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NFT: Mets Chat: Happy Kluber (workout) Day!

DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 10:21 am
-Kluber works out for teams today. It's believed the Red Sox and Yankees are the favorites.

-Per The Athletic, the Mets offered Porter the GM job 1 week after speaking to him once.


-Mets have hired ex-big leaguer Carter Capps as a minor league pitching coach. Extremely intelligent guy. Nice hire.

-A brief summary of what Sandy said yesterday to Jon Heyman

-Sandy has met Steve Cohen... ONCE

-The Mets initial talks with the Indians were general talks about who may or may not be available. To his recollection, Lindor and Carrasco were not discussed at all. The Mets learned Lindor may be available via reports in the media. They discussed trades involving Carrasco/Lindor and then both.

-Dom isn't being traded, Sandy does not see Dom as an OF but Dom will see time in the OF is the universal DH is not here

- Sandy believes the Mets have 2 starting caliber OF's and believes they need to add up to 3 additional OF's including one more starter.

-Thinks the lineup is already overly LH (would imply JBJ isn't on the radar).

-The Mets did have talks with Realmuto but he wanted to wait

- The Mets are still "loosely" (his words) engaged with Springer.

-The luxury tax is a consideration but in the right situation, they would be willing to go over. There is not an unlimited budget

-Sandy "One of the things we want to be able to do is sustain excellence. Which we weren't able to do before. I think part of that was my fault, but part of that was a lack of infrastructure" (made sure to note it's not only about wealth of the owner)

- Said going forward the focus will be the bench, and they will build off of that and see where that takes them.

-Lugo likely in the pen but that's not set in stone. They would like to have his role set by the beginning of ST

-Sounded sky high on Dom and Lugo, pretty "meh" on Davis but said "right now" he's our 3b and we are okay with that"

-Thor "right now I expect him back in the June time-frame, that could move up, that could move back, that was the last projection that I saw..."
I wasn't around the message board  
Everyone Relax : 1/13/2021 10:28 am : link
when Porter was hired, but since you're more educated on the Mets than most what was your opinion of him? Obviously he's looking pretty good so far with the Lindor/Carrasco move.
RE: I wasn't around the message board  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 10:30 am : link
In comment 15121026 Everyone Relax said:
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when Porter was hired, but since you're more educated on the Mets than most what was your opinion of him? Obviously he's looking pretty good so far with the Lindor/Carrasco move.


Porter is/was considered a home run. His name has floated around as a potential big gm "prospect" for years now.
Carter Capps  
KDavies : 1/13/2021 10:31 am : link
that guy flamed out due to injuries. Showed some real promise.

Excited about Dom. Wait for the DH for him to move to 1B and Alonso. Don't trade him. Was arguably their best hitter last year and he is just getting going. He has been a revelation.
RE: Carter Capps  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 10:35 am : link
In comment 15121033 KDavies said:
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that guy flamed out due to injuries. Showed some real promise.

Excited about Dom. Wait for the DH for him to move to 1B and Alonso. Don't trade him. Was arguably their best hitter last year and he is just getting going. He has been a revelation.


It's always GM talk but Sandy sounded sky high on Dom and flat out said he won't be traded. I actually appreciated in the same breath Sandy saying Dom isn't an OF. It said to me they really do recognize the value of Dom Smith while also noting his defense isn't good enough to be an OF. The "old" regime would have forced the issue.
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DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 10:36 am : link
Peter Gammons
@pgammo
Mets fans should be most enthusiastic about the née two trains running: not only immediate player help, but the long term Sandy Alderson/Jared Porter/Zach Scott rebuilding an 18th century research and development program
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KDavies : 1/13/2021 10:42 am : link
In comment 15121043 DanMetroMan said:
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that guy flamed out due to injuries. Showed some real promise.

Excited about Dom. Wait for the DH for him to move to 1B and Alonso. Don't trade him. Was arguably their best hitter last year and he is just getting going. He has been a revelation.



It's always GM talk but Sandy sounded sky high on Dom and flat out said he won't be traded. I actually appreciated in the same breath Sandy saying Dom isn't an OF. It said to me they really do recognize the value of Dom Smith while also noting his defense isn't good enough to be an OF. The "old" regime would have forced the issue.


