week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Mahomes and his half billion have a lot of pull - I’m guessing if Reid ever retired or just stunk that Mahomes would at least be part of the convo on the next coach.
The dead money attached to QBs is something to factor in (see Eagles) - the money is getting so big that I feel like QBs may start to get off field power (unofficially).
In a top franchise QB is so important that it now has the players involved in helping to find the right coach for them. I am not saying I agree, but I certainly understand it.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
NBA having an effect on NFL? Players in that league seem to dictate which team they play for AS WELL AS the players on said team as well as coaches and possibly GMs though that title is slow disappearing or meaningless. QB's are thought to be the ONE ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY TO WIN position in the NFL so they should be dictating?
Of the belief that the head coach is the most important piece to the winning organization puzzle, not the QB. But I may now be in the minority. I also feel building the lines of scrimmage is just as important as having a franchise QB. But again, I am probably in the minority.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
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There is a power vacuum and Watson is stepping in to fill it. I doubt he feels it is his job or right, so much as he sees the organization is aimless and he is trying to influence it in the direction it needs to go.
Shame on the organization for letting it get to this point, and shame on him for not doing this behind the scenes to not embarrass him and the organization.
There may be a lot happening behind the scenes in Houston
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Because he is the franchise QB ... same as other franchise QBs .... the input is sought and weighed
People are feeling thier oats now that the Patriots struggled a bit and Brady is in tge playoffs, but that piece of the puzzle is far from being a told story. I want to see how that looks in three years and how many Super Bowls Tampa Bay has vs the Patriots and where they each are. Eli and Simms were good enough to get us great runs, nuether of them were Joe Montana or Tom Brady. So I will continue to believe its a team effort not all QB.
they shouldn't have promised him that he would be involved. That isn't on Watson. They wanted him to sign an extension and they made promises. Live with them.
Of the belief that the head coach is the most important piece to the winning organization puzzle, not the QB. But I may now be in the minority. I also feel building the lines of scrimmage is just as important as having a franchise QB. But again, I am probably in the minority.
Thing I want is for the NFL to turn into what the NBA is now, as Fatman pointed out. The NBA is 5 starters, the NFL 22, the QB will never have the power these NBA superstars have. Because it takes a lot more then a star player or two to win in the NFL.
Top QBs have had a say in picking the head coach for as long as I've watch the NFL. Aaron Rodgers didn't like McCarthy and he was fired and Rodgers had say in picking Lafluer. Baker had say in hiring of Freddie Kitchens. Do you think that Eli didn't have anything to do with his O coordinator becoming head coach after Coughlin left? Obviously some of there are good and bad hires in this group, but it's common practice to involve the QB in a search like this.
On top of all of that, the owner promised Watson he would be involved, and then watson was left completely in the dark in the GM hiring and the initial head coaching search. No matter whether you think Watson should be involved or not, everyone should understand how being lied to creates distrust and division. Any of us would be mad if we were assured we would be a part of a decision making process, and then a decision is made without even telling you what's going on.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Because he is the franchise QB ... same as other franchise QBs .... the input is sought and weighed
But is it always?? Does Matt Ryan have a say on coaching changes?? Did Eli? Did Brees give the stamp of approval in NO? What coaching changes did Brady approve of? Did Ben R stump for Tomlin? Did Rivers have a say in the multiple coaches in SD? Wentz? Dak?
Is there overwhelming evidence that the "franchise QB" is influencing hires?
You would like Watson to be a content employee but not a good dynamic for him to be stepping in here with public suggestions. Quite frankly, even private ones are not helpful since Watson isn't in the business of assessing / evaluating other team's coaches.
Jack Easterby got Texans ownership to disregard the search firm result
Any player, but particularly a face-of-the-franchise QB entering his prime, should be incensed that the Texans are getting run into the ground from BOB's gross negligence and subsequent hostile takeover by this Patriots charlatan.
ahe doesnt even call the plays, he has the best qb in the game, why is he a cant miss? i dont get it
no HC is a can’t miss, but Bienemy has the resume to get one of these jobs in a sport severely lacking Black HCs. Watson has every rite to want him over anyone else they are interviewing. All of these hot coordinators have huge talent to get on the radar.
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they shouldn't have promised him that he would be involved. That isn't on Watson. They wanted him to sign an extension and they made promises. Live with them.
100% this. Blaming Watson for being mad that ownership is going back on their promises is ridiculous.
He probably wouldn't have cared about these decisions as much if the team hadn't been completely mismanaged under O'Brien.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Watson is the most important person in that organization. I dont know why this is surprising as it is pretty standard practice everywhere else to have different stakeholders involved in the hiring process.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Watson is the most important person in that organization. I dont know why this is surprising as it is pretty standard practice everywhere else to have different stakeholders involved in the hiring process.
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Watson is the most important person in that organization. I dont know why this is surprising as it is pretty standard practice everywhere else to have different stakeholders involved in the hiring process.
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
This isn’t a stance I’m taking, more about sonething I seem to recall. Wasn’t Peyton in on one of the coaching hires?
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
That is not how it goes in almost every other industry. What are you talking about? Most people do not get to select the superiors to hire that they will be reporting to.
People are feeling thier oats now that the Patriots struggled a bit and Brady is in tge playoffs, but that piece of the puzzle is far from being a told story. I want to see how that looks in three years and how many Super Bowls Tampa Bay has vs the Patriots and where they each are. Eli and Simms were good enough to get us great runs, nuether of them were Joe Montana or Tom Brady. So I will continue to believe its a team effort not all QB.
The dynamic needs to be correct to have more than just a couple of runs. LA had a run with Goff but has otherwise been underwhelming. Philadelphia won with Foles, and now the SB winning HC and QB are gone.
Bill and Tom set the standard for that dynamic. Reid and Mahomes look like they're heading that way (and how good does Reid look now compared to his tenure in PHI?)
It's likely that franchise QBs are going to continue to trend towards being practically player-coaches and that their relationship with the HC is going to be more of a partner than commander/soldier. Especially as their guaranteed $$$ gets higher
i can see why owners would not want to hire him. if he didnt have an huge and gigantic rap sheet people would hire him like they did doug pederson and matt nagy. but this guy has a lot of off feild troubling issues even an assault case against a women.
the calling plays aspect is not an issue (although pederson and nagy called some plays in KC).
