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nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:04 am
This is one of those games i wish fans were allowed in the building..

Should be interesting, see which Knicks team shows up, doubt Thibs changes starters
Mitchell Robinson hints on instagram  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:15 am : link
he is going to start shooting more..
This is a game the Knicks should lose  
Stu11 : 1/13/2021 8:18 am : link
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RE: This is a game the Knicks should lose  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:19 am : link
In comment 15120839 Stu11 said:
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hahahaha
I thought you said you were done starting game threads?  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2021 8:29 am : link
Congrats on the win, Nets fans.
Knicks PG is hot garbage and unfortunately he is also  
Heisenberg : 1/13/2021 9:14 am : link
easy to find.
Sounds like Obi's back!  
Anakim : 1/13/2021 10:27 am : link
Injury Report 1/13 vs. BKN: Taj Gibson is available; Probable - Obi Toppin (strained right calf); Doubtful - Reggie Bullock (sore right hip); Out - Alec Burks (sprained left ankle) and Frank Ntilikina (sprained right knee).
RJ Barrett  
ImissTiki : 1/13/2021 10:28 am : link
I hope he puts together a great game.. I know he’s still a young player but I wanna see him start to live up to that 3rd overall pick status
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Anakim : 1/13/2021 10:29 am : link
nick wright
@getnickwright
News: There has been legitimate movement on the Harden front.

Brooklyn is prepared to offer *anyone* that Houston wants aside from Durant for Harden, as well as 3 1sts & swaps.

BK willing to make the same bet it once made on KG & Pierce, but on Harden.
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nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 10:32 am : link
In comment 15121029 Anakim said:
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nick wright
@getnickwright
News: There has been legitimate movement on the Harden front.

Brooklyn is prepared to offer *anyone* that Houston wants aside from Durant for Harden, as well as 3 1sts & swaps.

BK willing to make the same bet it once made on KG & Pierce, but on Harden.


IF true, Durant gave them the ok to trade Kyrie
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Heisenberg : 1/13/2021 10:33 am : link
In comment 15121029 Anakim said:
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nick wright
@getnickwright
News: There has been legitimate movement on the Harden front.

Brooklyn is prepared to offer *anyone* that Houston wants aside from Durant for Harden, as well as 3 1sts & swaps.

BK willing to make the same bet it once made on KG & Pierce, but on Harden.


Interesting to add him to that team. And here I was thinking that Harden is almost fat and toxic enough to be attractive to Dolan.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2021 10:49 am : link
If I'm the Nets, I'd move Kyrie for Harden in a heartbeat. Harden, for all his dramatics, at least plays the damn games. Irving is off doing whatever that would have most, if not all, of us fired in a heartbeat.
would be very upsetting  
hitdog42 : 1/13/2021 10:59 am : link
to make up for a misjudging of Kyrie's daily availability.... to trade Allen and Levert... for Harden. they can do whatever they want but to move those 2... which is who any team should ask for in a blockbuster... would be upsetting.
I would much rather trade the farm for Beal if that was ever an option- fk harden

side not KD looked unreal last night to close it out
Houston would be crazy to take on Kyrie  
larryflower37 : 1/13/2021 11:18 am : link
They think they have drama with Harden, Kyrie would last 10 minutes in Houston.
Obi upgraded to probable for tonight.  
bceagle05 : 1/13/2021 12:41 pm : link
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Kyrie  
TyreeHelmet : 1/13/2021 1:10 pm : link
I don’t see any scenario he is traded. What team is signing up for that?

Durant looks fully back. What an incredible talent.

Just a random thought watching the game last night. Would you trade Barrett for Levert?
KD playing his first back-to-back off the injury tonight.  
bceagle05 : 1/13/2021 1:16 pm : link
I'm sure he'll do just fine and yeah, he looks even better than I remember him. What a fun player to watch.
Knicks really need this one  
ryanmkeane : 1/13/2021 1:28 pm : link
if it's another bad loss, the narratives will begin
I understand the hot start but  
larryflower37 : 1/13/2021 1:45 pm : link
They are overachieving at this point.
We are learning a lot about Knox, RJ, Mitch, and Quickley.
This was always a lottery team.