I expect they will still play Dom in the OF if no DH this year.
Sandy  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 10:43 am : link
flat out said as much. He said the roster is going to have issue without a DH whether they add a CF (Springer) or not and they will just have to live with them such as Dom seeing time in LF. But I liked him saying Dom isn't an OF vs. pretending he was.
Only meeting Cohen once isn't that strange if Cohen delegated his  
Eric on Li : 1/13/2021 10:43 am : link
board of directors seat and direct responsibilities with the Mets to Andrew Cohen. Those owners meetings would have presumably been the main conduit to access other than random run-ins in the owners box or something. Presumably Andrew Cohen (now the team vice-chair) was in charge of that part of the portfolio which gave him the familiarity with Alderson over the years that led him to putting Alderson on Steve Cohen's radar as he was making arrangements to secure the team. Had this been a non-pandemic year I'd imagine they'd have met several times in person post-sale.
RE: Only meeting Cohen once isn't that strange if Cohen delegated his  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 10:46 am : link
In comment 15121059 Eric on Li said:
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board of directors seat and direct responsibilities with the Mets to Andrew Cohen. Those owners meetings would have presumably been the main conduit to access other than random run-ins in the owners box or something. Presumably Andrew Cohen (now the team vice-chair) was in charge of that part of the portfolio which gave him the familiarity with Alderson over the years that led him to putting Alderson on Steve Cohen's radar as he was making arrangements to secure the team. Had this been a non-pandemic year I'd imagine they'd have met several times in person post-sale.


Eric... it's was obvious because of the pandemic. Nobody was suggesting otherwise. Still interesting Sandy didn't meet him a single time during his previous time as GM and only once since he's been hired. It wasn't a critique.
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DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 10:49 am : link
Starting 9
@Starting9
Spring Training tickets can be sold in small groups of pods, seated 6 feet from one another, but team workouts will remain closed to the public
Brad  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 10:53 am : link
Hand currently looking for 3 years, no chance the Mets do that so he'll have to lower his ask considerably.

- Rival executives would be “shocked” if Boston Red Sox outfielder Andrew Benintendi wasn’t traded this week, per Mark Feinsand.
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Named Later : 1/13/2021 10:54 am : link
I noticed that MLB Network's '10 Best Catchers' List found room for McCann at #10 last night. Here's hoping he lives up to that lofty billing.
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 10:55 am : link
were never "that" engaged with Odorizzi when it became clear he was unwilling to take a 1-year deal.
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DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 10:56 am : link
In comment 15121078 Named Later said:
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I noticed that MLB Network's '10 Best Catchers' List found room for McCann at #10 last night. Here's hoping he lives up to that lofty billing.


I liked the McCann signing but their lists have been in a word... bizarre.
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Section331 : 1/13/2021 10:57 am : link
In comment 15121045 DanMetroMan said:
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Peter Gammons
@pgammo
Mets fans should be most enthusiastic about the née two trains running: not only immediate player help, but the long term Sandy Alderson/Jared Porter/Zach Scott rebuilding an 18th century research and development program


This is the key. As Shecky has noted so many times, the Mets desperately need to rebuild the minor league system, and with so many MILB players becoming FA's, now is the time to find some under the radar guys.

As Sandy said, it isn't necessarily about having an owner with money, but it definitely is about no longer having owners without enough.
With  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 10:58 am : link
a very thin (and very young system) and a weak (on paper IFA class) the next 12 months should be pretty huge in beginning to backfill the farm. Through very young guys performing this year, the draft and 2022 IFA's.
Very  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 11:03 am : link
curious to hear how Kluber looks. As I said it's believed Boston (Geography) and Yankees (staff) are the favorites but who knows?
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Shecky : 1/13/2021 11:23 am : link
In comment 15121071 DanMetroMan said:
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Starting 9
@Starting9
Spring Training tickets can be sold in small groups of pods, seated 6 feet from one another, but team workouts will remain closed to the public


Hate to burst the bubble, but there is a 'non zero' number of teams not currently selling spring training tickets at this time... And were supposed to. Could change any second, but take it for what it's worth.
Assuming  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 11:26 am : link
there are fans in the stands at some point this season I'm pretty excited my GF's family is moving from Maryland to Lakeland Florida. I should be able to see at least one St. Lucie Mets game which will be a first for me.
RE: Assuming  
Named Later : 1/13/2021 11:35 am : link
In comment 15121117 DanMetroMan said:
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there are fans in the stands at some point this season I'm pretty excited my GF's family is moving from Maryland to Lakeland Florida. I should be able to see at least one St. Lucie Mets game which will be a first for me.


From Lakeland, you could swing a dead cat and hit several Spring Training sites....HA.