Bieniemy is also supposedly terrible in interviews.
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
That is not how it goes in almost every other industry. What are you talking about? Most people do not get to select the superiors to hire that they will be reporting to.
I didnt say "select" I said be a part of the interview committee.
And I am not talking about random employees, I am talking about the most integral long term keystones of an organization which Watson clearly is.
i love how the narrative is that owners are racist for Bieniemy
If he doesnt have good answers for his long rap sheet including assault and DUI no wonder he doesnt "interview well".
Watson pushing to hire this guy is a disaster.
Not only that but the critics aren’t even in the interviews to know if Bienemy even has a good plan to build a program. They see successful offense and immediately think that’s the only job qualification.
RE: i love how the narrative is that owners are racist for Bieniemy
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
That is not how it goes in almost every other industry. What are you talking about? Most people do not get to select the superiors to hire that they will be reporting to.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Hopkins or Andre Johnson. Weird if Hopkins were to speak about the Texans organization
RE: I have been involved in interviews for my direct superior
Nobody has said it has never happened in the history of the world. The contention was that it happens in almost every industry. That is a ridiculous statement.
Does he even call plays? I don't follow the Chiefs enough to know, but historically OC under Reid has been kind of a figurehead position, because Reid runs the offense and calls the plays.
For someone who could be my boss, I ask to be on the interview committee and I am not NEARLY as important to my employer as Watson is to his.
Does that make me a cry baby?
I'd would even say this is unusual. I'm in on a lot of interviews for my company. But it is for peers and of course for direct reports.
I've never been on the interview committee or in the process for hiring my direct superior. And that spans several companies.
Different experiences I suppose but like I said, he is unique. He is the most important employee in the organization and to me the #2 or #3 most skilled person at the most important position in the league and he has a long term contract.
To me, if you are top 5 in the world in your industry, having a say in the hiring process is not the stetch others are making it out to be.
For someone who could be my boss, I ask to be on the interview committee and I am not NEARLY as important to my employer as Watson is to his.
Does that make me a cry baby?
I'd would even say this is unusual. I'm in on a lot of interviews for my company. But it is for peers and of course for direct reports.
I've never been on the interview committee or in the process for hiring my direct superior. And that spans several companies.
Different experiences I suppose but like I said, he is unique. He is the most important employee in the organization and to me the #2 or #3 most skilled person at the most important position in the league and he has a long term contract.
To me, if you are top 5 in the world in your industry, having a say in the hiring process is not the stetch others are making it out to be.
Watson wanting Bieniemy is the perfect indication of why QBs should not be involved in the hiring process.
Watson only has to worry about the offense. He doesn't have to answer for why they hired a person with a history of violence, including towards women, and several other incidents which show incredibly poor judgment.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
NBA having an effect on NFL? Players in that league seem to dictate which team they play for AS WELL AS the players on said team as well as coaches and possibly GMs though that title is slow disappearing or meaningless. QB's are thought to be the ONE ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY TO WIN position in the NFL so they should be dictating?
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
From what I have read/gathered is the organization approached Watson told him that they wanted him to be involved, valued his opinion, didn't interview any of the candidates he approached them with (or that were recommended by a company that the organization hired to find candidates) and then hired someone else.
I think they would have been fine if they never offered something they weren't serious about
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
From what I have read/gathered is the organization approached Watson told him that they wanted him to be involved, valued his opinion, didn't interview any of the candidates he approached them with (or that were recommended by a company that the organization hired to find candidates) and then hired someone else.
I think they would have been fine if they never offered something they weren't serious about
Hasn't the only hire they made so far is Caserio? Put aside the HC issue. When has a QB had say in the GM hire?
I'm not saying the Texans have stayed true to their word with Watson - I don't know what promises have been made. But who made the promises - the new GM??
RE: Jack Easterby got Texans ownership to disregard the search firm result
Any player, but particularly a face-of-the-franchise QB entering his prime, should be incensed that the Texans are getting run into the ground from BOB's gross negligence and subsequent hostile takeover by this Patriots charlatan.
Watson's rightfully pissed off. Link - ( New Window )
This article is brutal
RE: RE: RE: RE: Whenever my employer has an opening
For someone who could be my boss, I ask to be on the interview committee and I am not NEARLY as important to my employer as Watson is to his.
Does that make me a cry baby?
I'd would even say this is unusual. I'm in on a lot of interviews for my company. But it is for peers and of course for direct reports.
I've never been on the interview committee or in the process for hiring my direct superior. And that spans several companies.
Different experiences I suppose but like I said, he is unique. He is the most important employee in the organization and to me the #2 or #3 most skilled person at the most important position in the league and he has a long term contract.
To me, if you are top 5 in the world in your industry, having a say in the hiring process is not the stetch others are making it out to be.
Watson wanting Bieniemy is the perfect indication of why QBs should not be involved in the hiring process.
Watson only has to worry about the offense. He doesn't have to answer for why they hired a person with a history of violence, including towards women, and several other incidents which show incredibly poor judgment.
I wont pretend to know if Bienemy will be a good hire and I'm certainly not going to research the incidents you referenced bc that isn't germane to my argument.
My point is that the most important employee person in an organization (and top 3 in the entire world) having a say in the hiring process is not the stretch people are making it out to be.
Jack Easterby got caught lying on his resume, has a position that he was unqualified for, and then goes and just makes his own decision against the search committee. Combine that with the BOB fiasco. That’s a totally incompetent organization.
As far as Bienemy is concerned I don’t understand the hype other than he is a minority candidate. He has Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, and the best collection of offensive talent in league outside TB. The offense should be number 1 in the league. Didn’t know about the problematic past either which just goes to show you how bullshit agenda driven even the sports media is. I have no idea how someone that follows football as much as I do wasn’t even aware of that. Not that I don’t think people deserve second chances, but some of that stuff is really concerning.
Jack Easterby got caught lying on his resume, has a position that he was unqualified for, and then goes and just makes his own decision against the search committee. Combine that with the BOB fiasco. That’s a totally incompetent organization.