If and when they get healthy they will still overachieve this season.
Looking for Quickley to pick up his game  
Stu11 : 1/13/2021 2:27 pm : link
I know it's super super early but he's been beyond awful the past 3 or 4 games.
lots of chatter  
Enzo : 1/13/2021 2:30 pm : link
about Harden from Woj and Stein. Maybe the Knicks can use their cap space to get involved and acquire an asset.
What do you think of that Harden deal Jimmy  
ghost718 : 1/13/2021 5:39 pm : link
How many players can the Nets  
Section331 : 1/13/2021 6:40 pm : link
put on the court tonight? Add the fact that KD hasn’t been playing on NAC to back nights, who’s left?
Back to back nights.  
Section331 : 1/13/2021 6:41 pm : link
Spellcheck is so weird.
RE: How many players can the Nets  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2021 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15121645 Section331 said:
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put on the court tonight? Add the fact that KD hasn’t been playing on NAC to back nights, who’s left?


I'm able to go if needed.
Knicks lose  
PhilSimms15 : 1/13/2021 7:25 pm : link
But get closer to drafting Cunningham, Suggs or Mobley.
Harden to Brooklyn, KP returns for Dallas  
bceagle05 : 1/13/2021 7:35 pm : link
and the Knicks...well...whatever.
Great start  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2021 7:49 pm : link
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is Toppin going to play?  
Eric on Li : 1/13/2021 7:50 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2021 8:09 pm : link
Quickley. I like this kid. He's a keeper.
RE: is Toppin going to play?  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15121705 Eric on Li said:
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Thibs said he is cleared but not sure if he will get minutes
Noel getting cooked by a rookie  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:14 pm : link
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Obi in.  
bceagle05 : 1/13/2021 8:19 pm : link
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RE: Obi in.  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:31 pm : link
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for 1 minute lol
That was weird  
Jon in NYC : 1/13/2021 8:35 pm : link
about Obi.

Rivers is definitely best coming off the bench.

It's so hard to win when you get absolutely nothing from your backcourt.
Horrible spacing, guys bunched in corners ..,  
Jim from Katonah : 1/13/2021 8:36 pm : link
... watching the ball, just horrific basketball.

Oh the sweet days of 5-3.
Payton is so bad  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:36 pm : link
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fucking embarrassment  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:39 pm : link
how the hell do you keep playing rj and payton together, i am sorry that is just stubborn bullshit..

Payton shooting pull up 15 footers is killing this team..

Rj cant hit anything not even layups at this point..

Bench them both, they are both killing this team..

Rj also has to be thr laziest defender i have ever seen, worse than knox
RE: Payton is so bad  
Jim from Katonah : 1/13/2021 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15121750 nygiants16 said:
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I know I’m a bad fan, but the last 5 minutes were so depressing I think I gotta give it a break out of self-preservation lol.
Starting to think RJ  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2021 8:40 pm : link
might not be long on this team...
RE: RE: Payton is so bad  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:41 pm : link
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I know I’m a bad fan, but the last 5 minutes were so depressing I think I gotta give it a break out of self-preservation lol.


you could see the difference between the offense with shooters on the court and the starting lineup..
Tibs will always choose defense over offense  
Chris L. : 1/13/2021 8:41 pm : link
and sometimes it kills this team. He subbed out IQ after the kid hits his second three. Bruce Brown muscled him and Tibs pulled him. What happens next...no offense on the court Payton misses four shots and turns the ball over two other times and we close the half on a 15-2 run against us. IQ needs to play!!!!! Payton sucks...can't watch him miss another shot from two feet away.
RE: Starting to think RJ  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:42 pm : link
In comment 15121755 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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might not be long on this team...


