then he takes another year off voluntarily? Hmmm ..
You can't be that stupid or you'd forget to breathe.
he was drafted in 2018 and then spent the whole season on IR
2019 - went on IR on Sept 1st - out for the season.
Then last year opts out for Covid reasons in 2020
He has been with the team for 3 seasons and never played a down. I do not know why his opting out bothers me. I guess I expected him to be excited to play after missing all of the first 2 seasons ... and then he takes another year off voluntarily? Hmmm ..
What?
Was that necessary? You must be a miserable grumpy old man at least that’s the way you come across on this message board
He looks the part, but he’s squarely approaching or is a lost cause.
There’s no risk in bringing him to camp next year. But it’d be crazy to expect anything from him.
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its insane, does anyone follow him on social media? has he been in a crypt the entire time?
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both players were highly touted, their character concerns are not DG's fault.
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Sorry, but yes they are. It is a GM’s job to look into player backgrounds. Baker had numerous red flags at GA, bad attitude, poor practice habits - that is not a guy you trade extra picks for.
And Beal with his injury history was a big risk, a risk that good teams can afford to make.
Can you provide the proof that people on here have said Gettleman can do no wrong?
Quit bloviating.
You can read that 10x and still not know what he was trying to say.
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“We knew about the shoulder; there was no mystery there,” Gettleman told reporters earlier this week. “We knew about the shoulder. It’s like drafting anybody that’s got an injury; we knew about the shoulder. We had MRIs that Arizona had taken. He comes here, reinjures it, does what he does, and you know, it is what it is. Best-case scenario, he’s on the field and we’re not talking about this. Really and truly, we felt we’re getting next year’s third-round pick this year. So now with the shoulder, we get it fixed — it’s about a five-month procedure — and he’s ready to go in the spring. So, it is what it is. Anybody can get hurt. … He’s got to have surgery.”
You can read that 10x and still not know what he was trying to say.
He basically said "cut me some slack because we all know I suck at this".
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I believe is that he just doesn't want to be a pro football player. Not really in the class of Baker falling asleep at meetings, but the sense was he just wasn't cut out for the grind it takes to play, to fight thru injury. Covid gave him a chance to opt out and keep the year to vest for his retirement benefits. That seems to be the insinuation from people in the know. In the end, yes, a wasted 3rd round pick.
Without trying to make this a blame game this is exactly the thing you are trying to look before BEFORE you draft a guy.
Either they got conned or they didn't ask the right questions in interviews because this really, really shouldn't happen.
Plus, like anybody in any field, the guy might love it at first and realize later that he doesn't anymore. He might love the college experience and not love the pro life. He might be homesick. There are a hundred reasons to not want to do this anymore, money not withstanding.
The problem is when a guy who's lost his motivation sticks around for the paycheck.
2. Baker,: a terrible mistake. A known red flag was on this player and they still drafted him, and moved up for him. Imagine he was their only 1st rd pick that year?
3 Beal - simply a gamble that didn’t pay off, didn’t love it or hate it. Would have probably loved it with a 5 vs a 3.
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Last year you dummy.
Was that necessary? You must be a miserable grumpy old man at least that’s the way you come across on this message board
When someone says something completely false in order to paint a better picture for their point, yea I get hornery. How hard is it to dbl check your facts before posting something that puts down a player. He was IRed for one year, then played not too badly for a third of the season. Big difference in claiming he had never played a down in the NFL.
I am a 41 year pld man...that thinks you have sounded like a 17 year old moron in the month you have been here.
Go trade up for Devonta Smith in Madden.
unless the OP means some other method of separation.
Baker was a TREMENDOUS college talent, one of the highest graded CBs in college football over 2 years, playing im the SEC guarding the best WRs in CFB. He won the Jim Thorpe award as the nation's best DB, period.
The Giants cut HIM seemingly because of unfounded allegations which in the end were determined to be groundless in so far as criminal prosecution was concerned.
Why wouldn't they cut Beal? Or shouldn't they? He's the fly on the elephant's ass compared with Baker the elephant, so far as CB hopes were weighed.
