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Garrett and HC opportunities

Since1965 : 1/12/2021 12:05 pm
I find it interesting that with all the HC positions open that Garrett has had only one interview so far. I think that speaks to how he is viewed as HC material by other teams. Certainly, his work with the Giants this year has not helped his cause. In spite of the lack of offensive talent, I don't think his system is a good fit for Jones and the Giants. Missing Barkley was huge, but Shurmur endured missed time from Barkley and a lack of effectiveness when returning too soon from his injury. That offense at least showed occasional ability, better than Garrett's offense where a few guys appeared to take a step backwards. Their passing offense was consistently dysfunctional. Third and five was a crisis to get the ball in the air 10 yards. I really think the Giants need to move in another direction from Garrett, and him obtaining a HC gig would be the easy way to part. I wonder if the Giants would be willing to make the difficult call and fire Garrett? Because, that's what they need to do.
This didn’t look like the offense he ran in Dallas outside the lack  
Zeke's Alibi : 1/12/2021 12:15 pm : link
Of motion and some core concepts.

Under Garrett, Dallas had two top 10 WRs in yards per catch pretty much every year. The deep routes were noticeably missing. I wonder if that’s something Judge or talent influenced or probably both.
Well the owner/gm/hc  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/12/2021 12:17 pm : link
All came out supporting Garrett so he's not getting fired
Unfortunately, I think Garrett gets one more year with  
Simms11 : 1/12/2021 12:19 pm : link
Jones and then I would think the Giants would then have a big decision on both after next season. Giants will load up with more weapons and give them every opportunity to compete and show that this past year was a blip.
Garrett is a bright guy....and was considered a good offensive mind  
George from PA : 1/12/2021 12:20 pm : link
I would think he can learn, adjust and modernize his system.

Consistent and building seems like the right approach.

He’s not getting a HC job  
BradberryGlue : 1/12/2021 12:21 pm : link
He’s a putz and we were 31st in offense. He should be getting fired from this job let alone earning a promotion. I thought Judge would promote Kitchens or call Bill O’Brien.
RE: He’s not getting a HC job  
section125 : 1/12/2021 12:30 pm : link
In comment 15120145 BradberryGlue said:
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He’s a putz and we were 31st in offense. He should be getting fired from this job let alone earning a promotion. I thought Judge would promote Kitchens or call Bill O’Brien.


Bill O'Briem - speaking of putzes
I think teams  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/12/2021 12:33 pm : link
strongly consider how their fanbase would respond to the HC selection which factors in. Many like the next "hot" candidate the majority of which end poorly.

I think it is fair to say he showed he is a good HC. He made the playoffs a few times, never embarrassed the organization and I don't recall players ever quitting on him.

He did not advance far in the playoffs and that hurts him. You could do a lot worse at HC than Garrett and he may even be better in that role than OC.
RE: RE: He’s not getting a HC job  
BradberryGlue : 1/12/2021 12:35 pm : link
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He’s a putz and we were 31st in offense. He should be getting fired from this job let alone earning a promotion. I thought Judge would promote Kitchens or call Bill O’Brien.



Bill O'Briem - speaking of putzes


Not saying I’d have wanted him, but he has Pats ties and developed Watson. I think he’d be on the Judge list of replacements.
RE: RE: RE: He’s not getting a HC job  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/12/2021 12:43 pm : link
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He’s a putz and we were 31st in offense. He should be getting fired from this job let alone earning a promotion. I thought Judge would promote Kitchens or call Bill O’Brien.



Bill O'Briem - speaking of putzes



Not saying I’d have wanted him, but he has Pats ties and developed Watson. I think he’d be on the Judge list of replacements.


Didn't Saban just hire him as OC to replace Sark?
He didn't have much to work with here as far as skill players  
Chip : 1/12/2021 12:44 pm : link
When Barkley went down that left Shephard and Engram. Engram the hands of stone good for boxing but not catching the ball.
RE: He didn't have much to work with here as far as skill players  
BradberryGlue : 1/12/2021 12:48 pm : link
In comment 15120188 Chip said:
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When Barkley went down that left Shephard and Engram. Engram the hands of stone good for boxing but not catching the ball.