Calling it now he is traded before next season
Thibs needs to make a change  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:43 pm : link
start the 2nd half with Quick, Rivers, Knox, Randle and mitch..

Enough with this no shooting starting lineup..
The Burks injury has kiiled us  
Chris L. : 1/13/2021 8:44 pm : link
best shooter on the team and we have so few shooters as it is. What has he missed a month??? When is he going to be back. Its like he broke the ankle.
RE: RE: RE: Payton is so bad  
Jim from Katonah : 1/13/2021 8:44 pm : link
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I know I’m a bad fan, but the last 5 minutes were so depressing I think I gotta give it a break out of self-preservation lol.



you could see the difference between the offense with shooters on the court and the starting lineup..


I’d rather not watch than watch Payton and guys clanking it from mid-range with no rebounders in sight. It’s just pointless, nowhere basketball.
Package RJ  
Jon in NYC : 1/13/2021 8:44 pm : link
for Beal while he still has value.

The lack of shooting just won't work.
RE: The Burks injury has kiiled us  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15121762 Chris L. said:
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best shooter on the team and we have so few shooters as it is. What has he missed a month??? When is he going to be back. Its like he broke the ankle.


Whats crazy is when it happened, everyone said he was fine and would play next game
RE: Package RJ  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15121764 Jon in NYC said:
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for Beal while he still has value.

The lack of shooting just won't work.


id trade him for buddy hield at this point
Barrett has been a disaster this season  
Anakim : 1/13/2021 8:48 pm : link
17% from 3P
RE: RE: Starting to think RJ  
Jim from Katonah : 1/13/2021 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15121759 nygiants16 said:
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might not be long on this team...



Calling it now he is traded before next season


He looks numb out there. Just blank, he’s overwhelmed and drowning. Shooting a basketball is not that hard. He’s got the hoops equivalent of the putting yips. Hopefully Obi can play, play with confidence and skill and a measure of competence — probably too much to ask.
At this point randle is going to ask for a trade  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:49 pm : link
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Giving up on the 3rd overall pick  
ghost718 : 1/13/2021 8:53 pm : link
after 1 season and 11 games,is a Knicks type move.

How about you get rid of the scrubs who have been here longer and are not showing any signs of being more than what they currently are.

How about you get rid of the bum that leads this team,and came here just to build his brand,that being Randle.

You want to see someone traded,start there.
RE: Package RJ  
Ron Johnson : 1/13/2021 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15121764 Jon in NYC said:
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for Beal while he still has value.

The lack of shooting just won't work.


What value does he have?
If Thibs is the coach we think he is ...  
Jim from Katonah : 1/13/2021 8:55 pm : link
... he’ll draw something out of RJ. He’s completely lost right now, like Gary Sanchez in the middle of one of his 2 for 50 slumps. RJ might not be good, but he’s not this bad ... somehow, someway they gotta get him out of this.
Is Thibs just being stubborn?  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 8:58 pm : link
i dont get it?
This is more  
Jon in NYC : 1/13/2021 9:01 pm : link
like it RJ. Carrying the offense in the 2nd half. Doesn't need to shoot 3s to be effective.
Anyone who thinks Randle is the problem with this team  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 9:02 pm : link
needs their head examined, without randle they are down 40..
Nice to have you back, Quickley.  
bceagle05 : 1/13/2021 9:08 pm : link
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RE: This is more  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15121784 Jon in NYC said:
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like it RJ. Carrying the offense in the 2nd half. Doesn't need to shoot 3s to be effective.


problem is the starting lineup has zero spacing..
I thibk Thibs is a great coach  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 9:18 pm : link
but i dont understand how he keeps play payton and rj together..it is really getting annoying..

