NFT: Tiger Wood doc on HBO....

I haven't watched it yet, but I've heard good things. Fascinating character, and this is coming from someone who has rooted against him from the jump. From all I've read, his old man did a number on him.

but I’m not surprised. I mean if a kid grows up seeing his Dad behave that way he is likely going to end up the same way unless he/she escapes that influence. I mean going back over his career his Dad was running the show all the way up until he died. I know the guy is rich beyond belief, but what a sad childhood. It’s the same with these kid actors that are pushed by crazy parents in many cases living vicariously through their children.

And have a nit to pick.

The part about using mind games on Phil. Took place on the 13th at the masters. First if you watch the video, Phil hit 3 wood too. He played a fade to Tigers draw. Any golfer knows that a draw is going to be longer than a fade.

So then Stevie claims Phil was dejected and feel apart. They then cut to Phil hitting a bad tee shot and tiger hitting it close. Problem is the bad tee shot they showed was on the 10th and the shot tiger hit was on the 11th. All before the mind game.

From the 13th hole in Phil was 1 under. Hardly the choke job they implied.

Now if they are being dishonest about that what else are they being dishonest about?

In comment 15120621 eric2425ny said:

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but I’m not surprised. I mean if a kid grows up seeing his Dad behave that way he is likely going to end up the same way unless he/she escapes that influence. I mean going back over his career his Dad was running the show all the way up until he died. I know the guy is rich beyond belief, but what a sad childhood. It’s the same with these kid actors that are pushed by crazy parents in many cases living vicariously through their children.

Watch the show. They actually had a falling out once tiger made it.

As with Jordan and LT and others, I never cared about his character or his off-course behavior. I just root for him in admiration of his overwhelming greatness. The more you know about golf, and his towering record of achievement starting with his first US Junior Am, the more jaw dropping it is.

My only regrets? I wish he stayed with Butch Harmon, I wish he didn’t get obsessed with bulking up ... and I wish we had another 5 prime years.

But I will never forget watching him up close at RTJ at The Presidents Cup in his absolute young prime. He was still playing a small headed, steel shafted driver at the time. His downswing was like a vortex of speed and he hit a drive that defied logic — crazy low, a tight little 300 yard draw. Holy crap.

In comment 15120631 fireitup77 said:

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And have a nit to pick. The part about using mind games on Phil. Took place on the 13th at the masters. First if you watch the video, Phil hit 3 wood too. He played a fade to Tigers draw. Any golfer knows that a draw is going to be longer than a fade. So then Stevie claims Phil was dejected and feel apart. They then cut to Phil hitting a bad tee shot and tiger hitting it close. Problem is the bad tee shot they showed was on the 10th and the shot tiger hit was on the 11th. All before the mind game. From the 13th hole in Phil was 1 under. Hardly the choke job they implied. Now if they are being dishonest about that what else are they being dishonest about?

I watched that part and thought, IMO, it was sort of lame to claim Phil caved just because Tiger out-drove him from the tee on that particular....isn't it really who wins the hole?

These guys are the best, not some duffers lol

Nothing else mattered. Maybe what you are seeing was just a visual representation of that and you shouldn’t be so literal

In comment 15120757 mattlawson said:

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Nothing else mattered. Maybe what you are seeing was just a visual representation of that and you shouldn’t be so literal

Did you watch the show? They were being literal. They claim Phil folded because tiger out drove him. They claim Phil hit driver and tiger hit three wood. If you watch the video Phil hit 3 wood too. They had tigers caddie claim it was the reason tiger won. But the facts show otherwise.

Aren't documentaries supposed to be factual. If they make this stuff up, what else are they making up? The funny thing is, this topic has nothing to do with tigers sorry. Why is it even in the show?

In comment 15120631 fireitup77 said:

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And have a nit to pick. The part about using mind games on Phil. Took place on the 13th at the masters. First if you watch the video, Phil hit 3 wood too. He played a fade to Tigers draw. Any golfer knows that a draw is going to be longer than a fade. So then Stevie claims Phil was dejected and feel apart. They then cut to Phil hitting a bad tee shot and tiger hitting it close. Problem is the bad tee shot they showed was on the 10th and the shot tiger hit was on the 11th. All before the mind game. From the 13th hole in Phil was 1 under. Hardly the choke job they implied. Now if they are being dishonest about that what else are they being dishonest about?

haha agree.
Also not much in there that wasnt already known.

they are putting on some people involved with his early life before turning pro. They have plenty of comments about the parenting, both good and bad, as well as the loose behavior of his Dad behind the scenes.

Part 1 ends with quick look at one of the girls linked to Tiger as he begins to follow in his Dad's footsteps with alleged cheating.

at ALL that his first girlfriend kept that break up letter in a safe deposit box though.

In comment 15122212 McNally's_Nuts said:

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at ALL that his first girlfriend kept that break up letter in a safe deposit box though.

I mean is it? That certainly was extremely weird and it was apparent Tiger was going to be a fairly famous person at that point.

a documentary of Mickleson's life would be tied up in court by Phil as long as possible.

I'd love it if the creators of the Tiger doc did it just to tweak him!!

seen the documentary yet, but I plan to.

I just thought the Tiger vs Phil stuff was more media than reality. It just seems when you have a hero (Tiger) you need a villain (Phil). Is that wrong?

They seem cordial now (at a minimum and I'd even believe they were friends if someone said as much) (maybe like a Magic and Bird relationship?) and I will allow that time/life changes people so maybe he was a douche bag in his prime but has mellowed now. Today, Mickelson is one of the best twitter follows and one of the most interesting interviews in the sport. Just seems like a regular guys busting balls and getting his balls busted. He comes across as arrogant at times, but when you are (or were) one of the 5-best in the world at what you do sometimes its that arrogance that makes you successful.

They touch on the early Tiger/Phil golf story. Phil being a SoCal youth golf legend and Tiger always hearing about. I can't remember if it was someone interviewed or not but they discussed the Masters pairing and how Tiger's mom wanted Tiger to destroy Phil b/c he was out of shape, etc and Tiger was this finely tuned athlete.

Definitely seems like they are much more cordial now then they were in the early 2000s