As far as Bienemy is concerned I don’t understand the hype other than he is a minority candidate. He has Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, and the best collection of offensive talent in league outside TB. The offense should be number 1 in the league. Didn’t know about the problematic past either which just goes to show you how bullshit agenda driven even the sports media is. I have no idea how someone that follows football as much as I do wasn’t even aware of that. Not that I don’t think people deserve second chances, but some of that stuff is really concerning.
Yeah, I had no clue about a lot of it, true. Pretty sad the media doesn't even talk about it. I thought a lot of the reason was questions about how much a role he had in the Chiefs success and the fact teams had to wait until after the SB to talk to him.
Agreed that Watson should be seeking a trade. The team is a disaster. They traded two 1sts and a 2nd for Tunsil. But then they go and trade their top offensive skill player in Hopkins for an ok RB past his prime.
Two completely contradictory moves, and it has climaxed this year with the Texans having traded the #3 overall pick. Just a disaster.
This is what happens when inmates are allowed to start
Obviously the personnel moves made once Bill O'Brien was given GM duties were unconscionably awful. Can't even imagine how their fans feel. But with the really negative pub Easterby has been getting lately, was he also involved in pulling the levers on these moves? If so, he's gotta be shown the door.
That being said, Caserio seems to be a good hire, and obviously I don't think a QB should be involved in making these types of hiring decisions.
running the asylums ... if true, it’s total bs ... let him sit out a year.
Except the warden is running the asylum and he’s locking up people in solitary for weeks at a time and giving electroshock therapy to the patients.
It's a bad situation all around. I get why Watson is frustrated.
What’s worse is people don’t seem to realize QB is essentially middle management in an NFL organization. Except that in the NFL world they actually have to take all the blame for things going wrong instead of pawning it off on those below him. He should definitely have a voice at the table.
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
That is not how it goes in almost every other industry. What are you talking about? Most people do not get to select the superiors to hire that they will be reporting to.
Most people also aren't making exponentially more money then the superiors they will be reporting to either.
Gruden for example is going to make $100 million over ten years. Watson is going to make $156 million over 4. And it's unlikely that the next HC of the Texans is going to get a Grudenesque contract.
Comparisons to non-sports aren't going to work well just because of this fact.
Again, making this about Watson is missing the Easterby Fiasco
... Watson has a reputation for being everything you want in a franchise cornerstone. A strong, stoic, tough as nails leader and winner. He’s 25 and coming off a year where he was no. 1 in the NFL in passing yards despite losing Hopkins, and accounted for 36 TDs v 10 TOs with a 70% completion %.
Watson is not a petulant loudmouth or an inmate leading the asylum. He’s one of the most respected players in the NFL and just entering his prime ... and the Texans would be insane to not support him and involve him in their decision-making processes (especially when they proved to be so disastrously bad in the past).
... in every successful business and organization, the proven leaders and the stars get extra input. Watson is not Odell Beckham, trying to burnish his image and grab attention. The dude is all business, all winning, and the Texans and their incompetent front office is making a huge mistake if they don’t get this situation under control.
I didn't realize that there was any baggage attached to Bienemy
but I did assume that there must be something in the interviews that is hurting him. I heard someone on ESPN (some Dan...Orlosky or Graziano) saying that they are hearing that Bienemy might get passed over again this year. He (whoever it was) definitely thought that Houston was out (the request just a sop to placate Watson) mainly because they will want to hire a coach before the time KC plays the SB.
I think the SB rule definitely hurts Bieniemy and others.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Because he is the franchise QB ... same as other franchise QBs .... the input is sought and weighed
But is it always?? Does Matt Ryan have a say on coaching changes?? Did Eli? Did Brees give the stamp of approval in NO? What coaching changes did Brady approve of? Did Ben R stump for Tomlin? Did Rivers have a say in the multiple coaches in SD? Wentz? Dak?
Is there overwhelming evidence that the "franchise QB" is influencing hires?
It has been discussed in the past that established franchise QBs have input on HC, OC and schemes & gameplans ... this is no different.
has no bearing on him being an OC .... because somehow it would become a showstopper if he was the HC ... cause then all his growth, remorse, self reflection, etc would all go down the drain ... SMH
has no bearing on him being an OC .... but somehow it would become a showstopper if he was the HC ... cause then all his growth, remorse, self reflection, etc would all go down the drain ... SMH
It's amazing how bad a team they are with Watson as QB. Just perplexing how much they have failed to build a team.
The Texans were 11-5 and 10-6 the last two seasons and a playoff team the last two seasons. This is their 2nd losing season in 7 years, the first being Watson's rookie year. They made the playoffs in 4 of those years, missing out with a 9-7 record pre-Watson. They beat Buffalo last season in the playoffs before losing to the eventual SB champions.
Houston hasn't exactly been the basket case you people are portraying. They had a rough year this year as they fell apart defensively.
So, don't know what is up with Watson but there were far worse situations in the NFL for a rookie qb to step into than the one he got.
It's amazing how bad a team they are with Watson as QB. Just perplexing how much they have failed to build a team.
The Texans were 11-5 and 10-6 the last two seasons and a playoff team the last two seasons. This is their 2nd losing season in 7 years, the first being Watson's rookie year. They made the playoffs in 4 of those years, missing out with a 9-7 record pre-Watson. They beat Buffalo last season in the playoffs before losing to the eventual SB champions.
Houston hasn't exactly been the basket case you people are portraying. They had a rough year this year as they fell apart defensively.
So, don't know what is up with Watson but there were far worse situations in the NFL for a rookie qb to step into than the one he got.
it's 2 things that he's not more than anything that he is:
1) he's not Daniel Jones
2) he's not a Gettleman draft pick.
those 2 things alone have half of BBI willing to trade anything and everything to get him.
As far as Bienemy is concerned I don’t understand the hype other than he is a minority candidate. He has Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, and the best collection of offensive talent in league outside TB. The offense should be number 1 in the league. Didn’t know about the problematic past either which just goes to show you how bullshit agenda driven even the sports media is. I have no idea how someone that follows football as much as I do wasn’t even aware of that. Not that I don’t think people deserve second chances, but some of that stuff is really concerning.
Reid and the team give him a ton of credit for his imagination. But it's a fair point. I think the hope is that it's the "Reid Tree" and the apple (Bienemy) doesn't fall too far from the tree...
It's amazing how bad a team they are with Watson as QB. Just perplexing how much they have failed to build a team.
