week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Mahomes and his half billion have a lot of pull - I’m guessing if Reid ever retired or just stunk that Mahomes would at least be part of the convo on the next coach.
The dead money attached to QBs is something to factor in (see Eagles) - the money is getting so big that I feel like QBs may start to get off field power (unofficially).
In a top franchise QB is so important that it now has the players involved in helping to find the right coach for them. I am not saying I agree, but I certainly understand it.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
NBA having an effect on NFL? Players in that league seem to dictate which team they play for AS WELL AS the players on said team as well as coaches and possibly GMs though that title is slow disappearing or meaningless. QB's are thought to be the ONE ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY TO WIN position in the NFL so they should be dictating?
Of the belief that the head coach is the most important piece to the winning organization puzzle, not the QB. But I may now be in the minority. I also feel building the lines of scrimmage is just as important as having a franchise QB. But again, I am probably in the minority.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
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There is a power vacuum and Watson is stepping in to fill it. I doubt he feels it is his job or right, so much as he sees the organization is aimless and he is trying to influence it in the direction it needs to go.
Shame on the organization for letting it get to this point, and shame on him for not doing this behind the scenes to not embarrass him and the organization.
There may be a lot happening behind the scenes in Houston
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Because he is the franchise QB ... same as other franchise QBs .... the input is sought and weighed
People are feeling thier oats now that the Patriots struggled a bit and Brady is in tge playoffs, but that piece of the puzzle is far from being a told story. I want to see how that looks in three years and how many Super Bowls Tampa Bay has vs the Patriots and where they each are. Eli and Simms were good enough to get us great runs, nuether of them were Joe Montana or Tom Brady. So I will continue to believe its a team effort not all QB.
they shouldn't have promised him that he would be involved. That isn't on Watson. They wanted him to sign an extension and they made promises. Live with them.
Of the belief that the head coach is the most important piece to the winning organization puzzle, not the QB. But I may now be in the minority. I also feel building the lines of scrimmage is just as important as having a franchise QB. But again, I am probably in the minority.
Thing I want is for the NFL to turn into what the NBA is now, as Fatman pointed out. The NBA is 5 starters, the NFL 22, the QB will never have the power these NBA superstars have. Because it takes a lot more then a star player or two to win in the NFL.
Top QBs have had a say in picking the head coach for as long as I've watch the NFL. Aaron Rodgers didn't like McCarthy and he was fired and Rodgers had say in picking Lafluer. Baker had say in hiring of Freddie Kitchens. Do you think that Eli didn't have anything to do with his O coordinator becoming head coach after Coughlin left? Obviously some of there are good and bad hires in this group, but it's common practice to involve the QB in a search like this.
On top of all of that, the owner promised Watson he would be involved, and then watson was left completely in the dark in the GM hiring and the initial head coaching search. No matter whether you think Watson should be involved or not, everyone should understand how being lied to creates distrust and division. Any of us would be mad if we were assured we would be a part of a decision making process, and then a decision is made without even telling you what's going on.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Because he is the franchise QB ... same as other franchise QBs .... the input is sought and weighed
But is it always?? Does Matt Ryan have a say on coaching changes?? Did Eli? Did Brees give the stamp of approval in NO? What coaching changes did Brady approve of? Did Ben R stump for Tomlin? Did Rivers have a say in the multiple coaches in SD? Wentz? Dak?
Is there overwhelming evidence that the "franchise QB" is influencing hires?
You would like Watson to be a content employee but not a good dynamic for him to be stepping in here with public suggestions. Quite frankly, even private ones are not helpful since Watson isn't in the business of assessing / evaluating other team's coaches.
Jack Easterby got Texans ownership to disregard the search firm result
Any player, but particularly a face-of-the-franchise QB entering his prime, should be incensed that the Texans are getting run into the ground from BOB's gross negligence and subsequent hostile takeover by this Patriots charlatan.
ahe doesnt even call the plays, he has the best qb in the game, why is he a cant miss? i dont get it
no HC is a can’t miss, but Bienemy has the resume to get one of these jobs in a sport severely lacking Black HCs. Watson has every rite to want him over anyone else they are interviewing. All of these hot coordinators have huge talent to get on the radar.
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they shouldn't have promised him that he would be involved. That isn't on Watson. They wanted him to sign an extension and they made promises. Live with them.
100% this. Blaming Watson for being mad that ownership is going back on their promises is ridiculous.
He probably wouldn't have cared about these decisions as much if the team hadn't been completely mismanaged under O'Brien.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Watson is the most important person in that organization. I dont know why this is surprising as it is pretty standard practice everywhere else to have different stakeholders involved in the hiring process.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Watson is the most important person in that organization. I dont know why this is surprising as it is pretty standard practice everywhere else to have different stakeholders involved in the hiring process.
