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BelieveJJ : 1/12/2021 11:19 am
Giants' Insider beat reporter Chris Bisignano. On one of their last 2 podcasts he said that he heard from "inside the building" that Beal did some things that made him persona non grata to the current coaching staff even before Beal opted out of the 2020 season.

He did not state anything more specifically than that, basically just saying he didn't expect Beal to be competing for the #2 outside CB starting role opposite James Bradberry in 2021, because of those (unspecified) actions prior to opting out.

IIRC his exact words were: "I don't expect Beal back for the 2021 season with the Giants."

Thought I'd pass that along. If DG is "hole filling" in this upcoming draft that puts the CB position on a higher tier of need, I imagine. Unless DG unearths another Bradberry in free agency.
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That really sucks if true  
cjac : 1/12/2021 11:21 am : link
that nothing is going to come of Baker and Beal is really really disappointing.
an illustrious career  
markky : 1/12/2021 11:21 am : link
who knew he was even on the team
I doubt Beal had any influence  
section125 : 1/12/2021 11:21 am : link
on whether they would consider CB at #11.
Another CB opposite Bradberry is a glaring need  
Mike from Ohio : 1/12/2021 11:21 am : link
with or without Beal. Not sure why anyone would assume he would naturally slide in to a starting spot. He is a 3rd round pick that has not demonstrated anything at the NFL level. If he is on the team he is fighting for a roster spot.
RE: I doubt Beal had any influence  
BelieveJJ : 1/12/2021 11:22 am : link
In comment 15120034 section125 said:
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on whether they would consider CB at #11.


Probably 100% correct anyway. My bad.
Interesting news  
BillT : 1/12/2021 11:23 am : link
Hard to have much hope he'd be a contributor but that he has issues as well as opting out (which made no sense given his first 2 years and a new staff to impress) it's not surprising.
Wonderful draft picks by DG Baker and Beal  
ImissTiki : 1/12/2021 11:24 am : link
.
There's that batting average Mara was talking about  
Go Terps : 1/12/2021 11:28 am : link
Sure wouldn't have sucked to have used that pick on Terry McClaurin or Chase Winovich.
Baker  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/12/2021 11:29 am : link
Beal, Ballentine.

The 3 amigos.
If you see NE and Graham defenses...press man corner is #1 need  
George from PA : 1/12/2021 11:30 am : link
One intriguing late waiver pick up was
Quincy Wilson.

He was a Colts 2nd draft pick who played very well his 1st year as a press corner. Colts defense changed and he had some injuries... was traded to the Jets, had a concession early and never saw field and was waived in November.
The one benefit to having such a lousy roster year after year  
widmerseyebrow : 1/12/2021 11:32 am : link
Is that every draft I usually don't have to concern myself with what position they're taking with their premium picks. We can use anything (except for another 1st round running back).
RE: Baker  
Go Terps : 1/12/2021 11:33 am : link
In comment 15120046 McNally's_Nuts said:
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Beal, Ballentine.

The 3 amigos.


That's what happens when you see a need and draft towards it. Get ready for more of that in the offensive skill positions this spring.
Maybe Beal saw this  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/12/2021 11:34 am : link
and it contributed to the opt out. Who knows.

I am all in on a corner when they pick if it is BPA in round 1. Bradberry signed a three year deal and still young he may slow in a couple years.

Much rather identify a potential elite corner this draft than spend on another FA.
Dammit.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/12/2021 11:35 am : link
Thanks for passing along.
RE: If you see NE and Graham defenses...press man corner is #1 need  
BillT : 1/12/2021 11:38 am : link
In comment 15120049 George from PA said:
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One intriguing late waiver pick up was
Quincy Wilson.

He was a Colts 2nd draft pick who played very well his 1st year as a press corner. Colts defense changed and he had some injuries... was traded to the Jets, had a concession early and never saw field and was waived in November.

Good pick up. That's really interesting. From the BBI scouting reports. "Wilson has played in 32 regular-season games with 11 starts, accruing 59 tackles, 8 pass defenses, and 2 interceptions." That's a guy with at least some potential and some experience. He Love and Yiadom are a reasonably interesting group.
He dressed for like 5 or 6 games  
90.Cal : 1/12/2021 11:40 am : link
In 3 seasons...