The Texans were 11-5 and 10-6 the last two seasons and a playoff team the last two seasons. This is their 2nd losing season in 7 years, the first being Watson's rookie year. They made the playoffs in 4 of those years, missing out with a 9-7 record pre-Watson. They beat Buffalo last season in the playoffs before losing to the eventual SB champions.
Houston hasn't exactly been the basket case you people are portraying. They had a rough year this year as they fell apart defensively.
So, don't know what is up with Watson but there were far worse situations in the NFL for a rookie qb to step into than the one he got.
He stepped into a good situation, yes. But management has taken the team down the drain. They traded two 1sts and a 2nd for Tunsil. That is a ton. Fine. They want to support Watson, but then they take away his best weapon in Hopkins. They have a terrible season. Now they are giving up the 3rd overall pick. No picks to replenish the roster. Fuller is a FA, and is suspended. Watt is aging and always injured. Certainly not a franchise on the upswing.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Because he is the franchise QB ... same as other franchise QBs .... the input is sought and weighed
But is it always?? Does Matt Ryan have a say on coaching changes?? Did Eli? Did Brees give the stamp of approval in NO? What coaching changes did Brady approve of? Did Ben R stump for Tomlin? Did Rivers have a say in the multiple coaches in SD? Wentz? Dak?
Is there overwhelming evidence that the "franchise QB" is influencing hires?
Maybe Eli should have stepped and talked shit about McAdoo and even Shurmur. Could the last 4-5 years of Eli's career gone any worse?
Eli talked shit in 2004 and took a lot of heat. That worked out well.
If the team told him he would have a say in the GM/HC search
all together over there. Then they put his ass on hotseat and he predictably acted in self preservation mood and grabbed an elite LT for a haul. The Hopkins trade came because their relationship soured so much and it would have been disaster in lockerroom. It’s exactly why a veteran RB was thrown in, to help him that year. He could have got more for a pure rebuild play but he knew he was toast so why bother? I really don’t fault BOB for the Texans putting him in that situation with literally no checks and balances. McNair recently died and his wife took over so who knows if BOB even had to go get this shit approved.
As far as Bienemy is concerned I don’t understand the hype other than he is a minority candidate. He has Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, and the best collection of offensive talent in league outside TB. The offense should be number 1 in the league. Didn’t know about the problematic past either which just goes to show you how bullshit agenda driven even the sports media is. I have no idea how someone that follows football as much as I do wasn’t even aware of that. Not that I don’t think people deserve second chances, but some of that stuff is really concerning.
If you take that position then you would have to question all those NE Patriots assistants who got head coaching gigs including our head coach, After all that team was all Tom Brady.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Too bad the Texans traded that pick
It's amazing how bad a team they are with Watson as QB. Just perplexing how much they have failed to build a team.
The Texans were 11-5 and 10-6 the last two seasons and a playoff team the last two seasons. This is their 2nd losing season in 7 years, the first being Watson's rookie year. They made the playoffs in 4 of those years, missing out with a 9-7 record pre-Watson. They beat Buffalo last season in the playoffs before losing to the eventual SB champions.
Houston hasn't exactly been the basket case you people are portraying. They had a rough year this year as they fell apart defensively.
So, don't know what is up with Watson but there were far worse situations in the NFL for a rookie qb to step into than the one he got.
it's 2 things that he's not more than anything that he is:
1) he's not Daniel Jones
2) he's not a Gettleman draft pick.
those 2 things alone have half of BBI willing to trade anything and everything to get him.
Count me in the half that would trade everything and anything for him.
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It's amazing how bad a team they are with Watson as QB. Just perplexing how much they have failed to build a team.
The Texans were 11-5 and 10-6 the last two seasons and a playoff team the last two seasons. This is their 2nd losing season in 7 years, the first being Watson's rookie year. They made the playoffs in 4 of those years, missing out with a 9-7 record pre-Watson. They beat Buffalo last season in the playoffs before losing to the eventual SB champions.
Houston hasn't exactly been the basket case you people are portraying. They had a rough year this year as they fell apart defensively.
So, don't know what is up with Watson but there were far worse situations in the NFL for a rookie qb to step into than the one he got.
it's 2 things that he's not more than anything that he is:
1) he's not Daniel Jones
2) he's not a Gettleman draft pick.
those 2 things alone have half of BBI willing to trade anything and everything to get him.
Count me in the half that would trade everything and anything for him.
I will drive Jones to Houston on behalf of all Giants fans.
Wtf doesn't this guy understand about the NFL being a business. The guy who signs the cks gets to hire anybody he/she wants. Be they white,black or otherwise. I'm getting that's the issue with the coach choice.
... Watson has a reputation for being everything you want in a franchise cornerstone. A strong, stoic, tough as nails leader and winner. He’s 25 and coming off a year where he was no. 1 in the NFL in passing yards despite losing Hopkins, and accounted for 36 TDs v 10 TOs with a 70% completion %.
Watson is not a petulant loudmouth or an inmate leading the asylum. He’s one of the most respected players in the NFL and just entering his prime ... and the Texans would be insane to not support him and involve him in their decision-making processes (especially when they proved to be so disastrously bad in the past).
The guy is fantastic, and there's no evidence of him being a prima donna. Unfortunately we do not have anything like the draft capital needed to make a trade for him. Maybe only the Dolphins and perhaps the Jets do have. Everyone else would have to mortagage the future of their franchise to get him.
Ok, DW is a great guy and the cornerstone of the team ...
but things in Houston didn’t suddenly turn this year ... In September, he signed a 4 year extension and took $30M of the owners money for the season ... now he wants out ? Maybe he’s not a prima like OBJ but a contract is a contract and this one is for a lot of frkn money. If he wanted out, he should not have signed the extension. I have zero sympathy for his position.
Wtf doesn't this guy understand about the NFL being a business. The guy who signs the cks gets to hire anybody he/she wants. Be they white,black or otherwise. I'm getting that's the issue with the coach choice.
He was told by ownership he would be part of the process. He now isn’t (apparently). That’s a problem. That tells me my employer is lying to me or no longer cares about me, either way it’s not just something you shrug off, especially since Watson is their #1 asset.