We will expect full ST Reports once you get down there !!
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DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15121128 Named Later said:
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there are fans in the stands at some point this season I'm pretty excited my GF's family is moving from Maryland to Lakeland Florida. I should be able to see at least one St. Lucie Mets game which will be a first for me.



From Lakeland, you could swing a dead cat and hit several Spring Training sites....HA.

We will expect full ST Reports once you get down there !!


They bought a beautiful house with a screening room and a pool and all I could talk about was going to minor league baseball games lol
Passan  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 11:53 am : link
Nearly 25 teams showed up at Corey Kluber's showcase today, and scouts came away impressed. His fastball sat 88-90 -- and he's got more velocity in the tank as he builds toward spring training. Kluber threw 30 pitches, including all of his off-speed stuff. Strong market expected.
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KDavies : 1/13/2021 11:54 am : link
In comment 15121117 DanMetroMan said:
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there are fans in the stands at some point this season I'm pretty excited my GF's family is moving from Maryland to Lakeland Florida. I should be able to see at least one St. Lucie Mets game which will be a first for me.


I live about an hour south of St. Lucie. Try to go to at least one spring training game up there a year. With three kids, it's often difficult. Will end up going to WPB stadium more often to see them play the Astros or Nationals.

A friend of a colleague of mine works at St Lucie ballpark. They just redid the stadium. Said it was excellent.
Brock  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 1:58 pm : link
Hugh Quattlebaum, who had been the Mariners minor league hitting coordinator, has taken a director of hitting role with the Mets.
Quattlebaum helped out the big league team last summer when hitting coach Tim Laker worked remotely.
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 2:48 pm : link
Jose Quintana 2013-2019.... 0 starts missed. 224 starts averaging 193 innings per season.
Sherman  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 3:51 pm : link
suggests Familia and Betances for Cain. That's a yes from me if Springer doesn't happen. Still a + CF, a RH bat, and reportedly a very good dude
RE: Sherman  
Eric on Li : 1/13/2021 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15121455 DanMetroMan said:
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suggests Familia and Betances for Cain. That's a yes from me if Springer doesn't happen. Still a + CF, a RH bat, and reportedly a very good dude


I'd be all over that. I'd probably do Betances for Cain straight up if they kick in a prospect. That's only +5.5m against the LTT.

I'd love to get Springer but I think I'd be almost as happy with Cain. He will probably be a better defender than Springer the next 2 years even if he has a little regression and his 2 years $33m is very reasonable.
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DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 4:05 pm : link
Lorenzo Cain 2018+2019- +35 OAA in CF (best in baseball), +40 DRS in CF, again the best in baseball
RE: RE: Sherman  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15121458 Eric on Li said:
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suggests Familia and Betances for Cain. That's a yes from me if Springer doesn't happen. Still a + CF, a RH bat, and reportedly a very good dude



I'd be all over that. I'd probably do Betances for Cain straight up if they kick in a prospect. That's only +5.5m against the LTT.

I'd love to get Springer but I think I'd be almost as happy with Cain. He will probably be a better defender than Springer the next 2 years even if he has a little regression and his 2 years $33m is very reasonable.



Betances for Cain is +10. Cain is owed 16, Betances guaranteed 6. The Mets would be 16-18 million under the lux tax
Houston  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 4:10 pm : link
was the runner-up for Hendriks so presumably, they will be in on the other "big" RP's
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Eric on Li : 1/13/2021 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15121469 DanMetroMan said:
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Lorenzo Cain 2018+2019- +35 OAA in CF (best in baseball), +40 DRS in CF, again the best in baseball


Will be almost 2 full years older at 35 than his last full season, but even factoring in a little dropoff he should still be among the best CF'ers in MLB. Put another way, he could save 10 fewer runs by DRS than his last season in CF this upcoming season and it would still be better than Springer's best defensive season in CF. His 2019 sprint speed was actually lower than Springer's the past 2 years so it appears even if he was slowing down a little bit he was still going and getting it.
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DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 4:16 pm : link
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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Free agent Albert Almora is among the center field options that Mets have looked at.

He's been awful with the bat since 2017 (and never a particularly good offensive player). Minor league deal? 5th OF? Sure. Starter? Yuck. Almora is post-hype Juan Lagares. He's filler. That's it #Mets
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Eric on Li : 1/13/2021 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15121476 DanMetroMan said:
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suggests Familia and Betances for Cain. That's a yes from me if Springer doesn't happen. Still a + CF, a RH bat, and reportedly a very good dude



I'd be all over that. I'd probably do Betances for Cain straight up if they kick in a prospect. That's only +5.5m against the LTT.