Offenses don’t implode when they lose a RB. It just doesn’t happen. And Gallman/Morris ran for a lot of tough yards Barkley doesn’t take. Barkley likes to trade the 0 yard carries for the eventual 40 yarder. The Giants were probably the healthiest team in the division overall.
While I don't rate Michael Lombardi  
bigbluescot : 1/12/2021 1:21 pm : link
he says Spanos is close friends with Jimmy Johnson and Johnson really likes Garrett so has interviewed him on this basis.
Jimmy Johnson has been cheerleading for Garrett  
Ben in Tampa : 1/12/2021 1:45 pm : link
He suggested, unprompted, that the Lions should hire Garrett after they fired Patricia.
RE: Jimmy Johnson has been cheerleading for Garrett  
Tom in NY : 1/12/2021 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15120272 Ben in Tampa said:
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He suggested, unprompted, that the Lions should hire Garrett after they fired Patricia.


In all sincerity, the Lions need someone with Garrett's "cache" as an NFL HC. The Patricia experiment was an embarrassment after they fired Caldwell. They either need to bring Saleh (local guy, big reputation) or somebody with NFL experience to salvage that train wreck.
Its the talent, stupid!  
Bruner4329 : 1/12/2021 2:41 pm : link
I must have been watching a different team this year. Can someone name me one play maker we had on offense this year once SB went down in game 2? We don't have any game breakers at WR. Shepherd is a slot guy and Slayton disappears too often. There are games you wonder if he even played. The few times a great play was called most ended up badly. I mean the first Eagles game the pass to EE should have sealed the game and what happened he dropped it.

Before Garrett is run out of here lets see what he can do with some players. Get him a quality WR game breaker type, a TE that can catch and a healthy SB and then we can evaluate. Not sure the greatest offensive coordinator of all time could have done any better this year.
O'Brien.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/12/2021 2:46 pm : link
"developed Watson"?? The guy was already really good coming out of Clemson. It would be like saying whomever the Jax coach will be developed Lawrence.

That's the kind of shit that got Adam Gase two chances!
RE: O'Brien.  
BradberryGlue : 1/12/2021 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15120343 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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"developed Watson"?? The guy was already really good coming out of Clemson. It would be like saying whomever the Jax coach will be developed Lawrence.

That's the kind of shit that got Adam Gase two chances!


Watson was a mid-Round 1 pick. Every good college QB translates to success in the NFL? Hasn’t worked for our guy yet.
RE: Its the talent, stupid!  
Since1965 : 1/12/2021 3:00 pm : link
Of course the talent is not very good. And, I wouldn't be foolish enough to suggest that Garrett doesn't know football, but the offense regressed this year. And, that's with an offensive line that while still poor at pass protecting, was still better than the year before. And their run blocking was better too. The Giants were 18th in points in 2019, 31st in 2020 with virtually the same receiving corps as last year. Judge said that the coach's job is to put players in a position to succeed by maximizing their strengths. Garrett's offense didn't do that in my opinion, which is why I think a different system is needed. It didn't work.
this has been the worst offense talent wise Garrett  
Platos : 1/12/2021 3:06 pm : link
has ever had.

I'd rather keep him going into Jone's 3rd year as this is the year we should see a step up for Jones.

we're definitely going to go heavier on offense this draft/fa might as well roll with him this year for continuities sake.
I don't know if Sarkisian would take an NFL OC job,  
Go Terps : 1/12/2021 6:19 pm : link
but watching this video sums up nicely that explosive plays are critical.

Not "establishing the run" and getting 6 yards on 3rd and 5.
Link - ( New Window )
Great..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/12/2021 6:27 pm : link
now we are going to get examples of college OC's knowing what to do??

Man, Brady really lit shit up with the Panthers this year, no
RE: Great..  
Go Terps : 1/12/2021 6:29 pm : link
In comment 15120575 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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now we are going to get examples of college OC's knowing what to do??

Man, Brady really lit shit up with the Panthers this year, no


I don't know for certain that Sarkisian would work out in the NFL, but Garrett's performance in 2020 speaks for itself.

If we want Jones to have a shot at turning it around, Garrett isn't the guy to do it.
As for Brady,  
Go Terps : 1/12/2021 6:39 pm : link
his struggling offense was a full 4.5 PPG better than the Giants'.

If Garrett is back, we know why. Stapleton said it himself: "The Mara family loves him."
Can't blame Garrett!  
csh2z : 1/13/2021 4:25 pm : link
Too many players on the offense were sub-par. I can't think of one offensive player that was consistently good throughout the season. Our whole offense individually was at or below average most of the year. It didn't matter what plays were called, if the execution is poor. Many of these guys simply played better in 2019 than this season. Jones, Barkley, Shepard, Tate, Slayton, Engram etc. Can you say any of them played, this year, up to their own standards?
Garrett had nobody he could consistently depend on to play on a higher level.

You want to fire the coach?
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