Watson isn’t James Harden or Kyrie Irving, he’s not making demands and throwing tantrums and not showing up to work. By all accounts he’s everything you can possibly want in a player. Houston ownership is a disaster.
RE: Ok, DW is a great guy and the cornerstone of the team ...
but things in Houston didn’t suddenly turn this year ... In September, he signed a 4 year extension and took $30M of the owners money for the season ... now he wants out ? Maybe he’s not a prima like OBJ but a contract is a contract and this one is for a lot of frkn money. If he wanted out, he should not have signed the extension. I have zero sympathy for his position.
Watson is being paid from the pool of money that the owners and NFLPA agreed is the players money from the revenue the league generates.
As far as Bienemy is concerned I don’t understand the hype other than he is a minority candidate. He has Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, and the best collection of offensive talent in league outside TB. The offense should be number 1 in the league. Didn’t know about the problematic past either which just goes to show you how bullshit agenda driven even the sports media is. I have no idea how someone that follows football as much as I do wasn’t even aware of that. Not that I don’t think people deserve second chances, but some of that stuff is really concerning.
If you take that position then you would have to question all those NE Patriots assistants who got head coaching gigs including our head coach, After all that team was all Tom Brady.
Who the hell thinks the Pats were all Tom Brady? Guy is middle of the road QB the last few years. Judge coached special teams and WRs, not sure how Bienamy coaching an offense that is stacked under Andy Reid is indicative of him being a great head coaching candidate.
in a league that is overwhelmingly black. Management is overwhelmingly whitand you idiots still talk about "the race card", and the media "agenda" if they dare question this discrepancy
Maybe look at your own fucking "agenda" and ask yourself why you dont see a problem.
Prior to obtaining a Head Coaching job?? Without question.
I'm in the group that thinks Payton should have been forced to resign, especially since he did things both on and off the field that were a disgrace. And he committed infractions against the game to go along with his Vicadin use and his other personal problems.
But it should be noted - he did get punished. And he hasn't coached another team since it happened, so the discussion really isn't germane.
From what I read it seems last of his problems with the law
or harassing someone happened in 1993.. almost 30 years ago.. he was in college.. there were multiple articles last year about him as well so this idea that he is getting a pass is bull shit.. He also was punished for his mistakes in 1993-94 itself.. if you hear the female he harassed you will realize that its less than the harassment charges against Peyton Manning himself during college.. He was accused of grabbing the attendant by the neck from behind.. it wasn't sexual at all. The victim told police the contact was not painful, but it startled her.
The dead money attached to QBs is something to factor in (see Eagles) - the money is getting so big that I feel like QBs may start to get off field power (unofficially).
NBA having an effect on NFL? Players in that league seem to dictate which team they play for AS WELL AS the players on said team as well as coaches and possibly GMs though that title is slow disappearing or meaningless. QB's are thought to be the ONE ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY TO WIN position in the NFL so they should be dictating?
There is a power vacuum and Watson is stepping in to fill it. I doubt he feels it is his job or right, so much as he sees the organization is aimless and he is trying to influence it in the direction it needs to go.
Shame on the organization for letting it get to this point, and shame on him for not doing this behind the scenes to not embarrass him and the organization.
Family-run organization. The son hired Bill O'Brien. Massive failure. Perhaps the players are seeing a poorly run organization that wastes careers.
Nice to see that Watson gives a damn and isn't just a yes man.
Because he is the franchise QB ... same as other franchise QBs .... the input is sought and weighed
LOL
I agree
On top of all of that, the owner promised Watson he would be involved, and then watson was left completely in the dark in the GM hiring and the initial head coaching search. No matter whether you think Watson should be involved or not, everyone should understand how being lied to creates distrust and division. Any of us would be mad if we were assured we would be a part of a decision making process, and then a decision is made without even telling you what's going on.
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Because he is the franchise QB ... same as other franchise QBs .... the input is sought and weighed
But is it always?? Does Matt Ryan have a say on coaching changes?? Did Eli? Did Brees give the stamp of approval in NO? What coaching changes did Brady approve of? Did Ben R stump for Tomlin? Did Rivers have a say in the multiple coaches in SD? Wentz? Dak?
Is there overwhelming evidence that the "franchise QB" is influencing hires?
You would like Watson to be a content employee but not a good dynamic for him to be stepping in here with public suggestions. Quite frankly, even private ones are not helpful since Watson isn't in the business of assessing / evaluating other team's coaches.
Any player, but particularly a face-of-the-franchise QB entering his prime, should be incensed that the Texans are getting run into the ground from BOB's gross negligence and subsequent hostile takeover by this Patriots charlatan.
Watson's rightfully pissed off.
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no HC is a can’t miss, but Bienemy has the resume to get one of these jobs in a sport severely lacking Black HCs. Watson has every rite to want him over anyone else they are interviewing. All of these hot coordinators have huge talent to get on the radar.
Today's athletes gossiping "Did you know you can get your own coach?".
In this sport,where it helps to have a quarterback who can lead and make good decisions,we'll see how long this toxic mentality lasts.
100% this. Blaming Watson for being mad that ownership is going back on their promises is ridiculous.
He probably wouldn't have cared about these decisions as much if the team hadn't been completely mismanaged under O'Brien.
Watson is the most important person in that organization. I dont know why this is surprising as it is pretty standard practice everywhere else to have different stakeholders involved in the hiring process.
Have you read up on the situation? Watson is hardly being a baby.
Does that make me a cry baby?
The problem is that NFL teams are worth more, more expensive to run, have more players, etc.
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week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Watson is the most important person in that organization. I dont know why this is surprising as it is pretty standard practice everywhere else to have different stakeholders involved in the hiring process.
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
Have you read up on the situation? Watson is hardly being a baby.
The guy is a dupe. Not worth your time
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I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
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week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Watson is the most important person in that organization. I dont know why this is surprising as it is pretty standard practice everywhere else to have different stakeholders involved in the hiring process.
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
This isn’t a stance I’m taking, more about sonething I seem to recall. Wasn’t Peyton in on one of the coaching hires?
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I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
That is not how it goes in almost every other industry. What are you talking about? Most people do not get to select the superiors to hire that they will be reporting to.
The dynamic needs to be correct to have more than just a couple of runs. LA had a run with Goff but has otherwise been underwhelming. Philadelphia won with Foles, and now the SB winning HC and QB are gone.