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Watson is the most important person in that organization. I dont know why this is surprising as it is pretty standard practice everywhere else to have different stakeholders involved in the hiring process.
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
This isn’t a stance I’m taking, more about sonething I seem to recall. Wasn’t Peyton in on one of the coaching hires?
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
That is not how it goes in almost every other industry. What are you talking about? Most people do not get to select the superiors to hire that they will be reporting to.
People are feeling thier oats now that the Patriots struggled a bit and Brady is in tge playoffs, but that piece of the puzzle is far from being a told story. I want to see how that looks in three years and how many Super Bowls Tampa Bay has vs the Patriots and where they each are. Eli and Simms were good enough to get us great runs, nuether of them were Joe Montana or Tom Brady. So I will continue to believe its a team effort not all QB.
The dynamic needs to be correct to have more than just a couple of runs. LA had a run with Goff but has otherwise been underwhelming. Philadelphia won with Foles, and now the SB winning HC and QB are gone.
Bill and Tom set the standard for that dynamic. Reid and Mahomes look like they're heading that way (and how good does Reid look now compared to his tenure in PHI?)
It's likely that franchise QBs are going to continue to trend towards being practically player-coaches and that their relationship with the HC is going to be more of a partner than commander/soldier. Especially as their guaranteed $$$ gets higher
i can see why owners would not want to hire him. if he didnt have an huge and gigantic rap sheet people would hire him like they did doug pederson and matt nagy. but this guy has a lot of off feild troubling issues even an assault case against a women.
the calling plays aspect is not an issue (although pederson and nagy called some plays in KC).
Bieniemy is also supposedly terrible in interviews.
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
That is not how it goes in almost every other industry. What are you talking about? Most people do not get to select the superiors to hire that they will be reporting to.
I didnt say "select" I said be a part of the interview committee.
And I am not talking about random employees, I am talking about the most integral long term keystones of an organization which Watson clearly is.
i love how the narrative is that owners are racist for Bieniemy
If he doesnt have good answers for his long rap sheet including assault and DUI no wonder he doesnt "interview well".
Watson pushing to hire this guy is a disaster.
Not only that but the critics aren’t even in the interviews to know if Bienemy even has a good plan to build a program. They see successful offense and immediately think that’s the only job qualification.
RE: i love how the narrative is that owners are racist for Bieniemy
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
That is not how it goes in almost every other industry. What are you talking about? Most people do not get to select the superiors to hire that they will be reporting to.
The dead money attached to QBs is something to factor in (see Eagles) - the money is getting so big that I feel like QBs may start to get off field power (unofficially).
NBA having an effect on NFL? Players in that league seem to dictate which team they play for AS WELL AS the players on said team as well as coaches and possibly GMs though that title is slow disappearing or meaningless. QB's are thought to be the ONE ABSOLUTELY NECCESSARY TO WIN position in the NFL so they should be dictating?
There is a power vacuum and Watson is stepping in to fill it. I doubt he feels it is his job or right, so much as he sees the organization is aimless and he is trying to influence it in the direction it needs to go.
Shame on the organization for letting it get to this point, and shame on him for not doing this behind the scenes to not embarrass him and the organization.
Family-run organization. The son hired Bill O'Brien. Massive failure. Perhaps the players are seeing a poorly run organization that wastes careers.
Nice to see that Watson gives a damn and isn't just a yes man.
Because he is the franchise QB ... same as other franchise QBs .... the input is sought and weighed
LOL
I agree
On top of all of that, the owner promised Watson he would be involved, and then watson was left completely in the dark in the GM hiring and the initial head coaching search. No matter whether you think Watson should be involved or not, everyone should understand how being lied to creates distrust and division. Any of us would be mad if we were assured we would be a part of a decision making process, and then a decision is made without even telling you what's going on.
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week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Because he is the franchise QB ... same as other franchise QBs .... the input is sought and weighed
But is it always?? Does Matt Ryan have a say on coaching changes?? Did Eli? Did Brees give the stamp of approval in NO? What coaching changes did Brady approve of? Did Ben R stump for Tomlin? Did Rivers have a say in the multiple coaches in SD? Wentz? Dak?
Is there overwhelming evidence that the "franchise QB" is influencing hires?
You would like Watson to be a content employee but not a good dynamic for him to be stepping in here with public suggestions. Quite frankly, even private ones are not helpful since Watson isn't in the business of assessing / evaluating other team's coaches.
Any player, but particularly a face-of-the-franchise QB entering his prime, should be incensed that the Texans are getting run into the ground from BOB's gross negligence and subsequent hostile takeover by this Patriots charlatan.
Watson's rightfully pissed off.