I cant watch payton play anymore
They need players that can actually score  
GMEN46 : 1/13/2021 9:19 pm : link
Randle has been fantastic thisbyear but he can’t create his own shot consistently and easily. We do not have one player in this team that get a basket when we really need a basket. They need to start drafting players that can score and shoot. You can’t play 4 guys in a starting line up that can’t make 3 point shots
Honestly fuck Payton  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 9:25 pm : link
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Who's the best shooter in the 2021 Draft? Kispert?  
Anakim : 1/13/2021 9:26 pm : link
Whoever it is, we need to draft him.
Payton  
TyreeHelmet : 1/13/2021 9:27 pm : link
I don’t care how they do it or who he is, but they need to find someone else to play instead of Payton. There has to be someone out there that is better than this guy. I will never understand how they chose to bring him back as the starting point guard.
Honestly take Payton off the court  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 9:27 pm : link
and the offense looks so much better..
RE: Payton  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15121805 TyreeHelmet said:
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I don’t care how they do it or who he is, but they need to find someone else to play instead of Payton. There has to be someone out there that is better than this guy. I will never understand how they chose to bring him back as the starting point guard.


Burks needs to come back, stsrt quickley and rivers back up point
honestly how can Thibs not start quickley next game??  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 9:32 pm : link
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fuck off payton  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 9:35 pm : link
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What happened to Obi?  
Jim from Katonah : 1/13/2021 9:38 pm : link
1 minute?
RE: What happened to Obi?  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 9:39 pm : link
In comment 15121819 Jim from Katonah said:
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1 minute?


Thibs said he was probably not going to play tonight, juat wanted to get his feet wet for a couple of possessions
KD is  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2021 9:41 pm : link
damn good.
Barrett needs to forget about the 3 for right now  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 9:44 pm : link
live in the midrange and then work your way out..

RE: RE: What happened to Obi?  
Jim from Katonah : 1/13/2021 9:45 pm : link
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Thibs said he was probably not going to play tonight, juat wanted to get his feet wet for a couple of possessions


On the stubbornness question, down 10 with the ball, why not put in Quickley, maybe their best shooter?
RE: RE: RE: What happened to Obi?  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 9:47 pm : link
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Thibs said he was probably not going to play tonight, juat wanted to get his feet wet for a couple of possessions



On the stubbornness question, down 10 with the ball, why not put in Quickley, maybe their best shooter?


I dont mind the lineup he has in right now..
With Randle playing the way he is  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 9:50 pm : link
You dont need a true point guard, you juat need shooters and ball handlers
12 down, 60 - at most - to go.  
bceagle05 : 1/13/2021 10:16 pm : link
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Quickley getting shots up after game  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2021 11:06 pm : link
If its me: quickley rj knox randle mitch starts next game..

I think thibs will start Rivers Rj Knox randle mitch
This game really pissed me off  
GMEN46 : 1/14/2021 9:48 am : link
I guess I got too excited with the first 8 games and I think we are seeing what this team really is now. Randle has been phenomenal but you can’t win in the NBA when he is your go to go when you need a bucket. The Knicks don’t have a guy that can just go and get a bucket. This is why I am all in on Beal. I don’t care what it costs go and get him. The reason I say this is because to me Mitch is the only young guy with all star potential in the next 3 years. I think Knox can become a very good player but that is going to take another 4 years and he will be due for a bigger contract before then. I know RJ is young but I don’t see the upside in him that other young players in this league have. He has terrible shooting form, he is very slow and lacks athleticism for the position he needs to play. His best bet may be to beef up and try to play a small ball power forward.
Observations from last night  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2021 9:55 am : link
Randle is clearly the best player on this team, 30, 7 and 5 assists only 2 turnovers. Was basically the entire offense in the first half. If teams are going to give him the midrange he needs to keep taking it.

Rj needs to live in the midrange and at the rim, dont worry aboit the 3 right now, take 2 maybe 3 a game to keep defense honest but his midrange game is going to propel him.

Knox best 3 point shooter on the team right now 42%, i wrote him off to start the year but i think he needs to start and finish games. His defense and hustle is better.

Mitch double-double, playing great right now..really not much else to say

Noel is garbage, when Gibson is ready i expect him to take Noels minutes..