Bill and Tom set the standard for that dynamic. Reid and Mahomes look like they're heading that way (and how good does Reid look now compared to his tenure in PHI?)
It's likely that franchise QBs are going to continue to trend towards being practically player-coaches and that their relationship with the HC is going to be more of a partner than commander/soldier. Especially as their guaranteed $$$ gets higher
i can see why owners would not want to hire him. if he didnt have an huge and gigantic rap sheet people would hire him like they did doug pederson and matt nagy. but this guy has a lot of off feild troubling issues even an assault case against a women.
the calling plays aspect is not an issue (although pederson and nagy called some plays in KC).
Joe Judge all he needed was 1 interview and was a massive success and got hired.
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I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
That is not how it goes in almost every other industry. What are you talking about? Most people do not get to select the superiors to hire that they will be reporting to.
I didnt say "select" I said be a part of the interview committee.
And I am not talking about random employees, I am talking about the most integral long term keystones of an organization which Watson clearly is.
If he doesnt have good answers for his long rap sheet including assault and DUI no wonder he doesnt "interview well".
Watson pushing to hire this guy is a disaster.
If he doesnt have good answers for his long rap sheet including assault and DUI no wonder he doesnt "interview well".
Watson pushing to hire this guy is a disaster.
Not only that but the critics aren’t even in the interviews to know if Bienemy even has a good plan to build a program. They see successful offense and immediately think that’s the only job qualification.
If he doesnt have good answers for his long rap sheet including assault and DUI no wonder he doesnt "interview well".
Watson pushing to hire this guy is a disaster.
Jesus, looking him up he has a bunch of incidents. Yeah, I think it is pretty clear why teams are staying clear of him in today's climate.
Does that make me a cry baby?
I'd would even say this is unusual. I'm in on a lot of interviews for my company. But it is for peers and of course for direct reports.
I've never been on the interview committee or in the process for hiring my direct superior. And that spans several companies.
There's some significant issues.
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I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
That is not how it goes in almost every other industry. What are you talking about? Most people do not get to select the superiors to hire that they will be reporting to.
Exactly
Hopkins or Andre Johnson. Weird if Hopkins were to speak about the Texans organization
Nobody has said it has never happened in the history of the world. The contention was that it happens in almost every industry. That is a ridiculous statement.
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For someone who could be my boss, I ask to be on the interview committee and I am not NEARLY as important to my employer as Watson is to his.
Does that make me a cry baby?
I'd would even say this is unusual. I'm in on a lot of interviews for my company. But it is for peers and of course for direct reports.
I've never been on the interview committee or in the process for hiring my direct superior. And that spans several companies.
Different experiences I suppose but like I said, he is unique. He is the most important employee in the organization and to me the #2 or #3 most skilled person at the most important position in the league and he has a long term contract.
To me, if you are top 5 in the world in your industry, having a say in the hiring process is not the stetch others are making it out to be.
My current company hires my direct superior through the BoD. My last company hired my direct superior in Germany.
There's some significant issues.
because the media is playing the race card.
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For someone who could be my boss, I ask to be on the interview committee and I am not NEARLY as important to my employer as Watson is to his.
Does that make me a cry baby?
I'd would even say this is unusual. I'm in on a lot of interviews for my company. But it is for peers and of course for direct reports.
I've never been on the interview committee or in the process for hiring my direct superior. And that spans several companies.
Different experiences I suppose but like I said, he is unique. He is the most important employee in the organization and to me the #2 or #3 most skilled person at the most important position in the league and he has a long term contract.
To me, if you are top 5 in the world in your industry, having a say in the hiring process is not the stetch others are making it out to be.
Watson wanting Bieniemy is the perfect indication of why QBs should not be involved in the hiring process.
Watson only has to worry about the offense. He doesn't have to answer for why they hired a person with a history of violence, including towards women, and several other incidents which show incredibly poor judgment.
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week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
NBA having an effect on NFL? Players in that league seem to dictate which team they play for AS WELL AS the players on said team as well as coaches and possibly GMs though that title is slow disappearing or meaningless. QB's are thought to be the ONE ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY TO WIN position in the NFL so they should be dictating?
This is an interesting point to consider.
From what I have read/gathered is the organization approached Watson told him that they wanted him to be involved, valued his opinion, didn't interview any of the candidates he approached them with (or that were recommended by a company that the organization hired to find candidates) and then hired someone else.
I think they would have been fine if they never offered something they weren't serious about
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week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
From what I have read/gathered is the organization approached Watson told him that they wanted him to be involved, valued his opinion, didn't interview any of the candidates he approached them with (or that were recommended by a company that the organization hired to find candidates) and then hired someone else.
I think they would have been fine if they never offered something they weren't serious about
Hasn't the only hire they made so far is Caserio? Put aside the HC issue. When has a QB had say in the GM hire?
I'm not saying the Texans have stayed true to their word with Watson - I don't know what promises have been made. But who made the promises - the new GM??
Any player, but particularly a face-of-the-franchise QB entering his prime, should be incensed that the Texans are getting run into the ground from BOB's gross negligence and subsequent hostile takeover by this Patriots charlatan.
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For someone who could be my boss, I ask to be on the interview committee and I am not NEARLY as important to my employer as Watson is to his.
Does that make me a cry baby?
I'd would even say this is unusual. I'm in on a lot of interviews for my company. But it is for peers and of course for direct reports.
I've never been on the interview committee or in the process for hiring my direct superior. And that spans several companies.
Different experiences I suppose but like I said, he is unique. He is the most important employee in the organization and to me the #2 or #3 most skilled person at the most important position in the league and he has a long term contract.
To me, if you are top 5 in the world in your industry, having a say in the hiring process is not the stetch others are making it out to be.
Watson wanting Bieniemy is the perfect indication of why QBs should not be involved in the hiring process.
Watson only has to worry about the offense. He doesn't have to answer for why they hired a person with a history of violence, including towards women, and several other incidents which show incredibly poor judgment.
I wont pretend to know if Bienemy will be a good hire and I'm certainly not going to research the incidents you referenced bc that isn't germane to my argument.
My point is that the most important employee person in an organization (and top 3 in the entire world) having a say in the hiring process is not the stretch people are making it out to be.