People going crazy over DG trading a 3rd round pick for Leonard Williams when that same 3rd round pick more times than not is a 'Sam Beal' was always a head scratcher to me.

DG has struggled on Day 2.

Will H
Carter
Hill
Beal
Trade up for Baker
McKinney
Peart

McKinney is the only one with a chance to make a real impact going forward, possibly... and we truthfully have no idea about Peart... all I can say is 3rd Round OTs come around only once every 3 years or so... Terron Armstead and Orlando Brown are the only two good OTs taken in the 3rd round that I can remember over the last 7 years or so...
RE: RE: Baker  
GmanND : 1/12/2021 11:41 am : link
In comment 15120053 Go Terps said:
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That's what happens when you see a need and draft towards it. Get ready for more of that in the offensive skill positions this spring.


I hope you're wrong but fear you're not.
RE: RE: Baker  
widmerseyebrow : 1/12/2021 11:42 am : link
In comment 15120053 Go Terps said:
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That's what happens when you see a need and draft towards it. Get ready for more of that in the offensive skill positions this spring.


The bigger issue is that we can't identify talent consistently. When you're an inaccurate dart thrower, the only way you can hope for a hit is if you throw more darts.
RE: RE: Baker  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/12/2021 11:42 am : link
In comment 15120053 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15120046 McNally's_Nuts said:


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Beal, Ballentine.

The 3 amigos.



That's what happens when you see a need and draft towards it. Get ready for more of that in the offensive skill positions this spring.


Still have Julian Love!
Although  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/12/2021 11:43 am : link
I do remember alot of posters here (myself included) that DG did "cluster draft" these guys.

Poof. Gone like Andy DuFrense
RE: RE: Baker  
ColHowPepper : 1/12/2021 11:44 am : link
In comment 15120053 Go Terps said:
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In comment 15120046 McNally's_Nuts said:
Quote: Beal, Ballentine.
The 3 amigos.//////////


That's what happens when you see a need and draft towards it. Get ready for more of that in the offensive skill positions this spring.
REVISION: That's what happens when you have a weak roster across multiple positions because of many years of poor drafting and feel like you have to plug the worst, first.
As vs, for example, Chiefs and Ravens, with strong rosters, can select specific types of players to plug into their systems and make the team stronger. We draft in the attempt to make the team less weak.
Very disappointed in Beal.  
mittenedman : 1/12/2021 11:47 am : link
Out of the "Killer B's" I thought Beal had the most upside of any of them. This may sound like a weird comparison but he reminded me of Will Hill with his effortless athleticism.

Unfortunately it sounds like his attitude is holding him back. He's got a great skillset from what I saw.
Dont put Ballantine in with the others  
NoPeanutz : 1/12/2021 11:48 am : link
Nearly the only reason why we know Ballantine's name is because Beal and Baker were not available, or MIA.
The guy was a pick near the bottom of the draft, and asked to start against the best.
RE: Although  
Mike from Ohio : 1/12/2021 11:50 am : link
In comment 15120074 McNally's_Nuts said:
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I do remember alot of posters here (myself included) that DG did "cluster draft" these guys.

Poof. Gone like Andy DuFrense


The whole point of cluster drafting is that you should be set at a position if one or two work out. When you cluster draft and they are all misses...well, it's not good.
Beal not on the roster?  
David B. : 1/12/2021 11:51 am : link
So. Why should this year be any different?
RE: Baker  
LBH15 : 1/12/2021 11:57 am : link
In comment 15120046 McNally's_Nuts said:
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Beal, Ballentine.

The 3 amigos.


Combined, these 3 amigos cost the NY Giants a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and a 6th round pick.

Almost an entire draft wasted on crappy CB evaluations during a rebuild.
They need to add another Versatile Secondary player in the draft  
DavidinBMNY : 1/12/2021 11:57 am : link
Players always are getting injured. There starting secondary with Love at CB#2 is solid. But they need one more strong player in the secondary.