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is so small, even if he doesn't project to be a star, it's hard to envision it making sense to cut him.
unless the OP means some other method of separation.
Baker was a TREMENDOUS college talent, one of the highest graded CBs in college football over 2 years, playing im the SEC guarding the best WRs in CFB. He won the Jim Thorpe award as the nation's best DB, period.
The Giants cut HIM seemingly because of unfounded allegations which in the end were determined to be groundless in so far as criminal prosecution was concerned.
Why wouldn't they cut Beal? Or shouldn't they? He's the fly on the elephant's ass compared with Baker the elephant, so far as CB hopes were weighed.
I think it has more to do with a dreaded term here...."culture."
The fact is, whether we choose to buy it or not, culture IS a thing that affects the growth of a football team. Especially a young one under a new head coach. Perhaps if Baker had requested a one on one with Judge, DG, Mara et al to assure them of his innocense and how he was ready to be a player, he would have gotten more than a pink slip. His case and then reinstatement would have definitely been a distraction for the team that, at that point, had playoff hopes.
Beal's situation is different. I literally dont know what he was thinking (apparently that was his big knock coming out of college....academics). Career finally got started last year, he finished with some strong tape and would have been the day 1 CB2 on this team. Then he opts out. Im wondering if it had more to do with being annoyed that the Giants signing Bradberry, drafting Holmes and his just not digging having to compete for the position. Because he opted out a month before Baker was released and I hadnt heard anything about him having a situation like Solder's.
Either way, having a guy like Baker come right back as a potential starter midseason could easily screw up the chemistry built in the secondary. With Beal, how do you bring back a giy who took the year off for apparently no reason?
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is so small, even if he doesn't project to be a star, it's hard to envision it making sense to cut him.
unless the OP means some other method of separation.
Baker was a TREMENDOUS college talent, one of the highest graded CBs in college football over 2 years, playing im the SEC guarding the best WRs in CFB. He won the Jim Thorpe award as the nation's best DB, period.
The Giants cut HIM seemingly because of unfounded allegations which in the end were determined to be groundless in so far as criminal prosecution was concerned.
Why wouldn't they cut Beal? Or shouldn't they? He's the fly on the elephant's ass compared with Baker the elephant, so far as CB hopes were weighed.
So the reasons for cutting Baker are clear from your post, the Giants decided to cut ties with him because of perceived legal problems. I assume the Giants conducted an investigation and based on the details made their decision.
I see no way that is relevant to the Beal situation. Presumably the impetus for cutting Beal would be poor play. My point is that doesn't save enough cap space until and unless there is someone better.
IOW, Baker was cut for PR, and even with a salary multiples higher than Beal, it wouldn't really have made sense to outright cut Baker if it was performance related until the Giants have exhausted opportunities for improvement.
Do you think they've done that with Beal?
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is so small, even if he doesn't project to be a star, it's hard to envision it making sense to cut him.
unless the OP means some other method of separation.
Baker was a TREMENDOUS college talent, one of the highest graded CBs in college football over 2 years, playing im the SEC guarding the best WRs in CFB. He won the Jim Thorpe award as the nation's best DB, period.
The Giants cut HIM seemingly because of unfounded allegations which in the end were determined to be groundless in so far as criminal prosecution was concerned.
Why wouldn't they cut Beal? Or shouldn't they? He's the fly on the elephant's ass compared with Baker the elephant, so far as CB hopes were weighed.
I think it has more to do with a dreaded term here...."culture."
The fact is, whether we choose to buy it or not, culture IS a thing that affects the growth of a football team. Especially a young one under a new head coach. Perhaps if Baker had requested a one on one with Judge, DG, Mara et al to assure them of his innocense and how he was ready to be a player, he would have gotten more than a pink slip. His case and then reinstatement would have definitely been a distraction for the team that, at that point, had playoff hopes.
Beal's situation is different. I literally dont know what he was thinking (apparently that was his big knock coming out of college....academics). Career finally got started last year, he finished with some strong tape and would have been the day 1 CB2 on this team. Then he opts out. Im wondering if it had more to do with being annoyed that the Giants signing Bradberry, drafting Holmes and his just not digging having to compete for the position. Because he opted out a month before Baker was released and I hadnt heard anything about him having a situation like Solder's.