Quickley got his shot back tonight and you can just see the energy he brings. He is not a true point guard by any means but he is a floor spacer and can get into the lane..

Rivers was meh tonight, he is passing up to many open shots, if its open shoot.

Payton needs to go away he kills any momentum this team gets offensively. Last i think with 4 minutes left rivers hit back to back 3s to cut it to 13 Knicks get a stop, Payton comes down looks off Rivers and takes a long pull up 2 misses of course. Like WTF are you doing? Needs to be benched and i believe Thibs took him out right after that..

Going forward Rivers or Quickley needs to start, Knox should be the starting 3..adds somr floor spacers on the court with the starting unit.

Team doesnt need a traditional point, just a guy who can shoot and handle a little bit..

When Burks is back Payton should not play anymore, shit at this point i dont think he should play burks or not, give Harper some minutes at least he can shoot..

I like Thibs and i think he is a good coach but he needs to bench Payton and if he doesnt i am going to start losing patience
knicks are stinky again  
djm : 1/14/2021 10:13 am : link
hopefully they can work their way through this and get their sea legs back. I guess a bad streak was inevitable...gotta get back to playing D.
RE: knicks are stinky again  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2021 10:18 am : link
In comment 15122081 djm said:
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hopefully they can work their way through this and get their sea legs back. I guess a bad streak was inevitable...gotta get back to playing D.


The reason they won 5 of 6 was becaise they were getting production from their back court, in the 4 game losing streak Payton has been horrible...
The guys who are crushing RJ are out of their minds.  
Mike from SI : 1/14/2021 10:24 am : link
He's not going to stay at 17% from 3 this year, Breen even said on the telecast his form looks better.

Does good form and a good looking shot lead to better shooting? Not always, but look at...Kevin Knox!

I am with all the posters crushing Elf.

Mitch needs to shoot once or twice a game from the outside, starting soon.

Several guys (not named Julius Randle) hesitate to take open looks and instead make passes, including Quickley, Rivers, and Barrett. Would like to see them just take their open looks rather than rely on Randle to invent a good look with like 6 seconds left on the shot clock.
1 more thought.  
Mike from SI : 1/14/2021 10:27 am : link
I want to see Mitch take open jumpers not only because I'd like him to develop, but because it would help our spacing. Right now defenders don't even come out on him when he has the ball, and they also don't defend Peyton all the way to the 3 point line to bait him to shoot. So you have two guys in our starting five who defenders sag off of and clog the middle when they get the ball. That needs to change (by encouraging Mitch to shoot and reducing Elf's minutes.)
RE: Observations from last night  
Mike in NJ : 1/14/2021 10:34 am : link
In comment 15122026 nygiants16 said:
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Randle is clearly the best player on this team, 30, 7 and 5 assists only 2 turnovers. Was basically the entire offense in the first half. If teams are going to give him the midrange he needs to keep taking it.

Rj needs to live in the midrange and at the rim, dont worry aboit the 3 right now, take 2 maybe 3 a game to keep defense honest but his midrange game is going to propel him.

Knox best 3 point shooter on the team right now 42%, i wrote him off to start the year but i think he needs to start and finish games. His defense and hustle is better.

Mitch double-double, playing great right now..really not much else to say

Noel is garbage, when Gibson is ready i expect him to take Noels minutes..

Quickley got his shot back tonight and you can just see the energy he brings. He is not a true point guard by any means but he is a floor spacer and can get into the lane..

Rivers was meh tonight, he is passing up to many open shots, if its open shoot.

Payton needs to go away he kills any momentum this team gets offensively. Last i think with 4 minutes left rivers hit back to back 3s to cut it to 13 Knicks get a stop, Payton comes down looks off Rivers and takes a long pull up 2 misses of course. Like WTF are you doing? Needs to be benched and i believe Thibs took him out right after that..

Going forward Rivers or Quickley needs to start, Knox should be the starting 3..adds somr floor spacers on the court with the starting unit.

Team doesnt need a traditional point, just a guy who can shoot and handle a little bit..