I'd love to get Springer but I think I'd be almost as happy with Cain. He will probably be a better defender than Springer the next 2 years even if he has a little regression and his 2 years $33m is very reasonable.




Betances for Cain is +10. Cain is owed 16, Betances guaranteed 6. The Mets would be 16-18 million under the lux tax


Spotrac has Betances lux tax salary counting 10.5m (presumably becomes of the escalators in his contract?).
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/new-york-mets/payroll/ - ( New Window )
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DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15121480 Eric on Li said:
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Lorenzo Cain 2018+2019- +35 OAA in CF (best in baseball), +40 DRS in CF, again the best in baseball



Will be almost 2 full years older at 35 than his last full season, but even factoring in a little dropoff he should still be among the best CF'ers in MLB. Put another way, he could save 10 fewer runs by DRS than his last season in CF this upcoming season and it would still be better than Springer's best defensive season in CF. His 2019 sprint speed was actually lower than Springer's the past 2 years so it appears even if he was slowing down a little bit he was still going and getting it.


Sprint speed isn't the end all be all anyway. JBJ somehow has shitty sprint speed and is still a + CF.
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Eric on Li : 1/13/2021 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15121492 DanMetroMan said:
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Lorenzo Cain 2018+2019- +35 OAA in CF (best in baseball), +40 DRS in CF, again the best in baseball



Will be almost 2 full years older at 35 than his last full season, but even factoring in a little dropoff he should still be among the best CF'ers in MLB. Put another way, he could save 10 fewer runs by DRS than his last season in CF this upcoming season and it would still be better than Springer's best defensive season in CF. His 2019 sprint speed was actually lower than Springer's the past 2 years so it appears even if he was slowing down a little bit he was still going and getting it.



Sprint speed isn't the end all be all anyway. JBJ somehow has shitty sprint speed and is still a + CF.


Yeah it's less relevant comparing player to player, but comparing the same player to their previous years can somewhat track their own regression.
Almora  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 4:31 pm : link
really sucks. He's truly Lagares (the Lagares we saw after that hot beginning of his career). Nothing appealing about him outside of his glove. 5th OF? Sure
Cain is a good idea for you guys  
bigbluehoya : 1/13/2021 4:59 pm : link
He's like buttered noodles. Nothing sexy or top shelf about it, but really fucking good.

Plays good defense at a premium spot, plus baserunner (even aside from just swiping bags), strong OBP without a lot of Ks.
just throwing things against walls  
Rory : 1/13/2021 5:10 pm : link
but I always loved Kevin Kiermaier. Rays are in sell mode again, Any thoughts?
RE: just throwing things against walls  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15121571 Rory said:
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but I always loved Kevin Kiermaier. Rays are in sell mode again, Any thoughts?


It's been reported the price is very high because of what he brings to the team beyond the numbers. He's also always hurt.. and a lefty. I doubt that's the direction they go.
Talk  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 5:25 pm : link
about a pointless article
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Cain is a good idea for you guys  
Eric on Li : 1/13/2021 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15121555 bigbluehoya said:
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He's like buttered noodles. Nothing sexy or top shelf about it, but really fucking good.

Plays good defense at a premium spot, plus baserunner (even aside from just swiping bags), strong OBP without a lot of Ks.


Yea Porter has used the phrase "I like the way he takes his at bats" numerous times describing multiple players. Nimmo, Conforto, Lindor obviously most recently. Cain fits that description along with the run prevention mantra.

If they can get a prospect out of it since he's also a salary dump it's a win-win. Though I'd still prefer Springer on a reasonable deal if there's a way to make that work.
I  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2021 5:41 pm : link
couldn't find a single positive when it came to Almora outside of his above average glove. Poor hitter, doesn't mash lefties ( a need) doesn't steal bases, and quite frankly has never hit.
interesting article from Martino re: Lindor  
Eric on Li : 1/13/2021 7:12 pm : link
gotta say I will be the first to be disappointed if they don't get him signed and do not expect that to happen, but I also appreciate their approach to not being taken hostage (and being willing to accept the consequences to make the ballsy move). Timing is on their side in the sense that there will be other short stops available next year in FA if things don't go well, though obviously Lindor is the first choice, that's why they traded for him. But good for them at least contemplating the alternative. As Lindor said himself the extension has to work for both sides.
Here’s what the Mets are thinking about a potential Francisco Lindor extension - ( New Window )
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