Either way, having a guy like Baker come right back as a potential starter midseason could easily screw up the chemistry built in the secondary. With Beal, how do you bring back a giy who took the year off for apparently no reason?
not sure I agree with the Baker "chemistry" thing. Didn't seem to be a problem for the defending Super Bowl Champion to try and work him in.
He was cut because he wasn't dedicated enough to the game to learn the darn playbook. Not in year 1 where his lack of study caused broken coverages time and time again, nor during the mangled Covid dictated off season when he didn't participate in the zoom instructional meetings (and probably tried to fool the Giant that he was there by disabling his video or something.) Maybe Judge would have given Baker a little more leeway if he could have gotten him "in the building" to work on his attitude issues and "teach" him, but that wasnt an option, and Baker was 100% the wrong personality fit for Judge's culture building program.
And THAT'S the link or comparison between Baker and Beal as Matt in SGS revealed. Neither one is a personality fit for JJ's culture. Beal is the anti- Ahmad Bradshaw, who needed a walking boot Mon-Fri then played like a warrior on Sunday.
He was cut because he wasn't dedicated enough to the game to learn the darn playbook. Not in year 1 where his lack of study caused broken coverages time and time again, nor during the mangled Covid dictated off season when he didn't participate in the zoom instructional meetings (and probably tried to fool the Giant that he was there by disabling his video or something.) Maybe Judge would have given Baker a little more leeway if he could have gotten him "in the building" to work on his attitude issues and "teach" him, but that wasnt an option, and Baker was 100% the wrong personality fit for Judge's culture building program.
And THAT'S the link or comparison between Baker and Beal as Matt in SGS revealed. Neither one is a personality fit for JJ's culture. Beal is the anti- Ahmad Bradshaw, who needed a walking boot Mon-Fri then played like a warrior on Sunday.
Seriously?
So you believe without the arrest, Baker, a former 1st round pick just one season into his NFL career, still would have been cut before participating in one training camp practice or one game snap taken with Joe Judge's Giants?
I strenuously disagree.
2. Baker,: a terrible mistake. A known red flag was on this player and they still drafted him, and moved up for him. Imagine he was their only 1st rd pick that year?
3 Beal - simply a gamble that didn’t pay off, didn’t love it or hate it. Would have probably loved it with a 5 vs a 3.
Maybe Gettleman does well with late round picks because the rest of the roster is so terrible. These guys wouldn’t see the field on another team.
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Guess what, getting criticized comes with the territory. If you're going to take risks (trading up for a CB with numerous red flags, or using a supp on an oft-injured one), you better get it right.
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As I see it, Baker wasn't cut for PR reasons, not at all really.
He was cut because he wasn't dedicated enough to the game to learn the darn playbook. Not in year 1 where his lack of study caused broken coverages time and time again, nor during the mangled Covid dictated off season when he didn't participate in the zoom instructional meetings (and probably tried to fool the Giant that he was there by disabling his video or something.) Maybe Judge would have given Baker a little more leeway if he could have gotten him "in the building" to work on his attitude issues and "teach" him, but that wasnt an option, and Baker was 100% the wrong personality fit for Judge's culture building program.
And THAT'S the link or comparison between Baker and Beal as Matt in SGS revealed. Neither one is a personality fit for JJ's culture. Beal is the anti- Ahmad Bradshaw, who needed a walking boot Mon-Fri then played like a warrior on Sunday.
Seriously?
So you believe without the arrest, Baker, a former 1st round pick just one season into his NFL career, still would have been cut before participating in one training camp practice or one game snap taken with Joe Judge's Giants?
I strenuously disagree.
It's not an either-or discussion.
Baker was cut because he was in legal trouble AND he was slacking off on the field and in the offseason. Heck, he might have even been slacking off in conditioning - KC puts him in his only action of the season while they rest their starters and he breaks a leg on a non-contact play.
