Giants' Insider beat reporter Chris Bisignano. On one of their last 2 podcasts he said that he heard from "inside the building" that Beal did some things that made him persona non grata to the current coaching staff even before Beal opted out of the 2020 season.
He did not state anything more specifically than that, basically just saying he didn't expect Beal to be competing for the #2 outside CB starting role opposite James Bradberry in 2021, because of those (unspecified) actions prior to opting out.
IIRC his exact words were: "I don't expect Beal back for the 2021 season with the Giants."
Thought I'd pass that along. If DG is "hole filling" in this upcoming draft that puts the CB position on a higher tier of need, I imagine. Unless DG unearths another Bradberry in free agency.
Before Sam, the only other player the Giants took in Supplemental was one Tito Whooten in the 4th. That is it. No other players taken by the Giants in the Supplemental. That would be crazy. Certainly not the first round. Move along, nothing to see here.
Well...and of course Duke QB Dave Brown.
Baker was a waste. Many people in the Giants organization apparently did not want to draft him. He was also the Thorpe Award winner for the best DB in college football, but was still available at #30, even though the NFL is a passing league. If we hadn't traded up to take him, he would not have been drafted in the first round.
Ballentine as others have noted was a sixth round pick from a small college. He was also shot just after being drafted.
Yiadom was worth the seventh round pick we traded to Denver to get him this year. Love and Holmes were good picks. McKinney is an unknown, but looks promising.
I think we used a first round supplemental draft pick on Dave Brown.
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no, Baker cost us a 4th and 5th. Stop the bullshit.
Don't follow...what bullsh___?
Giants picked him in first round. They got the pick from burning a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
This is one of the weirder mind fucks of last year.
If the Giants don’t make the trade, they would have picked 3 players.
In exchange for those three players, they received one player.
If you had an apple, and I gave you three oranges in exchange for it — how many oranges did the apple cost?
If I had to guess I'd say that 85% of 6th round draft picks don't even make the team, let alone sniff the NFL field. Let's relax on that.
He’s still part of this convo simply because we invested so heavily in that position. Now even his selection was a waste because that could’ve been a pic invested elsewhere. But it feels like by comparison, we got the most value out of him.
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In comment 15120125 ryanmkeane said:
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no, Baker cost us a 4th and 5th. Stop the bullshit.
Don't follow...what bullsh___?
Giants picked him in first round. They got the pick from burning a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
This is one of the weirder mind fucks of last year.
If the Giants don’t make the trade, they would have picked 3 players.
In exchange for those three players, they received one player.
If you had an apple, and I gave you three oranges in exchange for it — how many oranges did the apple cost?
A new level of rationalization.
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In comment 15120125 ryanmkeane said:
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no, Baker cost us a 4th and 5th. Stop the bullshit.
Don't follow...what bullsh___?
Giants picked him in first round. They got the pick from burning a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
This is one of the weirder mind fucks of last year.
If the Giants don’t make the trade, they would have picked 3 players.
In exchange for those three players, they received one player.
If you had an apple, and I gave you three oranges in exchange for it — how many oranges did the apple cost?
If a 1st round draft pick falls down in the woods but nobody is there to hear it, did the NY Giants actually pick him at all?
both players were highly touted, their character concerns are not DG's fault.
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Beal, Ballentine.
The 3 amigos.
Combined, these 3 amigos cost the NY Giants a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and a 6th round pick.
Almost an entire draft wasted on crappy CB evaluations during a rebuild.
oh shut the fuck up, Beal/Baker issues weren't performance related. Get a clue man
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That's what happens when you see a need and draft towards it. Get ready for more of that in the offensive skill positions this spring.
The bigger issue is that we can't identify talent consistently. When you're an inaccurate dart thrower, the only way you can hope for a hit is if you throw more darts.
Also noting that Darian Thompson, a big fizzle for the Giants, was starting for Dallas. So there's also an issue with player development. I think Judge is fixing that.
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both players were highly touted, their character concerns are not DG's fault.
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Considering the Giants dumped their previous Player Engagement model, revamped the staff, and hired a full-time psychologist to lead the department -- seems pretty clear the organization as a whole recognized character and player evaluation wasn't cutting it.
Agree, it will be hard to miss what we never had.
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In comment 15120046 McNally's_Nuts said:
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Beal, Ballentine.
The 3 amigos.
Combined, these 3 amigos cost the NY Giants a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and a 6th round pick.
Almost an entire draft wasted on crappy CB evaluations during a rebuild.
oh shut the fuck up, Beal/Baker issues weren't performance related. Get a clue man
Sure they were...performance from the guys that picked them.
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no, Baker cost us a 4th and 5th. Stop the bullshit.
Don't follow...what bullsh___?
Giants picked him in first round. They got the pick from burning a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
The Giants got a first round draft pick for a second rounder. Uneven trade in the Giants favor if that's all there was to it. However, in order to move up they had to add the 4th and 5th. So, the cost of the trade was the 4th and 5th.
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In comment 15120125 ryanmkeane said:
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no, Baker cost us a 4th and 5th. Stop the bullshit.
Don't follow...what bullsh___?
Giants picked him in first round. They got the pick from burning a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
The Giants got a first round draft pick for a second rounder. Uneven trade in the Giants favor if that's all there was to it. However, in order to move up they had to add the 4th and 5th. So, the cost of the trade was the 4th and 5th.
Yes, the cost of the trade was a 4th and a 5th.
However, the cost of Baker was a 2nd, 4th and 5th.
And that is indisputable.
Do you all feel like this is some kind of trick question or something?
Baker had some attitude issues in college. would have been interesting to see how he turned out if drafted under this coaching staff
The other one was Beal - addition by subtraction
unless the OP means some other method of separation.
Without trying to make this a blame game this is exactly the thing you are trying to look before BEFORE you draft a guy.
Either they got conned or they didn't ask the right questions in interviews because this really, really shouldn't happen.
It would explain the new coaching staff potentially souring on him quickly.
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both players were highly touted, their character concerns are not DG's fault.
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Highly regarded by whom? DG? Baker was the 1st CB drafted in 2019 all the way down at pick #30 clearly the NFL wasn’t overly high on that CB class
Beal was a supplemental draft pick IIrc a real head scratcher @ the time...
Also if you believe Deandre Baker just woke up one day and decided to involve himself in criminal activity or be at a place where criminal activity is possible I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale
2 pitiful draft picks and for New York to improve they have to get better in selecting players and can’t have these complete failure like Beal and Baker
he was drafted in 2018 and then spent the whole season on IR
2019 - went on IR on Sept 1st - out for the season.
Then last year opts out for Covid reasons in 2020
He has been with the team for 3 seasons and never played a down. I do not know why his opting out bothers me. I guess I expected him to be excited to play after missing all of the first 2 seasons ... and then he takes another year off voluntarily? Hmmm ..
You can't be that stupid or you'd forget to breathe.
he was drafted in 2018 and then spent the whole season on IR
2019 - went on IR on Sept 1st - out for the season.
Then last year opts out for Covid reasons in 2020
He has been with the team for 3 seasons and never played a down. I do not know why his opting out bothers me. I guess I expected him to be excited to play after missing all of the first 2 seasons ... and then he takes another year off voluntarily? Hmmm ..
What?
Was that necessary? You must be a miserable grumpy old man at least that’s the way you come across on this message board
He looks the part, but he’s squarely approaching or is a lost cause.
There’s no risk in bringing him to camp next year. But it’d be crazy to expect anything from him.
MORE AT 11
its insane, does anyone follow him on social media? has he been in a crypt the entire time?