When Burks is back Payton should not play anymore, shit at this point i dont think he should play burks or not, give Harper some minutes at least he can shoot..

I like Thibs and i think he is a good coach but he needs to bench Payton and if he doesnt i am going to start losing patience


Agree with pretty much all of this.

One observation about Quickley, it seemed like for the past few games his shooting was so bad because he was trying to hard to draw fouls. Every time he took a shot he was trying to take an off balance leaner to try and draw contact, or just throwing the ball at the rim when he felt like he got bumped. It was like he took the Trae Young thing to the extreme. Last night he seemed much more in control and just took good shots instead of trying to draw contact. Let's see more of that and less of the wanna be Trae Young nonsense.
One more thing on Rj  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2021 10:40 am : link
I think he settles for the 3 to much because Payton is on the floor with the ball in his hands and when thr ball is in Paytons hands Rj becomes a spot up shooter..

I think in Rjs head he thinks he has to be a floor spacer and he doesnt that shouldnt be bis job..
RE: The guys who are crushing RJ are out of their minds.  
Greg from LI : 1/14/2021 10:40 am : link
In comment 15122099 Mike from SI said:
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He's not going to stay at 17% from 3 this year, Breen even said on the telecast his form looks better.

Does good form and a good looking shot lead to better shooting? Not always, but look at...Kevin Knox!


He was a terrible outside shooter at Duke and he's been a terrible outside shooter here. Right now, you have nothing more than form to suggest he can be even an average 3pt shooter.
the main 5 man unit  
Enzo : 1/14/2021 10:40 am : link
typically has one floor spacer. I don't count Randle even though he's at a respectable 34%...simply because defenders are sagging off him and giving him the shot in most cases. I'd start Knox and let RJ come off the bench. There will still be plenty of mins for RJ. Randle usually draws an extra defender when he goes to the rim. Knox can take advantage of that more so than RJ at this point. Payton is just a bad offensive player on most nights. I'd give his minutes to Frank if Frank ever gets healthy. At least you get good defense and a guy who can guard multiple positions while he's throwing up bricks.
If Payton starts Friday night  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2021 10:43 am : link
i may just follow the game on my phone and when Payton gets taken out i will turn it on..

I cant watch Payton play anymore hr has no feel, if he actually had feel for the game and got guys open looks it could be tolerable..

they simply dont have  
hitdog42 : 1/14/2021 11:06 am : link
any fast twitch players.
don't have a PG.
don't have a lot of floor spacers.

Thibs doing a heroic job given the roster.
RE: they simply dont have  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2021 11:09 am : link
In comment 15122183 hitdog42 said:
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any fast twitch players.
don't have a PG.
don't have a lot of floor spacers.

Thibs doing a heroic job given the roster.


Yup! and probably their best floor spacer is still out
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 1/14/2021 11:23 am : link
Pretty much agree with all the comments here.

- Mitch needs to shoot that top of the key shot. Not every time but a few times a game.
- Randle has been great- major plus on this season.
- Knox has looked good and needs to play even more.
- Rivers is being asked to do too much. He's a backup.

They have to find another point guard besides Payton. You cannot have him playing 30-35 minutes a night. I'm not even sure he's an nba player let alone a starting point guard. There has to be a free agent, G league or a guy at the local gym better than him. It's not even like hes a stout defender that sucks on offense. He's bad at pretty much everything. Just last night Bruce Brown and Chiozza looked significantly better than him. Its beyond time to move on.

RJ is simply killing them. His defenders completely clog the lane when he doesn't have the ball and go under every screen and play off him when he doesn't. I'd bring him off the bench and implore him to drive and hit that mid range until he gets his confidence back.

But long term how do you build around a guy like him? What does he excel at? I just hope there's a team out there that sees some potential in him and that can pull a trade.

Lastly its truly amazing how long the Knicks have been awful at the point guard position. Meanwhile Haliburton is playing great. Did anyone ever hear why the Knicks showed zero interest in drafting him?