And I believe this, and if this is the case they've known this well over a year and probably has some impact on why they Added Ryan.
RE: Very disappointed in Beal.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2021 11:58 am : link
In comment 15120082 mittenedman said:
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Out of the "Killer B's" I thought Beal had the most upside of any of them. This may sound like a weird comparison but he reminded me of Will Hill with his effortless athleticism.

Unfortunately it sounds like his attitude is holding him back. He's got a great skillset from what I saw.


Not calling you a liar, but he never played. I don't know anything about him cause he was almost never captured on video playing football.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/12/2021 11:58 am : link
I forgot Beal was even on the team.
Has there ever been so much discussion on the board  
Greg from LI : 1/12/2021 12:00 pm : link
about a player who played so little? Six games in three years, man.
can we stop saying that Ballentine  
ryanmkeane : 1/12/2021 12:00 pm : link
was a "waste of a pick?"

If I had to guess I'd say that 85% of 6th round draft picks don't even make the team, let alone sniff the NFL field. Let's relax on that.
Sometimes cluster draft  
JB_in_DC : 1/12/2021 12:00 pm : link
can turn into cluster fuck.

CB or WR makes a lot a sense at 11/42. Its funny that three of the CB options have ex NFL star fathers: Patrick Surtain, Jaycee Horn, and Asante Samuel as a potential option in the 2nd. Surtain was my favorite player of the bunch, but Asante Samuel had my favorite moment.
Guys like Crowder  
ryanmkeane : 1/12/2021 12:01 pm : link
Coughlin, and Brown are not the norm when it comes to picking guys in round 6 and 7. Guys like Ballentine are.
RE: RE: Very disappointed in Beal.  
Mike from Ohio : 1/12/2021 12:01 pm : link
In comment 15120099 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15120082 mittenedman said:


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Out of the "Killer B's" I thought Beal had the most upside of any of them. This may sound like a weird comparison but he reminded me of Will Hill with his effortless athleticism.

Unfortunately it sounds like his attitude is holding him back. He's got a great skillset from what I saw.



Not calling you a liar, but he never played. I don't know anything about him cause he was almost never captured on video playing football.


LOL! Beal captured at mini camp in 2019

No big deal  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/12/2021 12:03 pm : link
He sucked big time. He was a wasted draft pick. It was 100% of that when he was getting lit up by 7th string receivers on the Eagles in 2019.
i mean yeah  
ryanmkeane : 1/12/2021 12:03 pm : link
Ballentine is a bad NFL player. There's a reason he was picked in the 6th round.

And I know this semantics, but Baker did not 'cost us a 2nd rounder." He was picked with the pick we were going to have in round 2.

That's like saying Eli cost us a 1st rounder in 2004.
RE: Baker  
Section331 : 1/12/2021 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15120046 McNally's_Nuts said:
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Beal, Ballentine.

The 3 amigos.


Ballentine was a 6th round pick. Unlike the other 2, he played his ass off, he just didn't have the talent. I still think he has value as a ST/dime CB.

It doesn't seem like Beal really wants to play. 3 years and we got nothing out of him.
RE: can we stop saying that Ballentine  
Victor in CT : 1/12/2021 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15120105 ryanmkeane said:
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was a "waste of a pick?"

If I had to guess I'd say that 85% of 6th round draft picks don't even make the team, let alone sniff the NFL field. Let's relax on that.


and that Baker was a terrible pick. What happened was off the field was poor judgement on his part, but he had no issues coming out of college, and one year with a coaching staff that did no teaching isnt enough to write any one off. It's too bad he didnt get to play under Graham and staff to see. and worse that he had that horrible injury in his first game back
RE: i mean yeah  
LBH15 : 1/12/2021 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15120113 ryanmkeane said:
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Ballentine is a bad NFL player. There's a reason he was picked in the 6th round.

And I know this semantics, but Baker did not 'cost us a 2nd rounder." He was picked with the pick we were going to have in round 2.

That's like saying Eli cost us a 1st rounder in 2004.


Baker cost a 2nd, 4th and 5th.

Those aren't semantics.
RE: They need to add another Versatile Secondary player in the draft  
Section331 : 1/12/2021 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15120098 DavidinBMNY said:
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Players always are getting injured. There starting secondary with Love at CB#2 is solid. But they need one more strong player in the secondary.