I doubt it was due to PR as much as it was due to the fact he was a player who didn't seemingly put the dedication in , had fallen out of favor with the staff, AND had a black cloud over him with legal issues. He wasn't going to be cut if he didn't get arrested, but it also wasn't done just for PR. what benefit does a team get for that kind of PR anyway?
Go back to the archived BBI thread, I guarantee you will see a ton of posters saying "you have to cut him immediately" - even before due process. Read the articles, I bet you see a lot of the same from beats and other reporters. It wasn't like Josh Brown for obvious reasons, but there was pressure I'm sure.
but...if saying he was cut for PR reasons is too limiting, then I'm find amending my position to say:
"If he wasn't arrested, he would not have been cut" as you said.
which is mainly my point.
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The 3 amigos.//////////
That's what happens when you see a need and draft towards it. Get ready for more of that in the offensive skill positions this spring.
REVISION: That's what happens when you have a weak roster across multiple positions because of many years of poor drafting and feel like you have to plug the worst, first.
As vs, for example, Chiefs and Ravens, with strong rosters, can select specific types of players to plug into their systems and make the team stronger. We draft in the attempt to make the team less weak.
So missing on an entire cluster draft is the way to make the team less weak? Seems like an odd strategy.
Here's an alternative thought - what if a GM actually drafts good players instead? That seems like a more effective way to make the team less weak. I guess that's just my opinion though.
This bears repeating - the average NFL career is ~3 years. Meaning, after three years on the job now, DG would have more or less turned over the majority of the roster no matter what shape Reese left it in. And DG has done exactly that - he has turned over almost the entire roster. This team is the one he built, not the one he inherited.
It's time to stop giving DG a pass for the team because of Reese's mistakes, especially when it is largely DG's own mistakes that have then dictated subsequent moves (e.g, does DG draft Thomas if Solder didn't suck? Does he sign Martinez if Ogletree didn't suck?) that have reduced his ability to address other areas of the roster. And if DG's hand was truly as forced as you suggest, doesn't that emphasize further that he should have been pursuing trade down opportunities at any point that might have given him even more assets with which he could reinforce the foundation of the roster?
DG's own actions are not consistent with the excuses some fans want to make for him.
I'm curious how you define "done well on late rd picks." Darius Slayton is a very good pick. Julian Love is decent. Lauletta was a bust, R.J. McIntosh didn't play at all this year. Corey Ballantine, George Asafo-Adjei, and Chris Slayton are gone already. Ryan Connelly looked promising, got hurt unfortunately, but then couldn't make the team this year - he only had 6 tackles in 14 games for Minnesota, is that because of the injury or is he just not as good as he looked in a short sample last year?
This past draft's late picks look mostly promising, but it's still too early IMO to hand out gold stars for those players after only one year (although they're definitely on a better trajectory than many of DG's previous late picks). If this year's class continues to improve and if that overall late round quality becomes the norm, I'll agree that it's a strength, but they're not the norm yet and they haven't done enough yet to erase the DG's first two years of later picks.
I just don't quite understand how this becomes a repeated thing when there isn't really any evidence to support that DG is any better than average with late round picks (in fairness, I don't think he's any worse than average either, but I'm not the one trying to claim it as a strength). Most late round picks flame out. Most of DG's late round picks have flamed out. It's not a criticism; this is just to say that there's not enough success in this area for anyone to claim that DG has done well with late round picks relative to the league in general.
In fairness, Reese had some notable late round hits early on, and then mostly stunk in his late round picks through the majority of his tenure. Is that why it seems to some fans that DG is good at those late picks? Sure, he's better than Reese thus far with his later picks. But not good enough on balance, IMO, to call it a strength just yet.
Go trade up for Devonta Smith in Madden.
I did check - I guess when I read he was placed on IR in Sept 2019 I assumed it was season ending. I really do forget they have IR A and IR B and you can come back.
I promise you I NEVER make shit up to support an argument.
People who have wrong info should be and corrected. I thought the response was a little harsh but, I also know how hard it is to communicate through text alone. A harmless comment can come of a lot harder than intended without the benefit of facial expression or tone of voice.
We are talking about football here - I assumed chop was just breaking balls.
I still think he will not be on the roster next year.
; )