It's hard to accept just how shitty their guard play has been year after year... There are a number of backups in this league who would easily start for the Knicks. Not a good look for Leon Rose...

RE: Knicks  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2021 11:30 am : link
In comment 15122209 TyreeHelmet said:
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Pretty much agree with all the comments here.

- Mitch needs to shoot that top of the key shot. Not every time but a few times a game.
- Randle has been great- major plus on this season.
- Knox has looked good and needs to play even more.
- Rivers is being asked to do too much. He's a backup.

They have to find another point guard besides Payton. You cannot have him playing 30-35 minutes a night. I'm not even sure he's an nba player let alone a starting point guard. There has to be a free agent, G league or a guy at the local gym better than him. It's not even like hes a stout defender that sucks on offense. He's bad at pretty much everything. Just last night Bruce Brown and Chiozza looked significantly better than him. Its beyond time to move on.

RJ is simply killing them. His defenders completely clog the lane when he doesn't have the ball and go under every screen and play off him when he doesn't. I'd bring him off the bench and implore him to drive and hit that mid range until he gets his confidence back.

But long term how do you build around a guy like him? What does he excel at? I just hope there's a team out there that sees some potential in him and that can pull a trade.

Lastly its truly amazing how long the Knicks have been awful at the point guard position. Meanwhile Haliburton is playing great. Did anyone ever hear why the Knicks showed zero interest in drafting him?

It's hard to accept just how shitty their guard play has been year after year... There are a number of backups in this league who would easily start for the Knicks. Not a good look for Leon Rose...


Haliburton coming out of college people saw him mlre as an off ball player, not the most athletic, can shoot, and just a good ball mover..

I havnt watched him play so i dony knoe if he is playing a lot of point guard or is playing a lot of off the ball..
Halliburton  
GMEN46 : 1/14/2021 11:46 am : link
I said form the start of the college season that Halliburton was my guy. He is such an efficient shooter, which is the main thing the Knicks are missing. Not sure if you guys remember but I was really pushing for the Knicks to pick donovan mitchell in the frank draft. If the Knicks would just listen to me we would be in much better shape today.
RJ is killing them?  
Heisenberg : 1/14/2021 11:57 am : link
He played well last night. I wouldn't send him to the bench. The team needs scoring and he's the best option after Randle to do that. Keep starting him and tell him to keep shooting.
RE: RJ is killing them?  
Enzo : 1/14/2021 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15122260 Heisenberg said:
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He played well last night. I wouldn't send him to the bench. The team needs scoring and he's the best option after Randle to do that.

I fail to see how a guy shooting 37% from the floor is our second best option. He's actively hurting this team right now.
RE: Knicks  
Stu11 : 1/14/2021 12:41 pm : link
In comment 15122209 TyreeHelmet said:
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Pretty much agree with all the comments here.

- Mitch needs to shoot that top of the key shot. Not every time but a few times a game.
- Randle has been great- major plus on this season.
- Knox has looked good and needs to play even more.
- Rivers is being asked to do too much. He's a backup.

They have to find another point guard besides Payton. You cannot have him playing 30-35 minutes a night. I'm not even sure he's an nba player let alone a starting point guard. There has to be a free agent, G league or a guy at the local gym better than him. It's not even like hes a stout defender that sucks on offense. He's bad at pretty much everything. Just last night Bruce Brown and Chiozza looked significantly better than him. Its beyond time to move on.

RJ is simply killing them. His defenders completely clog the lane when he doesn't have the ball and go under every screen and play off him when he doesn't. I'd bring him off the bench and implore him to drive and hit that mid range until he gets his confidence back.

But long term how do you build around a guy like him? What does he excel at? I just hope there's a team out there that sees some potential in him and that can pull a trade.

Lastly its truly amazing how long the Knicks have been awful at the point guard position. Meanwhile Haliburton is playing great. Did anyone ever hear why the Knicks showed zero interest in drafting him?