As far as Bienemy is concerned I don’t understand the hype other than he is a minority candidate. He has Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, and the best collection of offensive talent in league outside TB. The offense should be number 1 in the league. Didn’t know about the problematic past either which just goes to show you how bullshit agenda driven even the sports media is. I have no idea how someone that follows football as much as I do wasn’t even aware of that. Not that I don’t think people deserve second chances, but some of that stuff is really concerning.
As far as Bienemy is concerned I don’t understand the hype other than he is a minority candidate. He has Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, and the best collection of offensive talent in league outside TB. The offense should be number 1 in the league. Didn’t know about the problematic past either which just goes to show you how bullshit agenda driven even the sports media is. I have no idea how someone that follows football as much as I do wasn’t even aware of that. Not that I don’t think people deserve second chances, but some of that stuff is really concerning.
Yeah, I had no clue about a lot of it, true. Pretty sad the media doesn't even talk about it. I thought a lot of the reason was questions about how much a role he had in the Chiefs success and the fact teams had to wait until after the SB to talk to him.
Agreed that Watson should be seeking a trade. The team is a disaster. They traded two 1sts and a 2nd for Tunsil. But then they go and trade their top offensive skill player in Hopkins for an ok RB past his prime.
Two completely contradictory moves, and it has climaxed this year with the Texans having traded the #3 overall pick. Just a disaster.
Except the warden is running the asylum and he’s locking up people in solitary for weeks at a time and giving electroshock therapy to the patients.
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running the asylums ... if true, it’s total bs ... let him sit out a year.
Except the warden is running the asylum and he’s locking up people in solitary for weeks at a time and giving electroshock therapy to the patients.
It's a bad situation all around. I get why Watson is frustrated.
That being said, Caserio seems to be a good hire, and obviously I don't think a QB should be involved in making these types of hiring decisions.
Have you seen Watson's stats?...
I would love to have this guy on the Giants.
He is not a child and he is certainly not an inmate. This is such a PoS thing to say.
He is a grown man who, imo, has perennial league mvp candidate potential and is unquestionably the most important part of the entire organization.
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running the asylums ... if true, it’s total bs ... let him sit out a year.
Except the warden is running the asylum and he’s locking up people in solitary for weeks at a time and giving electroshock therapy to the patients.
It's a bad situation all around. I get why Watson is frustrated.
What’s worse is people don’t seem to realize QB is essentially middle management in an NFL organization. Except that in the NFL world they actually have to take all the blame for things going wrong instead of pawning it off on those below him. He should definitely have a voice at the table.
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I would just grab another quarterback
Have you seen Watson's stats?...
I would love to have this guy on the Giants.
It's amazing how bad a team they are with Watson as QB. Just perplexing how much they have failed to build a team.
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I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
That is not how it goes in almost every other industry. What are you talking about? Most people do not get to select the superiors to hire that they will be reporting to.
Most people also aren't making exponentially more money then the superiors they will be reporting to either.
Gruden for example is going to make $100 million over ten years. Watson is going to make $156 million over 4. And it's unlikely that the next HC of the Texans is going to get a Grudenesque contract.
Comparisons to non-sports aren't going to work well just because of this fact.
Easterby's a football fraud that effectively controls the entire Texans operation right now.
Watson is not a petulant loudmouth or an inmate leading the asylum. He’s one of the most respected players in the NFL and just entering his prime ... and the Texans would be insane to not support him and involve him in their decision-making processes (especially when they proved to be so disastrously bad in the past).
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week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Because he is the franchise QB ... same as other franchise QBs .... the input is sought and weighed
But is it always?? Does Matt Ryan have a say on coaching changes?? Did Eli? Did Brees give the stamp of approval in NO? What coaching changes did Brady approve of? Did Ben R stump for Tomlin? Did Rivers have a say in the multiple coaches in SD? Wentz? Dak?
Is there overwhelming evidence that the "franchise QB" is influencing hires?
It has been discussed in the past that established franchise QBs have input on HC, OC and schemes & gameplans ... this is no different.
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I would just grab another quarterback
Have you seen Watson's stats?...
I would love to have this guy on the Giants.
It's amazing how bad a team they are with Watson as QB. Just perplexing how much they have failed to build a team.
Houston hasn't exactly been the basket case you people are portraying. They had a rough year this year as they fell apart defensively.
So, don't know what is up with Watson but there were far worse situations in the NFL for a rookie qb to step into than the one he got.
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I would just grab another quarterback
Have you seen Watson's stats?...
I would love to have this guy on the Giants.
It's amazing how bad a team they are with Watson as QB. Just perplexing how much they have failed to build a team.
The Texans were 11-5 and 10-6 the last two seasons and a playoff team the last two seasons. This is their 2nd losing season in 7 years, the first being Watson's rookie year. They made the playoffs in 4 of those years, missing out with a 9-7 record pre-Watson. They beat Buffalo last season in the playoffs before losing to the eventual SB champions.
Houston hasn't exactly been the basket case you people are portraying. They had a rough year this year as they fell apart defensively.
So, don't know what is up with Watson but there were far worse situations in the NFL for a rookie qb to step into than the one he got.
it's 2 things that he's not more than anything that he is:
1) he's not Daniel Jones
2) he's not a Gettleman draft pick.
those 2 things alone have half of BBI willing to trade anything and everything to get him.
As far as Bienemy is concerned I don’t understand the hype other than he is a minority candidate. He has Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, and the best collection of offensive talent in league outside TB. The offense should be number 1 in the league. Didn’t know about the problematic past either which just goes to show you how bullshit agenda driven even the sports media is. I have no idea how someone that follows football as much as I do wasn’t even aware of that. Not that I don’t think people deserve second chances, but some of that stuff is really concerning.
Reid and the team give him a ton of credit for his imagination. But it's a fair point. I think the hope is that it's the "Reid Tree" and the apple (Bienemy) doesn't fall too far from the tree...
Joe Montana says hello. So does Magic Johnson.
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I would just grab another quarterback
Have you seen Watson's stats?...
I would love to have this guy on the Giants.
It's amazing how bad a team they are with Watson as QB. Just perplexing how much they have failed to build a team.