And I believe this, and if this is the case they've known this well over a year and probably has some impact on why they Added Ryan.


I like Julian Love a lot, but if he is our 2nd CB heading into next season, we're in a world of trouble. He's better off at safety, or as a rotational CB.
The only roster decision Beal might factor into  
JonC : 1/12/2021 12:07 pm : link
is the bottom of the depth chart. Plan as if he's (still) not there.

Giants need a boundary corner opposite Bradberry, depth and competition for nickel, et al.
LBH  
ryanmkeane : 1/12/2021 12:10 pm : link
no, Baker cost us a 4th and 5th. Stop the bullshit.
Giants  
PaulN : 1/12/2021 12:10 pm : link
Are starting over from this past year, they were 6-10 against a very tough schedule, we have Bradbury, Holmes, Love, Wilson, Yiadom, McKinney, Ryan, and Peppers in the defensive backfield right now, that is not too shaby, I am certain the players with another training camp and a few pre season games will be ready for a big improvement from the players we have, adding a pass rusher or two from the outside is another way to improve the pass defense while also helping the rush defense with the right additions, this is probably a more important need, I am not as concerned, I trust Judge and Graham will identify the needs and help Gettleman bring in the right players to address the needs. Beal sucked anyway, no loss, time to move ahead and think about where we are starting from now vs last year. Spags is gone, Graham is here, I like what he did with what he had and I like Judge far better as head coach over Spags, again, lets move on, a fruitless debate.
RE: i mean yeah  
Section331 : 1/12/2021 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15120113 ryanmkeane said:
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And I know this semantics, but Baker did not 'cost us a 2nd rounder." He was picked with the pick we were going to have in round 2.



That is fair, and something people do too often, but trading up for Baker was a terrible waste of assets. Even if you like the guy a lot, there were other CB's who were just as good still on the board. Unless you think the guy is going to be a Darelle Revis, you don't trade up for a slight improvement, especially with a team with so many needs.
RE: LBH  
LBH15 : 1/12/2021 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15120125 ryanmkeane said:
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no, Baker cost us a 4th and 5th. Stop the bullshit.


Don't follow...what bullsh___?

Giants picked him in first round. They got the pick from burning a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
I hope last year's  
Dnew15 : 1/12/2021 12:14 pm : link
crop of cluster drafting LBs goes better than the DB cluster draft of the supplemental draft of 2018 and draft of 2019.

The only guy left is Love.
Hoping not true  
SLIM_ : 1/12/2021 12:15 pm : link
Not sure how egregious his infractions are but 23 year old people mature sometimes. I would at least love for him to come to camp and prove himself. He isn't on scholarship. He's a bottom of the roster player with some talent.
Beal was notable  
NoPeanutz : 1/12/2021 12:21 pm : link
bc he was taken in the 3rd round of the supplemental- often regarded as first round talent for the Spring draft. That is rare event.

Before Sam, the only other player the Giants took in Supplemental was one Tito Whooten in the 4th. That is it. No other players taken by the Giants in the Supplemental. That would be crazy. Certainly not the first round. Move along, nothing to see here.
RE: RE: can we stop saying that Ballentine  
section125 : 1/12/2021 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15120116 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 15120105 ryanmkeane said:


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was a "waste of a pick?"

If I had to guess I'd say that 85% of 6th round draft picks don't even make the team, let alone sniff the NFL field. Let's relax on that.



and that Baker was a terrible pick. What happened was off the field was poor judgement on his part, but he had no issues coming out of college, and one year with a coaching staff that did no teaching isnt enough to write any one off. It's too bad he didnt get to play under Graham and staff to see. and worse that he had that horrible injury in his first game back


This +1
RE: Guys like Crowder  
christian : 1/12/2021 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15120108 ryanmkeane said:
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Coughlin, and Brown are not the norm when it comes to picking guys in round 6 and 7. Guys like Ballentine are.


Guys like Coughlin, Brown, and Crowder are quite a bit like Ballentine. They are fringe players who got some burn because of injuries, but shouldn’t be penciled in as starters.
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