It's hard to accept just how shitty their guard play has been year after year... There are a number of backups in this league who would easily start for the Knicks. Not a good look for Leon Rose...

Pretty much spot on. How much better would this team be if they had taken Haliburton instead of Obi and bit the bullet and signed Heyward instead of Charlotte. That's a gamble that paid off big time for them. I know we all scoffed at the 30 mill, but he seems all the way back and for 4 years that would have been worth it. He and Haliburton would have meshed with the way Randle is playing right now like a glove.
RE: RJ is killing them?  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2021 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15122260 Heisenberg said:
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He played well last night. I wouldn't send him to the bench. The team needs scoring and he's the best option after Randle to do that. Keep starting him and tell him to keep shooting.


If Rj played the 1st half like he did the 2nd half Knicks arnt down 16 at half..

He needs to play downhill and stop worrying about perfecting his 3 point shot..
RE: RE: RJ is killing them?  
Heisenberg : 1/14/2021 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15122301 Enzo said:
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In comment 15122260 Heisenberg said:


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He played well last night. I wouldn't send him to the bench. The team needs scoring and he's the best option after Randle to do that.


I fail to see how a guy shooting 37% from the floor is our second best option. He's actively hurting this team right now.


Who is second after Randle?
RE: RE: RE: RJ is killing them?  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2021 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15122361 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 15122260 Heisenberg said:


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He played well last night. I wouldn't send him to the bench. The team needs scoring and he's the best option after Randle to do that.


I fail to see how a guy shooting 37% from the floor is our second best option. He's actively hurting this team right now.



Who is second after Randle?


That doesnt have anything to do with it, if he is ineffecient it doesnt matter if he is the 2md scorer..

If your 2nd scorer is shooting 37% you wont win many games
RJ  
Jon in NYC : 1/14/2021 2:42 pm : link
needs to hone the midrange game. He can live there and be a really successful player. He was nailing those shots last night in the second half and was carrying the knicks for a stretch.
RE: RJ is killing them?  
TyreeHelmet : 1/14/2021 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15122260 Heisenberg said:
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He played well last night. I wouldn't send him to the bench. The team needs scoring and he's the best option after Randle to do that. Keep starting him and tell him to keep shooting.


Yes he is. They were times last night where Randle kicked to him and his defender didn't even bother closing on him.

When you look at his usage rate and minutes with his terrible shooting numbers- yes he is really hurting them and playing very poorly. This is on top of his bad defense. I'm not sure hows that debatable.
A lot of RJ hate. I get the frustration and he's gotta improve  
Heisenberg : 1/14/2021 3:02 pm : link
but it's a bit ridiculous. He had 20 pts on 15 shots last night. He definitely wasn't killing the team. I actually think he's a pretty steady defender - not bad at all.

He's not efficient. I do think he can get there if he gets consistent with the jumper and improves his finishes at the rim.

He's 20 and leading the league in minutes. Maybe we show a little patience here? You could send him to the bench but I fail to see how that helps. It won't help him get better and there is no better option waiting on the bench, either. The team needs points and RJ is one of the few options they have right now to get them.
RE: RE: The guys who are crushing RJ are out of their minds.  
Mike from SI : 1/14/2021 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15122131 Greg from LI said:
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He's not going to stay at 17% from 3 this year, Breen even said on the telecast his form looks better.

Does good form and a good looking shot lead to better shooting? Not always, but look at...Kevin Knox!




He was a terrible outside shooter at Duke and he's been a terrible outside shooter here. Right now, you have nothing more than form to suggest he can be even an average 3pt shooter.


That is the same argument that was hurled at me in preseason when I said Knox could be a good shooter. RJ can become competent. Will he? Idk or I'd be a scout (lol no I wouldn't they have miserable lives).
So who do the Knicks trade for by the deadline?  
nygiants16 : 1/14/2021 5:46 pm : link
John wall, Victor Oladipo, Bradley beal, Buddy Hield, Westbrook, who else?
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