The Texans were 11-5 and 10-6 the last two seasons and a playoff team the last two seasons. This is their 2nd losing season in 7 years, the first being Watson's rookie year. They made the playoffs in 4 of those years, missing out with a 9-7 record pre-Watson. They beat Buffalo last season in the playoffs before losing to the eventual SB champions.
Houston hasn't exactly been the basket case you people are portraying. They had a rough year this year as they fell apart defensively.
So, don't know what is up with Watson but there were far worse situations in the NFL for a rookie qb to step into than the one he got.
He stepped into a good situation, yes. But management has taken the team down the drain. They traded two 1sts and a 2nd for Tunsil. That is a ton. Fine. They want to support Watson, but then they take away his best weapon in Hopkins. They have a terrible season. Now they are giving up the 3rd overall pick. No picks to replenish the roster. Fuller is a FA, and is suspended. Watt is aging and always injured. Certainly not a franchise on the upswing.
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week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Because he is the franchise QB ... same as other franchise QBs .... the input is sought and weighed
But is it always?? Does Matt Ryan have a say on coaching changes?? Did Eli? Did Brees give the stamp of approval in NO? What coaching changes did Brady approve of? Did Ben R stump for Tomlin? Did Rivers have a say in the multiple coaches in SD? Wentz? Dak?
Is there overwhelming evidence that the "franchise QB" is influencing hires?
Maybe Eli should have stepped and talked shit about McAdoo and even Shurmur. Could the last 4-5 years of Eli's career gone any worse?
Eli talked shit in 2004 and took a lot of heat. That worked out well.
As far as Bienemy is concerned I don’t understand the hype other than he is a minority candidate. He has Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, and the best collection of offensive talent in league outside TB. The offense should be number 1 in the league. Didn’t know about the problematic past either which just goes to show you how bullshit agenda driven even the sports media is. I have no idea how someone that follows football as much as I do wasn’t even aware of that. Not that I don’t think people deserve second chances, but some of that stuff is really concerning.
If you take that position then you would have to question all those NE Patriots assistants who got head coaching gigs including our head coach, After all that team was all Tom Brady.
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I would just grab another quarterback
Have you seen Watson's stats?...
I would love to have this guy on the Giants.
It's amazing how bad a team they are with Watson as QB. Just perplexing how much they have failed to build a team.
The Texans were 11-5 and 10-6 the last two seasons and a playoff team the last two seasons. This is their 2nd losing season in 7 years, the first being Watson's rookie year. They made the playoffs in 4 of those years, missing out with a 9-7 record pre-Watson. They beat Buffalo last season in the playoffs before losing to the eventual SB champions.
Houston hasn't exactly been the basket case you people are portraying. They had a rough year this year as they fell apart defensively.
So, don't know what is up with Watson but there were far worse situations in the NFL for a rookie qb to step into than the one he got.
it's 2 things that he's not more than anything that he is:
1) he's not Daniel Jones
2) he's not a Gettleman draft pick.
those 2 things alone have half of BBI willing to trade anything and everything to get him.
Count me in the half that would trade everything and anything for him.
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I would just grab another quarterback
Have you seen Watson's stats?...
I would love to have this guy on the Giants.
It's amazing how bad a team they are with Watson as QB. Just perplexing how much they have failed to build a team.
The Texans were 11-5 and 10-6 the last two seasons and a playoff team the last two seasons. This is their 2nd losing season in 7 years, the first being Watson's rookie year. They made the playoffs in 4 of those years, missing out with a 9-7 record pre-Watson. They beat Buffalo last season in the playoffs before losing to the eventual SB champions.
Houston hasn't exactly been the basket case you people are portraying. They had a rough year this year as they fell apart defensively.
So, don't know what is up with Watson but there were far worse situations in the NFL for a rookie qb to step into than the one he got.
it's 2 things that he's not more than anything that he is:
1) he's not Daniel Jones
2) he's not a Gettleman draft pick.
those 2 things alone have half of BBI willing to trade anything and everything to get him.
Count me in the half that would trade everything and anything for him.
I will drive Jones to Houston on behalf of all Giants fans.
Watson is not a petulant loudmouth or an inmate leading the asylum. He’s one of the most respected players in the NFL and just entering his prime ... and the Texans would be insane to not support him and involve him in their decision-making processes (especially when they proved to be so disastrously bad in the past).
The guy is fantastic, and there's no evidence of him being a prima donna. Unfortunately we do not have anything like the draft capital needed to make a trade for him. Maybe only the Dolphins and perhaps the Jets do have. Everyone else would have to mortagage the future of their franchise to get him.
He was told by ownership he would be part of the process. He now isn’t (apparently). That’s a problem. That tells me my employer is lying to me or no longer cares about me, either way it’s not just something you shrug off, especially since Watson is their #1 asset.
Watson isn’t James Harden or Kyrie Irving, he’s not making demands and throwing tantrums and not showing up to work. By all accounts he’s everything you can possibly want in a player. Houston ownership is a disaster.
Watson is being paid from the pool of money that the owners and NFLPA agreed is the players money from the revenue the league generates.
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As far as Bienemy is concerned I don’t understand the hype other than he is a minority candidate. He has Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, and the best collection of offensive talent in league outside TB. The offense should be number 1 in the league. Didn’t know about the problematic past either which just goes to show you how bullshit agenda driven even the sports media is. I have no idea how someone that follows football as much as I do wasn’t even aware of that. Not that I don’t think people deserve second chances, but some of that stuff is really concerning.
If you take that position then you would have to question all those NE Patriots assistants who got head coaching gigs including our head coach, After all that team was all Tom Brady.
Who the hell thinks the Pats were all Tom Brady? Guy is middle of the road QB the last few years. Judge coached special teams and WRs, not sure how Bienamy coaching an offense that is stacked under Andy Reid is indicative of him being a great head coaching candidate.
Maybe look at your own fucking "agenda" and ask yourself why you dont see a problem.
Prior to obtaining a Head Coaching job?? Without question.
I'm in the group that thinks Payton should have been forced to resign, especially since he did things both on and off the field that were a disgrace. And he committed infractions against the game to go along with his Vicadin use and his other personal problems.
But it should be noted - he did get punished. And he hasn't coached another team since it happened, so the discussion really isn't germane.
Am I missing something? how does that look bad?