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no HC is a can’t miss, but Bienemy has the resume to get one of these jobs in a sport severely lacking Black HCs. Watson has every rite to want him over anyone else they are interviewing. All of these hot coordinators have huge talent to get on the radar.
Today's athletes gossiping "Did you know you can get your own coach?".
In this sport,where it helps to have a quarterback who can lead and make good decisions,we'll see how long this toxic mentality lasts.
100% this. Blaming Watson for being mad that ownership is going back on their promises is ridiculous.
He probably wouldn't have cared about these decisions as much if the team hadn't been completely mismanaged under O'Brien.
Watson is the most important person in that organization. I dont know why this is surprising as it is pretty standard practice everywhere else to have different stakeholders involved in the hiring process.
Have you read up on the situation? Watson is hardly being a baby.
Does that make me a cry baby?
The problem is that NFL teams are worth more, more expensive to run, have more players, etc.
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week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Watson is the most important person in that organization. I dont know why this is surprising as it is pretty standard practice everywhere else to have different stakeholders involved in the hiring process.
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
Have you read up on the situation? Watson is hardly being a baby.
The guy is a dupe. Not worth your time
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I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
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week has been really strange in Houston. Why does Watson feel that he is owed having a say in coaching hires?? Even Hopkins said yesterday that Watson needs to be involved. But why?
Watson is the most important person in that organization. I dont know why this is surprising as it is pretty standard practice everywhere else to have different stakeholders involved in the hiring process.
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
This isn’t a stance I’m taking, more about sonething I seem to recall. Wasn’t Peyton in on one of the coaching hires?
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In comment 15120919 FatMan in Charlotte said:
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
That is not how it goes in almost every other industry. What are you talking about? Most people do not get to select the superiors to hire that they will be reporting to.
The dynamic needs to be correct to have more than just a couple of runs. LA had a run with Goff but has otherwise been underwhelming. Philadelphia won with Foles, and now the SB winning HC and QB are gone.
Bill and Tom set the standard for that dynamic. Reid and Mahomes look like they're heading that way (and how good does Reid look now compared to his tenure in PHI?)
It's likely that franchise QBs are going to continue to trend towards being practically player-coaches and that their relationship with the HC is going to be more of a partner than commander/soldier. Especially as their guaranteed $$$ gets higher
i can see why owners would not want to hire him. if he didnt have an huge and gigantic rap sheet people would hire him like they did doug pederson and matt nagy. but this guy has a lot of off feild troubling issues even an assault case against a women.
the calling plays aspect is not an issue (although pederson and nagy called some plays in KC).
Joe Judge all he needed was 1 interview and was a massive success and got hired.
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In comment 15120919 FatMan in Charlotte said:
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
That is not how it goes in almost every other industry. What are you talking about? Most people do not get to select the superiors to hire that they will be reporting to.
I didnt say "select" I said be a part of the interview committee.
And I am not talking about random employees, I am talking about the most integral long term keystones of an organization which Watson clearly is.
If he doesnt have good answers for his long rap sheet including assault and DUI no wonder he doesnt "interview well".
Watson pushing to hire this guy is a disaster.
If he doesnt have good answers for his long rap sheet including assault and DUI no wonder he doesnt "interview well".
Watson pushing to hire this guy is a disaster.
Not only that but the critics aren’t even in the interviews to know if Bienemy even has a good plan to build a program. They see successful offense and immediately think that’s the only job qualification.
If he doesnt have good answers for his long rap sheet including assault and DUI no wonder he doesnt "interview well".
Watson pushing to hire this guy is a disaster.
Jesus, looking him up he has a bunch of incidents. Yeah, I think it is pretty clear why teams are staying clear of him in today's climate.
Does that make me a cry baby?
I'd would even say this is unusual. I'm in on a lot of interviews for my company. But it is for peers and of course for direct reports.
I've never been on the interview committee or in the process for hiring my direct superior. And that spans several companies.
There's some significant issues.
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In comment 15120919 FatMan in Charlotte said:
I get why Watson is frustrated. I also think he's trying to orchestrate a trade to get out of that mess. But demanding to be involved in selecting a coach or any other personnel move shouldn't be coming from players.
It is not standard practice to have the QB with significant say in the coaching hires. It likely isn't even standard practice for the QB to give his approval on the hire.
I agree that it isn't standard practice to have a player in on the hiring process but from Watson's perspective, why shouldn't it be? That is how it goes in almost every other industry.
Its not like he is a random guy on a 1 year deal. The guy is top 5 in the world at his occupation and is signed a long term contract.
To me, chastising him (not you, but others) for wanting to be involved is treating him like a child.
That is not how it goes in almost every other industry. What are you talking about? Most people do not get to select the superiors to hire that they will be reporting to.
Exactly